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Great - above my expectations | 18 | 6.87% | |
Good - met most of my expectations | 66 | 25.19% | |
Average - so so, disappointed a little | 64 | 24.43% | |
Bad - sold us out | 101 | 38.55% | |
Trout - don't know yet | 13 | 4.96% | |
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02-11-2010, 09:45 AM | #8351 | |
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Sorry but that is just a bad of an answer as the illogical "solutions" you speak of. And I think you know you won't catch me in some "defend Bush" arguement either because he was a complete trainwreck as a president If we don't stop printing money, don't stop spending money and fighting wars without raising taxes to pay for it, we are heading to something a bit more serious than "To big the fail". |
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02-11-2010, 09:46 AM | #8352 | |
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You're correct. I never tried to pass it off as unbiased journalism, though it should be noted that the quote from the president was direct and unaltered. Last edited by Mizzou B-ball fan : 02-11-2010 at 09:47 AM. |
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02-11-2010, 09:52 AM | #8353 |
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And once again, you fall back on that crutch of an argument that holds no merit. I've repeatedly blasted the spending by Bush in his second term. The argument that one isn't better than the other is a very weak and overly used argument in this forum. I've called out both Republican and Democrat administrations on their spending. I've called out both Republican and Democratic congressman on their wasteful spending (including my own representatives I might add). It's fine to say you agree with the debt being run up. It's lazy and disingenuous to say 'they did it, so it's no worse than that'. |
02-11-2010, 10:00 AM | #8354 | |
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When Republican officials stop genuflecting to the teabaggers I'll ignore them, but as long as the elected GOPers follow the lead of the Tea Parties they are well worth watching.
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02-11-2010, 10:01 AM | #8355 | |
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It should also be noted it was an excerpt from an unreleased interview that was being used to get more people to read a biased editorial. But, being the good member of the flock, you passed it on, made some failed reading comprehension evaluations, and went back to policing the interwebs for "democrats are spending my money, Obama is a flip flopping liar" articles to post.
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02-11-2010, 10:03 AM | #8356 | ||
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The problem with the Tea Baggers is that it's hard to figure out what they are for. Are they about fiscal responsibility or tax cuts no matter what? Maybe they're birthers? Maybe they're anti-immigration? Maybe they're pro-war, but maybe they're anti-war? At the end of the day there doesn't seem to be much that unites them except anger at Obama. Here's a good article or "article" or article or article or article* by a conservative journalist who attended the convention. Quote:
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02-11-2010, 10:04 AM | #8357 | |
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02-11-2010, 10:05 AM | #8358 | |
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FYI - the world "article" doesn't imply unbiased, and neither does anything else I said.
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02-11-2010, 10:06 AM | #8359 | |
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Honestly, the GOP has turned the Tea Party goofballs into a political heat shield of sorts. They let the Democrats focus on the Tea Party while quietly riding along a parallel road. It makes the Democrats look even more distracted and off-point while allowing the GOP to continue forth relatively free of criticism. It's a situation that the Democrats have created for themselves by focusing so heavily on Palin and the Tea Party. |
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02-11-2010, 10:11 AM | #8360 | ||
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Was that bolded part really necessary? http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/incongruous SI
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02-11-2010, 10:11 AM | #8361 | |
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You've driven home the exact point many are making. It continues to be puzzling at best why the Democrats waste so much time focusing on this small group of 'kooks' while allowing the GOP to work along with very little criticism. This just in.......the GOP and the disgruntled public opinion about Obama's policies is a far bigger threat to the Democrats than the Tea Party or Sarah Palin. |
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02-11-2010, 10:16 AM | #8362 | |
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and that is untrue. You did NOT call out the Republican spending when they were in office which is why your chastising now draws such ire. You may call them out now (Congressman that is) however you still have given them shoulder room when accepting the tarp dollars even when they railed against it. Its lazy and disingenuous when you faux shock or senstitivty yet you continue to do it without apology.
