Werewolf LXXII: Chess (Checkmate!)

[path12]

Originally Posted by mccollins

Path, can you explain #4?

I don't have much wolfy to go on so I'm going to vote based on suspicions and colors

#4 is just an assumption, and I'll ask Pass to see if we can clear it up. I'm just thinking that a wolf can either make a kill or move in a night, but not both.

[st.cronin]

Geez, now a run on Lathum.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Geez, now a run on Lathum.

I KNOW, now I want to unvote again!!!!

I may be out, looks like I'm going to have to mediate a meeting between two of my colleagues who are having problems (love when teachers are less mature than the kids). My vote stays for now.

[path12]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Path, 1) actually makes me think Lathum is less likely to be a wolf. I assume the wolves have been building their own board, and are able to name several players locations.

Possible I guess. But why wouldn't you have moved as a pawn last turn?

[path12]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Geez, now a run on Lathum.

I'd like to think that my vote was based more on logic than pile-on.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Geez, now a run on Lathum.

Yeha, that's a bit worrisome.

Anyone have an updated count?

[oliegirl]

VOTE ST. CRONIN

Seems to be a lot of suspicion around him, and his wrong evaluation on Jackal earlier seemed odd, like he threw it out there and expected Jackal to not defend himself or something, I don't know, just didn't seem right to me...

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by path12

I'd like to think that my vote was based more on logic than pile-on.

Yours at least made sense to me path. It's the ones by NTN, PB and NC that basically just said they agreed worry me more.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by path12

Possible I guess. But why wouldn't you have moved as a pawn last turn?

If he's a pawn, he may still have moved, and is just not able to see anybody. Or, the pieces he can see, he can't identify as particular players. That would likely be the case for anybody on the black side, since only one piece has been matched to a player. Your analysis actually has changed my mind on Lathum:

UNVOTE LATHUM

[st.cronin]

VOTE NTNDEACON

[Qwikshot]

vote no lynch

I'm leaving work shortly and will be out of communication for about an hour commute. I'm still working on whom to accuse, though I'm leaning towards Lathum, I don't know if I'll be home in time of the deadline, and I'd hate to be voting for someone who then does a reveal that makes it evident that he's (or she's) not a wolf....which is why I've been doing the no lynch thing...

[KWhit]

Anyone have a vote count?

[jeheinz72]

Good gravy.

Is today National Act Blatantly Like a Wolf Day and I just had no idea or what? My goodness.

[path12]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

If he's a pawn, he may still have moved, and is just not able to see anybody. Or, the pieces he can see, he can't identify as particular players. That would likely be the case for anybody on the black side, since only one piece has been matched to a player. Your analysis actually has changed my mind on Lathum:

UNVOTE LATHUM

I don't see any way he could have moved as a pawn where he wouldn't have at least one pawn within one space of him, particularly considering the positions of the two black pawns I'm aware of.

But I'm not trying to insinuate that my theory is absolutely right. It's just the best one I can come up with a reason for given the information I have and what has been posted in thread at this time.

[st.cronin]

Also, I don't think its clear at all that Lathum is a pawn, or even black, based on MY board knowledge. There are other possibilities.

[path12]

Dola, looking at my map I can only see one, maybe two possible spaces where I think he could have moved as a pawn and not have another piece within one space of him. But that assumes some weird movement (or non-movement) from some other pieces.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by path12

VOTE LATHUM

He is either a black pawn or a wolf. Here is my reasoning.

1) Lathum did not know how anyone would know where other pieces would be on the board.

2) The only way I can see in the rules that this would be the case would be if he was a pawn that did not move last turn.

3) I believe for various reasons that all white pawns moved last turn.

4) I am assuming that a wolf who makes a kill cannot also move on the board.

That either makes Lathum a black pawn who did not move, in which case my question is why on earth not? Or a wolf who made a kill last night, did not get to move, and therefore did not realize that PM's went out giving positions of pieces around one.

Airtight? Nope. Enough for a day 2 vote? Yep.

actualy it makes me someone who has no idea whats going on.

[Narcizo]

Bah! Trumped again. Well my argument were

Originally Posted by oliegirl

Looks like this is the current vote count, I really think voting Hoops off at this point is a bad idea. Yes, he is a great wolf - but he is also a great villager, and the fact that he voiced his opinion against a No Lynch is a pretty bad reason to vote him off. No where I can move my vote to help Hoops so for now it's going to stay where it is.

