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samifan24 · 03-09-2004, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Pyser

all stems back to moores hit on naslund 2 weeks ago that gave him a concussion.

bertuzzi should be suspended until well into the playoffs. that was awful, and embarassing for the sport.

I think he should get a calendar year. Colin Campbell needs to set a precedent for actions which negatively reflect the entire sport. As I stated previously, this is the kind of thing which makes it on the nightly news, the same news stations which often do not even show highlights from NHL games on a regular basis. Bertuzzi's actions are embarassing to hockey fans everywhere. The ball's in Campbell's court, but anything less than the rest of the season and at least the entire playoffs will be an incredible disappointment for me because I know the league will never have the guts to make a guy sit out a whole year*. Additionally, I think Bertuzzi should be criminally prosecuted as well.

edit- *besides McSorely because Bertuzzi is a "star" player and I doubt the league is willing to lose him for that long, despite my belief that they should suspend him regardless of his "stardom"

Pyser · 03-09-2004, 11:36 AM

well, the entire sport is going to get "suspended" for a calendar year, so i guess they may as well knock him out just for playoffs at this rate

MikeVic · 03-09-2004, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by samifan24

I think he should get a calendar year. Colin Campbell needs to set a precedent for actions which negatively reflect the entire sport. As I stated previously, this is the kind of thing which makes it on the nightly news, the same news stations which often do not even show highlights from NHL games on a regular basis. Bertuzzi's actions are embarassing to hockey fans everywhere. The ball's in Campbell's court, but anything less than the rest of the season and at least the entire playoffs will be an incredible disappointment for me because I know the league will never have the guts to make a guy sit out a whole year. Additionally, I think Bertuzzi should be criminally prosecuted as well.

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I don't think he should be suspended for a year, or criminally prosecuted... if Moore wasn't punished for a hit that resulted in a concussion, then how can Bertuzzi be suspended for a year? What Bertuzzi did was horrible, but the NHL should've punished Moore for a good number of games as well.

samifan24 · 03-09-2004, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

I don't think he should be suspended for a year, or criminally prosecuted... if Moore wasn't punished for a hit that resulted in a concussion, then how can Bertuzzi be suspended for a year? What Bertuzzi did was horrible, but the NHL should've punished Moore for a good number of games as well.

Well then we respectfully disagree, sir. Moore's hit did result in a concussion, but he was not penalized on the play and the tape went to the league and Campbell did not act on the hit because he did not deem it to be a dirty hit. There's a big difference between hurting a guy with a hit (intentional or otherwise, although Moore had his day in court and Campbell opted not to suspend him because it was a clean hit) and sucker-punching a guy from behind. One is an accident, the other cowardace.

Honolulu_Blue · 03-09-2004, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

I heard Marc Crawford yelling about that hit. Moore didn't get punished much for it, did he?

Nope. Not so much as a two minute minor for roughing. It was a "clean" hit by all accounts. Just caught Naslund with his head down.

I hope Moore is ok. If he smashed his face and requires surgery, his career could be in jeopardy. Look what happened to Kevin Stevens. His face got smashed and just like that, he went from a 50 goal/200 PIM power-forward extrodinare on a Stanley Cup winning team to a poor journeyman forward who spent his off-nights smoking crack with hookers in East St. Louis.

Draft Dodger · 03-09-2004, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

I don't think he should be suspended for a year, or criminally prosecuted... if Moore wasn't punished for a hit that resulted in a concussion, then how can Bertuzzi be suspended for a year? What Bertuzzi did was horrible, but the NHL should've punished Moore for a good number of games as well.

Moore's hit was clean.
If that hit was against a 3rd line winger, no one cares. But because Moore didn't hold up against one of the game's elite, the Canucks cry about it. Sami Salo in last night's game hit Alex Tanguay on a very similar play - you see hits like that in almost every game.

Draft Dodger · 03-09-2004, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Nope. Not so much as a two minute minor for roughing. It was a "clean" hit by all accounts. Just caught Naslund with his head down.

I hope Moore is ok. If he smashed his face and requires surgery, his career could be in jeopardy. Look what happened to Kevin Stevens. His face got smashed and just like that, he went from a 50 goal/200 PIM power-forward extrodinare on a Stanley Cup winning team to a poor journeyman forward who spent his off-nights smoking crack with hookers in East St. Louis.

Kevin Stevens is the first thing I thought of when this happened.

