It's Gone! 2004-2006 NHL Offseason and Lockout Thread - Page 18

Honolulu_Blue · 06-24-2005, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by sovereignstar

I'm not gonna go digging in this long-ass thread! Either way, what a year for such a lottery system. There are gonna be some pissed people in some front offices.

Who would bargain such an agreement?

I think it's the only way to do it really. If I recall correctly, I think it turns out, under the proposed system, that the Rangers and one other team (the Wild? Blue Jackets?) have the best shot at getting #1 overall. If the Rangers get it, there will conspiracy theories (see: Ewing, Patrick) abound!

I can't wait for the whirl-wind. The draft. Free agency. Almost entire teams taking shape. It will be wild.

It will be interesting to see how many Euros bail out on the NHL. Without the big pay days to maintain the incentive, I could see a number of them deciding to return to the mother land and play hockey there, especially the Swedes, who all seem to love Sweden (can't blame 'em) and the Russians, tax free salaries.

As the Chinese proverb goes, may we live in interesting times.

Maple Leafs · 06-24-2005, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by sovereignstar

Who gets the #1 pick then?

http://tsn.ca/columnists/bob_mckenzie.asp?id=128640

sterlingice · 06-24-2005, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

http://tsn.ca/columnists/bob_mckenzie.asp?id=128640

This is such a horrible system, too. Teams that just missed out on the playoffs get the same number as those teams that have outright stunk.

SI

General Mike · 06-27-2005, 05:35 PM

Jeremy Roenick can kiss my ass.

sachmo71 · 06-28-2005, 10:37 AM

Trivia time:

Who was the last player-coach in NHL history?
What team was he on?
What year did he do this?

JeffR · 06-28-2005, 10:55 AM

Doug Harvey, Rangers, early 60's.

sachmo71 · 06-28-2005, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffR

Doug Harvey, Rangers, early 60's.

nosir

Draft Dodger · 06-28-2005, 01:25 PM

does Steve Smith count?

sachmo71 · 06-28-2005, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

does Steve Smith count?

He should, but not by my sources!

klayman · 06-28-2005, 08:50 PM

Boucher with the Rangers in ??? 45, 46? maybe.

sachmo71 · 06-29-2005, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by klayman

Boucher with the Rangers in ??? 45, 46? maybe.

nope

Bea-Arthurs Hip · 06-29-2005, 12:31 PM

Who is Chucky Burns?

Minnessota North Stars?

1970-1971?

sachmo71 · 06-29-2005, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Bea-Arthurs Hip

Who is Chucky Burns?

Minnessota North Stars?

1970-1971?

Close enought!

Charlie Burns, 1969-70, Minnesota.

I would like to see the return of the player coach, myself.

Bea-Arthurs Hip · 06-29-2005, 01:17 PM

So would I..Current day players who would fit the bill?

I could see Mike Keane maybe Scott Mellanby. With the sallary cap
coming this may be a way to differ some dollars. Pay Mike Keane $700k
to coach and $1.5 m to play...I dont know just thought of this.

sachmo71 · 06-29-2005, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Bea-Arthurs Hip

So would I..Current day players who would fit the bill?

I could see Mike Keane maybe Scott Mellanby. With the sallary cap
coming this may be a way to differ some dollars. Pay Mike Keane $700k
to coach and $1.5 m to play...I dont know just thought of this.

Yes, guys like that.

Definately Steve Yzerman, too.

Maple Leafs · 06-29-2005, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Bea-Arthurs Hip

With the sallary cap
coming this may be a way to differ some dollars.

Ladies and gentleman, starting at center (and also assistant goaltending coach at $8M a year), Mats Sundin!

Draft Dodger · 06-29-2005, 07:34 PM

all fine and good, except you ALL know who the next player-coach in the NHL would be, and then ESPN would NEVER shut up about him...

Bea-Arthurs Hip · 06-29-2005, 08:49 PM

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Ladies and gentleman, starting at center (and also assistant goaltending coach at $8M a year), Mats Sundin!

Good one. Your right I could see those silly Leafs appointing Sundin
as goaltending coach. That would be right up there with all the other
top notch moves...That was your joke right?

