Alright boyz, it's the BBCF First Impressions thread.

[digamma]

You might be able to put them into a table in Word, change to "Sentence Case" and then move back into excel.

I don't see a sentence case option under format cells in Excel alone.

That's all I got.

[SlyBelle1]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

First annoying issue: the names are allcaps in the government table. Is there an easy way to convert "SMITH" to "Smith" in Excel?

Use the following:

=Proper("SMITH")

Of course repalce the actual name with the cell to make it do the whole sheet.

[sovereignstar]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

First annoying issue: the names are allcaps in the government table. Is there an easy way to convert "SMITH" to "Smith" in Excel?

Check this out. I'm just using google here.

http://domino.lancs.ac.uk/pub/usghel...1?OpenDocument

[Ben E Lou]

Got it. Thanks!

Next issue, albeit a less-significant one: Garcia, Martinez, Rodriguez, Hernandez, and Lopez are the #18, 20, 22, 29 and 32 names. Using this list is going to result in a few more Latino-sounding names than irl, methinks.

[gstelmack]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

I'll work on somethign with this. The problem, though, may be the unknown upper limit of frequency. I'll try a few things and see what happens.

Has anyone asked Arlie yet? It's probably something like all the names get dumped into a giant array, duped by frequency (then picking a name is a simple random number against the size of the array), and the array has a 16-bit (65535) limit or somesuch. He ought to be able to tell us (or someone with VB knowledge might be able to answer what the max array size is).

[sovereignstar]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

Using this list is going to result in a few more Latino-sounding names than irl, methinks.

Livin la vida loca!

[astrosfan64]

Originally Posted by ThunderingHERD

I wish someone would sim the same season a dozen times or more and study how the results. I have a little trouble trusting the results the game generates. Several times I've had to resim seasons due to crashes, and the results have seemed dramatically different at times. Last season, the first time through I finished 8-4 and could easily have lost a few more. Resimming I went 11-1, with convincing wins over #1 FSU and #4 Notre Dame. Just from casually watching as the game sims I saw alot of teams that were +/- 3 or 4 wins from the prior sim.

I've done this before and yes the results do vary. I've done this in TPF, TCB, FOF, TCY, Madden, NHL 2K5 and OOTP.

I really don't get the point of the above post. 3 to 4 swing in either direction can be completely normal. For example, there were two games this year that USC could of lost and were behind late in the game and they are the top team in the nation.

A 10 and 2 team, could go 12 and 0 or 8 and 4 and I would think that would be pretty normal for any sim.

[Ben E Lou]

Quik's comment about not nearly enough names rings very true here. To be safe, I cut off the list at the first 3,525, the number used in the original table, leaving off soem not-too-ridiculous ones stuch as Lawless, Stephen, Spellman, Rogan, Canon, Manners, Kiley, Heywood, Lindell, Liston, Voyles and Railey, to name a few. When I can talk with Arlie, I'll check on the upper limit of names, but for now, I'll limit a new table to the original numbers, I think.

[SlyBelle1]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

Got it. Thanks!

Next issue, albeit a less-significant one: Garcia, Martinez, Rodriguez, Hernandez, and Lopez are the #18, 20, 22, 29 and 32 names. Using this list is going to result in a few more Latino-sounding names than irl, methinks.

I guess that is probably the biggest challenage with using a list like this. The list is for the entire population, not just limited to people who play in different types of sports. Not sure how that could be really solved...

[Ben E Lou]

OK. First test. I did the last names. Upper limit is up to 335. Let's see how this works...

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

OK. First test. I did the last names. Upper limit is up to 335. Let's see how this works...

RTE70 upon league creation. We may be forced to stick with a much lower upper limit.

[Ben E Lou]

OK. I lowered the seven names that were above 117 to 117, and it is letting me cratea league

[Ben E Lou]

Looks like 2^7-1 is the limit. 128 didn't work. 127 did.

[Ben E Lou]

Who would have ever thought that "Irizarry" is more common in the U.S. than "Ireland" or "Irby" or "Hoyle" or "Hollins"?

[Ben E Lou]

OK. Now HERE'S an oddity. The dist.male.first list at the Census Bureau has FEWER names than are in BBCF's FirstName table.

[Poli]

That is weird.

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by digamma

I certainly agree with this at QB, but at other positions, I want some subbing. For example, I want my #2 RB to get about 1/3 of the carries. I don't mind shuttling in lineman every now and then. But, you are exactly right at QB. I hate opening up my box score to see that I had 3 QB's split throws in the game. Part of this is the % setting on the game plan screen. Part of it is the existence of a "Short yardage QB" position on the depth chart. And I think part of it is still due to the high likelihood of a QB who is injured at all getting re-injured during the game.

Ding Ding!! Nail on the head!!

Upon further review, I agree with this. I can work around this for MY team by putting my #1 QB at the top slots in the depth chart and setting his playing time to 100% - BUT what about the AI teams who do this? I can't wait to take a look around at some elite QBs and see if they are splitting time between the #2 and #3 QBs.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

#1 QB (15/15)


#2 QB (7/16)




HUGE ISSUE!

Gamekiller, or an injured QB?

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

Gamekiller, or an injured QB?

I'm looking.

[Eaglesfan27]

I suspect that was an injured QB. I've seen the elite QB's put up some great numbers and clearly get a large portion (if not all) of their team's snaps.

[MizzouRah]

Ok, I was wrong and after looking through the logs their #1 is just injured all the time. I will delete that part of the post and will look some more tomorrow or later today.

[MizzouRah]

I guess the AI isn't doing this?

[Grunthos]

SkyDog, if I'd caught this thread an hour ago, I would have e-mailed you the names file I created from the 1990 Census and saved you the effort. I could still send it along if you'd like. I used the same tactics... take a census listing, use Excel to change the all-upper-case format and convert the weights into integer values, and then paste the .csv over to a firstname/lastname text file.

I have a lastname file with 25,000 names that runs successfully. It had 50,000 initially, but crashed at that length, so the limit is somewhere in the middle... I'd guess a standard binary limit at 32,000.

Note that a long last names file will significantly increase processing time at league creation and whenever recruits are generated.

[Ben E Lou]

Hmmmmmm...FirstNames is FAR more flexible than LastNames. I set up the FirstName table with exact frequencies, and it works fine, ranging all the way up to 829 for James and 817 for John. Go figger...

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Grunthos

SkyDog, if I'd caught this thread an hour ago, I would have e-mailed you the names file I created from the 1990 Census and saved you the effort. I could still send it along if you'd like. I used the same tactics... take a census listing, use Excel to change the all-upper-case format and convert the weights into integer values, and then paste the .csv over to a firstname/lastname text file.

I have a lastname file with 25,000 names that runs successfully. It had 50,000 initially, but crashed at that length, so the limit is somewhere in the middle... I'd guess a standard binary limit at 32,000.

Note that a long last names file will significantly increase processing time at league creation and whenever recruits are generated.

Did your frequencies work out with LastNames?

I'd still love a copy of that .csv if it works.

[Grunthos]

I don't think I tried frequencies above the 100-120 range. I currently have Smith at 101.

I'll send the files along to you. You may wish to tweak them some for frequency or ethnicity... I just used the frequencies from the census list without major modification.

[Ben E Lou]

I'm an idiot. I was getting the RTE because I was trying to create a league with the pstats file still open in Access.

[ThunderingHERD]

Originally Posted by astrosfan64

I really don't get the point of the above post. 3 to 4 swing in either direction can be completely normal. For example, there were two games this year that USC could of lost and were behind late in the game and they are the top team in the nation.

A 10 and 2 team, could go 12 and 0 or 8 and 4 and I would think that would be pretty normal for any sim.

I think I stated the point very clearly--what part didn't you understand? Do you find it inconceivable that the results could be more random than they should? Does that for some reason seem unimportant to you?

A swing of a few games one way or another is to be expected, but from what I've seen resimming several seasons, it just seemed more random than it should be--maybe it's not. The real problem is in determining what is to random as we can't exactly resim real life a dozen times for comparison. As for comparing the variation to pro games, college football doesn't have anywhere near that level of parity so results shouldn't be as varied.

[kingfc22]

For the first time I had to really scratch my head about the all-conference selections for the WAC in my 4th season.

