The OFFICIAL 2008-09 NHL Playoffs Thread - Page 17

bbor · 05-12-2009, 06:28 PM

Someone tell the Canes that the game started 10 minutes ago......

Weakest 3-1 lead in history

samifan24 · 05-12-2009, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

It's not a "fight" when one guy looks like this:

Sucker punch. I can't believe anyone would see what's depicted above and think it's a fair fight.

molson · 05-12-2009, 07:05 PM

I always thought dropping your gloves was the universal hockey sign for "I wish to fight with you and I am prepared to do so good sir". To punch somebody in the face with a fist, when their gloves are off, just seems so wrong.

Ward said he wasn't even looking at him, the first thing he saw was the punch flying at him. That's pretty clear from the video. People are making a lot of of him standing there, but we're talking like 1-2 seconds.

Still, it looks like a quick, "honest" mistake.

sterlingice · 05-12-2009, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

You must have some fucked up clocks in Canada

I just like the idea that there's some sort of exchange rate with regards to time

SI

gstelmack · 05-12-2009, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by samifan24

Sucker punch. I can't believe anyone would see what's depicted above and think it's a fair fight.

And I can't believe anyone who watches the video can think Ward wasn't looking to start something...

gstelmack · 05-12-2009, 07:27 PM

Well, this is looking a lot like a 1 seed playing a 6 seed. Carolina better wake up.

molson · 05-12-2009, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by gstelmack

And I can't believe anyone who watches the video can think Ward wasn't looking to start something...

The only problem is that "something" wasn't a fight.

gstelmack · 05-12-2009, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by gstelmack

And I can't believe anyone who watches the video can think Ward wasn't looking to start something...

Eh, that's too snippy and short.

My point follows Fidatelo's from above: when you start that kind of scrap and get that tangled up with a guy, you don't instantly look away and drop your arms to the side and go that slack unless you are:

An idiot
Baiting your opponent to get him thrown out

Usually you tangle up and let the refs separate you, or you break apart to throw down. Ward did neither. You have to look at what was happening before that picture, you can't just look at the picture and draw any meaningful conclusions.

samifan24 · 05-12-2009, 08:34 PM

Bruins force a Game Seven!

gstelmack · 05-12-2009, 08:57 PM

And they earned it tonight. Carolina better dig deep if they want to move on to the Conference Finals, because Boston is playing like a 1 seed again, and Carolina is playing like, well, Carolina.

That said, I didn't think Carolina could push it to 7, so I'm pleased with the postseason result so far, anything else is gravy.

DaddyTorgo · 05-12-2009, 09:01 PM

awesome game by the B's!

DeToxRox · 05-12-2009, 10:39 PM

Through nearly 2 periods it's obvious Anaheim just wants it more. Detroit is missing the net, giving up all sorts of odd man rushes and just be thrown off the puck. Not giving up on this one by a long shot, but through two periods it looks like Detroit has.

JonInMiddleGA · 05-12-2009, 11:40 PM

WTH started that deal?

edit to add: Okay, now I know what started that deal.

It didn't make a lot of sense, Getzlaf hooks Hossa at the horn and he gets mad? I'm neither hither nor yon on who wins this series but after watching that sequence the Ducks looked like little punk ass bitches. Hope Detroit beats 'em about 8-0 in game seven.

Chief Rum · 05-12-2009, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox

Through nearly 2 periods it's obvious Anaheim just wants it more. Detroit is missing the net, giving up all sorts of odd man rushes and just be thrown off the puck. Not giving up on this one by a long shot, but through two periods it looks like Detroit has.

Conspiracy theory. The NHL paid each road team off the past two games to be sure this one went to Game Seven.

See ya, Thursday, Wings fans. I still don't give us much of a chance, but like I said after Game Four, anytime you get to a Game Seven, there's a puncher's chance. Anything can happen.

bbor · 05-12-2009, 11:58 PM

3 game 7's.....does it get any better for a hockey fan??

