2015-2016 Republican Primary Season - Trump Courts the Conservatives - Page 16

Easy Mac · 09-18-2015, 11:07 AM

For some reason, there are 4 old guys wearing confederate soldier garb and waiving around large confederate flags outside my office building. Not sure if they're protesting the Republican forum down the block or what. I did hear Ben Carson was coming to eat at the member restaurant upstairs, so maybe they're just old racist white guys.

RainMaker · 09-18-2015, 12:27 PM

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I bite my tongue hard because for 37 years I was the guy that would get pissed off when someone would say "Well you really wouldn't understand unless you have kids". And I still agree parents hide behind this excuse for a lot of things. However I think a few of the posters on here without kids are clearly ignoring what we are saying and creating their own narrative just because they think we are overprotective parents...

This is the only thing I took issue with.

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Trump is right about the idea of spreading the other vaccines out and not necessarily needing all of them.

This is just spreading false information. There is zero scientific evidence that shows spreading out the vaccines is the right thing to do. In fact, the scientific evidence points the other way.

Now if it makes you feel better to do that with your child that's fine. The added risks are minimal. It gives you piece of mind. Just don't treat that decision as scientifically sound like you were.

lighthousekeeper · 09-18-2015, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy Mac

For some reason, there are 4 old guys wearing confederate soldier garb and waiving around large confederate flags outside my office building. Not sure if they're protesting the Republican forum down the block or what. I did hear Ben Carson was coming to eat at the member restaurant upstairs, so maybe they're just old racist white guys.

They may be declaring war against the union.

stevew · 09-18-2015, 06:42 PM

Odds that Anti Muslim guy at the Trump rally was a paid plant? Smells like a Bush move

Thomkal · 09-18-2015, 07:16 PM

Seems like the right place for this given many of the Candidates position on Planned Parenthood. Looks like the House has voted to defund them for a year. As a gay man, I've not really paid any attention to this story at all, so curious your thoughts on PP-are those videos they keep talking about for real? do they sell baby parts?

PilotMan · 09-18-2015, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal

Seems like the right place for this given many of the Candidates position on Planned Parenthood. Looks like the House has voted to defund them for a year. As a gay man, I've not really paid any attention to this story at all, so curious your thoughts on PP-are those videos they keep talking about for real? do they sell baby parts?

Some facts for consumption.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact...d-controversy/

miked · 09-18-2015, 08:21 PM

It's odd because they do a lot more other than abortions (which can be done at other places as well). So it really does seem a bit like a screwjob. I thought there was already a law or something that federal funds could not be used for abortions, so I'm not sure what defunding them does.

I also think it's silly (but predictable) that there is no due process here. A bunch of heavily edited and out of context tapes (which were obtained illegally) seems like poor evidence to base large decisions upon, but yay for politics.

SackAttack · 09-18-2015, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by miked

It's odd because they do a lot more other than abortions (which can be done at other places as well). So it really does seem a bit like a screwjob. I thought there was already a law or something that federal funds could not be used for abortions, so I'm not sure what defunding them does.

I also think it's silly (but predictable) that there is no due process here. A bunch of heavily edited and out of context tapes (which were obtained illegally) seems like poor evidence to base large decisions upon, but yay for politics.

They did the same shit with ACORN. People who engage in shenanigans are just fine if the shenanigans they engage in hurt something "you" disagree with, as far as they're concerned.

There is a federal law restricting federal funding from being used for abortions. And those who want to defund Planned Parenthood will argue that it's fungible - "if they're spending federal dollars on pap smears it frees up their OTHER funding for abortion mills!"

Thomkal · 09-18-2015, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by PilotMan

Some facts for consumption.

PolitiFact Sheet: 8 things to know about the Planned Parenthood controversy | PunditFact

Thanks PM that was helpful.

GrantDawg · 09-19-2015, 05:17 AM

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Hey, nice to see you around here lately.

Just to be clear, Rainmaker was saying that you're the moron and the doctor is pandering to you.

So, like I said, nice to see you around here...moron.

I prefer maroon.