TazFTW · 06-29-2005, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

all fine and good, except you ALL know who the next player-coach in the NHL would be, and then ESPN would NEVER shut up about him...

Roenick?

Or all you talking about Gretzky becoming the coach of the Coyotes.

Draft Dodger · 06-29-2005, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TazFTW

Roenick?

Or all you talking about Gretzky becoming the coach of the Coyotes.

Super Mario

General Mike · 07-07-2005, 08:36 AM

http://msn.foxsports.com/nhl/story/3743720

Interesting.

Chubby · 07-07-2005, 10:48 AM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=2102235

CraigSca · 07-07-2005, 10:51 AM

I didn't check the links, but the LA Times is reporting there's an agreement.

sterlingice · 07-07-2005, 12:05 PM

Please be true

And on this day, of all days. So, I wake up in the morning with two alarm clocks. One is a radio set to sports talk and another is the traditional buzzer. I tend to drift in and out while hitting snooze on the buzzer and I'll have dreams related to what I'm hearing on the radio. Apparently they were talking about the Olympics this morning and I had a dream that I was at the Winter Olympics, buying tickets and I said something to the effect of "I don't care about anything else, I just want to see some hockey" and just felt this elation that there was actually hockey to be watched.

SI

Draft Dodger · 07-07-2005, 01:05 PM

players = pwned

Maple Leafs · 07-07-2005, 03:06 PM

Scott Walker says there's a decent chance that the players would vote the agreement down.

I think Scott Walker needs a good stiff drink of the Wake Up juice. This may not be a good deal, and it's clearly worse than they could have had in March, but there's no way it gets better any time in the future.

JeffR · 07-07-2005, 03:32 PM

Walker also said if it is accepted, a lot of players will leave for Europe. Someone's a little bitter, I think.

Coder · 07-07-2005, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffR

Walker also said if it is accepted, a lot of players will leave for Europe. Someone's a little bitter, I think.

Do they HONESTLY think they'll earn MORE money in Europe? The Sedins have signed a new contract with MoDo where they have an option to leave for the NHL if things get rolling. They will be paid in accordance with the highest paid players in the league... in round figures.. around $200,000 a year.. that's what? $50,000 more than the previous minimum salary in the NHL.. whopee..

ice4277 · 07-07-2005, 04:13 PM

I think in the last couple of seasons in the Russian league some NHLers (and ex-NHLers) were getting paid more, or at least roughly equivalent to, what they would have been making in the NHL the last couple years.

Blade · 07-07-2005, 04:14 PM

You know there will be a period of time where players who feel the new deal isn't fair will take off and look to play elsewhere. In time, they will realize that the NHL is still their best option, and they will be back.

klayman · 07-07-2005, 05:27 PM

Bah! Who cares.

/jaded

sachmo71 · 07-07-2005, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Scott Walker says there's a decent chance that the players would vote the agreement down.

I think Scott Walker needs a good stiff drink of the Wake Up juice. This may not be a good deal, and it's clearly worse than they could have had in March, but there's no way it gets better any time in the future.

So they're going to stand up to the owners NOW? Jeebsus!

Honolulu_Blue · 07-08-2005, 12:10 AM

Sounds like Mike Babcock is going to be the new head coach for the Wings. I like the switch. Dave Lewis really never did anything for me. He was kept around after Bowman left to keep some continuity going. To maintain the status quo. If/When the new CBA is signed the Wings will be so far from the status quo that a change will be fine.

ice4277 · 07-08-2005, 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Sounds like Mike Babcock is going to be the new head coach for the Wings. I like the switch. Dave Lewis really never did anything for me. He was kept around after Bowman left to keep some continuity going. To maintain the status quo. If/When the new CBA is signed the Wings will be so far from the status quo that a change will be fine.

Agreed. Long-term, the cap situation could end up being the best things for the Wings. I think they were going nowhere trying to put bandages over a leaking, creaking ship for the last couple seasons. Its time to get rid of the deadwood (Hatcher, Whitney, Chelios, maybe even Shanahan) and let the kids play.

rexallllsc · 07-08-2005, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Sounds like Mike Babcock is going to be the new head coach for the Wings. I like the switch. Dave Lewis really never did anything for me. He was kept around after Bowman left to keep some continuity going. To maintain the status quo. If/When the new CBA is signed the Wings will be so far from the status quo that a change will be fine.