I think not.

sterlingice · 05-13-2009, 06:25 AM

If they go into OT

SI

JonInMiddleGA · 05-13-2009, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

If they go into OT

How about an OT game 7, a double OT game 7, and then a triple OT game 7

Matthean · 05-13-2009, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by molson

Ward said he wasn't even looking at him, the first thing he saw was the punch flying at him. That's pretty clear from the video.

Ward pushed him away, looked right at him, and watched Walker drop his gloves. For Ward to say he only saw the fist coming is bull crap.

Logan · 05-13-2009, 07:36 AM

Really, still on this? Watch the video once again. He first looked at Walker at 18 seconds, and the fist had hit his face at 20 seconds. Again, that is in slow motion.

Dr. Sak · 05-13-2009, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Logan

Really, still on this? Watch the video once again. He first looked at Walker at 18 seconds, and the fist had hit his face at 20 seconds. Again, that is in slow motion.

I think it was cheap, but fans will justify anything...remember when that one player hit another from behind in the groin? I wont say who it is

Logan · 05-13-2009, 08:26 AM

Come on, that's just hockey!

sterlingice · 05-13-2009, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

How about an OT game 7, a double OT game 7, and then a triple OT game 7

I like the way you think!

SI

DaddyTorgo · 05-13-2009, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Logan

Really, still on this? Watch the video once again. He first looked at Walker at 18 seconds, and the fist had hit his face at 20 seconds. Again, that is in slow motion.

+1

cheapest of cheap shots

Honolulu_Blue · 05-13-2009, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Hope Detroit beats 'em about 8-0 in game seven.

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

I like the way you think!

SI

+1!

sterlingice · 05-13-2009, 09:02 AM

As much as I would absolutely love a Chicago-Detroit series, I do so like watching the Wings lose. I'd also like to see game 7 go about 12 OTs so whoever wins is completely flat coming into game 1 of the WCF.

SI

Dr. Sak · 05-13-2009, 09:04 AM

This is the 3rd series in a row that Washington will play in a game 7, and all 3 of them have been at home for them.

Honolulu_Blue · 05-13-2009, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

I do so like watching the Wings lose.

SI

I bet you also enjoy watching people steal puppies from the arms of small children and bullies stealing lunch monies from much smaller children.

Classy.

Pumpy Tudors · 05-13-2009, 09:32 AM

I was cracking up at all the fights at the end of the Anaheim-Detroit game. I didn't see exactly who all 10 guys on the ice were, but I believe I counted 3 players who actually do fight from time to time, and they were all wearing Ducks jerseys. It was really weird watching Datsyuk, Hossa, and Rafalski throw punches to defend themselves..

Honolulu_Blue · 05-13-2009, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

I was cracking up at all the fights at the end of the Anaheim-Detroit game. I didn't see exactly who all 10 guys on the ice were, but I believe I counted 3 players who actually do fight from time to time, and they were all wearing Ducks jerseys. It was really weird watching Datsyuk, Hossa, and Rafalski throw punches to defend themselves..

You know who else was cracking up at all those fights? Colin White.

sterlingice · 05-13-2009, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

I bet you also enjoy watching people steal puppies from the arms of small children and bullies stealing lunch monies from much smaller children.

Classy.

But those people stealing puppies and lunch monies typically are the Red Wings and their fans

SI

Honolulu_Blue · 05-13-2009, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

But those people stealing puppies and lunch monies typically are the Red Wings and their fans

SI

I've never known a Red Wings fan to do such a thing. Except for DeTox, once. But that kid had it coming and he was going to buy an unhealthy lunch anyway.

Pumpy Tudors · 05-13-2009, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

You know who else was cracking up at all those fights? Colin White.

oh fuck me

DataKing · 05-13-2009, 10:01 AM

Good on the Ducks for forcing a game 7 (I love game 7s...but then, who doesn't?). But the Wings should be able to handle them at the Joe. Anaheim won largely due to being able to get favorable matchups out there on the ice. Babcock will have the last change at home, so he can keep Hossa and Franzen away from the Pronger-Neidermeyer pairing.

