The Official 2007 NFL Draft Thread - Page 17

Turd Ferguson · 04-28-2007, 08:39 PM

Well, Izulde, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree...

cthomer5000 · 04-28-2007, 08:40 PM

plus Weinke was what... 29 or some shit when he came out?

TazFTW · 04-28-2007, 08:41 PM

James Marten to the Cowboys. Not bad but not a WR or a CB.

Turd Ferguson · 04-28-2007, 08:43 PM

little known fact, Weinke was actually 47 when drafted...

timmynausea · 04-28-2007, 08:43 PM

Beck reminds me of Marc Bulger: Really accurate, smart and throws a great intermediate ball but lacks the arm strength to be among the elite QBs. I think he could do well in the right system.

Izulde · 04-28-2007, 08:44 PM

Yeah Weinke was 28 or 29 and point taken on older players. I hope Ginn and Beck do turn out, of course, but I'm just saying, at this point in time I have serious misgivings on both.

bosshogg23 · 04-28-2007, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrith

Not every older QB that comes out in the draft is going to be Chris Weinke :P Weinke was one player, he's not exactly a huge statistical sample.

I agree, Beck seems to be way ahead of where Weinke was at. The list of potential fill in QBs/backup QBs in this draft is huge.

cthomer5000 · 04-28-2007, 08:46 PM

also, i didnt realize Weinke was still on a roster... amazing

Izulde · 04-28-2007, 08:46 PM

I love this question on the ESPN.com Draft Chat:

"How come guys like Troy Smith and Chris Leak aren't getting drafted yet?"

st.cronin · 04-28-2007, 08:47 PM

I saw Beck a couple of times in college, and never thought he was any kind of prospect. What the heck do I know though.

bosshogg23 · 04-28-2007, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

I saw Beck a couple of times in college, and never thought he was any kind of prospect. What the heck do I know though.

I saw Pennington throw to Moss a few times in college, thought Pennington was a total throw away QB, not worth a pick. I was a bit wrong on that one.

Turd Ferguson · 04-28-2007, 08:52 PM

Dolphins 3rd rounder, not happy with this one, RB Lorenzo Booker, FSU...ugh.

Izulde · 04-28-2007, 08:54 PM

Eh, I'm not that upset about Booker. I think he can spell Brown when Ronnie needs a break. Granted, there's probably better running backs still on the board, but anything that can prolong Ronnie's career is good.

Turd Ferguson · 04-28-2007, 08:59 PM

Yeah, that's kinda what I mean. I definitely preferred Pittman over Booker if we had to go RB in the 3rd, but I would have liked them to wait and look at Bush from Louisville if he were avail. in the 4th, despite the injury issues.

I thought we could have looked at upgrading the secondary at this point.

Izulde · 04-28-2007, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Turd Ferguson

Yeah, that's kinda what I mean. I definitely preferred Pittman over Booker if we had to go RB in the 3rd, but I would have liked them to wait and look at Bush from Louisville if he were avail. in the 4th, despite the injury issues.

I thought we could have looked at upgrading the secondary at this point.

I agree that we need to upgrade the secondary, but isn't Pittman the same style runner as Brown? I think Booker is better as a change of pace option.

bosshogg23 · 04-28-2007, 09:09 PM

Comcast Sports Network says, "Drafting a QB sends a message to McNabb, he needs to show up this year or he is gone".

McNabb was a top 3 QB before he was injured last year, most objective statistical analysis shows this. I really hope that the Comcast idiots are way off base.

RedKingGold · 04-28-2007, 09:12 PM

WR Jason Hill goes to the 49er's (4.32 timed)

Have I mentioned that I love how my team is drafting this year?

Honolulu_Blue · 04-28-2007, 09:13 PM

While I can't complain about the Calvin Johnson pick, I've found the rest of the Lions' first day rather... blah.

Turd Ferguson · 04-28-2007, 09:14 PM

Pittman is not your typical 3rd down back, I just think he's a better back overall compared to Booker. Since Ricky's future is still uncertain, I'd have liked us to go with the best overall player at RB (though I didn't want to go RB at all). I feel that the best avail. was Pittman (or a healthy Michael Bush).