1st team TE: 12 rec, 251 yds, 3 TD's, 2 KRB
2nd team TE: 4 rec, 38 yds, 2 TD's, 1 game played (this guy is my backup TE)
3rd team TE: 12 rec, 126 ydsm 2 TD's


my starting TE: 21 rec, 322 yds, 1 TD, 5 PCK

[Ben E Lou]

Here are a few teams from a career that used the frequency table I set up based on teh census data:

Quarterbacks # POS NAME HT WT YR GPA WE INT STATUS High School OVR POT 04 QB John Barnett 6-0 213 (Sr) 3.81 92 65 OK Washington (Atlanta, GA) 46 55 18 QB Harlan Crawford 6-0 197 Fr 2.70 82 53 OK Melbourne Central Catholic (FL) 65 81 10 QB James Horton 6-2 235 (Fr) 2.91 62 56 OK St. Wenderlin (Fostoria, OH) 53 64 13 QB Kirk Kidd 6-2 191 (Jr) 3.54 82 68 OK Northside (Warner Robins, GA) 49 56 08 QB James Sanchez (S) 6-3 191 Fr 2.44 97 39 OK Coral Shores (Tavernier, FL) 63 85

Running Backs # POS NAME HT WT YR GPA WE INT STATUS High School OVR POT 26 RB Kevin Day 5-9 192 (Sr) 3.12 70 57 OK Douglass (Atlanta, GA) 53 58 34 RB Robert Hatcher 5-8 181 (Fr) 3.98 87 60 OK Greece Arcadia (Rochester, NY) 58 67 28 RB Michael Johnson 6-0 181 Sr 2.28 39 62 OK Phoenix Christian (Phoenix, AZ) 75 88 31 RB Dennis Simons 5-10 179 (Jr) 3.94 66 70 OK Wheeler (Marietta, GA) 48 53 45 RB Melvin Smith (S) 5-10 243 Jr 2.50 78 43 Q (3-5 wks) Sonrise Christian (Lakeland, FL) 81 89 46 FB Albert Maldonado (S) 6-0 231 Fr 3.47 73 62 OK Elkhart Lake-Glenbeulah (WI) 60 79 37 FB James Moran 6-0 206 (So) 3.32 87 53 OK Cook (Adel, GA) 49 49 38 FB Theodore Wakefield 5-11 225 So 3.58 88 73 O (4-6 wks) Newnan (Newnan, GA) 54 65

Receivers # POS NAME HT WT YR GPA WE INT STATUS High School OVR POT 85 WR Donald Chaney 6-4 179 (Sr) 2.69 54 68 OK Westlake (Atlanta, GA) 49 60 82 WR Derek Abrams (S) 6-2 209 Fr 2.52 89 38 OK Las Plumas (Oroville, CA) 65 82 88 WR Aaron Henry 6-0 178 (Sr) 3.98 88 75 OK Thomas County Central (GA) 53 53 14 WR Clifford Ayers 6-1 191 (Jr) 2.42 51 69 OK Carrollton (Carrollton, GA) 48 59 86 WR Ruben Lambert 6-6 210 (Fr) 1.86 68 44 OK South Atlanta (Atlanta, GA) 56 58 81 WR Richard Smith 6-1 191 (Fr) 2.11 46 28 Redshirt Oglethorpe County (Lexington, GA) 41 55 84 WR Eduardo Swisher (S) 5-10 169 Fr 2.98 51 62 OK Pope (Marietta, GA) 61 83 89 TE Jacob Mcbride 6-2 243 (Fr) 3.30 83 75 OK Avondale (Avondale Estates, GA) 58 58 83 TE Leonard Rosen 6-4 258 So 3.83 64 66 OK Americus (Americus, GA) 64 72 87 TE William Spurlock 6-1 223 (Fr) 2.16 63 54 Redshirt E.B. Erwin (Birmingham, AL) 52 65 80 TE Richard Wallace (S) 6-8 267 Sr 2.36 69 47 OK Suncoast (Riviera Beach, FL) 66 81

Offensive Lineman # POS NAME HT WT YR GPA WE INT STATUS High School OVR POT 68 OT Kenneth Fox (S) 6-1 318 (Sr) 2.96 65 60 OK St. Augustine (St. Augustine, FL) 71 79 73 OT Miguel Hines 6-2 298 Jr 2.16 73 48 Q (0-2 wks) Chamberlain (Tampa, FL) 73 86 74 OT Roy Joiner 6-5 298 (Jr) 2.55 63 55 OK Morrow (Morrow, GA) 45 56 77 OT Antonio Burris (S) 6-7 308 (Jr) 3.96 54 73 OK Tift County (Tifton, GA) 61 70 79 OT Manuel Culver 6-4 321 (So) 2.87 78 53 OK St. Pius X (Atlanta, GA) 49 58 71 OT Frank Campbell 6-3 304 (Sr) 3.64 51 81 OK Calhoun County (Edison, GA) 59 68 67 OG Randy Johnson 6-1 298 (Jr) 2.47 53 60 OK Buford (Buford, GA) 38 49 78 OG Cory Barber 6-8 314 Jr 2.85 42 72 OK Deep Valley Christian (CA) 60 69 62 OG Frank Lloyd (S) 6-5 277 (So) 2.03 33 44 OK Rancho Alamitos (Garden Grove, CA) 54 69 76 OG William Bush 6-4 289 (Fr) 1.97 65 50 Redshirt Miami MacArthur North (Miami, FL) 55 72 61 OG Joshua Nelson 6-0 290 (Jr) 2.90 72 61 D (1-3 wks) Lincoln County (Lincolnton, GA) 57 59 69 OG Alan Robles (S) 6-6 310 Jr 2.07 50 42 OK Concordia (Concordia, MO) 63 75 65 OG Ralph Edwards 6-8 294 (So) 3.48 68 63 OK Montclair (Montclair, CA) 49 56 59 C Joseph Neal 6-2 319 (Sr) 2.95 71 66 OK Stephenson (Stone Mountain, GA) 65 76 66 C Matthew Randall 6-6 295 So 3.94 81 67 OK Greensburg (Greensburg, IN) 57 69 70 C Ralph Burnham (S) 6-5 303 Fr 3.63 99 99 OK Fort Pierce Central (Fort Pierce, FL) 53 73 55 C Daniel Gill 6-1 275 (So) 2.39 52 60 Redshirt Washington (Atlanta, GA) 44 55

Defensive Lineman # POS NAME HT WT YR GPA WE INT STATUS High School OVR POT 99 DE Dale Garland 6-5 271 (Sr) 3.58 64 70 OK Tucker (Tucker, GA) 52 57 93 DE James Ferrell 6-1 268 (Sr) 2.93 49 70 OK North Clayton (College Park, GA) 49 57 96 DE Wm Robinson (S) 6-3 305 Jr 2.09 58 46 OK Cardinal Mooney (Sarasota, FL) 67 80 95 DE Wm Robinson (S) 6-3 299 Fr 1.92 58 47 P (0-2 wks) Cardinal Mooney (Sarasota, FL) 59 78 90 DE Albert Clements 6-6 267 Jr 2.11 67 47 OK Tri-Cities (East Point, GA) 50 61 25 DT Michael Benton 6-8 280 (Fr) 2.05 64 34 OK North Hall (Gainesville, GA) 43 51 94 DT Charles Pacheco (S) 6-7 271 (Sr) 3.64 96 65 OK Spalding (Griffin, GA) 48 54 92 DT Russell Harris 6-1 287 (So) 1.90 58 54 OK Marist (Atlanta, GA) 45 54 97 DT Michael Samuel 6-0 285 (Sr) 3.74 99 81 OK Shaw (Columbus, GA) 49 54 98 DT Frederick Sheffield 6-2 271 (Fr) 3.37 85 74 Redshirt Beau Chene (Arnaudville, LA) 44 54

Linebackers # POS NAME HT WT YR GPA WE INT STATUS High School OVR POT 49 ILB Raphael Mendez 6-1 223 (Fr) 3.05 52 61 Redshirt Oak Ridge (Orlando, FL) 52 74 54 ILB Dale Lynch 6-1 238 (Fr) 3.81 91 62 OK Norcross (Norcross, GA) 43 58 56 ILB Mark Carnes (S) 6-2 244 (Fr) 2.44 33 63 OK Chipley (Chipley, FL) 54 69 51 ILB Jerry Dudley 6-1 232 (Fr) 2.04 75 44 Redshirt Admiral Farragut Academy (FL) 42 58 58 ILB Leon Irwin (S) 6-2 228 (So) 3.69 99 63 OK Aquinas (Augusta, GA) 63 75 41 OLB Billy Lucas (S) 5-11 234 Sr 2.85 35 76 OK Cardinal Newman (West Palm Beach, FL) 70 76 52 OLB Wayne Obrien 6-0 229 Fr 3.77 87 65 OK Montgomery Bell Academy (TN) 56 80 40 OLB Larry Abbott 6-1 224 (Jr) 2.73 67 64 OK Brookwood (Snellville, GA) 50 60 53 OLB James Shelby 6-2 231 (Fr) 2.02 76 34 OK Burke County (Waynesboro, GA) 48 55 50 OLB William Bradley (S) 6-1 242 Jr 2.53 74 45 OK Montgomery County (Mount Vernon, GA) 59 65

Defensive Backs # POS NAME HT WT YR GPA WE INT STATUS High School OVR POT 48 CB David Camp 5-11 180 (Jr) 3.37 79 71 OK Lowndes (Valdosta, GA) 53 60 44 CB Craig Reaves 5-8 177 (So) 3.03 84 51 OK Westover (Albany, GA) 48 56 32 CB Douglas Holland 6-1 187 Fr 2.13 82 41 OK Centennial (Roswell, GA) 55 74 36 CB Jason Purnell 5-10 177 So 2.12 47 62 OK Camden County (Kingsland, GA) 63 84 23 CB David Stevens (S) 6-0 194 Sr 1.86 64 39 OK Neshoba Central (Philadelphia, MS) 69 84 27 CB John Gross (S) 5-10 194 So 2.60 99 52 OK Saks (Anniston, AL) 71 80 42 FS Dean Rosa 6-2 166 Fr 2.83 58 56 OK Berwick Area (Berwick, PA) 53 65 43 FS John Taylor 6-3 199 Fr 3.50 76 71 OK Englewood (Jacksonville, FL) 50 66 47 FS Walter Miller (S) 5-11 180 Jr 2.22 61 65 OK Lecanto (Lecanto, FL) 70 82 30 SS Raul Rutledge 6-0 177 Sr 2.58 78 56 OK Wheeler County (Alamo, GA) 55 65 22 SS Travis Craig 6-0 162 Fr 2.10 61 64 OK Lithia Springs (Lithia Springs, GA) 39 56 29 SS Casey Burgess (S) 6-0 175 Fr 2.72 91 36 OK Sibley East (Arlington, MN) 55 71

