WW XXIV: Treasure Hunt (GAME OVER!) - Page 17

Blade6119 · 02-23-2006, 11:49 AM

And since i did it on 4, i can only assume he was moving on AP4(which it said he was)...i cant imagine watching on 4 tells me he left on AP2...

Desnudo · 02-23-2006, 11:50 AM

That's the earliest I've ever died, I must be moving up in the world. At least I won't have to even begin to figure out how to put together a chart for this game. Good luck guys!

Blade6119 · 02-23-2006, 11:50 AM

Double dola
that was a dola above...comment at end of last page

Desnudo · 02-23-2006, 11:50 AM

No dola for you, sorry.

Blade6119 · 02-23-2006, 11:51 AM

And to kill sndvls and dig in C5 would be impossible if im not mistaken:

AP1:MOVE TO C5
AP2:MOVE TO C6(or double watch, but he would have been alerted to my presence and lost me according to the rules i believe)
AP3:KILL
AP4:MOVE TO C5
AP5:MOVE TO C5(its a river square, which=1 to enter two to exit...nothing was said it was different if you went backwards)..where would i have gotten to dig?

If i was the scourge

Ap1:STALK
AP2:STALK
AP3:STALK(takes 3 AP as per rules)
AP4:KILL
AP5: MOVE TO C5(fleet of foot would let me get to c5, but no dig)

So im waiting on the other person who was in C5 to support my claim it was 1 gold per dig...apparently that person doesnt want to help me....

path12 · 02-23-2006, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Blade6119

And to kill sndvls and dig in C5 would be impossible if im not mistaken:

AP1:MOVE TO C5
AP2:MOVE TO C6(or double watch, but he would have been alerted to my presence and lost me according to the rules i believe)
AP3:KILL
AP4:MOVE TO C5
AP5:MOVE TO C5(its a river square, which=1 to enter two to exit...nothing was said it was different if you went backwards)..where would i have gotten to dig?

If i was the scourge

Ap1:STALK
AP2:STALK
AP3:STALK(takes 3 AP as per rules)
AP4:KILL
AP5: MOVE TO C5(fleet of foot would let me get to c5, but no dig)

So im waiting on the other person who was in C5 to support my claim it was 1 gold per dig...apparently that person doesnt want to help me....

The river square only costs 2 if you're going through it. To enter it and leave from the same side is just 1 as I understand it. You can try again though -- and don't forget that extra fleet of foot move.

saldana · 02-23-2006, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Blade6119

DID YOU WATCH ANYONE?? DO it tonight, and you will be notified of your results..i watched on AP4, so i was told...come on saldana, why would barkeep have me watch and then not tell me the results?

funny, i got the information about ardent being in my square just because he was in my square....i walked for 4 ap and dug for 1, and still knew what you are saying you had to spend an AP to find out....."we're sorry, your call could not be completed as dialed, please check the number and dial again"

keep trying though....this is amusing to me

saldana · 02-23-2006, 11:58 AM

dola, damn it Path.....stop posting the same things as me 20 seconds before i do!!!

saldana · 02-23-2006, 11:59 AM

double dola, i gotta go to work, so i am out til at least 6.

Blade6119 · 02-23-2006, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by path12

The river square only costs 2 if you're going through it. To enter it and leave from the same side is just 1 as I understand it. You can try again though -- and don't forget that extra fleet of foot move.

I understand it differently, but its all good. Im heading to classes for most of the day now, so due to this i must bid you adieu...lock me up, whatever...ive told you who not to trust, and that is that. Im long past earning any trust by anything but jailing, so frankly im a bit happy to go. Have a good time jailing me everyone, hope you guys take my advice on players and stop jailing good guys...three villagers will have died by the time you find out my role...after night actions tonight..and im the stupid one?

Anywho, have a good day you guys, best of luck in your decisions the rest of the game. Thanks again to the person who freed me, i wont give you up(even if i dont know if your a swashbuckler or TH)...i guess i owe you one

Blade6119 · 02-23-2006, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by saldana

funny, i got the information about ardent being in my square just because he was in my square....i walked for 4 ap and dug for 1, and still knew what you are saying you had to spend an AP to find out....."we're sorry, your call could not be completed as dialed, please check the number and dial again"

keep trying though....this is amusing to me

Did it tell you what he was doing though? Did it tell you he was digging or moving? I didnt think so...you guys amuse me too, shame it has to end

Poli · 02-23-2006, 12:20 PM

I still don't follow how saldana and I were digging in the same spot when I wasn't aware of it. I still don't care for this stupid game.