Edit: Does anyone know where Datsyuk got his reputation as strictly a finesse player? I know he's not necessarily a drop-the-gloves type, but the guy definitely has a mean streak.

Honolulu_Blue · 05-13-2009, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by DataKing

Good on the Ducks for forcing a game 7 (I love game 7s...but then, who doesn't?).

I do not like game 7s when the Red Wings are involved, unless, of course, they get up quickly and the final result is never in question like last time they played a game 7. That was enjoyable.

DataKing · 05-13-2009, 10:33 AM

Wasn't it a game 7 a number of years ago against the Avs where the chased Patrick Roy after shelling him for something like seven goals in a period and a half?

Honolulu_Blue · 05-13-2009, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by DataKing

Wasn't it a game 7 a number of years ago against the Avs where the chased Patrick Roy after shelling him for something like seven goals in a period and a half?

Yep. That's what I was referring to in the post above. That was the Wings' last Game 7 at least from what I can recall.

DataKing · 05-13-2009, 10:54 AM

You're right...May 31st, 2002. 7-zip over the Avs. I'm surprised it's been that long since the Wings have been in a game 7 (had to go look it up).

Tekneek · 05-13-2009, 12:17 PM

That was not a sucker punch. A sucker punch is what Tie Domi did to Ulf Samuelsson back in the day. Ulf absolutely had no idea what was coming. This situation is not the same.

Maple Leafs · 05-13-2009, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Tekneek

That was not a sucker punch. A sucker punch is what Tie Domi did to Ulf Samuelsson back in the day. Ulf absolutely had no idea what was coming. This situation is not the same.

The situation is not the same. But it's still a sucker punch.

gstelmack · 05-13-2009, 12:34 PM

The NHL folks here finally explained to me that dropping your arms to your side is the universal sign of "don't hit me" and that's what made it a sucker punch.

I still think there are two separate punches being discussed. I keep seeing references to a punch thrown when Walker first entered the fray between Ward and Cullen. That's the only thing that makes sense when Ward keeps saying he was looking at Cullen and didn't see Walker until he got hit.

Honolulu_Blue · 05-13-2009, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Tekneek

That was not a sucker punch. A sucker punch is what Tie Domi did to Ulf Samuelsson back in the day. Ulf absolutely had no idea what was coming. This situation is not the same.

Just because what Tie Domi did to Ulf Samuelsson back in the day was a sucker punch does not mean that what Walker did to Ward was not a sucker punch. These aren't mutually exclusive events. It's kind of like pointing to a Yorkshire Terrier and saying "That's not a dog. A dog is a German Sheppard. Dogs are much bigger and have longer tails. A Yorkie is not a dog."

Walker's sucker punch of Ward was just a different kind of sucker punch is all.

Honolulu_Blue · 05-13-2009, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by gstelmack

The NHL folks here finally explained to me that dropping your arms to your side is the universal sign of "don't hit me" and that's what made it a sucker punch.

That's not what was explained at all, but if that's the angle you want to take with all this... go on with your bad self!

It always baffles me how subjective people's views are when it comes to "their" team. I mean, back in the day when Bob Probert sucker pucnhed Vincent Reindeau, I just admitted that the punch was way out of line (amusing, yes, but way out of line). I didn't feel the need to twist reality or debate semantics to defend his actions.

Accept it. Deal with it. Move on.

gstelmack · 05-13-2009, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

I've watched a lot of hockey in my life and that doesn't happen too often. Typically, in cases where one guy drops the gloves and the other guy doesn't, the guy who drops the gloves grabs hold of the other guy or holds off throwing a punch until the other guy drops his gloves.