Maple Leafs · 03-09-2004, 11:52 AM

My "sources" (I do have sources, dammit) say DeVriest to Ottawa, although it's not being reported yet.

samifan24 · 03-09-2004, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

My "sources" (I do have sources, dammit) say DeVriest to Ottawa, although it's not being reported yet.

DeVries for Karel Rachunek and Alexandre Giroux

Fidatelo · 03-09-2004, 11:57 AM

After watching it myself, I don't think what Bertuzzi did is as bad as everyone seems to be saying. He wanted to fight Moore, chased him all over the ice, Moore wouldn't do it (cuz of course Bert would slaughter him). So in frustration Bertuzzi hit him anyways. There is no way Bertuzzi intended for everything after to happen, just as Moore didn't intend for Naslund to be so hurt when he hit him.

Bert should be suspended for the sucker punch, but no way should he get anything close to what McSorely got. I'd say 10 games, and only because he is a past offender.

Maple Leafs · 03-09-2004, 11:59 AM

Sportsnet is reporting that Bertuzzi broke Moore's neck.

My god...

samifan24 · 03-09-2004, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Fidatelo

After watching it myself, I don't think what Bertuzzi did is as bad as everyone seems to be saying. He wanted to fight Moore, chased him all over the ice, Moore wouldn't do it (cuz of course Bert would slaughter him). So in frustration Bertuzzi hit him anyways. There is no way Bertuzzi intended for everything after to happen, just as Moore didn't intend for Naslund to be so hurt when he hit him.

Bert should be suspended for the sucker punch, but no way should he get anything close to what McSorely got. I'd say 10 games, and only because he is a past offender.

So stalking someone down the ice and sucker-punching them from behind, then slamming their face into the ice after tackling them is only worth ten games, and then only because Bertuzzi's a repeat offender? You're kidding, right?

Honolulu_Blue · 03-09-2004, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by samifan24

DeVries for Karel Rachunek and Alexandre Giroux

Ah ha! Samifan24 is Maple Leafs' source! The truth has been revealed!

sachmo71 · 03-09-2004, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by samifan24

DeVries for Karel Rachunek and Alexandre Giroux

I thought Rachunek was very promising. DeVries is overrated and overpayed.

sachmo71 · 03-09-2004, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Sportsnet is reporting that Bertuzzi broke Moore's neck.

My god...

It looked like the ice broke his neck, but regardless...ick.

Maple Leafs · 03-09-2004, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sachmo71

I thought Rachunek was very promising. DeVries is overrated and overpayed.

Rachunek is terrible. He's a complete mess, a giveaway waiting to happen. He's still young, so there's "upside", but right now he's just a soft, lousy defenceman.

Draft Dodger · 03-09-2004, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by bbor

What's the story on Morris.....Why did the Avs give up on him?

Morris hasn't been terrible, but he hasn't quite turned into the player they thought he would be when they gave up Chris Drury for him. I think it's less a matter of wanting to get rid of Morris (like the Skoula trade) than it is about Lacroix using Morris to get a player (Gratton) he needed. John-Michael Liles had been eating up more and more of Morris's ice time on the power play, and with the acquisition of guys like Sauer and Boughner, Morris was essentially expendable.

Morris is only 25, and this does look like a nice, nice trade for Phoenix.

But the thing about Pierre Lacroix is this - he doesn't micromanage each individual trade to get the best deal; he is always looking at the big picture. So, he has to give up more than he wants to get Gratton, but he gets Vannanen also. Then he pulls off a trade for Salo which makes him look like a genius. He traded Radim Vrbata last year to get Bates SUCKY Battaglia...but then turned Battaglia into Steve Konowalchuk this year...as good a trade as you'll see a GM make. If you look at Locroix's moves on a trade-by-trade basis, some will look bad. If you look at his overall team management...I'm not sure you'll find a better GM in hockey. Except for when he canned Bob Hartley. That was rank.

samifan24 · 03-09-2004, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Sportsnet is reporting that Bertuzzi broke Moore's neck.

My god...

Do you have a link?

Draft Dodger · 03-09-2004, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Sportsnet is reporting that Bertuzzi broke Moore's neck.

My god...

yikes. link?

samifan24 · 03-09-2004, 12:06 PM

dola-

Dallas Stars have signed FA defenseman Lubomir Sekeras for the remainder of the season.

Maple Leafs · 03-09-2004, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by samifan24

Do you have a link?

