Werewolf XX - Of Demons and Elementals (Humans Win!) - Page 17

TazFTW · 01-01-2006, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Taz, how do you think ties play out? What are you basing your thought process on?

My thought process is my role. I break ties.

st.cronin · 01-01-2006, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I think that's unlikely. There were most likely 3 elementals max to start, and most seem to think there were 2. Since we already know 1, I can't believe that whole list is elementals. I could see SnDvls and Cronin being elementals with Hoops being a demon, but from what we know about the elementals it seems unlikely that they would meddle so much in mere human affairs.

If you think SnDvls is an elemental, you may be able to make sense of what I'm suggesting.

Note: I don't think SnDvls is an elemental. I'm just saying it may be helpful to pretend he is in order to understand me.

Passacaglia · 01-01-2006, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I think that's unlikely. There were most likely 3 elementals max to start, and most seem to think there were 2. Since we already know 1, I can't believe that whole list is elementals. I could see SnDvls and Cronin being elementals with Hoops being a demon, but from what we know about the elementals it seems unlikely that they would meddle so much in mere human affairs.

Doh! I forgot about dacman. I thought there were 2 as well, but this circle made me think there might have been 3. I doubt there's 4, also. But I think elementals want to meddle in human affairs -- just like demons would.

Passacaglia · 01-01-2006, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TazFTW

My thought process is my role. I break ties.

So we have two tie-breakers? Weird.

st.cronin · 01-01-2006, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

So we have two tie-breakers? Weird.

Or, 1 tiebreaker, and 1 liar.

Or, 2 liars.

Barkeep49 · 01-01-2006, 02:49 PM

Coffee I see you lurking in the thread. What time is the deadline tomorrow?

Barkeep49 · 01-01-2006, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Or, 1 tiebreaker, and 1 liar.

Or, 2 liars.

WVU can't be lying. We've seen him use his power.

Blade made an assumption about the tie breaking. I thought at the time it was a bad assumption and still do.

However, I'm still unclear how Taz could be telling the truth. How COULD there be two tie breakers when we already know WVU is one. Seems like an odd thing to lie about, though.

hoopsguy · 01-01-2006, 02:52 PM

Taz, if you are the tie-breaker, then what does WVUfans role reveal mean to you? Are you calling BS on it or is there room for both of you to play a role in this process?

st.cronin · 01-01-2006, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

WVU can't be lying. We've seen him use his power.

Blade made an assumption about the tie breaking. I thought at the time it was a bad assumption and still do.

However, I'm still unclear how Taz could be telling the truth. How COULD there be two tie breakers when we already know WVU is one. Seems like an odd thing to lie about, though.

You're right - I just reread that lynch description. I forgot it was that explicit. It's possible it's a one time thing, that moves from one player to the next.

TazFTW · 01-01-2006, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

WVU can't be lying. We've seen him use his power.

Blade made an assumption about the tie breaking. I thought at the time it was a bad assumption and still do.

However, I'm still unclear how Taz could be telling the truth. How COULD there be two tie breakers when we already know WVU is one. Seems like an odd thing to lie about, though.

You're assuming WVUFAN still has that power and it was not a one time shot.

I knew that WVUFAN was on the up and up when he revealed his role because it collaborated with my role. I have a tie breaking power that was passive. I knew from my role decription that someone had a tie breaking power that took more precedence. WVUFAN turned out to be that someone. My tie breaking power is now active after WVUFAN used his.

I'll be more than happy to prove it if we can get a tie lynch vote.

Barkeep49 · 01-01-2006, 03:01 PM

Taz, without saying what, is there more to your role?

Coffee Warlord · 01-01-2006, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Coffee I see you lurking in the thread. What time is the deadline tomorrow?

Let's set the deadline for Noon Tomorrow (CST)

TazFTW · 01-01-2006, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Taz, without saying what, is there more to your role?

Nope. All I have is that tie breaking power.

Barkeep49 · 01-01-2006, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TazFTW

Nope. All I have is that tie breaking power.

Ok then. I call BS on your role.

Unvote Grammaticus

I will explain my reasoning in the next post.

Poli · 01-01-2006, 03:29 PM

Ugh. You guys are making my head hurt.

UNVOTE Barkeep

Poli · 01-01-2006, 03:29 PM

VOTE Grammaticus

Barkeep49 · 01-01-2006, 03:32 PM

Vote Taz

Every other role that we know about has a reasonable chance of being exercised. Quite simply this role does not. With the complexity of roles that have been given out, I find it hard to believe that this is one of them.

Further, I did my "Not a Demon" not because I think there is an empath, but in the hopes that the demons would be scared enough to believe that there is one to not do it. Taz has not done it. Combined with how quiet he's been and his absolutely terrible reasoning on Day 1, this is enough for me to vote for him.