Originally Posted by oliegirl

Believe in this even more now since Hoops reveal...we must have been typing at the same time. Definitely think we need to do things today:

1. Keep Hoops around at least one more night
2. Make sure a knight scans him and gives their results, we have enough bg's/rooks in this game that anyone who needs to be protected can be.

Originally Posted by oliegirl

Jackal, why did you wait so long to reveal? Why did you wait until after Hoops revealed?

Originally Posted by oliegirl

I doubt that wolves are paired with wolves, that just seems that it would put the wolves at a disadvantage (which I'm all for), but I don't see Pass working that sort of dynamic into the game.

Originally Posted by oliegirl

OK guys, I'm here...crazy day at work so far...

I agree that the chances that Hoops partner is also a wolf are slim, and also am thinking that one of the white rooks is likely a wolf.

As for votes, I'm leaning away from NC at this point, I have a reason to think he's good - but can't elaborate at this point b/c it would involve revealing my role and I am not ready to do that. I'm going to do a little digging and might be able to give some more information shortly...

Oliegirl was coming out very strongly in favour of Hoops yesterday - not just these posts but in her votes as well.

My assumption has been that she's the black rook and that's why she was defending hoops so hard. However the last statement has really made me question that. There's absolutely no way the rook role would provide any information to lead you to belíeve that someone is good. It's a simple protecting piece. So what could possibly give her a good vibe about Neon? And the way she keeps going on about wolves not being paired and trying to cast doubt at the white rooks. Maybe she is the black rook and maybe the wolves are paired.

However, I think Path's line is a stronger case at the moment.

[st.cronin]

Path, I think you may be mixing up "knowing where a particular piece is on the board" with "knowing where a particular player is on the board." Only players with knowledge of where the white knight is know the latter, and black pawns, I think, would see the white knight as a black knight.

[path12]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Also, I don't think its clear at all that Lathum is a pawn, or even black, based on MY board knowledge. There are other possibilities.

If you see something in the rules where a piece would not get the location of pieces around them please let me know, because the way I read it only pawns who do not move have no knowledge of what is going on around them.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

My assumption has been that she's the black rook and that's why she was defending hoops so hard. However the last statement has really made me question that. There's absolutely no way the rook role would provide any information to lead you to belíeve that someone is good. It's a simple protecting piece. So what could possibly give her a good vibe about Neon? And the way she keeps going on about wolves not being paired and trying to cast doubt at the white rooks. Maybe she is the black rook and maybe the wolves are paired.

However, I think Path's line is a stronger case at the moment.

My intuitions were telling me the same thing - oliegirl = black rook.
One thing was that she was busy most of yesterday at work and hoopsguy was waiting around for someone to come into the thread and vouch for him. Also, the quotes regarding Rooks (that Narcizo quoted) were curious and led me to this belief as well.

[Lathum]

I guess I need to mount a feeble defense.

If I was a wolf why would I come out asking questions like that.

You want to lynch me for having no idea what is going on thats fine I guess. I really have no defense considering it's day 2

[oliegirl]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

Bah! Trumped again. Well my argument were











Oliegirl was coming out very strongly in favour of Hoops yesterday - not just these posts but in her votes as well.

My assumption has been that she's the black rook and that's why she was defending hoops so hard. However the last statement has really made me question that. There's absolutely no way the rook role would provide any information to lead you to belíeve that someone is good. It's a simple protecting piece. So what could possibly give her a good vibe about Neon? And the way she keeps going on about wolves not being paired and trying to cast doubt at the white rooks. Maybe she is the black rook and maybe the wolves are paired.

However, I think Path's line is a stronger case at the moment.

I'm staying quiet for now, depending on how things go at deadline tonight, I might be able to give some more information.

[Neon_Chaos]

Any idea on who's leading?

[path12]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Path, I think you may be mixing up "knowing where a particular piece is on the board" with "knowing where a particular player is on the board." Only players with knowledge of where the white knight is know the latter, and black pawns, I think, would see the white knight as a black knight.

I'll just say I disagree with you here.

And reiterate, my vote is based strictly on the reasons I gave with it. I'm not saying I know he is a wolf for a fact, I'm saying that based on the rules as I interpret them that this is the vote that makes most sense to me. You are free to feel differently.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Path, I think you may be mixing up "knowing where a particular piece is on the board" with "knowing where a particular player is on the board." Only players with knowledge of where the white knight is know the latter, and black pawns, I think, would see the white knight as a black knight.