Dutch · 09-19-2015, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Easy Mac

For some reason, there are 4 old guys wearing confederate soldier garb and waiving around large confederate flags outside my office building. Not sure if they're protesting the Republican forum down the block or what. I did hear Ben Carson was coming to eat at the member restaurant upstairs, so maybe they're just old racist white guys.

Ahhh, at first I didn't think they were racists...but then you said they were white. Yep, racists.

Dutch · 09-19-2015, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Easy Mac

There's a 6 hour Republican forum in Greenville tonight with the same candidates from the debate. Was 3 mind numbing hours somehow not enough for these people?

Why are you watching or listening to 9 hours of anything you consider mind-numbing?

Arles · 09-19-2015, 03:36 PM

From the first debate, but enjoyable nonetheless:

Bad Lip Reading: First GOP 2016 Presidential Debate

Thomkal · 09-19-2015, 08:04 PM

I like the "closing songs" a lot better than the actual debate

Izulde · 09-21-2015, 03:26 PM

Log In - The New York Times

Bye Felicia.

digamma · 09-21-2015, 03:26 PM

Bye Scott Walker.

Thomkal · 09-21-2015, 04:00 PM

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Bye Scott Walker.

How sad....Not!

cartman · 09-21-2015, 04:01 PM

I wonder if things would have been different if there was some sort of union available for presidential contenders.

Solecismic · 09-21-2015, 04:13 PM

I remember saying not that long ago that I thought there was an excellent chance he'd win. But he was awful in the debate format.

In the meantime, Fiorina is getting quite a bump now, along with Rubio.

JPhillips · 09-21-2015, 04:35 PM

what worse giuliani campaign or Walker?

mckerney · 09-21-2015, 04:44 PM

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what worse giuliani campaign or Walker?

Did Giuliani ever poll at 0% and trail behind the "no one" option?

lungs · 09-21-2015, 04:46 PM

Damn. It was kind of nice having Walker out of Wisconsin for a while. Now we have to deal with him again.

SackAttack · 09-21-2015, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

I wonder if things would have been different if there was some sort of union available for presidential contenders.

I have never wished so much that there was a 'rec' or a 'favorite' or whatever else on this forum.

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Originally Posted by Solecismic

I remember saying not that long ago that I thought there was an excellent chance he'd win. But he was awful in the debate format.

In the meantime, Fiorina is getting quite a bump now, along with Rubio.

I have never been happier in my life to be wrong.

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Damn. It was kind of nice having Walker out of Wisconsin for a while. Now we have to deal with him again.

I feel like this goes one of two ways. 1) he emerges chastened from this experience, much like Kasich did after Ohio rejected his attempt to bust the unions, and governs much more reasonably or 2) he goes after his political enemies in the state as "revenge" after losing out on his Presidential bid in the hopes it will make him look more Presidenty in four years.

I guess there's the long shot "Republican Assembly votes to impeach as punishment for the way Walker tried to hold them up as being one of the obstacles he valiantly overcame in his attempt to break the evil unions."

But, y'know, I wouldn't put money on that.

JonInMiddleGA · 09-21-2015, 06:09 PM

Walker largely performed to my feelings that he just wasn't quite ready for this stage yet. 4-8 years in a cabinet role would add to his resume, I would fully expect to see him in the field again in the future.

He's one of the very few stars in the party at this point, one of even fewer who does things that need to be done, says things that need to be said.

Dutch · 09-21-2015, 07:48 PM

Have any of these dudes mentioned our out of control national debt yet?

SackAttack · 09-21-2015, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Dutch

Have any of these dudes mentioned our out of control national debt yet?

When they do I'm certain it will be in the context of two expensive wars in the aftermath of significant tax cuts and it won't at all be about "Obamaphones" and "welfare queens."

Because that would be the responsible outlook and if there's one thing I know about the Republican Party, it's that they're responsible stewa--oh god i can't even finish that sentence

nol · 09-21-2015, 08:37 PM

Walker was about to catapult his way back into relevancy by declaring Joe Flacco an elite quarterback in the National Football League, but Trump stole his thunder.

