If Trump Loses In November, What Do You Think Happens Next

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Specifically, it is because she went on national television the next day and said she was raped after the trial didn't not convict him of that. I am not sure how much weight that actually has. Is the contrast from rape to sexual assault really that much more damaging to a reputation? "I didn't rape her, I just sexually assaulted her" doesn't really ring as a great defense. I have attorneys say the big thing on this is because he filed it, he can be compelled to testify on the stand and not just in a deposition. That could be interesting.

From what I've read by legal experts this has zero chance of not being laughed out of court and tossed.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Atocep

From what I've read by legal experts this has zero chance of not being laughed out of court and tossed.

Well, it is a Trump lawsuit. Most of them are. I think this mostly an attempt by him to scare her from continuing her suit, which isn't going to work.

[RainMaker]

What state was it filed in? Some states have strong anti-SLAPP laws to prevent those kind of lawsuits.

[CrimsonFox]

maybe Hyde should try this

[GrantDawg]

It is a Federal suit in Manhattan it looks like. Most articles on this just has no information beyond the sensational stuff.

Edit: Yup. Federal suit in Manhattan.

[RainMaker]

BREAKING: Taylor Taranto had guns, 400 rounds of ammunition in his van when he was arrested near Barack Obama’s home.

Donald Trump posted Obama’s address on social media. Taranto reposted it, then showed up.

Story with @FionaGlisson. #AstroNOT https://t.co/SX7qRQqq3Y

— Ryan J. Reilly (@ryanjreilly) June 30, 2023

[PilotMan]

The best people

[Thomkal]

Lin Wood, one of the more "wacky" lawyers who worked on the coup, agrees to permanent retirement from working as a lawyer, except for himself, don't use his law farm's information any more, etc in the hopes that it will prevent him from being disbarred. I can think of some more that I would like to see join this list

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Lin Wood, one of the more "wacky" lawyers who worked on the coup, agrees to permanent retirement from working as a lawyer, except for himself, don't use his law farm's information any more, etc in the hopes that it will prevent him from being disbarred. I can think of some more that I would like to see join this list

Eastman is also looking very likely to lose his law license in California although it doesn't look like it will be officially decided until late august or early september.

Jack Smith also appears to be focused on Giuliani and Sidney Powell. Guiliani met with Jack Smith voluntarily and you have to wonder how hard he threw everyone else under the bus in an attempt to save himself.

[Lathum]

The amount of lives destroyed in servitude to Donald Trump is mind boggling. I truly do not understand how anyone can support him, let alone become part of his orbit until it inevitably becomes their turn to be tossed aside.

[flere-imsaho]

People are poor at assessing risk. They figure the bad stuff won't happen to them, and in the meantime they can make a lot of bank. In theory.

[Ghost Econ]

The vast majority of people aiding and abetting Trumpism have suffered no negative consequences. There's a reason you can name the ones who have.

[GrantDawg]

They also still think they will reascend in power once he is reelected.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Ghost Econ

The vast majority of people aiding and abetting Trumpism have suffered no negative consequences. There's a reason you can name the ones who have.

Agreed. I would say this for anyone in power though. Not just those tied to Trump. Heck, Biden just nominated a war criminal the other day who has suffered no consequences. We have people openly bribing Supreme Court justices.

Trump has been committing crimes for decades. I think it was still a smart bet that committing crimes with him would lead to no consequences. Trump only faces legal consequences because he was dumb and took classified information. It's one of the few things the Feds actually give a shit about.

[RainMaker]

I'd also add that the Bush administration (and even Obama) had far worse people in it. Million or so innocent people dead in the Middle East through their actions. They were filled with war criminals that faced no consequences.

[BYU 14]

Money = Power, Power = Impunity

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

I'd also add that the Bush administration (and even Obama) had far worse people in it. Million or so innocent people dead in the Middle East through their actions. They were filled with war criminals that faced no consequences.

Elliott fucking Abrams just got nominated to a board by Biden.

[Ksyrup]

The only way to beat Trump... one-up him!

During an appearance on @TomiLahren show @GovRonDeSantis says that if he's the nominee he will look at filing legal challenges in states ahead of the election instead of waiting until after - said what happened in 2020 with lawsuits from President Trump came "too late."