Special teams # POS NAME HT WT YR GPA WE INT STATUS High School OVR POT 16 K David Rodriquez 6-0 187 Fr 3.48 91 51 OK Vidalia (Vidalia, GA) 53 53 01 K George Galindo (S) 6-0 194 Sr 3.59 73 58 OK Northside (Warner Robins, GA) 72 72 05 P Howard Brown 5-10 186 So 3.12 70 52 OK Tucker (Tucker, GA) 48 48 19 P Robert Day (S) 6-1 191 Fr 2.17 55 51 OK Mays (Atlanta, GA)

Quarterbacks # POS NAME HT WT YR GPA WE INT STATUS High School OVR POT 08 QB Thomas Davis 6-0 200 (Fr) 3.35 81 87 Redshirt Ridgedale (Morral, OH) 49 66 13 QB Kyle Grimes 6-4 197 (Fr) 2.75 74 48 Redshirt Blue Valley North (Overland Park, KS) 48 56 07 QB Willie Holmes (S) 6-6 220 So 3.73 66 89 OK Warner Robins (Warner Robins, GA) 66 77 14 QB Robert Patterson 6-4 184 (So) 2.45 90 44 OK Walton (Marietta, GA) 48 60 03 QB Kevin Sager 6-2 237 (Jr) 3.24 88 40 OK Allen (Allen, TX) 48 62 18 QB Brendan Wheeler 6-0 184 (Sr) 2.98 48 68 OK North Clayton (College Park, GA) 56 56 19 QB Alberto Wilson 6-3 184 (Jr) 3.30 82 87 OK Lafayette (Mayo, FL) 57 62

Running Backs # POS NAME HT WT YR GPA WE INT STATUS High School OVR POT 36 RB Danny Dozier 5-11 207 (So) 3.60 44 65 OK Buford (Buford, GA) 45 54 31 RB Donald Boyer 5-9 171 (Fr) 2.12 68 32 Redshirt Menomonee Falls (Menomonee Falls, WI) 44 58 25 RB Rodney Osborne (S) 6-0 176 Jr 3.23 45 81 OK Rivercrest (Wilson, AR) 81 87 33 RB John Perez 6-0 194 (So) 2.99 71 72 OK Westlake (Atlanta, GA) 45 56 24 RB Phillip Perez 5-10 208 (Sr) 3.93 90 69 OK San Luis (San Luis, AZ) 48 59 41 FB Jackie Mulligan (S) 6-1 226 So 3.53 51 79 P (0-2 wks) Hart County (Munfordville, KY) 41 48 26 FB Salvatore Stafford 5-10 202 Fr 3.28 70 72 OK Greenwood (Bowling Green, KY) 45 56

Receivers # POS NAME HT WT YR GPA WE INT STATUS High School OVR POT 85 WR Edward Grubbs 6-2 202 (Jr) 3.03 61 59 OK Ware County (Waycross, GA) 48 60 01 WR Herman James (S) 6-6 184 Jr 3.33 91 63 OK Tucker (Tucker, GA) 74 83 84 WR Joel Jones 5-9 194 (Jr) 3.50 89 59 OK Lockney (Lockney, TX) 55 55 54 WR Bob Mccollum 6-4 175 (Fr) 3.46 99 68 Redshirt Jefferson County (Louisville, GA) 41 56 81 WR Ramiro Oneal 6-1 209 Sr 3.31 84 84 P (0-2 wks) East Coweta (Sharpsburg, GA) 51 65 68 WR Kenneth Bishop 6-3 183 (Jr) 1.94 50 48 Redshirt Twiggs County (Jeffersonville, GA) 45 61 87 WR Davis Roman 6-0 196 (Sr) 2.08 80 46 OK East Ridge (Clermont, FL) 49 61 88 WR Tony Williams (S) 6-4 198 So 2.22 63 48 OK Redan (Stone Mountain, GA) 55 69 82 TE James Long (S) 6-5 246 Jr 4.00 69 74 OK Albany (Albany, GA) 72 84 86 TE Orville Gallant 6-1 231 (Sr) 3.34 99 79 OK Brookwood (Snellville, GA) 68 77 89 TE Kenneth Palmer 6-6 246 (Jr) 3.46 83 84 OK Houston County (Warner Robins, GA) 50 63 83 TE Michael Gentry 6-3 225 (Jr) 2.39 47 50 OK Valdosta (Valdosta, GA) 53 64 80 TE Justin Gray 6-3 239 (Fr) 2.06 68 52 OK Lincoln County (Lincolnton, GA) 52 73

Offensive Lineman # POS NAME HT WT YR GPA WE INT STATUS High School OVR POT 78 OT Greg Jones 6-5 295 (So) 3.97 82 68 OK St. Petersburg Catholic (FL) 60 69 77 OT Arnold Malone 6-1 309 (So) 3.95 46 99 OK Southside (Atlanta, GA) 42 53 65 OT Jesus Marshall 6-0 329 (Jr) 1.90 67 35 Redshirt Goleman (Miami, FL) 64 73 66 OT Scott Meyer (S) 6-7 321 (So) 2.20 33 74 OK Woodville (Woodville, TX) 66 79 66 OT Gerald Tibbs 6-0 287 (So) 2.19 88 28 OK Troup (LaGrange, GA) 54 55 76 OT Kevin Vang (S) 6-7 298 (Jr) 3.72 85 44 OK Sequoyah (Canton, GA) 66 79 60 OG David Kirkland 6-3 278 (Fr) 3.57 48 86 Redshirt Commerce (Commerce, GA) 47 77 73 OG Charles Brock (S) 6-4 311 (Jr) 2.15 47 31 Q (4-6 wks) Atlantic City (Atlantic City, NJ) 64 71 79 OG Dennis Mcgee 6-5 294 (So) 3.60 99 71 OK Heard County (Franklin, GA) 42 48 67 OG Floyd Meyers 6-5 301 (So) 3.14 75 43 OK Calhoun County (Edison, GA) 66 66 75 OG Ralph Dickinson 6-6 280 (Jr) 2.95 60 51 OK Southwest DeKalb (Decatur, GA) 61 76 72 OG John Henry (S) 6-6 296 So 2.76 98 38 OK Northside (Warner Robins, GA) 57 75 63 C Timothy Morales 6-1 292 So 3.71 39 99 OK Chapel Hill (Douglasville, GA) 56 71 55 C Justin Sharp (S) 6-3 296 (Jr) 3.57 39 68 OK Stockbridge (Stockbridge, MI) 83 88

Defensive Lineman # POS NAME HT WT YR GPA WE INT STATUS High School OVR POT 97 DE Miles Riddle 6-1 277 (Fr) 3.94 80 61 Transfer Springfield Twp (Erdenheim, PA) 60 68 96 DE Andrew Dougherty 6-5 254 (Jr) 2.20 57 39 OK Camden County (Kingsland, GA) 60 72 99 DE Dustin Stein (S) 6-4 280 (Jr) 2.24 87 44 OK Brookwood (Snellville, GA) 64 72 98 DE James Watkins (S) 6-2 281 (So) 3.86 47 89 OK Varela (Miami, FL) 58 62 94 DT Robert Morris 6-1 290 (Sr) 2.69 84 51 OK South Forsyth (Cumming, GA) 44 61 90 DT Dale Murray 6-5 268 (So) 3.72 72 83 P (0-2 wks) Prentiss Christian (Prentiss, MS) 42 53 95 DT Timothy Coleman 6-2 289 (Fr) 2.19 64 58 OK Beach (Savannah, GA) 49 57 92 DT Mario Flores (S) 6-1 275 Fr 2.14 78 53 OK Junction City (Junction City, AR) 57 70 97 DT Michael Wood 6-0 288 (Jr) 3.38 36 82 OK Troup (LaGrange, GA) 49 53

Linebackers # POS NAME HT WT YR GPA WE INT STATUS High School OVR POT 51 ILB Willie Davis 6-1 237 (Jr) 3.86 77 76 OK Towers (Decatur, GA) 45 55 57 ILB Jack Lockett (S) 6-1 244 So 3.98 68 93 OK Shannon (Shannon, MS) 64 74 45 ILB James Espinal (S) 6-0 232 (Jr) 2.16 33 66 OK Sheffield (Sheffield, AL) 57 75 50 ILB Michael Crowe 6-0 236 (Jr) 3.21 66 79 OK Commerce (Commerce, GA) 48 50 42 ILB Ronald Campbell 5-11 234 (Fr) 3.98 87 76 Redshirt Barbour County (Clayton, AL) 49 72 44 ILB Earl Zepeda 6-0 234 (Fr) 3.38 95 49 OK Evangel Christian (Lakeland, FL) 51 61 47 OLB Brian Schneider 6-2 241 Sr 3.83 93 69 OK Chattahoochee (Alpharetta, GA) 65 70 52 OLB Robert Gates (S) 6-1 258 (Jr) 1.87 66 25 OK South Florence (Florence, SC) 63 74 43 OLB Jason Welsh 6-2 226 (Fr) 2.21 65 35 Redshirt Warner Christian Academy (FL) 47 60 49 OLB Andrew Gardner (S) 5-11 234 (Jr) 3.80 46 92 OK Jefferson (Tampa, FL) 59 69