.@HighSock_Sunday #asktrump pic.twitter.com/qVakUzXZAb
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 21, 2015

Bisbo · 09-21-2015, 08:56 PM

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He's one of the very few stars in the party at this point, one of even fewer who does things that need to be done, says things that need to be said.

LOL

BillJasper · 09-21-2015, 09:03 PM

So is Mike Huckabee pretty much just saying anything at this point in an attempt to gain traction?

SackAttack · 09-21-2015, 09:14 PM

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So is Mike Huckabee pretty much just saying anything at this point in an attempt to gain traction?

No. Mike Huckabee has made a post-pulpit career out of saying outrageous things. It's what he does, and it's why he was briefly a protest candidate after McCain had the 2008 nomination all but sewn up.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 09-21-2015, 09:37 PM

I think Trump would make for a more interesting general election cycle, but I think Fiorina has the best chance of the Republican candidates at beating Clinton.

Solecismic · 09-23-2015, 01:47 PM

Trump has declared he will no longer appear on Fox News shows. Nothing about his candidacy makes sense. If there were a candidate who promised to nuke Washington DC, I wonder if he'd get Trump's numbers in the polls.

I still wonder if he even makes it to Iowa.

ISiddiqui · 09-23-2015, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

I think Trump would make for a more interesting general election cycle, but I think Fiorina has the best chance of the Republican candidates at beating Clinton.

To be honest, I think Rubio is actually the best Republican chance. I think that the FactCheck type sites would have a field day with Fiorina (she basically was wrong about everything in the last debate) and someone like Clinton would hammer that home. On the other hand, Rubio doesn't outright fib and has a very, very good handle on things, especially international relations.

RainMaker · 09-23-2015, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

I think Trump would make for a more interesting general election cycle, but I think Fiorina has the best chance of the Republican candidates at beating Clinton.

I still think Jeb has the best chance at beating Clinton. He was a Governor and won't get hammered in the hispanic vote. Fiorina is going to get hammered on the HP and Lucent stuff in a general election.

albionmoonlight · 09-23-2015, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

To be honest, I think Rubio is actually the best Republican chance. I think that the FactCheck type sites would have a field day with Fiorina (she basically was wrong about everything in the last debate) and someone like Clinton would hammer that home. On the other hand, Rubio doesn't outright fib and has a very, very good handle on things, especially international relations.

I'm a solid Democrat, so I am not the best person to say who the GOP should nominate. But I think that Rubio is, by far, their strongest candidate. In particular, he's got a youthful energy and outsider vibe that contrasts very well with Clinton. (But he's not actually an outsider, so he won't scare away the Establishment support).

BillJasper · 09-23-2015, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

I still think Jeb has the best chance at beating Clinton. He was a Governor and won't get hammered in the hispanic vote. Fiorina is going to get hammered on the HP and Lucent stuff in a general election.

+1

Solecismic · 09-23-2015, 02:32 PM

Bush is running against his last name, though.

It does seem, increasingly, that this looks like a Bush/Rubio race from the perspective of who can mount a serious challenge in the General. Fiorina and Carson are intriguing in their own way, but I see them as the Democrats see Sanders - too far from the center to avoid problems with independents.

But Bush's body language in these debates is remarkably negative. He truly hates these parades. Which might make him more qualified as a human being, but could prevent him from gaining traction in the race.

My guess is Rubio at this point.

ISiddiqui · 09-23-2015, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

I'm a solid Democrat, so I am not the best person to say who the GOP should nominate. But I think that Rubio is, by far, their strongest candidate. In particular, he's got a youthful energy and outsider vibe that contrasts very well with Clinton. (But he's not actually an outsider, so he won't scare away the Establishment support).

As a solid Democrat myself, I'll agree that Rubio scares the shit out of me.

RainMaker · 09-23-2015, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Solecismic

Bush is running against his last name, though.

Which is unfortunate because I think he differs a great deal from his brother. I would vote for him in a head to head with Clinton.

AENeuman · 09-23-2015, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

I'm a solid Democrat, so I am not the best person to say who the GOP should nominate. But I think that Rubio is, by far, their strongest candidate. In particular, he's got a youthful energy and outsider vibe that contrasts very well with Clinton. (But he's not actually an outsider, so he won't scare away the Establishment support).