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02-11-2010, 10:17 AM | #8363 | |||
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I think I touched on this point the other day (different thread maybe?), that "tea party" is pretty much used as a catch-all term at this point & covers an extremely broad range of "most important issue" voters. Quote:
I'd argue that's more along the lines of "an extreme dislike of liberal policies and/or liberals" moreso than Obama. Stick another equally unqualified figure in the WH & you'd get pretty much the same reaction, point being it just happens to be Obama since he's the guy in the chair. Quote:
Fixed that for you.
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02-11-2010, 10:19 AM | #8364 | |
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your first and last sentence contradict eachother but it is awesome that you spun your own brain into blaming the dems when you start by saying that the GOP have 'turned' meaning to effect. nice.
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02-11-2010, 10:20 AM | #8365 | |
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I'd strongly disagree, at least at this point as far as re-election is concerned. Right now, if you count Palin outside the GOP at least for the time being (since she's at least vaguely hinted at a possible indy/3rd party run), I don't see a Rep. that could beat the son of a bitch without following the same path Palin has. If they run another weak half-assed candidate like McCain they'll get beat the same way they did last time unless Barry decides to rape a goat on the lawn at Easter. And even then it'd be a toss-up.
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02-11-2010, 10:22 AM | #8366 | |
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They aren't contradictory at all. The Democrats created the Tea Party (perhaps it would be better to say they gave the movement some form of legitimacy with their criticisms) and the Republicans are more than happy to use that movement as a heat shield. It's quite simple really. Last edited by Mizzou B-ball fan : 02-11-2010 at 10:37 AM. |
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02-11-2010, 10:32 AM | #8367 | |
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People like to point to payroll tax (6% to 100K) and sales tax (around 6-7% on purchases) as taxes middle to lower income people pay. So, they do pay some taxes, but the federal income tax burden is extremely skewed. The top 5% reported 26.8% of the income, but paid 43.4% of the taxes. The bottom 50% of tax filers reported 15.1% of the income, but paid only 5.5% of the taxes. Some estimate that the top 50% of tax filers will pay for over 97% of the taxes in the next 5 years. The wealthy also pay payroll tax on their first 100K and pay sales tax - so there is a pretty big tax burden on the rich in this country. |
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02-11-2010, 10:32 AM | #8368 | |
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Oh, I agree with that. I would certainly think it would be a more conservative candidate than McCain. |
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02-11-2010, 10:40 AM | #8369 |
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If Palin ends up with the GOP nomination, I predict that Obama's re-election margin would make Reagan-Mondale look like Bush-Gore or Kennedy-Nixon.
I saw a statistic the other day that mentioned of the times a losing VP candidate ran as a presidential candidate later on, there were 4 wins against 12 losses. All four wins were FDR.
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02-11-2010, 10:56 AM | #8370 | |
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Who does the GOP have out there? It's definitely hazy 2 years out on the horizon but the big name still seem to be Romney, Huckabee, and Palin and all have serious warts (but what politician doesn't). And the Tea Party seems intent on crucifying any moderate candidate who could get broad based support in the general election (like Crist). SI
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02-11-2010, 10:59 AM | #8371 | ||
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But when presented with a moderate GOP vs. Obama, there's little question who they'll vote for (assuming they don't have their own candidate). Last edited by Mizzou B-ball fan : 02-11-2010 at 11:00 AM. |
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02-11-2010, 11:12 AM | #8372 |
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If this was a different time, Obama might face a real challenge in the Democratic primaries. That probably can't happen today, but how many Democrats wouldn't mind a "do-over" wth Hillary Clinton?
I'd vote for anyone v. Palin, Clinton v. many Republicans, and any remotely moderate Republican v. Obama. Last edited by molson : 02-11-2010 at 11:13 AM. |
02-11-2010, 11:26 AM | #8373 |
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Oh hell no. You think you're seeing partisan fighting now? Imagine how bad it would be if Clinton was President.