Vote blade6119

Vince · 02-23-2006, 01:04 PM

On the contrary, I love this game

Maybe it's just because I've been out of Werewolf games for a while...but I love the dynamic that it isn't solely vote for X person -- we ALL have ulterior motives (getting gold).

Hrm...the only thing I worry about is a contingency of Pirates who have forsaken the Mercenary route, and decided to just kill us all. They could have pooled their gold on day one, and paid to bail out Blade, even though he's an innocent. That buys another night of them all being out of jail. Not saying it's true...but it could be.

I'm off to work (and I might not even be late, yay!), but this pretty much has to be done.

Vote Blade6119

Qwikshot · 02-23-2006, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

I still don't follow how saldana and I were digging in the same spot when I wasn't aware of it. I still don't care for this stupid game.

Vote blade6119

I believe that if more than one person is in one spot doesn't neccessarily mean you will see the other player.

pennywisesb · 02-23-2006, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Qwikshot

I believe that if more than one person is in one spot doesn't neccessarily mean you will see the other player.

I can vouch for this. I saw AlanT on day one but he did not see me.

path12 · 02-23-2006, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vince

Hrm...the only thing I worry about is a contingency of Pirates who have forsaken the Mercenary route, and decided to just kill us all. They could have pooled their gold on day one, and paid to bail out Blade, even though he's an innocent. That buys another night of them all being out of jail. Not saying it's true...but it could be.

I worry about this some too, but at least they'd have to kill ALL of us instead of just getting down to a 1:1 ratio. I've gotta think that's a tough goal to reach.

Poli · 02-23-2006, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince

On the contrary, I love this game

I probably would. I thought I was doing the right thing yesterday. Thought I was helping out. Now it appears because barkeep messed up I'm being hung out to dry.

Fine. Whatever. I've got more important things to deal with anyway.

Poli · 02-23-2006, 02:04 PM

Ping: Grammaticus

You can have my spot for all I care.

Blade6119 · 02-23-2006, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

I worry about this some too, but at least they'd have to kill ALL of us instead of just getting down to a 1:1 ratio. I've gotta think that's a tough goal to reach.

They hit 1-1 its already over...basically they kill every night and during the day they pick who goes to jail...esp. less then 1-1...they have 3-2 or whatever, you can do nothing to stop them...kill everyone and 1-1 are the same thing, just add 1 day....and if the numbers get that low your not hitting 100 gold to stop them...just saying, its not really all that tough with the way things are going right now(3 villagers dead before you jail me for good, and even then thats another villager...so basically 3 days down and your at square one again...)

Blade6119 · 02-23-2006, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Sign-ups
~~1. SnDvls~~ Killed Morning 1
2. Blade6119
~~3. Desnudo~~ Killed Morning 2
4. path12
5. Alan_T
6. pennywisesb
7. hoopsguy
8. Raiders Army
9. saldana
10. KWhit
11. Qwikshot
12. Grammaticus
13. TazFTW
14. kingfc22
15. ardent enthusiast
16. schmidty
18. Vince

Thought i would post this just in case people forgot who was playing...some of them havent said more then like 2 words since this game started(schmidty, taz, gramat, king)....i dont know if they are bad like i do hoops, but just laughing at the irony...1/4th of the alive players arent helping at all and no one seems to notice...god bless you guys

Blade6119 · 02-23-2006, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Ping: Grammaticus

You can have my spot for all I care.

Dola, gramat is playing...so he cant have your spot...yes, he has contributed that little

KWhit · 02-23-2006, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Thought i would post this just in case people forgot who was playing...some of them havent said more then like 2 words since this game started(schmidty, taz, gramat, king)....i dont know if they are bad like i do hoops, but just laughing at the irony...1/4th of the alive players arent helping at all and no one seems to notice...god bless you guys

If you are a TH, you certainly haven't helped us by lying to all of us.

TazFTW · 02-23-2006, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Blade6119

Thought i would post this just in case people forgot who was playing...some of them havent said more then like 2 words since this game started(schmidty, taz, gramat, king)

Are you freakin' kidding me?!?!

Blade6119 · 02-23-2006, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

If you are a TH, you certainly haven't helped us by lying to all of us.