That really backfired on the idiot Ducks. Babcock is a good coach.

RPI-Fan · 07-09-2005, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Sounds like Mike Babcock is going to be the new head coach for the Wings. I like the switch. Dave Lewis really never did anything for me. He was kept around after Bowman left to keep some continuity going. To maintain the status quo. If/When the new CBA is signed the Wings will be so far from the status quo that a change will be fine.

Gotta' be heartbreaking to lose that porn-stache though.

Honolulu_Blue · 07-09-2005, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RPI-Fan

Gotta' be heartbreaking to lose that porn-stache though.

It will be missed. It's been behind the Wings bench since '87.

RPI-Fan · 07-10-2005, 09:24 PM

Know this is broken record, but just as we enter the next work week it looks like this is as close as we've been to a deal since February.

tsn.ca posted an update at 9:30pm Sunday night saying they were still going, trying to get a deal done tonight, which was encouraging (even if they don't finish, the fact that tsn.ca is optimistic about this week has me feeling the same way). Bettman is meeting with the exec. committee tomorrow regardless of tonight's meetings, but boy would it be nice if they got the voting process underway sooner rather than later.

Still, though, I'll believe it when I see it.

~rpi-fan

Honolulu_Blue · 07-10-2005, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RPI-Fan

Know this is broken record, but just as we enter the next work week it looks like this is as close as we've been to a deal since February.

tsn.ca posted an update at 9:30pm Sunday night saying they were still going, trying to get a deal done tonight, which was encouraging (even if they don't finish, the fact that tsn.ca is optimistic about this week has me feeling the same way). Bettman is meeting with the exec. committee tomorrow regardless of tonight's meetings, but boy would it be nice if they got the voting process underway sooner rather than later.

Still, though, I'll believe it when I see it.

~rpi-fan

I believe a deal will be finalized in the next few days and announced on Wednesday.

Karim · 07-11-2005, 02:24 PM

And then it has to be ratified. I'm not getting excited until I hear a time and place for the press conference.

Blade · 07-12-2005, 09:41 AM

Some details filtering out about the deal:

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TSN has learned of several other key elements of the new agreement:

$850,000 is going to be the cap for entry-level players, but there are some bonuses that these young players can make. So a player like Sidney Crosby could make upwards of $4.5 million if he reaches some lofty bonuses, like being a top-10 scorer in the league.
Free agency will also become more liberal under the new CBA. Unrestricted free agency will still be 31-years-old in 2005, but the number drops considerably from there - 29 in 2006, 28 in 2007 and 27 in 2008 through 2010. This is important because at 27 players still have a lot of their career left.
There is all sorts of talk that players will have to renegotiate their contracts to get underneath the salary cap...that is not going to be allowed. Players are not going to be allowed to renegotiate their contracts. They are stuck with the deal unless they are bought out.
Another positive for the players is a significantly improved pension for both existing players in the NHL and for those retired players who are over the age of 70.

http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=130180

Honolulu_Blue · 07-13-2005, 09:16 AM

TSN is reporting that the deal will be finalized today. It will then have to be ratified by the owners and the players.

The end is nigh.

Once this thing is wrapped up it will be a fascinating few months until the begining of the season. I can't wait. The 2005 draft, free agency, fitting payrolls under the cap. It will be great. I should be bitter. I should be angry. But I've been bitter and angry about this whole thing too long. That time has passed.

Game on!

bob · 07-13-2005, 09:22 AM

The rumor I heard on the radio is that the NHL has purchased a full page ad for tomorrow's USA Today....

Blade · 07-13-2005, 09:26 AM

This is looking good! I agree with you HB...I should feel jaded and angry, but I am just looking forward to life in the new NHL...

Ksyrup · 07-13-2005, 09:29 AM

Screw it, just bring the game back. No reason to be pissed. Sports is business. If they've hurt themselves, they'll just have to adjust.

ice4277 · 07-13-2005, 09:52 AM

I think the NHL, long-term, will be better off. Adjustments that needed to be made were put off. I think now, one way or another, the league and the players will realize what needs to be done to bring the game back.