No, it's being reported on the radio. Nothing on the Sportsnet site yet (www.sportsnet.ca).

I'm no doctor, but I can't imagine it's a broken neck in the "never walk again" sense. We would have heard something before now if he hadn't moved since last night, wouldn't we?

In other news, Francis is a Leaf.

Draft Dodger · 03-09-2004, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

No, it's being reported on the radio. Nothing on the Sportsnet site yet (www.sportsnet.ca).

I'm no doctor, but I can't imagine it's a broken neck in the "never walk again" sense. We would have heard something before now if he hadn't moved since last night, wouldn't we?

In other news, Francis is a Leaf.

he was definitely moving his legs on the ice after the hit.
Francis would have been a better fit for the Canucks.

Maple Leafs · 03-09-2004, 12:19 PM

Here's a link on the Moore story:
http://wwww.sportsnet.ca/hockey/show...ntent=s030935A

(Apparently he's from Thornhill, the town I grew up in.)

Fidatelo · 03-09-2004, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by samifan24

So stalking someone down the ice and sucker-punching them from behind, then slamming their face into the ice after tackling them is only worth ten games, and then only because Bertuzzi's a repeat offender? You're kidding, right?

No, I wasn't kidding. And watch that video again, he doesn't tackle, nor slam his face into the ice. He falls because of momentum and his weight on Moore. When Moore gets hit his legs give out and they both collapse. I'm positive Bertuzzi didn't intend to smash his face into the ice (which is what does most of the damage I'd guess).

I'm not saying what he did was ok, which is why I agree he should be suspended. But it isn't as bad as the outcome makes it look. Sucker punches in hockey are not new.

Maple Leafs · 03-09-2004, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Fidatelo

No, I wasn't kidding. And watch that video again, he doesn't tackle, nor slam his face into the ice. He falls because of momentum and his weight on Moore. When Moore gets hit his legs give out and they both collapse. I'm positive Bertuzzi didn't intend to smash his face into the ice (which is what does most of the damage I'd guess).

I have to admit, when I finally saw the video (after hearing about it all morning), my reaction was similar. It was bad, no doubt, but not as bad as it sounded. And I also just don't see the "smashing his head into the ice" part. I don't know if people are getting overly dramatic or whether there's another camera angle out there that I haven't seen, but it sure looks like Bertuzzi slugs him, falls on top of him and makes one more weak swipe at him before everyone piles on.

Draft Dodger · 03-09-2004, 12:39 PM

If you are going to sucker punch someone like that, you are responsible for the consequences. Moore didn't trip over a cat - he was sent face-first into the ice with a great deal of force by a punch he didn't even see coming. It doesn't matter what Bertuzzi intended to happen to Moore.

If Bertuzzi was a man and was not hitting a guy skating away from him...Moore would not be lying in a hospital with a broken neck right now.

I wonder...do you think Marc Crawford is still laughing about the hit?

samifan24 · 03-09-2004, 12:40 PM

Well you can choose to blame it on physics or you can hold the man accountable for his actions. Yes, we all agree Bertuzzi should be suspended, but I disagree when you blame most of the damage on the physics of the attack. Moore wouldn't be in surgery now if it weren't for Bertuzzi and that's the bottom line.

bbor · 03-09-2004, 12:42 PM

Looked to me like Bertuzzi hits Moore.....Moore is out on his feet....Bertuzzi's momentum has him land on Moore.Moore being knocked out cannot get his hands up to break his fall and goes face first into the ice.

I would say end of season for Bertuzzi...including play-offs.

How could it not be?

Draft Dodger · 03-09-2004, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by bbor

Looked to me like Bertuzzi hits Moore.....Moore is out on his feet....Bertuzzi's momentum has him land on Moore.Moore being knocked out cannot get his hands up to break his fall and goes face first into the ice.

I would say end of season for Bertuzzi...including play-offs.

How could it not be?

at first I thought through the regular season.
with the broken vertebraes...I think we are talking about playoff time as well.

Maple Leafs · 03-09-2004, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by bbor

Looked to me like Bertuzzi hits Moore.....Moore is out on his feet....Bertuzzi's momentum has him land on Moore.Moore being knocked out cannot get his hands up to break his fall and goes face first into the ice.

That sounds about right. There's no excuse for what Bertuzzi did. No need to sex it up by pretending he slammed Moore's head on the ice or wailed away on the guy when he was down. The sucker punch was more than bad enough.