I lied to all of you non-stop last game, and was i not helping you guys? I spoon-fed three to you guys, and had a 4th pegged...just becuase someone lies doesnt mean their not helping. And i got caught in lie after lie last game...you of all people should see that, unless you are chosing to overlook it for some reason

Blade6119 · 02-23-2006, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TazFTW

Are you freakin' kidding me?!?!

You have more then the others, granted...i lumped you in, i aplogize...but are you going to say the other three have been posting even at a normal rate?

TazFTW · 02-23-2006, 02:27 PM

BID 1 GOLD

Blade6119 · 02-23-2006, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blade6119

You have more then the others, granted...i lumped you in, i aplogize...but are you going to say the other three have been posting even at a normal rate?

DOLA, NM...i should apologize to king, not you....the bottom 4 reads like this(from bottom to top):
Scmidty, gramat, penny, taz)...king is almost double anyone in that group in posts...

So no taz, im not freaking kidding you

TazFTW · 02-23-2006, 02:28 PM

VOTE BLADE

Blade6119 · 02-23-2006, 02:30 PM

LOL, good old taz...you guys really do crack me up

KWhit · 02-23-2006, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blade6119

LOL, good old taz...you guys really do crack me up

You're obviously pissed off to be receiving votes.

Word of advice: look at your own play and don't criticize everyone else's.

Blade6119 · 02-23-2006, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KWhit

You're obviously pissed off to be receiving votes.

Word of advice: look at your own play and don't criticize everyone else's.

Quick question, who did i criticize? Ive come to terms with the fact im getting jailed...and after being pissed off yesterday i could care less today. The second i got bailed i knew it was going to happen. Im just laughing that about an actual fact(want post total numbers?) out loud. Ive admitted i played a poor game. I dont know what, other then you being blind with your dislike of me, you fail to miss. Just like you chose to ignore the fact i played the exact same way last game and was totally on the villagers side...its comical, i know before you guys even act whos going to do what in response to my moves. Taz will stay quiet and get pissed the second someone brings him up(i think he studied at the school of schmidty), while you will do your own thing and ignore any posts i make that actually make sense...i love it, if im going to jail i want to have fun laughing at you oblivious idiots first

KWhit · 02-23-2006, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Quick question, who did i criticize? Ive come to terms with the fact im getting jailed...and after being pissed off yesterday i could care less today. The second i got bailed i knew it was going to happen. Im just laughing that about an actual fact(want post total numbers?) out loud. Ive admitted i played a poor game. I dont know what, other then you being blind with your dislike of me, you fail to miss. Just like you chose to ignore the fact i played the exact same way last game and was totally on the villagers side...its comical, i know before you guys even act whos going to do what in response to my moves. Taz will stay quiet and get pissed the second someone brings him up(i think he studied at the school of schmidty), while you will do your own thing and ignore any posts i make that actually make sense...i love it, if im going to jail i want to have fun laughing at you oblivious idiots first

Classy.

path12 · 02-23-2006, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Quick question, who did i criticize?

...i love it, if im going to jail i want to have fun laughing at you oblivious idiots first

Your immaturity really shows sometimes. Maybe you should realize something -- we are all here because of a love for text-based simulations . That's a pretty smart group to begin with, so maybe you might want to rethink who you're calling idiots.

TazFTW · 02-23-2006, 02:51 PM

So was anyone watching Ardent this morning?

path12 · 02-23-2006, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TazFTW

So was anyone watching Ardent this morning?

I wasn't. That's kind of why I was curious earlier though as to who else headed west and if they saw anyone.

KWhit · 02-23-2006, 03:11 PM

Bid 2 Gold.

TazFTW · 02-23-2006, 03:13 PM

Well I stayed in town and I didn't see anyone in the squares I were in.

TazFTW · 02-23-2006, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

Bid 2 Gold.

Damn it.

KWhit · 02-23-2006, 03:15 PM

Sorry. It's probably worthless anyway.

TazFTW · 02-23-2006, 03:19 PM

Not if it is a winning powerball ticket. Or a Willy Wonka golden ticket. Mmmm chocolate...

Raiders Army · 02-23-2006, 03:21 PM

I'm sorry, but I've been out for the day. Tomorrow is no better. I may have to back out of this game due to work. If you guys can stand some inactivity from me for one more day, I'll gut it out.

Raiders Army · 02-23-2006, 03:21 PM

I'm going to have to read up when I get home too...

path12 · 02-23-2006, 03:22 PM

This is reminding me:

Give hoops 1 gold

KWhit · 02-23-2006, 03:22 PM

Gut it out. Sounds like AE may quit. We need all the players we can get.