Chubby · 07-13-2005, 09:54 AM

ugggggggh, until I see an announcement I won't believe it.

but once I do I'll be in line buying Sabres tickets

bob · 07-13-2005, 11:33 AM

I just hope the Thrashers do the same thing the Hawks have done (same ownership group).... $200 for season tickets. And they are not the worst seats either....

TurnerONU22 · 07-13-2005, 11:45 AM

AGREEMENT IN PRINCIPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.nhl.com

sterlingice · 07-13-2005, 11:52 AM

Woo! Finally!

SI

06-28-2005, 01:25 PM	#858
Draft Dodger Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Keene, NH	does Steve Smith count? __________________ Mile High Hockey

06-29-2005, 12:31 PM	#862
Bea-Arthurs Hip H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The D	Who is Chucky Burns? Minnessota North Stars? 1970-1971? Last edited by Bea-Arthurs Hip : 06-29-2005 at 12:35 PM.

06-29-2005, 07:34 PM	#867
Draft Dodger Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Keene, NH	all fine and good, except you ALL know who the next player-coach in the NHL would be, and then ESPN would NEVER shut up about him... __________________ Mile High Hockey

07-07-2005, 10:51 AM	#873
CraigSca Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Not Delaware - hurray!	I didn't check the links, but the LA Times is reporting there's an agreement. __________________ She loves you, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah! She loves you, yeah! how do you know? how do you know?

07-07-2005, 12:05 PM	#874
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Please be true And on this day, of all days. So, I wake up in the morning with two alarm clocks. One is a radio set to sports talk and another is the traditional buzzer. I tend to drift in and out while hitting snooze on the buzzer and I'll have dreams related to what I'm hearing on the radio. Apparently they were talking about the Olympics this morning and I had a dream that I was at the Winter Olympics, buying tickets and I said something to the effect of "I don't care about anything else, I just want to see some hockey" and just felt this elation that there was actually hockey to be watched. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

06-27-2005, 05:35 PM	#854
General Mike Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The State of Rutgers	Jeremy Roenick can kiss my ass.

06-28-2005, 10:37 AM	#855
sachmo71 The boy who cried Trout Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: TX	Trivia time: Who was the last player-coach in NHL history? What team was he on? What year did he do this?

06-28-2005, 10:55 AM	#856
JeffR High School JV Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Kelowna, BC, Canada	Doug Harvey, Rangers, early 60's.

06-28-2005, 08:50 PM	#860
klayman College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Edmonton	Boucher with the Rangers in ??? 45, 46? maybe.

06-29-2005, 01:17 PM	#864
Bea-Arthurs Hip H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The D	So would I..Current day players who would fit the bill? I could see Mike Keane maybe Scott Mellanby. With the sallary cap coming this may be a way to differ some dollars. Pay Mike Keane $700k to coach and $1.5 m to play...I dont know just thought of this.

07-07-2005, 08:36 AM	#871
General Mike Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The State of Rutgers	http://msn.foxsports.com/nhl/story/3743720 Interesting.

07-07-2005, 10:48 AM	#872
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=2102235

07-07-2005, 01:05 PM	#875
Draft Dodger Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Keene, NH	players = pwned __________________ Mile High Hockey

07-07-2005, 03:06 PM	#876
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	Scott Walker says there's a decent chance that the players would vote the agreement down. I think Scott Walker needs a good stiff drink of the Wake Up juice. This may not be a good deal, and it's clearly worse than they could have had in March, but there's no way it gets better any time in the future. __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

07-07-2005, 03:32 PM	#877
JeffR High School JV Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Kelowna, BC, Canada	Walker also said if it is accepted, a lot of players will leave for Europe. Someone's a little bitter, I think.

07-07-2005, 04:13 PM	#879
ice4277 Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Berkley, MI: The Hotbed of FOFC!	I think in the last couple of seasons in the Russian league some NHLers (and ex-NHLers) were getting paid more, or at least roughly equivalent to, what they would have been making in the NHL the last couple years.

07-07-2005, 04:14 PM	#880
Blade College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Edmonton, Alberta	You know there will be a period of time where players who feel the new deal isn't fair will take off and look to play elsewhere. In time, they will realize that the NHL is still their best option, and they will be back. __________________ Just trying to get by unnoticed... Loyal fan of the Edmonton Oilers and Philadelphia Eagles.