Fidatelo · 03-09-2004, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

If Bertuzzi was a man and was not hitting a guy skating away from him...Moore would not be lying in a hospital with a broken neck right now.

Hmm, it could be argued that if Moore was a man and hadn't fled all over the ice to get away from Bertuzzi he would simply have a black eye right now... ok, now I'm just going too far

Samdari · 03-09-2004, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

That sounds about right. There's no excuse for what Bertuzzi did. No need to sex it up by pretending he slammed Moore's head on the ice or wailed away on the guy when he was down. The sucker punch was more than bad enough.

I've seen the video. It looks to me like he clearly slammed Moore's head to the ice, and clearly meant to. I don't find the reports sexed up at all. The radio reports all made it sound very bad. But not nearly as bad as it was.

Maple Leafs · 03-09-2004, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Samdari

I've seen the video. It looks to me like he clearly slammed Moore's head to the ice, and clearly meant to. I don't find the reports sexed up at all. The radio reports all made it sound very bad. But not nearly as bad as it was.

Well, I guess we disagree. My honest reaction was that after the initial sucker punch, the worst you could say was that Bertuzzi didn't try to avoid landing on Moore as they both fell. But then again I can't read his mind.

Samdari · 03-09-2004, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Well, I guess we disagree. My honest reaction was that after the initial sucker punch, the worst you could say was that Bertuzzi didn't try to avoid landing on Moore as they both fell. But then again I can't read his mind.

Watch it in slow motion. I see Bertuzzi's legs extending to launch himself onto Moore. During the fall his left arm is clearly on the back of Moore's neck and extending, obviously trying to add force to the impact of Moore's head with the ice.

I agree different poeple will interpret the video different ways, and that was my point to begin with. You can argue intent (which neither of us will ever truly know) and the cause of Bertuzzi falling, but not seeing his left arm clearly aiding the descent of Moore's head is ignoring the facts.

MikeVic · 03-09-2004, 01:23 PM

It couldn't have helped that the Colorado guy jumped on top of Bertuzzi , and continued to let Moore's face slide across the ice... and for Moore to run away all game after he gave Naslund that consussion... well, he had to know that they were looking to rough him up to say the least... I'm not saying he deserved what Bertuzzi did to him, but he was building up the Canucks players' hatred for him everytime he was on that ice and didn't get hit...

Maple Leafs · 03-09-2004, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

... and for Moore to run away all game after he gave Naslund that consussion...

Well, let's be fair. Moore dropped his gloves in the first period. He did the right thing. That could have been the end of it right there.

sachmo71 · 03-09-2004, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

It couldn't have helped that the Colorado guy jumped on top of Bertuzzi , and continued to let Moore's face slide across the ice... and for Moore to run away all game after he gave Naslund that consussion... well, he had to know that they were looking to rough him up to say the least... I'm not saying he deserved what Bertuzzi did to him, but he was building up the Canucks players' hatred for him everytime he was on that ice and didn't get hit...

He was trying to draw a penalty. That's his job. Bertuzzi just freaked out on him.

JonInMiddleGA · 03-09-2004, 01:28 PM

Since I don't recall seeing it at the time (or since for that matter), I'll ask ...

Did Moore cheapshot Naslund ? Or was it just a course-of-play hard hit?

Draft Dodger · 03-09-2004, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Well, I guess we disagree. My honest reaction was that after the initial sucker punch, the worst you could say was that Bertuzzi didn't try to avoid landing on Moore as they both fell. But then again I can't read his mind.

watch it again.

http://www.hockeyfights.com/cf277/04...hots_moore.wmv

Bertuzzi was forcing him down and putting pressure on him the whole way down.

Draft Dodger · 03-09-2004, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Since I don't recall seeing it at the time (or since for that matter), I'll ask ...

Did Moore cheapshot Naslund ? Or was it just a course-of-play hard hit?

just a hard hit. not a cheap shot in the opinion of most - it's a hit you see almost every day in the NHL.

Vancouver was upset because 1) Naslund was hurt on the play and 2) he is a star player, and there's supposed to be a code to let up a bit on star players.

Maple Leafs · 03-09-2004, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Did Moore cheapshot Naslund ? Or was it just a course-of-play hard hit?

A bit of both. It wasn't a cheap play like a sucker punch or stick to the head. You could argue that it was a clean hit. But it was a headshot to a player who was off-balance and couldn't protect himself. And the fact that it was a fourth-liner hitting the league's best player didn't help the perception.