Another reason I don't love the pick is Ronnie's durability. Ronnie has yet to show he's durable enough to carry us throughout an entire season. Pittman could start in case of an injury, I have doubts that Booker would be effective in a starting role. That said, I like the Booker pick a lot more if Ricky comes back in playing form. Ricky, Ronnie and Booker would make for a good group.

Turd Ferguson · 04-28-2007, 09:16 PM

Dola

I agree RedKing, Jason Hill was an awesome pick for the Niners.

Izulde · 04-28-2007, 09:19 PM

Yeah, I'd say San Francisco has had the best Day One.

bosshogg23 · 04-28-2007, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

While I can't complain about the Calvin Johnson pick, I've found the rest of the Lions' first day rather... blah.

Im with ya. I don't disagree with the positions too much, I disagree with the actual picks. It appears alot of players with "football character" were available to be picked.

st.cronin · 04-28-2007, 09:24 PM

That's like 8 of 9 picks on wide receivers.

Schmidty · 04-28-2007, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by bosshogg23

Im with ya. I don't disagree with the positions too much, I disagree with the actual picks. It appears alot of players with "football character" were available to be picked.

You don't think Drew Stanton has "football character"? Wow.

M GO BLUE!!! · 04-28-2007, 09:27 PM

Why is Siler still available?

RedKingGold · 04-28-2007, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by HiFiRevival

McNabb has never been more than borderline for a top 3 QB. Manning, Brady, Brees, Palmer and Rivers were all playing as well or better than McNabb last year. He's below the top tier for accuracy with only one season that snuck over the 60% completion rate. Until he had TO he struggled to get to a 2-1 TD/INT ratio. His ypa has gone up the last few years, but we're still talking about a good to very good QB who has had injury issues the last two years and is now 30 years old. That's not good for a guy who clearly isn't a natural in the pocket and has to use his feet to bring his best to the game. I'll agree that Philly picked too early for a QB, but it isn't like they don't need a good, young prospect there.

Enough said. When you call a quarterback among the best in the position, even if top five or top ten, that's good enough.

How many quarterbacks would you take over a healthy McNabb?

Tyrith · 04-28-2007, 09:44 PM

The talk of replacing McNabb just seems laughable to me. He's a perennial Pro Bowler -- there are about 20 teams that would love to be in Philly's position right now. He does have a bit of an injury bug, so having a backup with some potential would be nice in the long term -- Feely and, to a lesser extent, Holcomb are both scrubs. It's more the choice of the quarterback than the position that seems weird to me.

bosshogg23 · 04-28-2007, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by RedKingGold

Enough said. When you call a quarterback among the best in the position, even if top five or top ten, that's good enough.

How many quarterbacks would you take over a healthy McNabb?

I live in Philadelphia but am NOT an Eagles fan. Eagles fans really dislike McNabb, in fact I would say most hate him. I don't get it but most fans won't be happy with McNabb this year.

JAG · 04-28-2007, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by bosshogg23

I live in Philadelphia but am NOT an Eagles fan. Eagles fans really dislike McNabb, in fact I would say most hate him. I don't get it but most fans won't be happy with McNabb this year.

We've been waiting for you in #fofc to discuss Detroit's 4th selection of a WR in the top 10 of the draft in the past 5 years...

bosshogg23 · 04-28-2007, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JAG

We've been waiting for you in #fofc to discuss Detroit's 4th selection of a WR in the top 10 of the draft in the past 5 years...

Aint gonna happen Jag. Ive been home 3 days in the past 60 days.....my mother in law is requiring constant care.

I also refuse to dl bullshit on other peoples puters.......so i check email, news, newspapers, thats its.

RedKingGold · 04-28-2007, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by bosshogg23

I live in Philadelphia but am NOT an Eagles fan. Eagles fans really dislike McNabb, in fact I would say most hate him. I don't get it but most fans won't be happy with McNabb this year.