I think either Florida candidate can beat Clinton. Assuming not much change from 2012 and wining FL, they could put all their resources into winning VA, OH and a west state.

sabotai · 09-23-2015, 03:09 PM

I'd put money on it either being Jeb or Rubio, and I'd say I'm a little above 50/50 on voting for either of them over Hilary.

Thomkal · 09-23-2015, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

I'm a solid Democrat, so I am not the best person to say who the GOP should nominate. But I think that Rubio is, by far, their strongest candidate. In particular, he's got a youthful energy and outsider vibe that contrasts very well with Clinton. (But he's not actually an outsider, so he won't scare away the Establishment support).

As a Democrat, I would agree with this. Not sure how Hispanics like his anti-Castro, anti-Cuban stance though.

Thomkal · 09-23-2015, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Solecismic

Bush is running against his last name, though.

It does seem, increasingly, that this looks like a Bush/Rubio race from the perspective of who can mount a serious challenge in the General. Fiorina and Carson are intriguing in their own way, but I see them as the Democrats see Sanders - too far from the center to avoid problems with independents.

But Bush's body language in these debates is remarkably negative. He truly hates these parades. Which might make him more qualified as a human being, but could prevent him from gaining traction in the race.

My guess is Rubio at this point.

He's not nearly as good speaker as his brother or father. Carson when the media concentrates on him more, will find he's "out there " on a lot of stuff and his anti-Muslim comments recently didn't help him.

ISiddiqui · 09-23-2015, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal

As a Democrat, I would agree with this. Not sure how Hispanics like his anti-Castro, anti-Cuban stance though.

True. I also think his statements on abortion may really kill him with women in the general (no exemptions for rape and incest).

Thomkal · 09-23-2015, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

True. I also think his statements on abortion may really kill him with women in the general (no exemptions for rape and incest).

Let's face he (and all the other Reub, Candidates) are no friend to gay voters either. There just too may groups with a lot of people in them that don't like Republicans.

ISiddiqui · 09-23-2015, 04:10 PM

Well, yes... but gay voters are potentially 5-10% of the electorate while women voters are potentially 50% of the electorate

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Thomkal · 09-23-2015, 04:35 PM

Trump Reignites Feud with Fox News - NBC News

Can we get CNN and MSNBC to be "unfair" to him too?

Trump Reignites Feud with Fox News - NBC News

Kodos · 09-23-2015, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal

He's not nearly as good speaker as his brother or father. Carson when the media concentrates on him more, will find he's "out there " on a lot of stuff and his anti-Muslim comments recently didn't help him.

Wait. Not as good a speaker as W?

JPhillips · 09-23-2015, 04:45 PM

So who's next to drop out?

My guess is Santorum.

Thomkal · 09-23-2015, 04:49 PM

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Wait. Not as good a speaker as W?

Well I guess I should say worse than W

09-18-2015, 08:21 PM	#757
miked College Starter Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The Dirty	It's odd because they do a lot more other than abortions (which can be done at other places as well). So it really does seem a bit like a screwjob. I thought there was already a law or something that federal funds could not be used for abortions, so I'm not sure what defunding them does. I also think it's silly (but predictable) that there is no due process here. A bunch of heavily edited and out of context tapes (which were obtained illegally) seems like poor evidence to base large decisions upon, but yay for politics. __________________ Commish of the United Baseball League (OOTP 6.5)

09-19-2015, 03:36 PM	#763
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	From the first debate, but enjoyable nonetheless: Bad Lip Reading: First GOP 2016 Presidential Debate __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com Last edited by Arles : 09-19-2015 at 03:37 PM.

09-21-2015, 03:26 PM	#765
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09-21-2015, 04:01 PM	#768
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	I wonder if things would have been different if there was some sort of union available for presidential contenders. __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

09-21-2015, 04:35 PM	#770
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09-18-2015, 11:07 AM	#751
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	For some reason, there are 4 old guys wearing confederate soldier garb and waiving around large confederate flags outside my office building. Not sure if they're protesting the Republican forum down the block or what. I did hear Ben Carson was coming to eat at the member restaurant upstairs, so maybe they're just old racist white guys.

