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jesus. from the interdictor posts it seems like the goddamn third world down there. it's amazing how little times it takes people to revert back to a "primitive" state after something like this. truly truly frightening. i don't even know what to say, the magnitude of the destruction and suffering just has me...speechless.
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09-01-2005, 02:07 PM | #852 |
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09-01-2005, 02:08 PM | #853 | |
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09-01-2005, 02:11 PM | #854 |
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Found this somewhat weird, working on a hotel business paper, regarding the luxury chains (Four Seasons, Ritz-Carlton), and on the Ritz site, the pages for the New Orleans hotels (they have two) are just weird. http://www.ritzcarlton.com/corporate...ns/default.asp
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09-01-2005, 02:11 PM | #855 | |
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09-01-2005, 02:22 PM | #856 | |
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That is the plan. She has enough of a resume and experience that she'll hopefully get a job cooking somewhere in the city. Hopefully, I'll be able to see private patients or work at a clinic in the city or the surrounding area. |
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09-01-2005, 02:26 PM | #857 |
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Listening to CNN. this is Heartwrenching. I cannot believe that in our country we cant get enough help in there to these people. We are sitting back while they die...
They keep saying its "too unsafe" to go help them.....well of course. the people are desperate to live and are acting in desperation!!! This is awful. They have to just go in there!!!
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09-01-2005, 02:27 PM | #858 |
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Ok Eaglesfan, I just gotta know...was your trip to Little Rock a date?
And did you get out of cleaning the bathrooms?
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09-01-2005, 02:28 PM | #859 | |
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09-01-2005, 02:30 PM | #860 | |
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obviously not me, asshat, those that are trained. The people that are sitting on the outskirts "planning". Or shifting their plan from search and rescue to security...They HAVE to go get them or they will die!! Its not hard to understand!! Why cant they drop food and water in....thats easy to do.
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09-01-2005, 02:33 PM | #861 | |
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lol, actually, *I* don't need anything. Those folks that are here? I think northern Louisiana is the best place for residents of N.O. to go. The people here still associate with the folks of New Orleans as their own Louisiana folks, so the support is very strong. About 4 of us from my squadron were ready to jump into a truck and drive to New Orleans yesterday but the cops talked us out of it. "What they don't need is more warm bodies to take care of down there. They need people with certain skills. Security, search and rescue, doctors, nurses." And what can people away from Louisiana do? Private donations are the absolute best, you can give it to anybody, but the Red Cross is probably one of the most organized groups out there to donate money to. You would be amazed how far a 20 dollar bill will go when the Red Cross is using it. |
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09-01-2005, 02:37 PM | #863 |
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that is the Red Cross's donations thus far through yahoo.
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09-01-2005, 02:37 PM | #864 | |
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People dying. We should go in to save them. Except when we do, we get shot and die. Then we die and they die. Brilliant! Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying efforts shouldn't be made to save people where possible. However, those efforts do need to be worth the risk.
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09-01-2005, 02:38 PM | #865 | |
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I am not familiar with that area. Sounds like it's on the other side of the airport which is pretty far away from me. I'm on the other side of the Red River to the east. |
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09-01-2005, 02:39 PM | #866 | |
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Again, food and water drops are easy and cost effective.
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09-01-2005, 02:41 PM | #867 |
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You think that those with the guns aren't just going to horde it all, Flasch?
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09-01-2005, 02:42 PM | #868 | |
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09-01-2005, 02:42 PM | #869 | |
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I assume you're willing to risk a significant amount of bloodshed against American civilians (lawless ones, mind you, but Americans nonetheless) and the attending flak that will no doubt eminate from certain quarters over the handling of the situation, particularly given who will be the most likely targets of NG or police personnel. That is the only surefire way to secure the situation, but it will not be tidy in the least. Last edited by Wolfpack : 09-01-2005 at 02:46 PM. |
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09-01-2005, 02:42 PM | #870 | |
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But Flasch, they're trying to get people to leave the city. Not wait around for food and water. |
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09-01-2005, 02:43 PM | #871 |
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President Bush appearing on television now with both former Presidents Bush Sr. and Clinton. Man.
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09-01-2005, 02:43 PM | #872 | |
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Except that they are shooting at the choppers. The last plan was for the military to get there and take over relief efforts (since it's illegal in this country for them to operate militarily inside our borders), so the Guard and Police (who are legal) can establish security. But it takes time to get the military there. Remember, it's barely 48 hours since the levies broke and everything went to pot, and I don't think anyone was expecting so many armed mobs this quickly.
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09-01-2005, 02:44 PM | #873 | |
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I'm sure the gangs with guns will appreciate that. Simply tossing in stuff for people to fight over won't necessarily help things. In areas where things are realtively secure or controlled, by all means. However, simply rushing in may lead to more problems than it solves. That's my point. Simply wringing your hands and yelling 'do something, do something' doesn't mean that what gets done will help.
