2012 NFL Offseason thread - Page 17

Ksyrup · 03-19-2012, 11:41 AM

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wade moore · 03-19-2012, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I'm stoked for this to happen for the Broncos. I get trying to trade Tebow and all, and if the Jax will overpay for him then great, but he has value and I'd hope they don't just dump him for the headache. Then again, maybe it was a condition of Peyton's that they get rid of him so he doesn't have to hear about it every time he throws an INT or the team starts losing.

You really think it's realistic that Peyton Manning is afraid of Tim Tebow in his shadow?

I find that very hard to swallow.

spleen1015 · 03-19-2012, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by wade moore

You really think it's realistic that Peyton Manning is afraid of Tim Tebow in his shadow?

I find that very hard to swallow.

I don't think he is afraid. I think he just doesn't want to put up with it.

Ksyrup · 03-19-2012, 11:53 AM

Exactly. It's not that the Broncos would bench Peyton, it's that X% of the fans would demand it, and why should Peyton put up with that? He wants as few distractions as possible. Can you imagine him having to answer those questions after a couple of mediocre weeks?

JediKooter · 03-19-2012, 11:57 AM

I haven't been paying attention, but, did Denver do anything about their aging defense this offseason? If not, Peyton is going to have a noodle of an arm at the end of the year.

wade moore · 03-19-2012, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015

I don't think he is afraid. I think he just doesn't want to put up with it.

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Exactly. It's not that the Broncos would bench Peyton, it's that X% of the fans would demand it, and why should Peyton put up with that? He wants as few distractions as possible. Can you imagine him having to answer those questions after a couple of mediocre weeks?

You guys have got to be joking.

Ksyrup · 03-19-2012, 12:01 PM

I can already picture in my mind a perturbed Peyton answering 8 Tebow questions after a loss before anyone even gets to a question about the game. Why would you want that distraction if it wasn't necessary?

Logan · 03-19-2012, 12:02 PM

And if you're Peyton, you would rather the Broncos turn that useless asset (to you, the starting QB) into something substantial that could better the team, like a 2nd round pick.

Ksyrup · 03-19-2012, 12:03 PM

It's all about control. No Tebow means nothing for the fans to complain about, and Peyton's in control. He's the only viable QB. If Tebow stays, the backup just took them to the playoffs. The fans have no ties/loyalty to Peyton, should things start bad.

Control is the reason I think he chose the Broncos, actually. I don't thinnk he felt like Harbaugh was willing to give up the playcalling when it came down to it.

wade moore · 03-19-2012, 12:06 PM

Yeah, I personally think you guys are insane to think that Peyton demanded Tebow be traded because he might get some tough questions at a press conference.

That's just showing you know nothing about Peyton Manning imo.

Ksyrup · 03-19-2012, 12:06 PM

The most value Tebow has is as a wildcat/H-back/TE. Not sure he would accept that role though. I'm sure Elway would love for him to try, have some success, and then basically tell hiim that's the career path he needs to choose. Don't be the next Eric Crouch.

wade moore · 03-19-2012, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

And if you're Peyton, you would rather the Broncos turn that useless asset (to you, the starting QB) into something substantial that could better the team, like a 2nd round pick.

That's a completely different argument. Sure he probably realizes it's best for the team, but that he DEMANDED it? Come on.

Ksyrup · 03-19-2012, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by wade moore

Yeah, I personally think you guys are insane to think that Peyton demanded Tebow be traded because he might get some tough questions at a press conference.

That's just showing you know nothing about Peyton Manning imo.

I'm sorry. I'll defer to you on questions about really knowing Peyton, Cooper.

Ksyrup · 03-19-2012, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by wade moore

That's a completely different argument. Sure he probably realizes it's best for the team, but that he DEMANDED it? Come on.

You're right, he probably didn't demand it. He probably didn't need to. The team understood it makes too much sense not to keep the QB with mystical powers who just lead your team to within two games of the SB and you named the incumbent starter as a back-up the next year.

I can't thinnk of any scenario in which you would keep him, unless you can't get anything of value for him.

jbergey22 · 03-19-2012, 12:10 PM

I cant see Manning making requests to get Tebow out of Denver. I am sure it is Elway and the other top guys in the Broncos org. wanting to get him out of there. They showed no sign of wanting to support Tebow and this is the perfect way to get him out of there without having to deal with it again.