TazFTW · 01-01-2006, 03:34 PM

Heh, fine with me. My role is so puny.

Barkeep49 · 01-01-2006, 03:34 PM

I still think there's a good possiblity that Gram is guilty as well. I just feel more confident about taz.

TazFTW · 01-01-2006, 03:36 PM

I'm also hoping that because my role is so small, that I get a good dead role.

TazFTW · 01-01-2006, 03:38 PM

dola

If I get a dead role with the power to kill from beyond the grave. Barkeep is so smited.

WVUFAN · 01-01-2006, 03:45 PM

Taz is telling the truth. My ability was one use only.

Just thought you guys might want to know before you lynch the wrong person.

VOTE GRAMMATICUS

TazFTW · 01-01-2006, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by WVUFAN

Taz is telling the truth. My ability was one use only.

Just thought you guys might want to know before you lynch the wrong person.

VOTE GRAMMATICUS

Oh snap!

hoopsguy · 01-01-2006, 03:46 PM

Ugh - villager willing to die is always nasty in these games, but particularly in one where demons are in as strong position as we are right now.

Taz, if you are a human then I really don't want us to lynch you regardless of the size of your role.

st.cronin · 01-01-2006, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TazFTW

dola

If I get a dead role with the power to kill from beyond the grave. Barkeep is so smited.

lol

Barkeep49 · 01-01-2006, 03:48 PM

Taz's giving up after 1 vote strikes me, as well, strange. I don't know what to quite make of it, truth be told.

WVUFAN · 01-01-2006, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Ugh - villager willing to die is always nasty in these games, but particularly in one where demons are in as strong position as we are right now.

Am I reading this right? Are you inferring you're a demon?

Barkeep49 · 01-01-2006, 03:51 PM

In fairness that would be less an infrence then an outright admission

st.cronin · 01-01-2006, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by WVUFAN

Am I reading this right? Are you inferring you're a demon?

That would be the most hilarious error ever if so. I assume it was just a compositional error.

hoopsguy · 01-01-2006, 03:58 PM

WVU, I'm not a demon. I had re-typed that post a couple of times and changed the tense on it.

I understand that everyone looks for something to pick up on as a clue, but this one is a bad typo/goof/whatever and not some smoking gun.

I would find this a lot more funny if I was a demon and was now trying to wiggle out of this situation. But not very amusing for me since I am a human. Sorry for muddying any waters here.

hoopsguy · 01-01-2006, 04:00 PM

I've been juggling between this and my BBCF dynasty for views/posting and perhaps I need to just work on one at a time ...

WVUFAN · 01-01-2006, 04:01 PM

Hoopsguy:

Believe me, I'm not one to harp on grammar or spelling mistakes on this board, given my past mistakes. Just wanted clarification

hoopsguy · 01-01-2006, 04:05 PM

SnDvls, since you are lurking in the thread - care to share your thoughts on Cronin's defense of you? Any insights into him, or thoughts on the last 100 or so posts?

SnDvls · 01-01-2006, 04:08 PM

okay I've gotten caught up.
lots of posts on a holiday.
Don't lynch me because others are saying I'm good. It stands to reason
there is a reason they belive I'm good, and it's not because we're bad.
I only have my vote on Blade because he keeps wanting villagers to out their
roles and it just isn't in the best interest of the villagers to be doing that.
Then today we have a few more role reveals. If it means I survive then sure I'll take it
off of him. Right now it doesn't seem to be an issue as we have plenty of time.

hoopsguy · 01-01-2006, 04:10 PM

Yep, just trying to attract viewers to the "Down with the Trojans!" saga. LOL, surprised it hasn't happened more over this weekend as I've had two windows open rotating between them.

SnDvls · 01-01-2006, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

SnDvls, since you are lurking in the thread - care to share your thoughts on Cronin's defense of you? Any insights into him, or thoughts on the last 100 or so posts?

see my last post as I just got caught up reading.

Like I said it's great St. C is defending me that makes me think he too is a villager, but I have no evidence one way or the other. I don't want to get lumped in with him and you as being a wolf/demon just because someone doesn't trust one of you and one of you trusts me if that is what you are asking.

SnDvls · 01-01-2006, 04:12 PM

dola -

Blade doesn't trust hoops & I

St. C trusts me
hoops kinda trust me

therefore Blade doesn't trust St. C/ hoops/ or I

did I catch all that from the mess of posts?

SnDvls · 01-01-2006, 04:13 PM

edit

last sentence should say

did I catch that right from all that from the mess of posts?

hoopsguy · 01-01-2006, 04:14 PM

SnDvls, I am not looking to be linked with you at this stage in the game, but it seems that through Cronin there is a transitive property of trust people are applying.