— Gary Fineout (@fineout) July 5, 2023

[GrantDawg]

Courts love for people to file claims before anything actually happens.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Courts love for people to file claims before anything actually happens.

well the Supreme Curt just set that precedent, so...

[Lathum]

I was behind a car today that had a Trump 2024 sticker and several Vietnam Vet stickers. I am completely blown away that someone who either enlisted or was drafted to go fight, likely experienced horrors none of us could comprehend, likely saw friends die, etc...could support a guy who got 5 BS deferment for the same conflict, likely sending someone to die in their place, then called POW, MIA, KIA losers.

I will just never understand it.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I was behind a car today that had a Trump 2024 sticker and several Vietnam Vet stickers. I am completely blown away that someone who either enlisted or was drafted to go fight, likely experienced horrors none of us could comprehend, likely saw friends die, etc...could support a guy who got 5 BS deferment for the same conflict, likely sending someone to die in their place, then called POW, MIA, KIA losers.

I will just never understand it.

They don't believe he did. If he stood up and said it at a rally, they still wouldn't believe he did.

[GrantDawg]

Trump's attorneys overnight have filed a request that no trial date be set for his documents case and that no trial to happen before the 2024 election. What a surprise.

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[JPhillips]

When you think about it it's pretty shocking how the GOP is basically indistinguishable from QAnon at this point. Look at what motivates them, the stolen election, pedophile groomers, deep state, Russia, etc. It's all stuff straight out of QAnon of four years ago.

[Ksyrup]

That Caviezel movie is apparently a pretty big hit amongst a certain subset of GOPers.

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

That Caviezel movie is apparently a pretty big hit amongst a certain subset of GOPers.

You mean the one that that very same subset are claiming is being repressed, hidden, put in bad theaters, and generally done wrong by AMC, in spite of just how amazingly popular it is!?



It's always something. There's always a hidden force and agenda holding them back and working against them. People who don't trust anything, who have had their base shattered, and there is no reality they will accept that doesn't include some manner of attack.

[Ghost Econ]

So I enter sweepstakes online... normally just spend time before bed as it bores me and helps me to fall asleep. The number of ticket giveaways I've seen for this movie is astounding. From what I understand, they're treating where someone buys a shit ton of tickets and gives them out for others to see. Basically the same way every conservative author gets a NYT best seller but no one has ever read it. It's just millions of tickets sold but no one actually in the theaters.

I really wish I had the personality where I felt comfortable bilking these idiots for money like the people they worship. I've had a billion ideas of things to sell them but can't bring myself to be that much of a piece of shit.

[JPhillips]

Yeah, there's always money in the conservative grift.

[GrantDawg]

This seems to happen every so often. A movie that is "faith based" comes out (such as "The Passion of the Christ"). It sells better than expected. The whole religiuos money machine screams how Hollywood is out of touch, and they are going to produce more films focused on value-based issues. They crank out crappy movies that no one watches. The movement dies until the next "faith based" movie does well. Then repeat the cycle.

[flere-imsaho]

See also: Act of Valor.

[RainMaker]

This is a pretty wild thread about some J6 terrorist melting down at court and maybe costing herself more prison time.

Standby. Southard — who’s facing prospect and recommendation of six year prison term - will speak soon

— Scott MacFarlane (@MacFarlaneNews) July 14, 2023

[Thomkal]

But well enough to try to overthrow the govt

[RainMaker]

They added a terror enhancement that made the possible time go to 10 years but it looks like the Judge still showed leniency and gave her 6 that the Feds originally recommended in the plea.

[Thomkal]

I hope that she gets some mental health treatment in prison

[Lathum]

Should have given her the ten. These people show no remorse and have learned nothing.

[RainMaker]

Yeah but she's white.

[CrimsonFox]

wow she attacked a police sgt with a flagpole. actually struck him and pushed his head against a marble statue. Also screamed "Pelosi, we're comin for you bitch!"