All pieces would see a knight (or any piece for that matter) as friendly or enemy. The black Pawn would have to know that they're black to unravel that the enemy Knight was Jackal's white Knight.

[Lathum]

I tried to move last night and was blocked

[path12]

Originally Posted by oliegirl

I'm staying quiet for now, depending on how things go at deadline tonight, I might be able to give some more information.

I hope so, because I got the same weird vibes about you that Narcizo did.

[oliegirl]

Is anyone going to be scanning NC tonight?

[mccollins]

Can we get an updated vote count?

[claphamsa]

mccollins, see this game you are still alive, and ALOWED to count

[st.cronin]

I actually came out of yesterday with a high level of trust for oliegirl, but I don't remember why.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

mccollins, see this game you are still alive, and ALOWED to count

But the votes have been moving so much that I haven't kept up!

[The Jackal]

I can maybe throw a vote count together in a few minutes if someone else isn't doing it.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by oliegirl

Is anyone going to be scanning NC tonight?

Why?

[oliegirl]

I'm going to be afk for a few, not sure if I'll be back by deadline or not...will be back shortly after though.

[Narcizo]

OK, I'll hold off on oliegirl and see what she comes up with but I'll be very interested in hearing what she has to say tomorrow.

For want of a vote count I think it's looking like a Chief Rum vs Lathum run off. Lathum has been acting very unusually this game - the no lynch vote and some haphazard voting. Path's arguments push me in a direction I was pretty happy to go anyway.

Vote Lathum

[Lathum]

lol.

every game people use my "acting unusually" as an excuse to vote me.

You would think by now you guys have figured out that I AM unusual.

[st.cronin]

UNVOTE NTNDEACON
VOTE CHIEF RUM

I believe Lathum is a king. I think I'm going to get lynched as a result of this vote.

[Lathum]

well, looks like I am going down.

I'm the black bishop

I can confirm that Jackyl and PAth are both white ( assumonig my PM Partner isn't a wolf lying to me)

If I understand the game that makes Cronin white also

[Passacaglia]

Back. Checking PMs for questions first.

[jeheinz72]

This could be right...

Lathum (5): jeheinz72 (710), path12 (841), PurdueBrad (846), Neon Chaos (850), Narcizo (887)

st.cronin (4): Lathum (659), Anxiety (783), claphamsa (797), Oliegirl (857)

Chief Rum (3): Sonic Youth (717), KWhit (805), TheJackal (809)

NTNDeacon (1): Cronin (860)
No Lynch (1): Qwikshot (861)
The Jackal (1): Chief Rum (638)

Not voted: NTN (invalid), mccollins, RendeR

[jeheinz72]

Updated with the new info

Lathum (5): jeheinz72 (710), path12 (841), PurdueBrad (846), Neon Chaos (850), Narcizo (887)

st.cronin (4): Lathum (659), Anxiety (783), claphamsa (797), Oliegirl (857)

Chief Rum (4): Sonic Youth (717), KWhit (805), TheJackal (809), Cronin (89X)

No Lynch (1): Qwikshot (861)
The Jackal (1): Chief Rum (638)

Not voted: NTN (invalid), mccollins, RendeR

[Neon_Chaos]

From my count:

The Jackal -- Chief Rum (638)
st.cronin -- Lathum (659), Anxiety (783), clap (798), oliegirl (857)
Lathum -- jeheinz72 (710), path12 (841), PB (846), Neon Chaos (847), Narcizo (887)
Chief Rum -- Sonic Youth (717), kwhit (805), the jackal (810), stcronin (889)
ntndeacon - st.cronin (859)
no lynch - qwik (861)

[Lathum]

anyone got a count?

I obviously will switch

[st.cronin]

Looks like this one will be decided by the pawns.

[Lathum]

unvote Cronin
Vote ChiefRum

[The Jackal]

About finished with my vote count and it looks the same, thanks guys.

[Neon_Chaos]

FUCK.

[mccollins]

I thought the angles on Chief Rum's post were very curious since I was nearly trusting Jackal at the end of yesterday. After today, I do trust Jackal (for now!).

However, I've also been suspicious of Lathum and was prepared to vote for him until the run after Path's (decent) argument. I think there is probably at least one wolf piling on in there.

So I'll go back to my original suspicion:
Vote Chief Rum