I think Manning would have loved the opportunity to mentor Tebow. Probably one of the only guys in the league that might be willing to keep up with Peyton in work ethic.

JonInMiddleGA · 03-19-2012, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

It's all about control.

That sounds to me more like the reasoning for him to sign with Denver than anything to do with Tebow staying/going. I mean, it likely ain't the weather. And it's not the roster vs the 49ers roster either.

So either Peyton picked a place where he could essentially be the coach again or he picked the team that - when push came to shove - made the best financial offer (afaik we don't know specifically what terms anyone was offering, other than perhaps the Titans whole lifetime job thing).

Seems to me the former is more likely than the latter.

Moving Tebow is just a way for Elway & Co. to assert what little control they've got left.

Ksyrup · 03-19-2012, 12:18 PM

I fail to see how eliminating distractions (for himself, the coaches, his teammates, and front office) is an un-Peyton-like thing.

Ksyrup · 03-19-2012, 12:21 PM

Especially when you read something like this:

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The Broncos are expected to move quickly to trade Tim Tebow as soon as the Peyton Manning signing becomes official, and they’re not going to hold out for a great offer.

ESPN’s Chris Mortensen reported that the Broncos aren’t confident at all that they’re going to get much of value for Tebow, who two years ago was a first-round draft pick in Denver and two months ago was a winning quarterback in a playoff game in Denver.

Isn't he worth more to the team as a back-up and specialty player than a dump to the first team that offers a bag of balls?

They want to rid themselves of a distraction. If you don't think Peyton's on board with that, you're crazy.

Fidatelo · 03-19-2012, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Especially when you read something like this:

Isn't he worth more to the team as a back-up and specialty player than a dump to the first team that offers a bag of balls?

They want to rid themselves of a distraction. If you don't think Peyton's on board with that, you're crazy.

Maybe Tebow has asked to be moved?

Ksyrup · 03-19-2012, 12:26 PM

But they don't have to trade him. He's got no leverage. Other than the whole 'God will strike you down" thing.

Vince, Pt. II · 03-19-2012, 12:30 PM

Why is he not worth much? I don't understand that. Former 1st rounder, led an amazing playoff upset just a few months ago, thin QB market...why exactly is he worthless?

jbergey22 · 03-19-2012, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

They want to rid themselves of a distraction. If you don't think Peyton's on board with that, you're crazy.

THEY may want to get rid of a distraction but why the hell would Peyton want him gone? Is there a quality about Tebow that Peyton would hate or something?

I can guarantee you the Peyton isnt thinking about failing and having the fans calling for Tebow. You dont become arguably the best QB in NFL history by having confidence problems.

Vince, Pt. II · 03-19-2012, 12:32 PM

That's the thing - Ksyrup is not arguing it's a confidence thing. It's just going to happen no matter how Peyton performs. Why would you want to deal with that?

jbergey22 · 03-19-2012, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince, Pt. II

That's the thing - Ksyrup is not arguing it's a confidence thing. It's just going to happen no matter how Peyton performs. Why would you want to deal with that?

I guess I dont know the Denver fanbase all that well but it seems crazy if that is the case.

Toddzilla · 03-19-2012, 12:34 PM

NO! If Tebow is on the market, that means those idiots in Miami will take him.

NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!

jbergey22 · 03-19-2012, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Toddzilla

NO! If Tebow is on the market, that means those idiots in Miami will take him.

NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!

+1.

stevew · 03-19-2012, 12:38 PM

Casserlt stated something to the effect that he can't imagine Tebow going for much more than a 5th.

jbergey22 · 03-19-2012, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Casserlt stated something to the effect that he can't imagine Tebow going for much more than a 5th.

Tebow's stock being as high as it will ever be in the NFL only bringing in a 5th round pick. I guess that kind of says it all right there.

Rizon · 03-19-2012, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Toddzilla

NO! If Tebow is on the market, that means those idiots in Miami will take him.

NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!

Tebow to Miami makes the most sense ... from a completely senseless Miami front office point-of-view.

Rizon · 03-19-2012, 12:47 PM

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Tebow to Miami makes the most sense ... from a completely senseless Miami front office point-of-view.

I can picture Ireland and Ross slipping all over their own jizm on their bathroom floors after hearing Tebow is now available.

spleen1015 · 03-19-2012, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by wade moore

Yeah, I personally think you guys are insane to think that Peyton demanded Tebow be traded because he might get some tough questions at a press conference.