[CrimsonFox]

oh wow this is happoening in REAL TIME folks. The prosecution removed the deal to reduce her sentence. SHe can get 10 years now

She kept glaring at and yelling at specific people in the courtroom. Fox news really did a number on her

I wish she would have demonstrated her operatic abilities by singing her list of grievances

[CrimsonFox]

https://twitter.com/MacFarlaneNews/s...39763757891584

go here forlive updates

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

oh wow this is happoening in REAL TIME folks. The prosecution removed the deal to reduce her sentence. SHe can get 10 years now

She kept glaring at and yelling at specific people in the courtroom. Fox news really did a number on her

I wish she would have demonstrated her operatic abilities by singing her list of grievances

Yeah, the judge went light on it and only gave her 6 years. She also doesn't have to report to prison now for some reason despite her insane rambling and showing zero remorse.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Yeah, the judge went light on it and only gave her 6 years. She also doesn't have to report to prison now for some reason despite her insane rambling and showing zero remorse.

yeah

it was still the macimum for her original case so it's not really "light". He just didn't do anything extra because of her outbursts

I don't know why they are coddling these terrorists

[CrimsonFox]

heh i'm always late to the party

apologies, rainmaker, you already posted the link

[CrimsonFox]

she has a nice dress. It will look great on someone that gets it at goodwill

[whomario]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

That Caviezel movie is apparently a pretty big hit amongst a certain subset of GOPers.

Maybe people should be "just asking questions" about it?

[Lathum]

Her outburst definitely cost her more time. No one is getting the recommended sentence and he gave it to her. Given her outburst she absolutely should have been sent to prison. How many minorities are rotting right now pending trial because they can’t afford the bond. It’s bullshit.

Not going to go so far as to wish her death, but if she died in prison I wouldn’t she’d a tear.

[GrantDawg]

Meanwhile, Trump has gone directly to the Georgia Supreme Court to try to get Fani Wllis removed from his case in Georgia, and have the grand jury finding permanently sealed. His lawyers literally cited a court finding in the case that stipulates what they are trying can be done the way they are trying. It is so obvious he forces lawyers to do what he wants not what is legally required.

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[CrimsonFox]

Here's one that shoved a cop and threatened Pelosi with hanging that got 2 years when prosecutors wanted 6 yrs 6 Months.

https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs...nia-sentencing

I guess you guys are right about the opera woman would have got a lighter sentence if she'd kept her trap shut. But really the flagpole thing is total assault, not just a push.

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Here's the sentencing for one of the first scalers that was the one that pinned the cop against the wall with a riot shield and struck another officer.
Got 7.5 years.

https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/inves...ficer/3014011/

He argued that his father told him bad info and that he new nothing of the 2020 electionand also argued that he'd never do it again because this type of situation would never happen again.

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https://abc7chicago.com/kevin-lyons-...tack/13504069/

Yikes, this man got 4 year 3 months but didn't do any assulting of police. He just stole a picture from pelosi that was never found and joked about things a lot.

So yeah compared to the other two above, he got it bad

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This literal butcher got 7 years got throwing a "spear" at police

https://www.abc27.com/news/us-world/...ars-in-prison/

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https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/21/u...-sentence.html

This guy got 12 years for being a raving conspiracy theory psychopath....was literally on the warpath, braeking in and destroying things,k instructing others to find "intel" and was a cock in the courtroom to the judge even after sentencing shouted Trump won.

Oh yeah he used a stungun on police.


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tis the season to be sentenced...

[CrimsonFox]

Capitol riot suspect arrested near Obama’s home will remain jailed until trial, judge rules – WATE 6 On Your Side

Well at least one of these guys will stay in jail until the trial

[flere-imsaho]

It's still crazy to me that this people literally* tried to overthrow the government and they're all getting sentences less than 10 years, and many less than 5.

To me, the trials should start with the supposition of "so, explain why we shouldn't hang you" and then work back from that.

*in the correct use of the word, no less

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

It's still crazy to me that this people literally* tried to overthrow the government and they're all getting sentences less than 10 years, and many less than 5.

To me, the trials should start with the supposition of "so, explain why we shouldn't hang you" and then work back from that.

*in the correct use of the word, no less

I agree. I would be totally OK with every one of then being executed.

That being said I think a lot of the sentences are plea deals or lesser charges that are slam dunks.

I'm not an attorney but I suspect treason, etc...would be a lot harder to get a conviction on so they are taking what they can and giving out enough sentences that these people will be locked up until the 2028 cycle and hopefully by the MAGA is a bad memory.

The problem with that is it fuels the fire of people denying this was an insurrection by allowing them to state, correctly, that no one has been charged with insurrection.