07-07-2005, 05:27 PM	#881
klayman College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Edmonton	Bah! Who cares. /jaded

07-08-2005, 12:10 AM	#883
Honolulu_Blue Hockey Boy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Royal Oak, MI	Sounds like Mike Babcock is going to be the new head coach for the Wings. I like the switch. Dave Lewis really never did anything for me. He was kept around after Bowman left to keep some continuity going. To maintain the status quo. If/When the new CBA is signed the Wings will be so far from the status quo that a change will be fine. __________________ *Steve Yzerman*: 1,755 points in 1,514 regular season games. 185 points in 196 postseason games. A First-Team All-Star, Conn Smythe Trophy winner, Selke Trophy winner, Masterton Trophy winner, member of the Hockey Hall of Fame, Olympic gold medallist, and a three-time Stanley Cup Champion. Longest serving captain of one team in the history of the NHL (19 seasons).

07-10-2005, 09:24 PM	#888
RPI-Fan Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Troy, NY	Know this is broken record, but just as we enter the next work week it looks like this is as close as we've been to a deal since February. tsn.ca posted an update at 9:30pm Sunday night saying they were still going, trying to get a deal done tonight, which was encouraging (even if they don't finish, the fact that tsn.ca is optimistic about this week has me feeling the same way). Bettman is meeting with the exec. committee tomorrow regardless of tonight's meetings, but boy would it be nice if they got the voting process underway sooner rather than later. Still, though, I'll believe it when I see it. ~rpi-fan __________________ Quis custodiets ipsos custodes?

07-11-2005, 02:24 PM	#890
Karim College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Calgary	And then it has to be ratified. I'm not getting excited until I hear a time and place for the press conference.

07-13-2005, 09:16 AM	#892
Honolulu_Blue Hockey Boy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Royal Oak, MI	TSN is reporting that the deal will be finalized today. It will then have to be ratified by the owners and the players. The end is nigh. Once this thing is wrapped up it will be a fascinating few months until the begining of the season. I can't wait. The 2005 draft, free agency, fitting payrolls under the cap. It will be great. I should be bitter. I should be angry. But I've been bitter and angry about this whole thing too long. That time has passed. Game on! __________________ *Steve Yzerman*: 1,755 points in 1,514 regular season games. 185 points in 196 postseason games. A First-Team All-Star, Conn Smythe Trophy winner, Selke Trophy winner, Masterton Trophy winner, member of the Hockey Hall of Fame, Olympic gold medallist, and a three-time Stanley Cup Champion. Longest serving captain of one team in the history of the NHL (19 seasons).

07-13-2005, 09:22 AM	#893
bob College Starter Join Date: Oct 2004	The rumor I heard on the radio is that the NHL has purchased a full page ad for tomorrow's USA Today....

07-13-2005, 09:26 AM	#894
Blade College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Edmonton, Alberta	This is looking good! I agree with you HB...I should feel jaded and angry, but I am just looking forward to life in the new NHL... __________________ Just trying to get by unnoticed... Loyal fan of the Edmonton Oilers and Philadelphia Eagles.

07-13-2005, 09:29 AM	#895
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Screw it, just bring the game back. No reason to be pissed. Sports is business. If they've hurt themselves, they'll just have to adjust. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

07-13-2005, 09:52 AM	#896
ice4277 Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Berkley, MI: The Hotbed of FOFC!	I think the NHL, long-term, will be better off. Adjustments that needed to be made were put off. I think now, one way or another, the league and the players will realize what needs to be done to bring the game back.

07-13-2005, 09:54 AM	#897
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	ugggggggh, until I see an announcement I won't believe it. but once I do I'll be in line buying Sabres tickets

07-13-2005, 11:33 AM	#898
bob College Starter Join Date: Oct 2004	I just hope the Thrashers do the same thing the Hawks have done (same ownership group).... $200 for season tickets. And they are not the worst seats either....

07-13-2005, 11:45 AM	#899
TurnerONU22 High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ashville, OH	AGREEMENT IN PRINCIPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.nhl.com

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sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Woo! Finally! SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

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