Defensive Backs # POS NAME HT WT YR GPA WE INT STATUS High School OVR POT 35 CB Coy Harper (S) 6-1 205 Sr 2.58 42 77 OK St. Joseph Academy (FL) 64 75 23 CB Larry Hunter 6-2 193 Sr 2.49 38 58 OK Oak Mountain (Birmingham, AL) 67 70 40 CB Harry Mathis 5-11 165 (Jr) 2.36 85 34 OK Cook (Adel, GA) 48 50 39 CB Mark Vazquez 5-9 181 (Sr) 2.25 40 45 OK Magoffin County (Salyersville, KY) 50 62 21 CB Gregory Weller 5-10 162 (So) 3.23 84 61 OK Murray County (Chatsworth, GA) 48 53 29 CB Boyd Harvey (S) 5-10 170 So 2.14 29 50 OK New Smyrna Beach (FL) 63 82 22 CB Walter Bullock 6-0 161 (Jr) 2.91 46 71 OK Griffin (Griffin, GA) 44 54 48 FS Gregory Stone 5-9 186 Fr 3.11 66 74 OK Warner Robins (Warner Robins, GA) 51 77 27 FS Brett Hawthorne (S) 5-10 186 Sr 3.52 80 71 OK Redan (Stone Mountain, GA) 78 83 46 FS Mark Price 5-10 200 Sr 3.70 99 75 OK Lowndes (Valdosta, GA) 73 81 37 SS Joshua Davis 6-2 195 Jr 2.14 38 45 OK Dougherty (Albany, GA) 64 79 32 SS William Hinson 5-10 171 Fr 3.80 82 78 OK McNair (Atlanta, GA) 51 60 30 SS Raymond Champion 5-11 172 (Fr) 2.10 34 27 Redshirt Richmond Hill (Richmond Hill, GA) 46 69 34 SS Leonard Brown (S) 5-11 176 So 2.32 42 68 OK Chamblee (Chamblee, GA) 63 67

Special teams # POS NAME HT WT YR GPA WE INT STATUS High School OVR POT 10 K Steven Young 5-10 181 Fr 2.50 45 99 OK Live Oak (Watson, LA) 69 76 16 K James Robertson (S) 6-3 166 Fr 2.87 70 66 OK Stanton Prep (Jacksonville, FL) 77 83 02 P Joey Merchant (S) 6-0 194 Jr 3.51 99 56 OK Valdosta (Valdosta, GA) 67 82 12 P Raymond Thomas 5-10 206 Sr 3.56 70 62 OK Junction City (Junction City, AR) 73 73

Quarterbacks # POS NAME HT WT YR GPA WE INT STATUS High School OVR POT 06 QB Martin Becker 6-1 206 (Jr) 2.60 87 42 OK M. L. King (Lithonia, GA) 54 54 14 QB Gary Boone (S) 6-0 186 Fr 3.67 74 37 OK Rome (Rome, GA) 44 59 15 QB Gary Holliday 6-4 232 (So) 2.06 47 38 OK Christ Missionary & Industrial (MS) 45 60 20 QB George Kelly 6-6 231 (Sr) 2.91 73 51 OK Laney (Augusta, GA) 47 59 08 QB Seymour Kim 6-3 208 (Fr) 3.74 99 74 OK Buford (Buford, GA) 42 54

Running Backs # POS NAME HT WT YR GPA WE INT STATUS High School OVR POT 26 RB James Chavez 5-10 194 (Jr) 2.26 41 70 OK Wesleyan (Norcross, GA) 49 49 23 RB Alexander Fowler (S) 5-9 188 (Sr) 2.02 81 44 OK Holy Cross (New Orleans, LA) 53 61 40 RB Maynard Hartman 5-8 178 (Fr) 3.01 71 61 OK LaGrange (LaGrange, GA) 46 46 34 RB Fredrick Lockwood 5-8 177 (So) 3.51 65 73 OK Pompano Beach (Pompano Beach, FL) 44 48 44 RB Bobby Smith 5-11 173 (Fr) 1.90 71 33 Redshirt Camden County (Kingsland, GA) 46 49 37 FB Pasquale Church 5-10 220 Fr 2.18 38 37 OK St. Xavier (Louisville, KY) 41 52 45 FB John Foster 5-11 211 Sr 3.91 72 82 OK Newport (Newport, AR) 46 47 39 FB Robert Pugh (S) 6-2 219 Sr 3.54 55 86 OK North Florida Christian (FL) 50 59

Receivers # POS NAME HT WT YR GPA WE INT STATUS High School OVR POT 85 WR Louis Griffin 5-9 179 (Fr) 3.27 68 64 Redshirt Dade County (Trenton, GA) 36 55 86 WR Gary Johnson 5-9 186 (Sr) 3.65 87 50 OK Barbour County (Clayton, AL) 50 59 80 WR Joe Martin (S) 6-3 172 Jr 2.18 39 51 OK Cedar Creek (Ruston, LA) 66 85 84 WR Wesley Nickerson 5-9 197 So 2.40 85 54 OK Thomasville (Thomasville, AL) 43 61 82 WR Clarence Rogers 6-2 197 (Sr) 1.95 77 45 Suspended Chamblee (Chamblee, GA) 45 55 01 WR Kenneth Barton 6-2 196 (Jr) 3.03 99 57 OK Lincoln County (Lincolnton, GA) 47 52 83 WR Keith Washington (S) 6-5 199 Jr 2.09 62 45 OK Comeaux (Lafayette, LA) 49 57 88 TE Brian Heath (S) 6-2 222 (So) 3.66 76 80 OK Washington (Atlanta, GA) 48 54 18 TE Max Alexander 6-3 224 (Fr) 3.87 81 73 Redshirt Bearden (Knoxville, TN) 44 50 81 TE David Lawrence 6-1 248 (Fr) 3.58 83 82 Redshirt Dade County (Trenton, GA) 46 55 87 TE Barry Lewis 6-2 239 (Sr) 3.21 91 59 OK McNair (Atlanta, GA) 47 51 89 TE William Noonan 6-3 249 (Fr) 1.95 80 45 Suspended Freeport (Freeport, FL) 48 56

Offensive Lineman # POS NAME HT WT YR GPA WE INT STATUS High School OVR POT 74 OT Scott Gonzalez (S) 6-2 295 (So) 3.33 76 55 OK Rocklin (Rocklin, CA) 40 53 65 OT Brian Burk 6-7 298 (Jr) 2.73 82 35 OK Douglas County (Douglasville, GA) 51 57 66 OT George Miller 6-5 298 (Fr) 3.22 42 60 Redshirt Southeast Bulloch (Brooklet, GA) 50 53 77 OT Gordon Pruett 6-8 289 (Fr) 3.68 84 89 OK Palm Beach Central (Palm Beach, FL) 39 47 75 OT Harold Scott (S) 6-8 316 (Sr) 3.88 84 58 OK East Side (Newark, NJ) 51 55 76 OT Ferdinand Warren 6-6 284 (Jr) 3.24 87 92 OK Tucker (Tucker, GA) 46 58 61 OG Charles Jones 6-6 281 (Fr) 2.13 63 58 Redshirt Schley County (Ellaville, GA) 43 53 72 OG Donald Bailey (S) 6-8 290 (Sr) 3.40 94 88 OK Cedar Ridge (Hillsborough, NC) 53 63 78 OG Jeremy Copeland 6-8 279 (Fr) 2.15 41 68 OK LaGrange (LaGrange, GA) 46 61 63 OG Henry Ortiz (S) 6-0 283 (Jr) 2.01 71 44 OK Central Gwinnett (Lawrenceville, GA) 49 50 67 OG John Hoff 6-5 283 (Jr) 3.73 87 84 OK Miami Carol City (Miami, FL) 45 45 70 OG Cameron Tate 6-7 297 (Fr) 2.17 99 43 OK Jonesboro (Jonesboro, GA) 45 52 79 C Richard Langford (S) 6-5 286 Jr 3.75 91 57 OK Woodland (Woodland, AL) 48 53 69 C Adam Lund 6-3 280 (So) 2.07 71 56 Redshirt Parkview (Lilburn, GA) 47 56 51 C David Stewart 6-0 277 (Fr) 2.98 81 68 OK Jordan (Columbus, GA) 41 55 53 C Stephen Austin 6-2 288 Sr 3.46 51 62 OK Ottawa Township (Ottawa, IL) 57 57