In a case where one guy drops his gloves, the other guy doesn't and then the first guy hauls off and hits the guy with his gloves one = sucker punch.

That was pretty clear to me. But hockey (at least the fighting and hitting part) makes less and less sense to me the more I try to understand it, so whatever.

As for the fanboy angle, look, I'm not saying Ward didn't deserve his punishment (he clearly charged into this wanting a fight, I think his surprise was that Ward ended up not wanting one), and I said up front I have no opinion on the suspension as I don't fully understand the rules (and if he had been suspended, I wouldn't have argued it at all), all I wanted to do was understand why people kept wanting to call this a "sucker punch", as I didn't see that from the replays given that Ward was tangled up with Walker right before the punch. In the real world, if someone shoves my wife, I jump in and shove him, he pushes me back (or grapples with me or whatever and then we spearate), and I deck him (fat chance, but play along...) your average Joe is not going to call that a sucker punch. I'm trying to understand the hockey nuances that turn a similar on-ice situation into a sucker punch.

I'll shut up about it now and just gripe about all the fighting in hockey instead and how it has no place in the modern game. Shoving both hands with a stick in it into the face of a guy who just took a shot should be a penalty, let's debate that instead

Fidatelo · 05-13-2009, 01:08 PM

I'd like to state that I hate the Carolina Hurricanes with a passion, and want the Bruins to advance like nobodies business, yet I'm not sold on it as a sucker punch.

molson · 05-13-2009, 01:11 PM

I really think it was an accidental sucker punch, if such a thing exists.

It was bad form, it was cheap, but I don't think it was malicious. It was a mistake. We're talking 2-3 seconds where all these decisions are being made, I totally understand how a punch can be thrown in the heat of that moment.

Logan · 05-13-2009, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by molson

I really think it was an accidental sucker punch, if such a thing exists.

It was bad form, it was cheap, but I don't think it was malicious. It was a mistake. We're talking 2-3 seconds where all these decisions are being made, I totally understand how a punch can be thrown in the heat of that moment.

I agree, and that's exactly why I said Walker's reaction as Ward went down was "shit, what did I just do?"

Honolulu_Blue · 05-13-2009, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by molson

I really think it was an accidental sucker punch, if such a thing exists.

It was bad form, it was cheap, but I don't think it was malicious. It was a mistake. We're talking 2-3 seconds where all these decisions are being made, I totally understand how a punch can be thrown in the heat of that moment.

I agree with this.

watravaler · 05-13-2009, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Fidatelo

10-15 years? A lot can happen in a decade...

True, but I see Toews as the leader of the team/top 5-10 NHL player/elite NHL captian for at least ten years. Who knows how long his legs will last after he hits 30, but this guy is Yzerman all over again, imo, of course. If the Wirtz' return to their ridiculous ways(and I'm far from sold on the "new" Wirtz, then this could be a 3-5 year ride, followed by empty seats. Nevertheless, the amount of young talent Chicago has assembled after years of high-draft picks is mind-boggling, kind of similar to the DevilRays situation in MLB. Only a true idiot, or a moron who only cares about the bottom line(I'm looking at you Wirtz family) can screw up this situation. Bottom line, it's about friggin time!

Draft Dodger · 05-13-2009, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DataKing

Wasn't it a game 7 a number of years ago against the Avs where the chased Patrick Roy after shelling him for something like seven goals in a period and a half?

(still mad about the Statue of Liberty in game 6)

DataKing · 05-13-2009, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

(still mad about the Statue of Liberty in game 6)

Served him right!

I still hate the Avs...those great Wings/Avs matchups were some of the nastiest hockey I've ever seen. You know things are rough when the goalies decide to duke it out.

05-12-2009, 06:28 PM	#801
bbor Pro Starter Join Date: May 2001 Location: toronto	Someone tell the Canes that the game started 10 minutes ago...... Weakest 3-1 lead in history __________________ Pumpy Tudors Now that I've cracked and made that admission, I wonder if I'm only a couple of steps away from wanting to tongue-kiss Jaromir Jagr and give Bobby Clarke a blowjob.