KWhit · 02-23-2006, 03:29 PM

Gotta run, guys. I'll be back around later on.

Schmidty · 02-23-2006, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Thought i would post this just in case people forgot who was playing...some of them havent said more then like 2 words since this game started(schmidty, taz, gramat, king)....i dont know if they are bad like i do hoops, but just laughing at the irony...1/4th of the alive players arent helping at all and no one seems to notice...god bless you guys

I have no idea why I'm on that list. I've posted more than two words if you actually look back. You always LOOK for trouble, so here's some for ya:

Vote Blade

TazFTW · 02-23-2006, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by path12

This is reminding me:

Give hoops 1 gold

I don't think that is how it works. I think you can only give during a morning action.

Which brings up Desnudo's death. He mentioned he had 2 gold to give to KWhit. Could he have been killed for his gold? He died in E5, which is 1 square from the start. An early death?

But if it was for gold, why wasn't hoops killed? He said he had 4 gold to view the evidence locker.

Schmidty · 02-23-2006, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Quick question, who did i criticize? Ive come to terms with the fact im getting jailed...and after being pissed off yesterday i could care less today. The second i got bailed i knew it was going to happen. Im just laughing that about an actual fact(want post total numbers?) out loud. Ive admitted i played a poor game. I dont know what, other then you being blind with your dislike of me, you fail to miss. Just like you chose to ignore the fact i played the exact same way last game and was totally on the villagers side...its comical, i know before you guys even act whos going to do what in response to my moves. Taz will stay quiet and get pissed the second someone brings him up(i think he studied at the school of schmidty), while you will do your own thing and ignore any posts i make that actually make sense...i love it, if im going to jail i want to have fun laughing at you oblivious idiots first

You have problems in your life, don't you.

Grow the hell up.

pennywisesb · 02-23-2006, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TazFTW

Which brings up Desnudo's death. He mentioned he had 2 gold to give to KWhit. Could he have been killed for his gold? He died in E5, which is 1 square from the start. An early death?

But if it was for gold, why wasn't hoops killed? He said he had 4 gold to view the evidence locker.

This struck me as odd as well. I don't think Desnudo did anything other than mention the amount of gold he had that would have gotten him killed. In my mind this would clear KWit for the time being, because Desnudo was going to give him the gold anyway, so there'd be no reason to kill him.

TazFTW · 02-23-2006, 04:21 PM

So then hoops not being killed could mean that

a) hoops is a pirate
b) hoops is being framed as a pirate (the pirates would want us to come to the conclusion that hoops is a pirate)
c) hoops wasn't seen by the pirate with the knife (a well placed hide command/dumb luck)

02-23-2006, 11:49 AM	#801
Blade6119 Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona	And since i did it on 4, i can only assume he was moving on AP4(which it said he was)...i cant imagine watching on 4 tells me he left on AP2... __________________ *Underachievement* The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the lawnmower. *Despair* It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black. *Demotivation* Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of the unhappy people. http://www.despair.com/viewall.html

02-23-2006, 11:50 AM	#803
Blade6119 Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona	Double dola that was a dola above...comment at end of last page __________________ *Underachievement* The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the lawnmower. *Despair* It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black. *Demotivation* Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of the unhappy people. http://www.despair.com/viewall.html

02-23-2006, 11:51 AM	#805
Blade6119 Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona	And to kill sndvls and dig in C5 would be impossible if im not mistaken: AP1:MOVE TO C5 AP2:MOVE TO C6(or double watch, but he would have been alerted to my presence and lost me according to the rules i believe) AP3:KILL AP4:MOVE TO C5 AP5:MOVE TO C5(its a river square, which=1 to enter two to exit...nothing was said it was different if you went backwards)..where would i have gotten to dig? If i was the scourge Ap1:STALK AP2:STALK AP3:STALK(takes 3 AP as per rules) AP4:KILL AP5: MOVE TO C5(fleet of foot would let me get to c5, but no dig) So im waiting on the other person who was in C5 to support my claim it was 1 gold per dig...apparently that person doesnt want to help me.... __________________ *Underachievement* The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the lawnmower. *Despair* It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black. *Demotivation* Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of the unhappy people. http://www.despair.com/viewall.html

02-23-2006, 12:20 PM	#812
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	I still don't follow how saldana and I were digging in the same spot when I wasn't aware of it. I still don't care for this stupid game. Vote blade6119 __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