09-18-2015, 06:42 PM	#754
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Odds that Anti Muslim guy at the Trump rally was a paid plant? Smells like a Bush move

09-18-2015, 07:16 PM	#755
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	Seems like the right place for this given many of the Candidates position on Planned Parenthood. Looks like the House has voted to defund them for a year. As a gay man, I've not really paid any attention to this story at all, so curious your thoughts on PP-are those videos they keep talking about for real? do they sell baby parts?

09-19-2015, 08:04 PM	#764
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	I like the "closing songs" a lot better than the actual debate

09-21-2015, 03:26 PM	#766
digamma Torchbearer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: On Lake Harriet	Bye Scott Walker.

09-21-2015, 04:13 PM	#769
Solecismic Solecismic Software Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Canton, OH	I remember saying not that long ago that I thought there was an excellent chance he'd win. But he was awful in the debate format. In the meantime, Fiorina is getting quite a bump now, along with Rubio.

09-21-2015, 04:46 PM	#772
lungs Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Prairie du Sac, WI	Damn. It was kind of nice having Walker out of Wisconsin for a while. Now we have to deal with him again.

09-21-2015, 06:09 PM	#774
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Walker largely performed to my feelings that he just wasn't quite ready for this stage yet. 4-8 years in a cabinet role would add to his resume, I would fully expect to see him in the field again in the future. He's one of the very few stars in the party at this point, one of even fewer who does things that need to be done, says things that need to be said. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

09-21-2015, 07:48 PM	#775
Dutch "Dutch" Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Tampa, FL	Have any of these dudes mentioned our out of control national debt yet?

09-21-2015, 08:37 PM	#777
nol Banned Join Date: Oct 2003	Walker was about to catapult his way back into relevancy by declaring Joe Flacco an elite quarterback in the National Football League, but Trump stole his thunder. .@HighSock_Sunday #asktrump pic.twitter.com/qVakUzXZAb — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 21, 2015

09-21-2015, 09:03 PM	#779
BillJasper Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Northern Kentucky	So is Mike Huckabee pretty much just saying anything at this point in an attempt to gain traction? __________________ The Confederacy lost, it is time to dismantle it.

09-21-2015, 09:37 PM	#781
Mizzou B-ball fan General Manager Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kansas City, MO	I think Trump would make for a more interesting general election cycle, but I think Fiorina has the best chance of the Republican candidates at beating Clinton.

09-23-2015, 01:47 PM	#782
Solecismic Solecismic Software Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Canton, OH	Trump has declared he will no longer appear on Fox News shows. Nothing about his candidacy makes sense. If there were a candidate who promised to nuke Washington DC, I wonder if he'd get Trump's numbers in the polls. I still wonder if he even makes it to Iowa.

09-23-2015, 02:32 PM	#787
Solecismic Solecismic Software Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Canton, OH	Bush is running against his last name, though. It does seem, increasingly, that this looks like a Bush/Rubio race from the perspective of who can mount a serious challenge in the General. Fiorina and Carson are intriguing in their own way, but I see them as the Democrats see Sanders - too far from the center to avoid problems with independents. But Bush's body language in these debates is remarkably negative. He truly hates these parades. Which might make him more qualified as a human being, but could prevent him from gaining traction in the race. My guess is Rubio at this point.

09-23-2015, 03:09 PM	#791
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	I'd put money on it either being Jeb or Rubio, and I'd say I'm a little above 50/50 on voting for either of them over Hilary.

09-23-2015, 04:10 PM	#796
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Well, yes... but gay voters are potentially 5-10% of the electorate while women voters are potentially 50% of the electorate . __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

09-23-2015, 04:35 PM	#797
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	Trump Reignites Feud with Fox News - NBC News Can we get CNN and MSNBC to be "unfair" to him too? Trump Reignites Feud with Fox News - NBC News

09-23-2015, 04:45 PM	#799
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	So who's next to drop out? My guess is Santorum. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

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