Still, Bertuzzi's reaction was out of of all proportion to what Moore did.

bbor · 03-09-2004, 01:36 PM

What a boring trade deadline.

Can't wait to see the tv ratings on this.

Maple Leafs · 03-09-2004, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

watch it again. Bertuzzi was forcing him down and putting pressure on him the whole way down.

I did watch it again. Bertuzzi wasn't forcing him down -- the guy was out cold, he didn't need to be forced. Bertuzzi is holding the back of his jersey and doesn't let go of it, but I just don't see any driving going on.

MikeVic · 03-09-2004, 01:40 PM

Well, I have to say right now that I didn't see any of the game, and I saw somewhere in this thread that Moore was running all game.. so I assumed that he was ducking all Canucks players for the entire game... you can see why I made my comments now.

It'll be really interesting to see what happens now... when do the Canucks and Avs play next?

bbor · 03-09-2004, 01:41 PM

The hurt does'nt stop in Motown...Robert Lang out 3 weeks with cracked ribs.

How ya feeling H_B....any injuries in Belgium?

bbor · 03-09-2004, 01:42 PM

Hnidy to Nashville for a 3rd roundpick..woohoo

Samdari · 03-09-2004, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

I did watch it again. Bertuzzi wasn't forcing him down -- the guy was out cold, he didn't need to be forced. Bertuzzi is holding the back of his jersey and doesn't let go of it, but I just don't see any driving going on.

Well, again, as they are falling, Bertuzzi's arm is extending. Try to explain it away if you wish, but his arm starts close to he chest as to fall and is almost fully extended as they hit the ice.

I do think that the damage caused here is more than Bertuzzi likely intended. Of course, it is not like the decision to take this action resulted from rational thought to begin with.

Honolulu_Blue · 03-09-2004, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by bbor

The hurt does'nt stop in Motown...Robert Lang out 3 weeks with cracked ribs.

How ya feeling H_B....any injuries in Belgium?

No. We're doing ok here in the land of frites, beer, lace, and chocolate. Though, with a couple of phone calls to the right people there could be a certain shoe salesmen in Canada who may have an injury or two...

Seriously. Draper, Datsyuk, and now Lang? This is getting out of control. Datsyuk is due back in 2 weeks, Draper 4, Lang 3. This is not good. Assuming they all do make it back in time for the begining of the play-offs, it will be highly unlikely that Draper or Lang will be fully healed. A shoulder injury (Draper) and rib injury (Lang) aren't the kind of injuries you can effectively play through. You just can't. Your ribs will ache every time you breathe and the shoulder with each nudge. Hrmmm...

Honolulu_Blue · 03-09-2004, 01:51 PM

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Hnidy to Nashville for a 3rd roundpick..woohoo

That's good deal. You can't think of a better place for "The Sheriff" Shane Hindy to play than Nashville. They'll love him down there!

bbor · 03-09-2004, 01:55 PM

and the clock ticks.....tocks....ticks.....

03-09-2004, 11:52 AM	#808
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	My "sources" (I do have sources, dammit) say DeVriest to Ottawa, although it's not being reported yet. __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

03-09-2004, 11:57 AM	#810
Fidatelo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Winnipeg, MB	After watching it myself, I don't think what Bertuzzi did is as bad as everyone seems to be saying. He wanted to fight Moore, chased him all over the ice, Moore wouldn't do it (cuz of course Bert would slaughter him). So in frustration Bertuzzi hit him anyways. There is no way Bertuzzi intended for everything after to happen, just as Moore didn't intend for Naslund to be so hurt when he hit him. Bert should be suspended for the sucker punch, but no way should he get anything close to what McSorely got. I'd say 10 games, and only because he is a past offender. __________________ "Breakfast? Breakfast schmekfast, look at the score for God's sake. It's only the second period and I'm winning 12-2. Breakfasts come and go, Rene, but Hartford, the Whale, they only beat Vancouver maybe once or twice in a lifetime."