I too live in Philadelphia and Eagle fans like McNabb the way they like all of their players. When a player plays great in Philly, everyone loves him. When he sucks, he wish he'd die. When he leaves after doing well, we call him gay (see Jeff Garcia).

Buccaneer · 04-28-2007, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

You don't think Drew Stanton has "football character"? Wow.

There's those glasses again.

bosshogg23 · 04-28-2007, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RedKingGold

I too live in Philadelphia and Eagle fans like McNabb the way they like all of their players. When a player plays great in Philly, everyone loves him. When he sucks, he wish he'd die. When he leaves after doing well, we call him gay (see Jeff Garcia).

How many LOCAL commercials has McNabb done? 0

Garcia has done several for the car dealership......its sad

Eaglesfan27 · 04-28-2007, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by bosshogg23

I live in Philadelphia but am NOT an Eagles fan. Eagles fans really dislike McNabb, in fact I would say most hate him. I don't get it but most fans won't be happy with McNabb this year.

Most Eagles' fans that I know don't dislike him. Most think he is the best QB we've had in our generation and consider him their favorite player. He is certainly one of my top 3 (along with Dawkins and Westbrook) and I would be very upset if the Eagles got rid of him. Of course, I don't see that happening which makes the 2nd round pick more of a head scratcher.

Izulde · 04-28-2007, 09:57 PM

Trent Edwards to Buffalo? Interesting.

bosshogg23 · 04-28-2007, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Most Eagles' fans that I know don't dislike him. Most think he is the best QB we've had in our generation and consider him their favorite player. He is certainly one of my top 3 (along with Dawkins and Westbrook) and I would be very upset if the Eagles got rid of him. Of course, I don't see that happening which makes the 2nd round pick more of a head scratcher.

Eaglesfan, I wish you were a majority of fans I hear from.

McNabb deserves to be recognized as a quality QB from the previous years.

He has NEVER been the best QB, but has consistently been a top 1/3 or so QB.

st.cronin · 04-28-2007, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Most Eagles' fans that I know don't dislike him. Most think he is the best QB we've had in our generation and consider him their favorite player. He is certainly one of my top 3 (along with Dawkins and Westbrook) and I would be very upset if the Eagles got rid of him. Of course, I don't see that happening which makes the 2nd round pick more of a head scratcher.

I think most Eagles fans think Cunningham > McNabb.

Eaglesfan27 · 04-28-2007, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

I think most Eagles fans think Cunningham > McNabb.

Not the ones I know.. Maybe South Jersey Philly Fans are different than fans actually in Philly. Shurg.

bosshogg23 · 04-28-2007, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Not the ones I know.. Maybe South Jersey Philly Fans are different than fans actually in Philly. Shurg.

I think most love Jaws, love Cunningham, and accept McNabb.

bosshogg23 · 04-28-2007, 10:07 PM

None of the above are REALLY loved Philadelphia loves to hate its players and its teams

Eaglesfan27 · 04-28-2007, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by bosshogg23

I think most love Jaws, love Cunningham, and accept McNabb.

Most of the fans I know blame Cunningham for his "me first" attitude that he frequently displayed and believe he is part of the reason we never won a Super Bowl with that ferocious defense we had. I like Cunningham, but I'd take McNabb over him any day of the week.

st.cronin · 04-28-2007, 10:11 PM

Wow, San Francisco is hitting home run after home run.

bosshogg23 · 04-28-2007, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Most of the fans I know blame Cunningham for his "me first" attitude that he frequently displayed and believe he is part of the reason we never won a Super Bowl with that ferocious defense we had. I like Cunningham, but I'd take McNabb over him any day of the week.

Pls dont use logic and wins to make an argument, you will confuse my neighbors.

RedKingGold · 04-28-2007, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Wow, San Francisco is hitting home run after home run.

Getting another borderline-first round talent from one of the Big Three Florida schools in the third round who fell because of serious knee issues. Who does that sound like??? (Hint: Frank Gore)

st.cronin · 04-28-2007, 10:25 PM

I like Indy's draft a lot, too. The rich get richer, and the poor go around in circles trying to figure out what to do.