Defensive Lineman # POS NAME HT WT YR GPA WE INT STATUS High School OVR POT 90 DE Don Day 6-2 268 So 1.91 58 34 Suspended Washington (Atlanta, GA) 46 54 94 DE Charles Lane 6-8 267 (Jr) 3.58 99 54 OK Huffman (Birmingham, AL) 39 50 93 DE George Thomas 6-4 256 (So) 3.49 64 70 OK Memphis South Side (Memphis, TN) 33 47 95 DE Francis Vang 6-4 280 (Jr) 3.85 90 65 OK Banks County (Homer, GA) 45 57 98 DE Allen Garvin 6-4 262 (Fr) 3.98 34 70 Redshirt Vermillion (Vermillion, SD) 41 58 99 DE George Wise (S) 6-8 262 (Fr) 2.16 82 43 OK Vermilion (Vermilion, OH) 51 61 92 DT Robert Martin 6-3 276 (Fr) 3.12 65 67 OK Betsy Layne (Betsy Layne, KY) 39 51 97 DT Melvin Mccormick 6-0 276 (Sr) 2.48 43 50 OK Buford (Buford, GA) 43 50 60 DT Larry Hopkins 6-7 286 (Fr) 3.53 42 88 Redshirt Socastee (Myrtle Beach, SC) 35 54 91 DT Patrick Duncan (S) 6-7 267 (Jr) 3.79 54 85 OK Westside (Macon, GA) 47 55 96 DT Milton Mack 6-5 268 (Sr) 3.93 67 85 OK Dalton (Dalton, GA) 51 56

Linebackers # POS NAME HT WT YR GPA WE INT STATUS High School OVR POT 57 ILB William Day (S) 5-11 233 So 3.85 50 84 OK Marion County (Jasper, TN) 59 66 56 ILB Robert Collier 5-11 229 Sr 3.23 67 97 P (0-2 wks) Eldorado (Las Vegas, NV) 50 54 58 ILB William Ring (S) 6-2 242 (So) 2.87 73 56 OK Riverdale (Mount Blanchard, OH) 52 59 43 ILB Johnny Smith 5-11 232 (Fr) 3.23 89 84 OK Catholic (Little Rock, AR) 35 52 50 ILB John Wright 5-9 233 (Fr) 3.83 83 83 Redshirt Joliet Catholic (Joliet, IL) 43 55 54 OLB Bryan Cote (S) 6-1 231 (Jr) 3.83 70 87 OK Woodland (Woodland, AL) 43 47 47 OLB Ronnie Adams 6-2 220 (So) 3.25 43 74 OK East Carter (Grayson, KY) 37 47 41 OLB Kenneth Alaniz 5-11 231 (Sr) 3.57 88 57 OK Hazel Green (Hazel Green, AL) 49 51 42 OLB David King 6-0 221 (Fr) 3.71 82 51 OK Clay County (Manchester, KY) 41 53 52 OLB Alex Moore (S) 6-2 239 (Sr) 3.38 67 99 OK South Panola (Batesville, MS) 48 53

Defensive Backs # POS NAME HT WT YR GPA WE INT STATUS High School OVR POT 30 CB Franklin Finley 6-2 180 (Jr) 3.70 84 85 OK Opelousas (Opelousas, LA) 41 51 31 CB Jeffery Hughes (S) 6-0 187 (Sr) 3.96 89 66 OK North Marion (Citra, FL) 45 54 48 CB Herman Krueger 5-9 194 (Jr) 2.19 76 39 OK Casa Grande (Casa Grande, AZ) 43 53 35 CB Jeffrey Gray (S) 5-8 162 Fr 2.60 99 35 OK Winterboro (Alpine, AL) 44 60 25 CB Shawn Winslow 6-0 183 (Jr) 3.72 99 57 OK Leroy (Leroy, AL) 46 60 49 CB Kelvin Wood 6-0 194 (Fr) 3.65 59 63 OK Winfield-Mt. Union (Winfield, IA) 45 55 38 FS John Newton 6-0 188 So 3.70 89 71 OK Timber Creek (Erial, NJ) 47 52 24 FS Jeffrey Clark (S) 5-10 189 Fr 2.17 80 31 OK Mt. Hope (Bristol, RI) 43 57 29 FS Jacob Rogers 6-0 174 Fr 2.04 64 42 OK Bassfield (Bassfield, MS) 37 58 36 SS Harry Stephens 5-10 168 Jr 3.53 55 73 OK Eastern Alamance (Mebane, NC) 44 55 33 SS Alexander Kaminski 6-0 161 Fr 3.73 76 56 OK Alcoa (Alcoa, TN) 40 62 21 SS William Herrera (S) 5-11 172 So 2.04 68 36 OK Coral Gables (Coral Gables, FL) 49 68

Special teams # POS NAME HT WT YR GPA WE INT STATUS High School OVR POT 04 K Edward Walker (S) 6-3 207 Jr 3.69 79 76 OK Highland Park (Highland Park, NJ) 62 64 12 K Jose Smith 6-2 198 (So) 2.17 43 59 OK Hazlehurst (Hazlehurst, MS) 60 60 07 P Raymond Hartley (S) 6-3 170 Sr 3.38 79 59 OK Stephenson (Stone Mountain, GA) 59 59 16 P Cody Rodriguez 6-4 197 Fr 3.34 60 73 OK Dodge County (Eastman, GA) 49 59

Quarterbacks # POS NAME HT WT YR GPA WE INT STATUS High School OVR POT 04 QB Steven Bowman 6-2 228 (Jr) 3.98 89 73 OK P.L. Dunbar (Baltimore, MD) 51 60 07 QB Robert Carney 6-1 236 (So) 2.57 78 42 P (1-3 wks) Walhalla (Walhalla, SC) 48 63 01 QB Travis Rodriguez 6-6 193 (Fr) 2.45 35 52 OK Swansea (Swansea, SC) 46 60 15 QB Jonathon Sumner 6-1 203 (Fr) 3.83 86 60 Redshirt McCormick (McCormick, SC) 46 67 17 QB Norman Thompson (S) 6-1 226 (Sr) 2.87 96 54 OK Monroe County (Monroeville, AL) 54 66

Running Backs # POS NAME HT WT YR GPA WE INT STATUS High School OVR POT 43 RB Jerry Foreman 5-11 199 (Jr) 2.18 58 58 O (2-4 wks) Webb (Oxford, NC) 72 81 35 RB Steven Humphrey (S) 5-11 189 (Jr) 3.38 79 79 OK Merritt Island Christian (FL) 50 52 32 RB Clayton Jordan 5-8 178 (Sr) 2.19 57 38 OK Ely (Pompano Beach, FL) 43 48 38 RB Craig Martinez 5-10 200 (Fr) 2.81 56 66 OK Cardinal Ritter Prep (St. Louis, MO) 47 54 29 RB Tony Watson 5-8 178 (Fr) 2.10 75 50 Redshirt Sweet Water (Sweet Water, AL) 43 56 22 FB Daniel Collins (S) 5-11 223 Jr 3.24 73 57 OK Bullitt East (Mount Washington, KY) 45 50 44 FB Sidney Fountain 5-11 207 Jr 3.94 81 98 OK Miami Country Day (Miami, FL) 48 50 37 FB Michael Maddox 6-1 222 Fr 3.75 54 85 OK Jackson County (Gainesboro, TN) 38 57

Receivers # POS NAME HT WT YR GPA WE INT STATUS High School OVR POT 79 WR Roy Adams 6-5 168 (Fr) 3.53 82 58 Redshirt Shaw (Columbus, GA) 48 53 84 WR Christopher Clark (S) 6-2 204 (So) 2.02 86 42 OK Coahoma Agriculture (Clarksdale, MS) 54 62 18 WR Theodore Gilliam 5-11 168 Jr 2.11 84 27 OK Mountain View (Mesa, AZ) 51 52 82 WR Johnny Gonzalez 6-3 200 (Jr) 3.98 40 78 OK Nettleton (Nettleton, MS) 39 57 80 WR Michael Jones 6-4 197 (Jr) 3.72 97 93 OK LaGrange (LaGrange, GA) 51 52 89 WR Stacy Nix 6-1 174 Jr 1.97 88 52 OK Madison Central (Richmond, KY) 45 60 08 WR Carlos Numbers (S) 6-0 189 Jr 3.79 99 49 OK Hillcrest (Simpsonville, SC) 52 59 85 WR Evan Woodard 5-11 199 (Sr) 3.80 99 86 OK North Laurel (London, KY) 52 52 88 TE Scott Hester 6-2 231 (Jr) 3.31 68 72 OK Jefferson (Tampa, FL) 54 56 87 TE Arron Otero (S) 6-2 239 (Jr) 3.61 99 54 OK Ripley (Ripley, MS) 53 57 83 TE Keith Ramirez 6-3 223 (Fr) 2.78 79 64 Redshirt Miami Edison (Miami, FL) 39 55 86 TE Jonathan Singh 6-3 245 (Fr) 3.40 54 93 OK Fairley (Memphis, TN) 48 61 81 TE Eduardo Torrez 6-3 226 (So) 3.37 74 68 Redshirt Dacula (Dacula, GA) 48 64