03-09-2004, 11:59 AM	#811
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	Sportsnet is reporting that Bertuzzi broke Moore's neck. My god... __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

03-09-2004, 12:06 PM	#820
samifan24 Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NC	dola- Dallas Stars have signed FA defenseman Lubomir Sekeras for the remainder of the season. __________________ "You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball...and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time." -Jim Bouton

03-09-2004, 12:19 PM	#823
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	Here's a link on the Moore story: http://wwww.sportsnet.ca/hockey/show...ntent=s030935A (Apparently he's from Thornhill, the town I grew up in.) __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

03-09-2004, 11:36 AM	#802
Pyser Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Los Angeles	well, the entire sport is going to get "suspended" for a calendar year, so i guess they may as well knock him out just for playoffs at this rate

03-09-2004, 12:39 PM	#826
Draft Dodger Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Keene, NH	If you are going to sucker punch someone like that, you are responsible for the consequences. Moore didn't trip over a cat - he was sent face-first into the ice with a great deal of force by a punch he didn't even see coming. It doesn't matter what Bertuzzi intended to happen to Moore. If Bertuzzi was a man and was not hitting a guy skating away from him...Moore would not be lying in a hospital with a broken neck right now. I wonder...do you think Marc Crawford is still laughing about the hit? __________________ Mile High Hockey

03-09-2004, 12:40 PM	#827
samifan24 Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NC	Well you can choose to blame it on physics or you can hold the man accountable for his actions. Yes, we all agree Bertuzzi should be suspended, but I disagree when you blame most of the damage on the physics of the attack. Moore wouldn't be in surgery now if it weren't for Bertuzzi and that's the bottom line. __________________ "You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball...and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time." -Jim Bouton Last edited by samifan24 : 03-09-2004 at 12:41 PM.

03-09-2004, 12:42 PM	#828
bbor Pro Starter Join Date: May 2001 Location: toronto	Looked to me like Bertuzzi hits Moore.....Moore is out on his feet....Bertuzzi's momentum has him land on Moore.Moore being knocked out cannot get his hands up to break his fall and goes face first into the ice. I would say end of season for Bertuzzi...including play-offs. How could it not be? __________________ Pumpy Tudors Now that I've cracked and made that admission, I wonder if I'm only a couple of steps away from wanting to tongue-kiss Jaromir Jagr and give Bobby Clarke a blowjob.

03-09-2004, 01:23 PM	#835
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	It couldn't have helped that the Colorado guy jumped on top of Bertuzzi , and continued to let Moore's face slide across the ice... and for Moore to run away all game after he gave Naslund that consussion... well, he had to know that they were looking to rough him up to say the least... I'm not saying he deserved what Bertuzzi did to him, but he was building up the Canucks players' hatred for him everytime he was on that ice and didn't get hit...

03-09-2004, 01:28 PM	#838
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Since I don't recall seeing it at the time (or since for that matter), I'll ask ... Did Moore cheapshot Naslund ? Or was it just a course-of-play hard hit?

03-09-2004, 01:36 PM	#842
bbor Pro Starter Join Date: May 2001 Location: toronto	What a boring trade deadline. Can't wait to see the tv ratings on this. __________________ Pumpy Tudors Now that I've cracked and made that admission, I wonder if I'm only a couple of steps away from wanting to tongue-kiss Jaromir Jagr and give Bobby Clarke a blowjob.

03-09-2004, 01:40 PM	#844
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	Well, I have to say right now that I didn't see any of the game, and I saw somewhere in this thread that Moore was running all game.. so I assumed that he was ducking all Canucks players for the entire game... you can see why I made my comments now. It'll be really interesting to see what happens now... when do the Canucks and Avs play next?

03-09-2004, 01:41 PM	#845
bbor Pro Starter Join Date: May 2001 Location: toronto	The hurt does'nt stop in Motown...Robert Lang out 3 weeks with cracked ribs. How ya feeling H_B....any injuries in Belgium? __________________ Pumpy Tudors Now that I've cracked and made that admission, I wonder if I'm only a couple of steps away from wanting to tongue-kiss Jaromir Jagr and give Bobby Clarke a blowjob.

03-09-2004, 01:42 PM	#846
bbor Pro Starter Join Date: May 2001 Location: toronto	Hnidy to Nashville for a 3rd roundpick..woohoo __________________ Pumpy Tudors Now that I've cracked and made that admission, I wonder if I'm only a couple of steps away from wanting to tongue-kiss Jaromir Jagr and give Bobby Clarke a blowjob.

03-09-2004, 01:55 PM	#850
bbor Pro Starter Join Date: May 2001 Location: toronto	and the clock ticks.....tocks....ticks..... __________________ Pumpy Tudors Now that I've cracked and made that admission, I wonder if I'm only a couple of steps away from wanting to tongue-kiss Jaromir Jagr and give Bobby Clarke a blowjob.

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