Izulde · 04-28-2007, 10:27 PM

Johnnie Lee Higgins a Raider! Will jbmagic and Jeeber finally have something in common?

bosshogg23 · 04-28-2007, 10:28 PM

So which team drafted well aside from the top pick teams?

Izulde · 04-28-2007, 10:39 PM

I'd say San Francisco's a real safe bet, if you don't consider 11 a top pick.

Schmidty · 04-28-2007, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

There's those glasses again.

Honestly Buc, one of the thing everyone says is Drew's greatest strengths, is his football character. That's my only point.

04-28-2007, 08:41 PM	#803
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	James Marten to the Cowboys. Not bad but not a WR or a CB. __________________ "Teams don't want to make the trip anymore," says Hawaii coach June Jones. "They come here, we kick their ass, they go home." Fire Ron Lee.

04-28-2007, 08:44 PM	#806
Izulde Head Coach Join Date: Sep 2004	Yeah Weinke was 28 or 29 and point taken on older players. I hope Ginn and Beck do turn out, of course, but I'm just saying, at this point in time I have serious misgivings on both. __________________ 2006 Golden Scribe Nominee 2006 Golden Scribe Winner Best Non-Sport Dynasty: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty) Rookie Writer of the Year Dynasty of the Year: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty)

04-28-2007, 08:46 PM	#809
Izulde Head Coach Join Date: Sep 2004	I love this question on the ESPN.com Draft Chat: "How come guys like Troy Smith and Chris Leak aren't getting drafted yet?" __________________ 2006 Golden Scribe Nominee 2006 Golden Scribe Winner Best Non-Sport Dynasty: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty) Rookie Writer of the Year Dynasty of the Year: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty)

04-28-2007, 08:47 PM	#810
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I saw Beck a couple of times in college, and never thought he was any kind of prospect. What the heck do I know though. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

04-28-2007, 08:54 PM	#813
Izulde Head Coach Join Date: Sep 2004	Eh, I'm not that upset about Booker. I think he can spell Brown when Ronnie needs a break. Granted, there's probably better running backs still on the board, but anything that can prolong Ronnie's career is good. __________________ 2006 Golden Scribe Nominee 2006 Golden Scribe Winner Best Non-Sport Dynasty: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty) Rookie Writer of the Year Dynasty of the Year: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty)

04-28-2007, 08:39 PM	#801
Turd Ferguson Mascot Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: College Station, TX	Well, Izulde, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree...

04-28-2007, 08:43 PM	#804
Turd Ferguson Mascot Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: College Station, TX	little known fact, Weinke was actually 47 when drafted...

04-28-2007, 08:43 PM	#805
timmynausea College Starter Join Date: Dec 2002	Beck reminds me of Marc Bulger: Really accurate, smart and throws a great intermediate ball but lacks the arm strength to be among the elite QBs. I think he could do well in the right system.

04-28-2007, 08:52 PM	#812
Turd Ferguson Mascot Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: College Station, TX	Dolphins 3rd rounder, not happy with this one, RB Lorenzo Booker, FSU...ugh.

04-28-2007, 08:59 PM	#814
Turd Ferguson Mascot Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: College Station, TX	Yeah, that's kinda what I mean. I definitely preferred Pittman over Booker if we had to go RB in the 3rd, but I would have liked them to wait and look at Bush from Louisville if he were avail. in the 4th, despite the injury issues. I thought we could have looked at upgrading the secondary at this point.

04-28-2007, 09:09 PM	#816
bosshogg23 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Philly	Comcast Sports Network says, "Drafting a QB sends a message to McNabb, he needs to show up this year or he is gone". McNabb was a top 3 QB before he was injured last year, most objective statistical analysis shows this. I really hope that the Comcast idiots are way off base.

04-28-2007, 09:12 PM	#817
RedKingGold College Starter Join Date: Oct 2002	WR Jason Hill goes to the 49er's (4.32 timed) Have I mentioned that I love how my team is drafting this year? Last edited by RedKingGold : 04-28-2007 at 09:15 PM.