Offensive Lineman # POS NAME HT WT YR GPA WE INT STATUS High School OVR POT 67 OT Hubert Carey 6-6 299 (Jr) 3.19 64 74 OK Centennial (Roswell, GA) 41 43 66 OT Wm Chavis 6-5 310 (Jr) 3.41 99 75 OK Walhalla (Walhalla, SC) 51 63 72 OT William High (S) 6-0 307 Sr 3.12 67 47 OK Hunter-Kinard-Tyler (Neeses, SC) 66 66 78 OT Louis Kennedy (S) 6-0 312 (So) 3.95 86 90 OK Greer (Greer, SC) 54 55 68 OT Wesley Currie 6-0 321 (Jr) 3.74 45 74 OK Clarksdale (Clarksdale, MS) 45 59 76 OT Philip Connolly 6-0 293 (Fr) 3.03 60 61 Redshirt Central (Pageland, SC) 46 50 65 OG Michael Gutierrez 6-3 279 (Fr) 3.87 80 82 OK Hall (Little Rock, AR) 34 44 73 OG John Crenshaw 6-2 284 (Fr) 3.38 67 48 Redshirt A.J. Ellender (Houma, LA) 40 46 77 OG James Lewis 6-5 299 (Jr) 2.71 56 77 OK Byrnes (Duncan, SC) 43 54 69 OG Brandon Lynn (S) 6-6 299 So 3.55 81 55 OK Waccamaw (Pawley's Island, SC) 51 62 74 OG David Davis 6-6 300 (Jr) 3.38 82 84 OK Jeffersontown (Jeffersontown, KY) 54 58 75 OG Walter Douglas 6-4 291 Fr 3.30 85 92 OK Hartsville (Hartsville, SC) 45 68 64 OG Clinton White (S) 6-5 291 Jr 1.98 24 44 OK Big Spring (Big Spring, TX) 58 80 62 C Ramon Lee 6-4 276 So 3.72 77 57 OK Alcoa (Alcoa, TN) 53 57 71 C Ralph Edwards (S) 6-8 302 Fr 3.34 94 69 OK Groves (Savannah, GA) 55 70 59 C Richard Thompson 6-3 300 Fr 3.29 98 90 OK Ponchatoula (Ponchatoula, LA) 54 76

Defensive Lineman # POS NAME HT WT YR GPA WE INT STATUS High School OVR POT 91 DE James Bell (S) 6-0 282 (Sr) 3.39 62 78 OK Forest (Forest, MS) 50 63 99 DE Arnold Fagan 6-7 270 (Jr) 3.97 89 99 OK Hollywood (Los Angeles, CA) 43 56 97 DE Wesley Booth 6-3 263 (Fr) 3.47 88 93 Transfer Parker (Parker, SD) 54 72 98 DE Richard Thomas 6-2 286 (So) 2.66 58 60 OK Montgomery Bell Academy (TN) 48 59 93 DE Charles Waters (S) 6-8 263 Fr 3.99 67 72 OK Vidalia (Vidalia, GA) 47 56 90 DT David Lester 6-6 295 (So) 3.02 70 68 OK Broome (Spartanburg, SC) 43 52 95 DT Arthur Lindsey (S) 6-8 290 (Jr) 3.04 80 56 OK Robinson (Tampa, FL) 49 54 94 DT Charles George 6-3 291 (Fr) 3.86 81 71 Redshirt Thornwell (Clinton, SC) 44 48 92 DT Christopher Butler 6-4 274 (Jr) 3.30 94 62 OK Chipley (Chipley, FL) 50 50 96 DT Ronnie Cline 6-0 276 (Fr) 3.40 99 66 OK Douglass (Atlanta, GA) 39 51

Linebackers # POS NAME HT WT YR GPA WE INT STATUS High School OVR POT 50 ILB Mark Johnson 6-0 227 (Fr) 3.97 56 66 Redshirt Windthorst (Windthorst, TX) 45 68 52 ILB Mary Carney 6-2 231 (So) 3.88 95 79 OK Thomas County Central (GA) 50 60 54 ILB Luther Payne 6-1 235 (Sr) 3.30 66 88 OK Robert E. Lee (Jacksonville, FL) 53 55 47 ILB Kenny Schmidt 6-1 235 (Jr) 2.61 87 54 OK Hampton (Hampton, AR) 40 55 57 ILB Travis Smith (S) 5-11 223 So 2.30 33 50 OK Alameda (Alameda, CA) 49 65 49 ILB Valentine Edmondson (S) 5-11 243 (Jr) 3.54 59 57 OK Betsy Layne (Betsy Layne, KY) 48 53 41 ILB Thomas Wallace 6-1 230 (So) 3.21 52 58 OK Lake Brantley (Altamonte Springs, FL) 49 57 56 ILB Adam Fernandez 6-0 238 (Sr) 2.56 34 69 OK Parkview (Lilburn, GA) 46 57 51 OLB Lance Smith 6-2 235 (So) 3.34 68 80 OK Dulce (Dulce, NM) 55 57 53 OLB Brandon Stephens (S) 6-2 240 Jr 3.70 75 90 OK Bishop Moore (Orlando, FL) 55 67 55 OLB Brandon Stephens 6-2 234 (Fr) 3.58 89 70 Redshirt Bishop Moore (Orlando, FL) 52 62 48 OLB Hubert Andrew (S) 6-2 222 (Jr) 3.01 50 73 OK Alcoa (Alcoa, TN) 45 60 42 OLB Gary Adame 6-2 238 (Fr) 3.24 78 86 OK Pleasure Ridge Park (Louisville, KY) 54 55

Defensive Backs # POS NAME HT WT YR GPA WE INT STATUS High School OVR POT 46 CB Charles Stevenson 6-0 179 So 3.07 73 69 OK St. David's (Raleigh, NC) 46 62 45 CB Jerry Johnson (S) 5-10 192 Sr 3.65 93 92 OK Havre (Havre, MT) 53 59 30 CB Ray Britt 5-9 174 (So) 2.14 43 30 OK Whitmire (Whitmire, SC) 50 52 31 CB Chris Barnett 5-10 189 So 3.58 64 73 OK Wooddale (Memphis, TN) 50 54 31 CB Hector Webb 5-10 182 (Fr) 3.23 55 75 Transfer Danville (Danville, IL) 50 57 33 CB Anthony Anderson (S) 5-9 179 (Sr) 2.93 39 74 OK Desoto (Desoto, TX) 50 65 23 FS Marcelino Parrish 6-1 205 Jr 3.62 46 99 OK Weaver (Weaver, AL) 53 63 36 FS Brent Anderson 5-11 181 So 3.45 58 66 OK Rome (Rome, GA) 58 64 28 FS Terry Taylor (S) 5-10 197 Fr 3.47 95 48 OK Allendale-Fairfax (Fairfax, SC) 54 66 26 SS Michael Buchanan 6-2 182 (Sr) 2.09 64 34 OK Geneva County (Hartford, AL) 64 75 34 SS John Wolfe 5-10 183 Jr 3.87 99 65 OK DeSoto County (Arcadia, FL) 52 70 21 SS Charles Fox (S) 5-10 186 Jr 3.29 99 54 P (0-2 wks) Blackville-Hilda (Blackville, SC) 58 71

Special teams # POS NAME HT WT YR GPA WE INT STATUS High School OVR POT 20 K David Taylor (S) 6-4 193 So 3.81 78 91 OK Jackson Academy (Jackson, MS) 62 73 16 K John Ingram 6-1 213 Fr 2.25 52 52 OK Raleigh Egypt (Memphis, TN) 63 65 11 P Arthur Hall (S) 5-9 183 Fr 3.83 73 65 OK McNair (Atlanta, GA) 50 68 12 P Joe Anthony 5-9 180 Jr 3.91 61 86 OK Belton Honea-Path (Honea Path, SC) 52 60

Quarterbacks # POS NAME HT WT YR GPA WE INT STATUS High School OVR POT 07 QB Gary Dudley (S) 6-1 180 (So) 2.08 61 58 OK Sacred Heart (Hallettsville, TX) 75 79 13 QB Dennis Fleming 6-5 224 (Fr) 2.03 90 42 Redshirt Plantation (Plantation, FL) 47 62 01 QB Daryl Gordon 6-1 225 (Jr) 3.27 78 82 OK Cocke County (Newport, TN) 47 55 15 QB Stanley Washington 5-11 193 (So) 2.23 63 41 OK Portland (Portland, TN) 48 55 20 QB Raymond White 6-4 184 (Sr) 3.66 73 66 OK Covington (Covington, TN) 44 45

Running Backs # POS NAME HT WT YR GPA WE INT STATUS High School OVR POT 31 RB Daniel Dobson (S) 5-11 190 (Sr) 2.64 97 53 OK Many (Many, LA) 53 60 36 RB Santiago Durbin 5-11 182 (Jr) 2.49 99 49 OK Loretto (Loretto, TN) 53 53 47 RB James Flaherty 5-10 192 (Jr) 3.62 99 88 OK Memphis University (Memphis, TN) 46 52 39 RB Frank Miles 5-11 202 Fr 3.90 42 74 OK Mitchell (New Port Richey, FL) 46 61 41 RB Lynn Springer 5-8 203 (Fr) 3.49 79 87 OK Columbia (Columbia Station, OH) 45 60 26 FB Bobby Gamboa 5-11 221 Sr 2.98 91 62 OK Archbishop Shaw (Marrero, LA) 54 54 33 FB Daniel Johnson (S) 6-1 239 Jr 3.69 56 74 OK Piper (Sunrise, FL) 60 74 28 FB Richard Black 6-0 226 So 3.93 99 67 OK Navarre (Navarre, FL) 53 70