Right now I'm inclined to vote for Gram, but would like for him to have a chance to view/respond to the thread first.

Path is playing a very, very below the radar game right now.

SnDvls · 01-01-2006, 04:15 PM

I guess the easy thing to do is pile on Gram
right now since the person who is clearing me says vote for him.
That seems to be the right thing to do right now, but I want to see
what else is out there.

SnDvls · 01-01-2006, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

SnDvls, I am not looking to be linked with you at this stage in the game, but it seems that through Cronin there is a transitive property of trust people are applying.

Right now I'm inclined to vote for Gram, but would like for him to have a chance to view/respond to the thread first.

Path is playing a very, very below the radar game right now.

nor I to you....I'd love for WVU to hook me up though as we all know he's on the up and up.

I'm in the same boat on Gram as well, hench leaving my vote where it is.

hoopsguy · 01-01-2006, 04:19 PM

SnDvls, I have no reason to trust you. The fact that I'm saying we shoud not lynch Cronin doesn't mean that I will add his trusts to my trust list automatically.

But otherwise I think you have a pretty good breakdown of the posts pertaining to you recently.

Poli · 01-01-2006, 04:22 PM

I'm about to head up to Chicago. I'm trying to stay another night, but right now that looks, well, doubtful.

If that's the case, this is likely my last post until after the lynch.

hoopsguy · 01-01-2006, 04:23 PM

Guys that I would welcome some discussion upon:

Ardent - active poster who isn't appearing on anyone's suspicious lists. Why?

SnDvls - Cronin backs him. I don't want Cronin lynched, but otherwise have little read on SnDvls.

Passacaglia - anyone have a strong read on him?

Path12 - anyone have a strong read on him? Significantly more quiet than Passacaglia above.

Gram - targeted by Cronin, who views lynching him today as important.

Taz - willing to die, surrendering limited (new tie-breaker) role.

Barkeep - suggested he will be a -2 human if killed.

hoopsguy · 01-01-2006, 04:24 PM

I think there are three demons and a druid in the above list. If you believe Taz, and take him out of that list, then 3 demons out of 6 in that group.

Poli · 01-01-2006, 05:02 PM

I bought an hour stay. Not much, but something. I'm hoping for more, but we'll see.

hoopsguy · 01-01-2006, 05:05 PM

Glad to have you around a little longer, AE.

Is your vote on Grammaticus due to Cronin's warning or because you have other reasons for mistrusting him?

Poli · 01-01-2006, 05:42 PM

My vote is based on Cronin's warning, and with King's general mistrust.

hoopsguy · 01-01-2006, 05:46 PM

AE, any last-minute thoughts on the guys on my "discuss" list (including you)?

st.cronin · 01-01-2006, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

AE, any last-minute thoughts on the guys on my "discuss" list (including you)?

I would put Path as a definite potential demon.

01-01-2006, 03:29 PM	#815
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Ugh. You guys are making my head hurt. UNVOTE Barkeep __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

01-01-2006, 03:29 PM	#816
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	VOTE Grammaticus __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

01-01-2006, 04:22 PM	#843
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	I'm about to head up to Chicago. I'm trying to stay another night, but right now that looks, well, doubtful. If that's the case, this is likely my last post until after the lynch. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

01-01-2006, 05:02 PM	#846
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	I bought an hour stay. Not much, but something. I'm hoping for more, but we'll see. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

01-01-2006, 05:42 PM	#848
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	My vote is based on Cronin's warning, and with King's general mistrust. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

01-01-2006, 02:49 PM	#806
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Coffee I see you lurking in the thread. What time is the deadline tomorrow?

01-01-2006, 02:52 PM	#808
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Taz, if you are the tie-breaker, then what does WVUfans role reveal mean to you? Are you calling BS on it or is there room for both of you to play a role in this process?

01-01-2006, 03:01 PM	#811
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Taz, without saying what, is there more to your role?

01-01-2006, 03:32 PM	#817
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Vote Taz Every other role that we know about has a reasonable chance of being exercised. Quite simply this role does not. With the complexity of roles that have been given out, I find it hard to believe that this is one of them. Further, I did my "Not a Demon" not because I think there is an empath, but in the hopes that the demons would be scared enough to believe that there is one to not do it. Taz has not done it. Combined with how quiet he's been and his absolutely terrible reasoning on Day 1, this is enough for me to vote for him.

01-01-2006, 03:34 PM	#818
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	Heh, fine with me. My role is so puny.

01-01-2006, 03:34 PM	#819
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I still think there's a good possiblity that Gram is guilty as well. I just feel more confident about taz.

01-01-2006, 03:36 PM	#820
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	I'm also hoping that because my role is so small, that I get a good dead role.