04-28-2007, 09:13 PM	#818
Honolulu_Blue Hockey Boy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Royal Oak, MI	While I can't complain about the Calvin Johnson pick, I've found the rest of the Lions' first day rather... blah. __________________ *Steve Yzerman*: 1,755 points in 1,514 regular season games. 185 points in 196 postseason games. A First-Team All-Star, Conn Smythe Trophy winner, Selke Trophy winner, Masterton Trophy winner, member of the Hockey Hall of Fame, Olympic gold medallist, and a three-time Stanley Cup Champion. Longest serving captain of one team in the history of the NHL (19 seasons).

04-28-2007, 09:14 PM	#819
Turd Ferguson Mascot Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: College Station, TX	Pittman is not your typical 3rd down back, I just think he's a better back overall compared to Booker. Since Ricky's future is still uncertain, I'd have liked us to go with the best overall player at RB (though I didn't want to go RB at all). I feel that the best avail. was Pittman (or a healthy Michael Bush). Another reason I don't love the pick is Ronnie's durability. Ronnie has yet to show he's durable enough to carry us throughout an entire season. Pittman could start in case of an injury, I have doubts that Booker would be effective in a starting role. That said, I like the Booker pick a lot more if Ricky comes back in playing form. Ricky, Ronnie and Booker would make for a good group.

04-28-2007, 09:16 PM	#820
Turd Ferguson Mascot Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: College Station, TX	Dola I agree RedKing, Jason Hill was an awesome pick for the Niners.

04-28-2007, 09:19 PM	#821
Izulde Head Coach Join Date: Sep 2004	Yeah, I'd say San Francisco has had the best Day One. __________________ 2006 Golden Scribe Nominee 2006 Golden Scribe Winner Best Non-Sport Dynasty: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty) Rookie Writer of the Year Dynasty of the Year: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty)

04-28-2007, 09:24 PM	#823
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	That's like 8 of 9 picks on wide receivers. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

04-28-2007, 09:27 PM	#825
M GO BLUE!!! Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2005	Why is Siler still available?

04-28-2007, 09:44 PM	#828
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	The talk of replacing McNabb just seems laughable to me. He's a perennial Pro Bowler -- there are about 20 teams that would love to be in Philly's position right now. He does have a bit of an injury bug, so having a backup with some potential would be nice in the long term -- Feely and, to a lesser extent, Holcomb are both scrubs. It's more the choice of the quarterback than the position that seems weird to me.

04-28-2007, 09:57 PM	#836
Izulde Head Coach Join Date: Sep 2004	Trent Edwards to Buffalo? Interesting. __________________ 2006 Golden Scribe Nominee 2006 Golden Scribe Winner Best Non-Sport Dynasty: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty) Rookie Writer of the Year Dynasty of the Year: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty)

04-28-2007, 10:07 PM	#841
bosshogg23 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Philly	None of the above are REALLY loved Philadelphia loves to hate its players and its teams Last edited by bosshogg23 : 04-28-2007 at 10:08 PM.

04-28-2007, 10:11 PM	#843
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Wow, San Francisco is hitting home run after home run. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

04-28-2007, 10:25 PM	#846
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I like Indy's draft a lot, too. The rich get richer, and the poor go around in circles trying to figure out what to do. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

04-28-2007, 10:27 PM	#847
Izulde Head Coach Join Date: Sep 2004	Johnnie Lee Higgins a Raider! Will jbmagic and Jeeber finally have something in common? __________________ 2006 Golden Scribe Nominee 2006 Golden Scribe Winner Best Non-Sport Dynasty: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty) Rookie Writer of the Year Dynasty of the Year: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty)

04-28-2007, 10:28 PM	#848
bosshogg23 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Philly	So which team drafted well aside from the top pick teams?

04-28-2007, 10:39 PM	#849
Izulde Head Coach Join Date: Sep 2004	I'd say San Francisco's a real safe bet, if you don't consider 11 a top pick. __________________ 2006 Golden Scribe Nominee 2006 Golden Scribe Winner Best Non-Sport Dynasty: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty) Rookie Writer of the Year Dynasty of the Year: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty)

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