Receivers # POS NAME HT WT YR GPA WE INT STATUS High School OVR POT 87 WR Charles Frank 5-11 179 Sr 2.16 40 52 OK Red Boiling Springs (TN) 51 51 18 WR James George 5-10 187 (So) 2.90 65 56 Redshirt McGavock (Nashville, TN) 43 64 51 WR Roberto Mares 6-0 174 Fr 3.07 62 55 P (1-3 wks) John Muir (Pasadena, CA) 50 63 85 WR Andrew Nieves 6-2 200 So 3.27 99 61 OK Union Mine (El Dorado, CA) 46 51 83 WR Vincent Vargas (S) 6-3 195 Sr 2.80 99 39 Q (4-6 wks) Jones (Orlando, FL) 57 57 86 WR Terry Anaya 5-11 201 (Sr) 1.93 60 46 Suspended American Heritage (Plantation, FL) 43 46 81 WR Richard Willis (S) 5-11 190 (Jr) 3.21 99 66 OK Baylor (Chattanooga, TN) 48 61 84 TE Chester Hendricks (S) 6-3 246 (Jr) 3.70 87 51 OK Lee’s Summit North (Lee's Summit, MO) 72 72 89 TE Kenny Lassiter 6-3 246 Sr 2.16 49 47 OK Clinch County (Homerville, GA) 63 73 80 TE Robert Rogers 6-4 246 (So) 3.23 99 62 P (2-4 wks) Sycamore (Pleasant View, TN) 68 78 82 TE Curtis Stewart 6-1 227 (Jr) 3.24 67 77 OK Cordova (Cordova, TN) 51 52 88 TE Walter White 6-6 228 (Fr) 2.09 49 36 OK Terry Parker (Jacksonville, FL) 65 87

Offensive Lineman # POS NAME HT WT YR GPA WE INT STATUS High School OVR POT 79 OT Chad Carter (S) 6-1 299 Fr 2.21 69 37 Q (4-6 wks) Cardinal Gibbons (FL) 57 78 78 OT Joshua King 6-1 294 (Fr) 1.95 27 45 Transfer Bayard (Bayard, NE) 65 79 75 OT Dale Adame 6-7 302 Fr 2.16 50 38 OK Berwick (Berwick, LA) 59 77 78 OT Anthony Pollard 6-0 308 (Jr) 3.65 88 75 OK Greenback (Greenback, TN) 45 49 69 OT Brandon Winn (S) 6-6 323 (So) 2.13 66 54 OK Southwest DeKalb (Decatur, GA) 58 73 67 OG Carl Belanger (S) 6-2 288 (So) 3.02 90 42 OK Adrian (Adrian, MO) 76 85 68 OG Johnny Johnson 6-6 278 (Fr) 3.34 79 79 OK Milan (Milan, TN) 40 47 61 OG Jeremy Mendoza 6-8 288 (So) 2.04 52 37 OK Dyersburg (Dyersburg, TN) 48 51 72 OG Jeff Moore (S) 6-5 278 Fr 3.59 42 69 OK Crystal River (Crystal River, FL) 55 65 66 OG Brent Riley 6-1 276 So 2.05 57 36 OK Evangel Christian (Louisville, KY) 51 70 74 OG William Anderson 6-7 292 (So) 2.42 79 30 OK Donelson Christian Academy (TN) 47 58 62 C James Adams 6-0 267 (Fr) 3.93 30 99 Redshirt Gulliver Prep (Pinecrest, FL) 51 71 60 C Kelvin Harvey (S) 6-4 302 Fr 2.57 33 52 OK St. John’s (John's Island, SC) 55 68 76 C Julio Sweeney 6-5 276 So 3.76 52 90 OK Belle Chasse (Belle Chasse, LA) 48 68 56 C Samual Edmondson 6-2 294 Fr 3.30 78 46 OK Boca Raton Christian (Boca Raton, FL) 53 65

Defensive Lineman # POS NAME HT WT YR GPA WE INT STATUS High School OVR POT 96 DE Harold Hahn (S) 6-4 268 Sr 2.36 61 37 OK Buford (Buford, GA) 61 66 99 DE Ralph Gonzalez 6-1 267 (Fr) 2.59 65 65 Transfer Eustis (Eustis, FL) 56 74 91 DE Wilbert Cooper 6-7 283 So 3.39 72 49 OK Crestwood (Sumter, SC) 59 73 93 DE Charles Tate 6-7 272 (Jr) 3.39 64 89 OK Frayser (Memphis, TN) 36 46 95 DE Thomas Larson (S) 6-4 299 (Sr) 1.97 63 28 OK Ravenna (Ravenna, OH) 63 68 94 DE Gary Weaver 6-2 265 (Sr) 3.30 59 67 OK Melrose (Memphis, TN) 53 60 98 DT Collin Hawkins 6-5 289 (Jr) 3.57 38 86 OK Keith (Orrville, AL) 44 53 97 DT Jeffrey Carter 6-6 292 (Jr) 1.97 43 36 OK Centennial (Bakersfield, CA) 45 50 99 DT Billy Martin (S) 6-3 279 (Fr) 2.44 46 46 OK Redbank Valley (New Bethlehem, PA) 46 55

Linebackers # POS NAME HT WT YR GPA WE INT STATUS High School OVR POT 54 ILB Leonard Fleming 5-11 230 (Fr) 3.23 99 78 OK Tellico Plains (Tellico Plains, TN) 36 53 52 ILB Anthony Ross 6-2 229 (Sr) 3.48 46 99 OK Rich Central (Olympia Fields, IL) 55 57 53 ILB Ronald Stephens (S) 6-1 223 Fr 2.72 52 46 OK Westlake (Atlanta, GA) 55 75 58 ILB Wendell Barnes 5-10 226 (Fr) 3.54 50 77 Transfer San Joaquin Memorial (Fresno, CA) 53 75 50 ILB Gregory Jacobs (S) 6-2 219 Fr 3.72 71 99 OK The Veritas School (Jackson, MS) 59 72 58 ILB Edward Winter 6-0 223 (Fr) 3.97 71 93 OK Hillsboro (Nashville, TN) 40 50 48 OLB Raul Moore 6-0 226 (Sr) 2.86 45 74 D (4-6 wks) Gatlinburg-Pittman (Gatlinburg, TN) 57 72 55 OLB Fred Nguyen (S) 6-0 234 Sr 3.30 45 72 OK St. John Lutheran (Ocala, FL) 68 79 57 OLB Chris Tate (S) 6-0 239 (Sr) 3.42 83 76 OK Caddo Mills (Caddo Mills, TX) 73 75 44 OLB Calvin Thompson 6-1 246 (Fr) 3.03 49 81 Redshirt Southeast Lauderdale (Meridian, MS) 46 71 59 OLB Stephan Wagner 5-11 244 (Sr) 3.89 99 68 OK Bishop Byrne (Memphis, TN) 47 47

Defensive Backs # POS NAME HT WT YR GPA WE INT STATUS High School OVR POT 40 CB Timothy Gibson (S) 6-0 167 Fr 1.78 73 20 OK Pearsall (Pearsall, TX) 39 61 21 CB Albert Martin 5-9 177 (So) 2.12 82 42 Redshirt Hickman (Columbia, MO) 48 59 25 CB James Snyder 5-9 169 So 1.97 59 32 Suspended Sullivan Central (Blountville, TN) 52 54 37 CB Terry Oconnell 5-10 181 (So) 3.39 67 74 OK Jackson North Side (Jackson, TN) 50 53 23 CB Vincent Garner (S) 6-3 206 Jr 3.34 88 57 OK Decatur (Decatur, GA) 65 72 29 CB Lavern Williams 5-10 172 (Jr) 2.27 86 55 P (1-3 wks) G.A. Wilson (Hacienda Heights, CA) 45 59 43 FS Stephen Cooper (S) 5-11 177 (Fr) 2.17 73 32 OK Leflore County (Itta Bena, MS) 66 68 42 FS Charles Anthony 5-11 177 (Fr) 3.51 99 90 OK New Brockton (Chancellor, AL) 58 74 27 FS Harold Bills 5-10 173 (Fr) 3.11 30 76 OK Walton (Marietta, GA) 53 70 46 FS Joseph Steele 6-0 187 (So) 3.63 82 74 OK Bishop O'Dowd (Oakland, CA) 60 69 49 SS Jeffrey Martin 5-9 174 Sr 2.07 69 30 OK St. Amant (St. Amant, LA) 60 69 30 SS Larry Lord 6-4 203 Sr 1.98 40 56 OK Decatur (Decatur, AL) 64 76 45 SS John Gross (S) 5-11 188 Jr 1.89 49 31 OK Abbeville (Abbeville, LA) 54 73

Special teams # POS NAME HT WT YR GPA WE INT STATUS High School OVR POT 03 K Sam Adams 5-11 193 So 3.86 71 71 OK Provine (Jackson, MS) 65 72 07 K Paul Cardwell (S) 5-11 182 Jr 3.92 80 70 OK Mitchell-Baker (Camilla, GA) 79 79 17 P Richard Scott (S) 6-4 188 Sr 3.72 88 52 OK Buford (Buford, GA) 58 70 06 P Isaac Evans 6-1 208 So 3.67 79 92 OK Warner Robins (Warner Robins, GA) 70 70

If you want the files, to be copied onto the FirstName and LastName tables, here are the links:

http://www.younglifenorthlake.com/fo...firstnames.csv
http://www.younglifenorthlake.com/fo...flastnames.csv

For the first names, snce there are fewer on the census table than in the BBCF table, I deleted the "extras." The last names list has the exact number of last names in BBCF's original list.