05-12-2009, 07:05 PM	#803
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	I always thought dropping your gloves was the universal hockey sign for "I wish to fight with you and I am prepared to do so good sir". To punch somebody in the face with a fist, when their gloves are off, just seems so wrong. Ward said he wasn't even looking at him, the first thing he saw was the punch flying at him. That's pretty clear from the video. People are making a lot of of him standing there, but we're talking like 1-2 seconds. Still, it looks like a quick, "honest" mistake. Last edited by molson : 05-12-2009 at 07:08 PM.

05-12-2009, 07:27 PM	#806
gstelmack Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cary, NC	Well, this is looking a lot like a 1 seed playing a 6 seed. Carolina better wake up. __________________ -- Greg -- Author of various FOF utilities

05-12-2009, 08:34 PM	#809
samifan24 Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NC	Bruins force a Game Seven! __________________ "You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball...and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time." -Jim Bouton

05-12-2009, 08:57 PM	#810
gstelmack Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cary, NC	And they earned it tonight. Carolina better dig deep if they want to move on to the Conference Finals, because Boston is playing like a 1 seed again, and Carolina is playing like, well, Carolina. That said, I didn't think Carolina could push it to 7, so I'm pleased with the postseason result so far, anything else is gravy. __________________ -- Greg -- Author of various FOF utilities

05-12-2009, 09:01 PM	#811
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	awesome game by the B's! __________________ If I've ever helped you and you'd like to buy me a coffee, or just to say thanks, I have my Bitcoin and Ethereum addressed listed below :) BTC: bc1qykhsfyn9vw4ntqfgr0svj4n9tjdgufryh2pxn5 ETH: 0x2AcdC5cd88EA537063553F5b240073bE067BaCa9

05-12-2009, 10:39 PM	#812
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Through nearly 2 periods it's obvious Anaheim just wants it more. Detroit is missing the net, giving up all sorts of odd man rushes and just be thrown off the puck. Not giving up on this one by a long shot, but through two periods it looks like Detroit has.

05-12-2009, 11:40 PM	#813
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	WTH started that deal? edit to add: Okay, now I know what started that deal. It didn't make a lot of sense, Getzlaf hooks Hossa at the horn and he gets mad? I'm neither hither nor yon on who wins this series but after watching that sequence the Ducks looked like little punk ass bitches. Hope Detroit beats 'em about 8-0 in game seven. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis Last edited by JonInMiddleGA : 05-12-2009 at 11:42 PM.

05-12-2009, 11:58 PM	#815
bbor Pro Starter Join Date: May 2001 Location: toronto	3 game 7's.....does it get any better for a hockey fan?? I think not. __________________ Pumpy Tudors Now that I've cracked and made that admission, I wonder if I'm only a couple of steps away from wanting to tongue-kiss Jaromir Jagr and give Bobby Clarke a blowjob.

05-13-2009, 06:25 AM	#816
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	If they go into OT SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

05-13-2009, 07:36 AM	#819
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Really, still on this? Watch the video once again. He first looked at Walker at 18 seconds, and the fist had hit his face at 20 seconds. Again, that is in slow motion.

05-13-2009, 08:26 AM	#821
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Come on, that's just hockey!

05-13-2009, 09:02 AM	#825
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	As much as I would absolutely love a Chicago-Detroit series, I do so like watching the Wings lose. I'd also like to see game 7 go about 12 OTs so whoever wins is completely flat coming into game 1 of the WCF. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!" Last edited by sterlingice : 05-13-2009 at 09:02 AM.

05-13-2009, 09:04 AM	#826
Dr. Sak Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Stuck in Yinzerville, PA	This is the 3rd series in a row that Washington will play in a game 7, and all 3 of them have been at home for them.