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09-01-2005, 02:47 PM | #874 |
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The major gas pipeline for the East Coast is back online, but only operating at 50% capacity.
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So I guess it is a half pipe. Ba-dum-bump *groan*
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09-01-2005, 02:55 PM | #876 | |
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My god, this is tragedy on a massive scale...
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09-01-2005, 02:58 PM | #877 |
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09-01-2005, 02:59 PM | #878 | |
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09-01-2005, 03:00 PM | #879 |
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FEMA is hiring for their call center in MD. They're paying $15/hour. Looking for 400 people.
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powerful stuff just now on CNN, viewer e-mails responding to "how would you rate the response of the federal government to this disaster." I won't summarize cuz i don't want to threadjack this into a political thread, but one thing really struck me. one viewer pointed out:
"we can invade a country on the other side of the world but we can't drop bottled water from a helicopter onto a street in New Orleans." too true...too true. this is not my America. How were we not better prepared for this? Republicans...Democrats, whatever. We knew this was liable to happen at some point, the fact that we were not better prepared is simply inexcusable. |
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Can Bush authorize the real military to go in there? The ones that are trained in urban warfare? Are there any troops available that fit that description or are they committed to other fronts? That is what this is becoming, urban warfare.
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Dutch, that is a good point about Shreveport being a good place to go with people being supportive. Hopefully, someone will show some kindness and hire a chef even if she might only be there for 2-3 months. Also, I know a few of the staff at LSU-Shreveport Psychiatry department so hopefully they can help me with work.
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09-01-2005, 03:09 PM | #884 | |
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Yes. I hope people see the difference between prediction and preparedness. Of course you cannot predict the exact moment a levee will break just as we could not predict that people would fly planes into the WTC. Also, you can't expect large-scale disaster relief to run smoothly. But, especially considering the amounts of resources being plied into homeland security these days, it really is a wonder why disaster preparedness wasn't better than it was... |
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My only question to you is: What did you do to prepare for this? Also, invading another country took months, if not years to do, and there are many that would claim it still wasn't done properly. Comparing the two is simply grasping at straws.
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WSUCougar, that post made me laugh and I was about to reply to it, but it looks like you deleted it. Anyway, I took it in the humorous light that it was intended
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09-01-2005, 03:15 PM | #890 |
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I've been trying to figure this out the last couple of days. Where is WWL operating out of? Do they have a spot in outlying New Orleans or did they move to a nearby city or what?
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I don't know the details, but I have heard several people say that. A time of crisis is not the time to change the rules, but I wonder if after this has blown over we might not want to revisit that. Maybe allow the President with the approval of 3/4 of both houses of congress to authorize domestic military use for a limited period of time. There are huge pros and cons to a proposal like that, and now is NOT the time to debate them. But when things cool down, it may be a subject worth visiting. |
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But the related point can be made about homeland security. Looking at the news and the people giving interviews, it does seem that the NO situation does fall under the jurisdiction of homeland security, at least somewhat. If homeland security is not fully up to speed with this disaster, it does leave a few question marks about their potential performance in the aftermath of a large-scale terrorist attack. |
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better than nothin'...letting people keel over from dehydration is unacceptable no matter what. Yes, go in, militarily shoot anyone who shoots at you but right behind the front line troops should be pils of water and food. Most of the tropps will begreeted with flowers and cheering...sound familiar.
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09-01-2005, 03:24 PM | #896 | |
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buzzbee, don't split hairs. I was using the communal "we" and not the personal "we." I paid my taxes though to help prepare for it, how about that? Fine, how was "the government" not better prepared for this? FEMA had scenarios about this, and now we find out that there is still plenty that they cannot do. Why? |
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I'm sure this has been posted before, but it couldn't hurt to post it again. It has links to resources for victims, people looking to help, and people looking for missing loved ones.
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It is pretty obvious that a great many people knew this was a possibility. Hell, I lived there ten years ago and people knew it. So, why weren't we better prepared? Good question, and one that probably won't ever be fully answered, but will be analyzed pretty heavily. I guess I'm not as suprised as others that we weren't prepared for this. Yes, we knew it was a distinct possibility, but would we realistically prepared for such a catastrophic event, and stayed at the ready to deal with it? Not likely. Better prepared, yes. Prepared? No way in hell.
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Geez, WWL does so much better coverage. You can tell the concern and awe is genuine, even if it's local quality news. Now they're just showing some video they just got in from the Mississippi coast where it's a neighborhood with big, rich houses and if not for things like a pool in the backyard or maybe fine tile floors, you'd never know there were houses there. The anchors are just in awe and the video is just mind boggling: "There are no landmarks or anything there- it's impossible to tell where it was taken"
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A valid question and one I'm sure will be analyzed quite extensively. My guess is that there is simply no way to prepare for a disaster of this scope. Could they have been better prepared? Of course, but to call the lack of preparation inexcusable is just a bit off base, IMO. I don't necessarily disagree with your sentiment, but rather your delivery.
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