01-01-2006, 03:38 PM	#821
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	dola If I get a dead role with the power to kill from beyond the grave. Barkeep is so smited.

01-01-2006, 03:45 PM	#822
WVUFAN College Starter Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Huntington, WV	Taz is telling the truth. My ability was one use only. Just thought you guys might want to know before you lynch the wrong person. VOTE GRAMMATICUS

01-01-2006, 03:46 PM	#824
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Ugh - villager willing to die is always nasty in these games, but particularly in one where demons are in as strong position as we are right now. Taz, if you are a human then I really don't want us to lynch you regardless of the size of your role.

01-01-2006, 03:48 PM	#826
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Taz's giving up after 1 vote strikes me, as well, strange. I don't know what to quite make of it, truth be told.

01-01-2006, 03:51 PM	#828
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	In fairness that would be less an infrence then an outright admission

01-01-2006, 03:58 PM	#830
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	WVU, I'm not a demon. I had re-typed that post a couple of times and changed the tense on it. I understand that everyone looks for something to pick up on as a clue, but this one is a bad typo/goof/whatever and not some smoking gun. I would find this a lot more funny if I was a demon and was now trying to wiggle out of this situation. But not very amusing for me since I am a human. Sorry for muddying any waters here.

01-01-2006, 04:00 PM	#831
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I've been juggling between this and my BBCF dynasty for views/posting and perhaps I need to just work on one at a time ...

01-01-2006, 04:01 PM	#832
WVUFAN College Starter Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Huntington, WV	Hoopsguy: Believe me, I'm not one to harp on grammar or spelling mistakes on this board, given my past mistakes. Just wanted clarification

01-01-2006, 04:05 PM	#833
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	SnDvls, since you are lurking in the thread - care to share your thoughts on Cronin's defense of you? Any insights into him, or thoughts on the last 100 or so posts?

01-01-2006, 04:08 PM	#834
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	okay I've gotten caught up. lots of posts on a holiday. Don't lynch me because others are saying I'm good. It stands to reason there is a reason they belive I'm good, and it's not because we're bad. I only have my vote on Blade because he keeps wanting villagers to out their roles and it just isn't in the best interest of the villagers to be doing that. Then today we have a few more role reveals. If it means I survive then sure I'll take it off of him. Right now it doesn't seem to be an issue as we have plenty of time.

01-01-2006, 04:10 PM	#835
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Yep, just trying to attract viewers to the "Down with the Trojans!" saga. LOL, surprised it hasn't happened more over this weekend as I've had two windows open rotating between them.

01-01-2006, 04:12 PM	#837
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	dola - Blade doesn't trust hoops & I St. C trusts me hoops kinda trust me therefore Blade doesn't trust St. C/ hoops/ or I did I catch all that from the mess of posts?

01-01-2006, 04:13 PM	#838
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	edit last sentence should say did I catch that right from all that from the mess of posts?

01-01-2006, 04:14 PM	#839
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	SnDvls, I am not looking to be linked with you at this stage in the game, but it seems that through Cronin there is a transitive property of trust people are applying. Right now I'm inclined to vote for Gram, but would like for him to have a chance to view/respond to the thread first. Path is playing a very, very below the radar game right now.

01-01-2006, 04:15 PM	#840
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	I guess the easy thing to do is pile on Gram right now since the person who is clearing me says vote for him. That seems to be the right thing to do right now, but I want to see what else is out there.

01-01-2006, 04:19 PM	#842
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	SnDvls, I have no reason to trust you. The fact that I'm saying we shoud not lynch Cronin doesn't mean that I will add his trusts to my trust list automatically. But otherwise I think you have a pretty good breakdown of the posts pertaining to you recently.

01-01-2006, 04:23 PM	#844
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Guys that I would welcome some discussion upon: Ardent - active poster who isn't appearing on anyone's suspicious lists. Why? SnDvls - Cronin backs him. I don't want Cronin lynched, but otherwise have little read on SnDvls. Passacaglia - anyone have a strong read on him? Path12 - anyone have a strong read on him? Significantly more quiet than Passacaglia above. Gram - targeted by Cronin, who views lynching him today as important. Taz - willing to die, surrendering limited (new tie-breaker) role. Barkeep - suggested he will be a -2 human if killed.

01-01-2006, 04:24 PM	#845
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I think there are three demons and a druid in the above list. If you believe Taz, and take him out of that list, then 3 demons out of 6 in that group.

01-01-2006, 05:05 PM	#847
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Glad to have you around a little longer, AE. Is your vote on Grammaticus due to Cronin's warning or because you have other reasons for mistrusting him?

01-01-2006, 05:46 PM	#849
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	AE, any last-minute thoughts on the guys on my "discuss" list (including you)?

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