05-13-2009, 09:32 AM	#828
Pumpy Tudors Bounty Hunter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	I was cracking up at all the fights at the end of the Anaheim-Detroit game. I didn't see exactly who all 10 guys on the ice were, but I believe I counted 3 players who actually do fight from time to time, and they were all wearing Ducks jerseys. It was really weird watching Datsyuk, Hossa, and Rafalski throw punches to defend themselves.. __________________ No, I am not Batman, and I will not repair your food processor.

05-13-2009, 10:01 AM	#833
DataKing Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Chicago	Good on the Ducks for forcing a game 7 (I love game 7s...but then, who doesn't?). But the Wings should be able to handle them at the Joe. Anaheim won largely due to being able to get favorable matchups out there on the ice. Babcock will have the last change at home, so he can keep Hossa and Franzen away from the Pronger-Neidermeyer pairing. Edit: Does anyone know where Datsyuk got his reputation as strictly a finesse player? I know he's not necessarily a drop-the-gloves type, but the guy definitely has a mean streak. __________________ Current Games Diablo III (BattleTag: DataKing#1685) Allegiances: Chicago Bears - Detroit Red Wings - Kansas Jayhawks Awards: 2011 Golden Scribe - Other Sports Category (The Straight(away) and Narrow - A Forza Motorsport 3 Dynasty) Last edited by DataKing : 05-13-2009 at 10:02 AM.

05-13-2009, 10:33 AM	#835
DataKing Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Chicago	Wasn't it a game 7 a number of years ago against the Avs where the chased Patrick Roy after shelling him for something like seven goals in a period and a half? __________________ Current Games Diablo III (BattleTag: DataKing#1685) Allegiances: Chicago Bears - Detroit Red Wings - Kansas Jayhawks Awards: 2011 Golden Scribe - Other Sports Category (The Straight(away) and Narrow - A Forza Motorsport 3 Dynasty)

05-13-2009, 10:54 AM	#837
DataKing Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Chicago	You're right...May 31st, 2002. 7-zip over the Avs. I'm surprised it's been that long since the Wings have been in a game 7 (had to go look it up). __________________ Current Games Diablo III (BattleTag: DataKing#1685) Allegiances: Chicago Bears - Detroit Red Wings - Kansas Jayhawks Awards: 2011 Golden Scribe - Other Sports Category (The Straight(away) and Narrow - A Forza Motorsport 3 Dynasty)

05-13-2009, 12:17 PM	#838
Tekneek Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: USA	That was not a sucker punch. A sucker punch is what Tie Domi did to Ulf Samuelsson back in the day. Ulf absolutely had no idea what was coming. This situation is not the same.

05-13-2009, 12:34 PM	#840
gstelmack Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cary, NC	The NHL folks here finally explained to me that dropping your arms to your side is the universal sign of "don't hit me" and that's what made it a sucker punch. I still think there are two separate punches being discussed. I keep seeing references to a punch thrown when Walker first entered the fray between Ward and Cullen. That's the only thing that makes sense when Ward keeps saying he was looking at Cullen and didn't see Walker until he got hit. __________________ -- Greg -- Author of various FOF utilities

05-13-2009, 01:08 PM	#844
Fidatelo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Winnipeg, MB	I'd like to state that I hate the Carolina Hurricanes with a passion, and want the Bruins to advance like nobodies business, yet I'm not sold on it as a sucker punch. __________________ "Breakfast? Breakfast schmekfast, look at the score for God's sake. It's only the second period and I'm winning 12-2. Breakfasts come and go, Rene, but Hartford, the Whale, they only beat Vancouver maybe once or twice in a lifetime."

05-13-2009, 01:11 PM	#845
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	I really think it was an accidental sucker punch, if such a thing exists. It was bad form, it was cheap, but I don't think it was malicious. It was a mistake. We're talking 2-3 seconds where all these decisions are being made, I totally understand how a punch can be thrown in the heat of that moment.

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