That's just showing you know nothing about Peyton Manning imo.

Hang on a second. I never said he demanded that Tebow be traded. I just said he doesn't want to put up with the circus that surrounds Tebow.

The Broncos for their own sake need to trade Tebow so that they don't have to put up with all of the BS.

bulletsponge · 03-19-2012, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Rizon

I can picture Ireland and Ross slipping all over their own jizm on their bathroom floors after hearing Tebow is now available.

so... you like to imagine middle aged men naked in bathroom stalls

Rizon · 03-19-2012, 01:04 PM

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so... you like to imagine middle aged men naked in bathroom stalls

No, their own bathrooms.

mckerney · 03-19-2012, 01:06 PM

I was really hoping Denver would keep Tebow and move him to fullback.

wade moore · 03-19-2012, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015

Hang on a second. I never said he demanded that Tebow be traded. I just said he doesn't want to put up with the circus that surrounds Tebow.

The Broncos for their own sake need to trade Tebow so that they don't have to put up with all of the BS.

KSyrup did, which is the poster you were supporting.

Logan · 03-19-2012, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by wade moore

KSyrup did, which is the poster you were supporting.

Actually he said "maybe it was a condition..."

Coffee Warlord · 03-19-2012, 01:14 PM

So, here's the question now.

WTF is San Fransisco going to do for a QB?

wade moore · 03-19-2012, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

Actually he said "maybe it was a condition..."

Ok, fine, he speculated that it happened.

It still stands that that was the issue being debated.

JediKooter · 03-19-2012, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

So, here's the question now.

WTF is San Fransisco going to do for a QB?

Isn't Brees still a free agent?

Logan · 03-19-2012, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

So, here's the question now.

WTF is San Fransisco going to do for a QB?

If Smith doesn't want to sign the deal he's been offered, they'll roll with Kaepernick and likely bring in Josh Johnson as well.

I think those speculating that Smith will now hold the Niners over a barrel are very misinformed.

spleen1015 · 03-19-2012, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JediKooter

Isn't Brees still a free agent?

He was franchised.

Apathetic Lurker · 03-19-2012, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Rizon

No, their own bathrooms.

Thats still......disturbing

Coffee Warlord · 03-19-2012, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

If Smith doesn't want to sign the deal he's been offered, they'll roll with Kaepernick and likely bring in Josh Johnson as well.

I think those speculating that Smith will now hold the Niners over a barrel are very misinformed.

Dammit, I keep thinking Smith already signed elsewhere.

Chief Rum · 03-19-2012, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

Actually he said "maybe it was a condition..."

Actually the only reference to demand I found by KSyrup, unless I missed it,w as when he referred to the "X% fans" demanding Tebow to play if Manning has a bad loss.

stevew · 03-19-2012, 01:24 PM

I can't imagine Josh Johnson or Kaepernick being much worse than Alex Smith. Hand off to Gore, hand off to Gore, toss it to Davis. Plus both of those guys can run pretty well.

JediKooter · 03-19-2012, 01:26 PM

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He was franchised.

Totally missed that news!!

stevew · 03-19-2012, 01:28 PM

Dola-
Colin Kaepernick is the most unlikely name for a black dude

Logan · 03-19-2012, 01:34 PM

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I can't imagine Josh Johnson or Kaepernick being much worse than Alex Smith. Hand off to Gore, hand off to Gore, toss it to Davis. Plus both of those guys can run pretty well.

I guess I would consider myself a supporter of Smith, but an issue is that it will be almost impossible for him to be as good as he was last year...and that performance is still well below championship quality. You have to expect his INTs to creep back up (only 5 INTs last year - hence it being pretty impossible to replicate) and when they do, the rest of his skills aren't there to make up for it.

It's why the Niners were willing to give him good money for a fairly short time frame, as they think Kaepernick will either be the long term solution or they'll need to find someone else after a couple years.

Something else I'm annoyed about is all the crap online about the Niners screwing over Smith by pursuing Manning, how the trust is broken, they're not loyal, etc. This team has stuck with Smith for SEVEN damn years, and Harbaugh went to bat for him as soon as he signed on with the team. Loyalty should go both ways.

Logan · 03-19-2012, 01:34 PM

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Dola-
Colin Kaepernick is the most unlikely name for a black dude

He's black?!

Blackadar · 03-19-2012, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

He's black?!

He's an adopted kid of mixed African and European descent.