02-23-2006, 01:04 PM	#813
Vince Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Willow Glen, CA	On the contrary, I love this game Maybe it's just because I've been out of Werewolf games for a while...but I love the dynamic that it isn't solely vote for X person -- we ALL have ulterior motives (getting gold). Hrm...the only thing I worry about is a contingency of Pirates who have forsaken the Mercenary route, and decided to just kill us all. They could have pooled their gold on day one, and paid to bail out Blade, even though he's an innocent. That buys another night of them all being out of jail. Not saying it's true...but it could be. I'm off to work (and I might not even be late, yay!), but this pretty much has to be done. Vote Blade6119 __________________ Every time a Dodger scores a run, an angel has its wings ripped off by a demon, and is forced to tearfully beg the demon to cauterize the wounds.The demon will refuse, and the sobbing angel will lie in a puddle of angel blood and feathers for eternity, wondering why the Dodgers are allowed to score runs.That’s not me talking: that’s science. McCoveyChronicles.com.

02-23-2006, 11:50 AM	#802
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	That's the earliest I've ever died, I must be moving up in the world. At least I won't have to even begin to figure out how to put together a chart for this game. Good luck guys!

02-23-2006, 11:50 AM	#804
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	No dola for you, sorry.

02-23-2006, 11:58 AM	#808
saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	dola, damn it Path.....stop posting the same things as me 20 seconds before i do!!!

02-23-2006, 11:59 AM	#809
saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	double dola, i gotta go to work, so i am out til at least 6.

02-23-2006, 02:04 PM	#818
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Ping: Grammaticus You can have my spot for all I care. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

02-23-2006, 02:27 PM	#826
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	BID 1 GOLD __________________ "Teams don't want to make the trip anymore," says Hawaii coach June Jones. "They come here, we kick their ass, they go home." Fire Ron Lee.

02-23-2006, 02:28 PM	#828
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	VOTE BLADE __________________ "Teams don't want to make the trip anymore," says Hawaii coach June Jones. "They come here, we kick their ass, they go home." Fire Ron Lee.

02-23-2006, 02:30 PM	#829
Blade6119 Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona	LOL, good old taz...you guys really do crack me up __________________ *Underachievement* The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the lawnmower. *Despair* It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black. *Demotivation* Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of the unhappy people. http://www.despair.com/viewall.html

02-23-2006, 02:51 PM	#834
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	So was anyone watching Ardent this morning? __________________ "Teams don't want to make the trip anymore," says Hawaii coach June Jones. "They come here, we kick their ass, they go home." Fire Ron Lee.

02-23-2006, 03:11 PM	#836
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Bid 2 Gold.

02-23-2006, 03:13 PM	#837
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	Well I stayed in town and I didn't see anyone in the squares I were in. __________________ "Teams don't want to make the trip anymore," says Hawaii coach June Jones. "They come here, we kick their ass, they go home." Fire Ron Lee.

02-23-2006, 03:15 PM	#839
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Sorry. It's probably worthless anyway.

02-23-2006, 03:19 PM	#840
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	Not if it is a winning powerball ticket. Or a Willy Wonka golden ticket. Mmmm chocolate... __________________ "Teams don't want to make the trip anymore," says Hawaii coach June Jones. "They come here, we kick their ass, they go home." Fire Ron Lee.

02-23-2006, 03:21 PM	#841
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	I'm sorry, but I've been out for the day. Tomorrow is no better. I may have to back out of this game due to work. If you guys can stand some inactivity from me for one more day, I'll gut it out.

02-23-2006, 03:21 PM	#842
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	I'm going to have to read up when I get home too...

02-23-2006, 03:22 PM	#843
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	This is reminding me: Give hoops 1 gold __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

02-23-2006, 03:22 PM	#844
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Gut it out. Sounds like AE may quit. We need all the players we can get.

02-23-2006, 03:29 PM	#845
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Gotta run, guys. I'll be back around later on.

02-23-2006, 04:21 PM	#850
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	So then hoops not being killed could mean that a) hoops is a pirate b) hoops is being framed as a pirate (the pirates would want us to come to the conclusion that hoops is a pirate) c) hoops wasn't seen by the pirate with the knife (a well placed hide command/dumb luck) __________________ "Teams don't want to make the trip anymore," says Hawaii coach June Jones. "They come here, we kick their ass, they go home." Fire Ron Lee.

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