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02-11-2010, 11:36 AM | #8374 | |
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02-11-2010, 11:51 AM | #8375 | |
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The one thing Obama has going for him is time. Just based on time, the economy is bound to turn around by 2012. So if we're down to 7% unemployment and the DOW is at 13,000, he's got more to campaign on. It seems shitty to say but when you come into power under horrible times, you can basically take the credit for any improvements regardless of whether you made it happen or not. He will have improvements to show simple based on the fact it couldn't get much worse. |
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02-11-2010, 11:56 AM | #8376 | |
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The conspiracy theorist comparision is probably the best. It reminds me a bit of the truthers that ran around over the years holding conventions and protesting for "the truth". Not nearly as big or received the same coverage, but similar. |
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02-11-2010, 12:01 PM | #8377 | |
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You are right that I like gridlock in Washington but that doesn't seem to stop the Replublicrats and Demolicans from spending. Neither Republicans or Democrats ever seem to have any problems wastefully spending money in the wakes of such "crises" as... 2006-10: Banking 2001-5: Terrorism 1999-2000: Dot.com bubble crisis 1990's: Surprisingly no real complaints from me. The cross of Clinton and the Republicans in Congress seemed to actually try and curb spending. (Maybe this is a good sign for the GOP takeover in 2010?) 1986-1991: S & L Crisis 1980's: Inner City Drug Crisis/Communists are coming! 1976-1980: Oil/Energy Crisis 1950-1989: Communism Weird that we are always in a crisis and Washington always has to spend money. (Raising taxes might effect relections or kill the "two party" spending system) Wish I could live my life that way! Another crisis! I will buy a car on my credit card. I can pay it off down the road but right now I am in a crisis!!!!!! Car broke down. Need to buy a jet. Put it on my card. It's a crisis!!!!! Last edited by panerd : 02-11-2010 at 12:02 PM. |
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02-11-2010, 12:02 PM | #8378 | |
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Almost all of the difference would just be style. Clinton might have been able to get more done, but substantively there just isn't much difference between Obama and Clinton. What do you think she would have done differently?
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02-11-2010, 12:04 PM | #8379 | |
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For one there would be no tea party because they are just racists in disguise so everyone would be happy. Nobody would care about spending if it was a white doing it. |
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02-11-2010, 12:24 PM | #8380 | |
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02-11-2010, 12:26 PM | #8381 | |
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The converse is also true. If he can't fix a mess that he didn't have a hand in creating and only has a limited hand in fixing, he'll be blamed for it. SI
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02-11-2010, 12:41 PM | #8383 | |
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02-11-2010, 12:45 PM | #8384 | |
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Overall spending grew during the Clinton years, but higher taxes and a booming economy led to a surplus.
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02-11-2010, 12:56 PM | #8385 | |
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So with two more House GOP retirements over the last couple of days that means more than 10% of the House GOP caucus is retiring. Ready to retire a silly meme or still seeing the writing on the wall? You decide.
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02-11-2010, 01:06 PM | #8386 | |
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Much of that depends on which two retired. They were? |
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I don't seem to recall similar qualifiers when it was democrats who were retiring.
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Diaz-Balart and a guy in MI that I can't recall.
Why does it matter who if they are GOP? Isn't retiring alone enough to know that they must be running scared? Or maybe, as I said when Dodd et al retired, retirement decisions are more complicated.
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You don't have to qualify it when you know the scenarios surrounding the retirements. It was clear when those retirements occurred exactly what the motivation was in each situation. |
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02-11-2010, 01:16 PM | #8391 | |
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So you aren't even aware of who you're talking about in one case, but you're willing to suggest that they're 'running scared"? Your arguments recently have really taken a dive. You can do better than that. Make the argument as to why each of them is "running scared" if you actually believe it. Otherwise, don't suggest it. |
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When you are always looking up from your vantage point, everything appears to be a dive.
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Thank you for proving my point.
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Can we just delete the last 50 or so posts and start over?
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