03-19-2012, 11:41 AM	#801
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Desktop Tim Tebow ‏ @DesktopTimTebow Can someone give me advice on rolling over my 401K? __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

03-19-2012, 11:53 AM	#804
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Exactly. It's not that the Broncos would bench Peyton, it's that X% of the fans would demand it, and why should Peyton put up with that? He wants as few distractions as possible. Can you imagine him having to answer those questions after a couple of mediocre weeks? __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

03-19-2012, 11:57 AM	#805
JediKooter Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: San Diego via Sausalito via San Jose via San Diego	I haven't been paying attention, but, did Denver do anything about their aging defense this offseason? If not, Peyton is going to have a noodle of an arm at the end of the year. __________________ I'm no longer a Chargers fan, they are dead to me Coming this summer to a movie theater near you: The Adventures of Jedikooter: Part 4

03-19-2012, 12:01 PM	#807
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	I can already picture in my mind a perturbed Peyton answering 8 Tebow questions after a loss before anyone even gets to a question about the game. Why would you want that distraction if it wasn't necessary? __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete." Last edited by Ksyrup : 03-19-2012 at 12:01 PM.

03-19-2012, 12:03 PM	#809
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	It's all about control. No Tebow means nothing for the fans to complain about, and Peyton's in control. He's the only viable QB. If Tebow stays, the backup just took them to the playoffs. The fans have no ties/loyalty to Peyton, should things start bad. Control is the reason I think he chose the Broncos, actually. I don't thinnk he felt like Harbaugh was willing to give up the playcalling when it came down to it. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete." Last edited by Ksyrup : 03-19-2012 at 12:04 PM.

03-19-2012, 12:02 PM	#808
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	And if you're Peyton, you would rather the Broncos turn that useless asset (to you, the starting QB) into something substantial that could better the team, like a 2nd round pick.

03-19-2012, 12:06 PM	#811
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	The most value Tebow has is as a wildcat/H-back/TE. Not sure he would accept that role though. I'm sure Elway would love for him to try, have some success, and then basically tell hiim that's the career path he needs to choose. Don't be the next Eric Crouch. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

03-19-2012, 12:10 PM	#815
jbergey22 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Minnesota	I cant see Manning making requests to get Tebow out of Denver. I am sure it is Elway and the other top guys in the Broncos org. wanting to get him out of there. They showed no sign of wanting to support Tebow and this is the perfect way to get him out of there without having to deal with it again. I think Manning would have loved the opportunity to mentor Tebow. Probably one of the only guys in the league that might be willing to keep up with Peyton in work ethic. Last edited by jbergey22 : 03-19-2012 at 12:14 PM.

03-19-2012, 12:18 PM	#817
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	I fail to see how eliminating distractions (for himself, the coaches, his teammates, and front office) is an un-Peyton-like thing. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete." Last edited by Ksyrup : 03-19-2012 at 12:19 PM.

03-19-2012, 12:26 PM	#820
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	But they don't have to trade him. He's got no leverage. Other than the whole 'God will strike you down" thing. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

03-19-2012, 12:30 PM	#821
Vince, Pt. II Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Somewhere More Familiar	Why is he not worth much? I don't understand that. Former 1st rounder, led an amazing playoff upset just a few months ago, thin QB market...why exactly is he worthless?

03-19-2012, 12:32 PM	#823
Vince, Pt. II Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Somewhere More Familiar	That's the thing - Ksyrup is not arguing it's a confidence thing. It's just going to happen no matter how Peyton performs. Why would you want to deal with that?

03-19-2012, 12:34 PM	#825
Toddzilla Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burke, VA	NO! If Tebow is on the market, that means those idiots in Miami will take him. NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!

03-19-2012, 12:38 PM	#827
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Casserlt stated something to the effect that he can't imagine Tebow going for much more than a 5th.

03-19-2012, 01:06 PM	#834
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	I was really hoping Denver would keep Tebow and move him to fullback.

03-19-2012, 01:14 PM	#837
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	So, here's the question now. WTF is San Fransisco going to do for a QB?

03-19-2012, 01:24 PM	#845
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	I can't imagine Josh Johnson or Kaepernick being much worse than Alex Smith. Hand off to Gore, hand off to Gore, toss it to Davis. Plus both of those guys can run pretty well.

03-19-2012, 01:28 PM	#847
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Dola- Colin Kaepernick is the most unlikely name for a black dude

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