[Eaglesfan27]

This is probably a stupid question:

Will that affect future recruits, or would I have to start a new career to get the benefits of those tables?

[Icy]

Looks good Skydog, will edit the pstats1.5 and will release it with that changes, i also will for the autoinstall file.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

This is probably a stupid question:

Will that affect future recruits, or would I have to start a new career to get the benefits of those tables?

In order to make any changes work for a current career, you need to edit the appropriate tables in your savegame folder in setup.dat and stats.dat. That being said, with the FirstNames table having fewer records, switching it out in a current career will cause a crash. I *think* (haven't tried it) switching out tables of same length would work, but players' names would all change, since the name id's are different.

[Ben E Lou]

Looks like Arlie has been busy today:

http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum...splay.php?f=85

[Eaglesfan27]

Impressive. I can't wait for 1.04. I hope it works well with previous careers.

[MizzouRah]

Wow, lots of posts there. Can't wait for 1.04 though.

[WSUCougar]

A quibble I have run into with recruiting is that I do not fill my schoalrship quota by the end of the recruiting period, and the AI then awards scholarships at positions I didn't need/want. Am I doing something wrong, or is this random (or based on interest)?

[Cuckoo]

Originally Posted by WSUCougar

A quibble I have run into with recruiting is that I do not fill my schoalrship quota by the end of the recruiting period, and the AI then awards scholarships at positions I didn't need/want. Am I doing something wrong, or is this random (or based on interest)?

I've seen this as well. I typically cut the guys so I can use the scholarship the next year.

Is there a way to give a scholarship to a walk-on who has received playing time and deserves it? I've looked, but I wonder if I'm missing it.

[MrBug708]

I think a bug is that after year 2, I never get a transfer interested in me much less get one to come to my school

[ThunderingHERD]

In more than a dozen years total I've only got one transfer. That occurred after I got to about 65 prestige with UNC and decided to go after a few guys that had "Low" interest in my school in addition to the guys that had "Very High" interest. Maybe the interest isn't displaying right?

[JPhillips]

I've held off commenting until I had time to play for a while. I'm not a stathead so my comments focus elsewhere. Some of my problems have already been addressed, but I'm going to include the whole list that I've been compiling. Before start I need to give Arles a lot of credit. Even with some big problems I'm still playing this game. Its a huge step forward for his work and I think it has the potential to be a great game.

BIG PROBLEMS

The transfer system is messed up. I've had Sophomores that would have been starters transfer. Way too many top recrutis transfer

I have never seen any transfer have anything higher than low interest in my school. Even when I had no kicker I couldn't generate any interest from a 4 star kicker transferring from Ohio State

The suggested lineup should match the medical staff advice. I can correct this, but I'm assuming that computer teams are playing doubtful guys regularly

The primary offense and defense can change every year. I know that schools can alter the approach, but the preferences of the coordinators are goign to dominate. Teams just don't change offensive and defensive philosophies regularly

Way too many academic ineligibles. I've lost five starters to academics at one time. This just never happens. If Ohio State lost Hawk, Smith, Mangold, Ginn and Kudla all at once for academic reasons it would be a huge story and Tressel would be gone. Football programs make it very difficult for students to be ineligible. I don't mind occasional problems, in fact I like the idea, but its too prevelent right now

I don't know if this is something that I'm messing up, but I repeatedly have boosts in the budget but end up with less on the set budget screen than the year before. Is the coach salary going up? I'm not sure what the problem is, but I hate to lower my scouting budget when I supposedly got a boost to the budget.

MEDIUM PROBLEMS

The delete league function doesn't seem to work at all

I see too many mid-major level All-Americans. Its not unusual for there to be four or more mid-majors on offense and defense first teams

An alphabetical order for award/transfer/goign pro emails is less effective than alphabetical by school. I don't always remember all the names and I've missed them on the email

The coordinators that have salaries over 600,000 often don't get work because of team budgets. The inflation of salaries for the top coordinators seems to leave a lot of them unemployed

Too many mid-majors in the top twenty five. This is really only a problem in that two or more from the same conference are getting in. I saw three MAC teams in the top twenty in one career. Its very hard for the small conferences to get more than one team in the top twenty five. If prestige isn't a factor in the polls maybe it should be

I would love to see the team expectations screen before I select a team to coach. I don't know if this is possible given the order of league generation, but it would be a huge help when trying to decide on an unfamiliar team

Every time I've change position, probably ten or twelve, the ratings have sucked. I've never had higher than 1.5 potential even if I'm told that they will be good or very good. I've had enough bad luck that I don't ever change positions anymore

Potential ratings for coordinators would be a big enhancement. I don't know if they improve, but having some idea, especially for small schools, of what young guys could become would be nice. Right now after a couple of season if a small school losses their coordinator they are bound to have someone crappy

Is there a way to see recruit commitments only for a single school? I can see the player cards of my recruits if I use recruited/no hide commitments, but that gives me a huge list. I want a way to see my committeds easily

I had a 3 star QB reject my last scholarship in the last week of recruiting but then join the team as a wlk-on. That shouldn't happen

LITTLE PROBLEMS

A small error on the expectation page where it says something like "DC can be flexible..." It should start with THE

As has been mentioned the name file isn't very good. I had starting safeties of Nagurski and Houshmanzadeh

The default off-season text for players seems to be Concerned about team's play

Is there a way to add the spread option as an offensive choice? Its so hot right now that it seems a big loss that its not there

I would love to see the expectations page for other teams

When a recruit has a long last name the position gets cut off the player card

The athlete marker should stay with the player after they are recruited. (Of course if the change position stats don't change I guess this doesn't matter)

How is the coach experince generated and what does it mean? I've seen thirty something year old coaches with 12+ years of experience. Does that mean they've been a coordinator since their early twenties?



Again, this is a very good product that I'm very haapy with. I hope these problems can be fixed and I hope the college basketball game is this good. ( If I ever have time to play it!!!)

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by ThunderingHERD

In more than a dozen years total I've only got one transfer. That occurred after I got to about 65 prestige with UNC and decided to go after a few guys that had "Low" interest in my school in addition to the guys that had "Very High" interest. Maybe the interest isn't displaying right?

I got pretty tired of not getting transfers so I put it on AI usage. They dont even offer now.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by WSUCougar

A quibble I have run into with recruiting is that I do not fill my schoalrship quota by the end of the recruiting period, and the AI then awards scholarships at positions I didn't need/want. Am I doing something wrong, or is this random (or based on interest)?

That *should* change in 1.04, with recruits making decisions earlier. What happens is that if you don't use up all your available schollies, they get offered to players on your watch list.

[ThunderingHERD]

Arkansas State popped up on my schedule at the beginning of the year. That's twice in a row that I've been given a 12th game that wrecked my SOS.

[QuikSand]

Originally Posted by ThunderingHERD

Arkansas State popped up on my schedule at the beginning of the year. That's twice in a row that I've been given a 12th game that wrecked my SOS.

I'm not sure whether this is a question about BBCF, or about "strength of schedule" measurements generally...

But is there any circumstance where adding a weak team (I'm not talking about replacing a good one with them but simply adding one more team on top) and beating them appropriately should actually *reduce* your position in this sort of ranking?

I don't know enough to know if (a) what you say actually happens in your BBCF game; and (b) this really is how things work in BBCF, and (c) this is not how it works in real life college football... but if all three are true, then it's a concern for this game. If this really is how it works in real college football, that's just absurd (but of course it ceases to be a concern that the game is incorrectly applying the concept).

[ThunderingHERD]

Lovely. Heading into the ACC championship I get another RTE 55. Can't remember the last time I saved.

[ThunderingHERD]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

I'm not sure whether this is a question about BBCF, or about "strength of schedule" measurements generally...

But is there any circumstance where adding a weak team (I'm not talking about replacing a good one with them but simply adding one more team on top) and beating them appropriately should actually *reduce* your position in this sort of ranking?

I don't know enough to know if (a) what you say actually happens in your BBCF game; and (b) this really is how things work in BBCF, and (c) this is not how it works in real life college football... but if all three are true, then it's a concern for this game. If this really is how it works in real college football, that's just absurd (but of course it ceases to be a concern that the game is incorrectly applying the concept).

I haven't really looked into it, but I do know that I never move up in the polls after beating a bad team, regardless of what happens to the teams in front of me. And I rarely move down more than a slot or two after losing to a good team.

[ThunderingHERD]

As far as the computers go, I think it would be a matter of blowing out the team by a large enough margin to have the boost to your MOV offset the knock to your SOS. With the polls as they are in the game, it's certainly no better than a bye week and perhaps worse. Either way, I'd rather not have games inexplicably popping up on my schedule.

[MizzouRah]

would love to see the expectations page for other teams

You can, click on "team info" and then at the bottom select whatever team you want.

[WSUCougar]

Can anyone else confirm that the defense "override" (when the AI selects a different defense from the one you've selected with play calling is enabled) seems much more prevalent when you call Nickel defenses? I know I've seen it elsewhere but it is downright common in Nickel.