2013-14 MLB Off Season Thread - Page 16

sterlingice · 01-16-2014, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by rowech

Stafford will try to but Kershaw will intercept it.

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Chief Rum · 01-16-2014, 11:21 AM

Interesting on Kershaw's deal--he has no "no trade" clause.

But where his is interesting, is that he has negotiated that he can trigger an opt out option for the following offseason if he is traded midseason, or for the next offseason, if he is traded during the offseason (plus, he gets a $3 M trade bonus for an offseason trade).

Basically, if he is ever traded, you're going to have to pay him big time to get him to stay in past the next offseason.

claphamsa · 01-17-2014, 11:38 AM

Jordan Zimmermann, Washington Nationals agree to two-year deal for $24 million - ESPN

Zimmermannnnnn signed for 2 years!

cartman · 01-21-2014, 04:20 PM

At an awards ceremony tonight, Bud Selig will win the first Commissioner Bud Selig Leadership Award.

Late union head Weiner to be honored by BAT

Ronnie Dobbs3 · 01-22-2014, 08:46 AM

Yankees get Tanaka, 7/155 with an opt-out after 4.

ISiddiqui · 01-22-2014, 09:30 AM

Seeing that Tanaka is only 25, that may not be a bad deal at all.

dawgfan · 01-22-2014, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Seeing that Tanaka is only 25, that may not be a bad deal at all.

It's still a lot of risk. At that price I'm kind of glad the M's didn't get him.

ISiddiqui · 01-22-2014, 09:39 AM

Well of course its a ton of risk. Then again, we are talking about the Yankees here. They can deal with some risk... especially with some big money coming off the payroll soon.

BishopMVP · 01-22-2014, 11:05 AM

The opt-out after only 4 years is the part that gets me. Any team was going to be assuming a lot of risk, but that basically eliminates the chance for any surplus value.

BishopMVP · 01-22-2014, 11:12 AM

Now that the Yankees are safely over the luxury tax, are they really gonna start Kelly Johnson and Brian Roberts in the infield?

Btw, Bruce Arthur ‏@bruce_arthur 20s
Also, per @joelsherman1, the Yankees didn't give Tanaka a physical themselves, and trusted the agent's physical. Sounds foolproof.

stevew · 01-22-2014, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP

The opt-out after only 4 years is the part that gets me. Any team was going to be assuming a lot of risk, but that basically eliminates the chance for any surplus value.

Yeah, the opt out is horrible. That more than likely gets executed unless he sucks, in which case you're screwed.

Ronnie Dobbs3 · 01-22-2014, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

especially with some big money coming off the payroll soon.

Not really much coming off soon. Jeter and Kuroda next year? It's 28M. And that's pretty much taken care of by A-Rod returning to the books. Most of their big tickets are around at least the next three years.

For instance, in 2015, they have the following obligations:

$25.137 Rodriguez
$22.500 Teixeira
$24.400 Sabathia
$22.143 Tanaka
$21.857 Ellsbury
$17.000 McCann
$15.000 Beltran
$03.500 Thornton
$02.500 Ryan

Subtotal = $154.037M for just 9 players.

ISiddiqui · 01-22-2014, 02:29 PM

Can't they recover a lot of A-Rod's salary though? Depending on what happens this year, of course? I'm sure they'll sue for it if he doesn't play anymore.

Ronnie Dobbs3 · 01-22-2014, 02:35 PM

Why would he not want the remaining $61 million he's owed? In order to not get it he has to retire. Do you think he'll do that?

It seems obvious to me that he'll do whatever he has to fuck over the Yankees, as he sees himself as being fucked over by them during the past year.

ISiddiqui · 01-22-2014, 02:38 PM

That's what I mean by a suit. Perhaps on the guilty of steroids stuff voiding a part of his contract.

Ronnie Dobbs3 · 01-22-2014, 02:40 PM

From everything I've read there's little to no chance of the Yankees being able to void his contract, apart from wishcasting from Yankee fans.

http://www.pinstripealley.com/2013/6...nsion-steroids
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...or-angry-fans/

ISiddiqui · 01-22-2014, 02:50 PM

Oh well...

DaddyTorgo · 01-22-2014, 02:51 PM

Yeah - they're not going to get to void it. They'll save some $ this year on it, but that's the best they can hope for. He's going to play it out and soak them for every dime now.

sterlingice · 01-23-2014, 03:06 PM

Garza to the Brewers for 4/$52. Either the physical on his arm looks bad or the market for pitching dried up quick

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cartman · 01-23-2014, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

Garza to the Brewers for 4/$52. Either the physical on his arm looks bad or the market for pitching dried up quick

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That experiment didn't work out well for the Rangers.

lungs · 01-23-2014, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

Garza to the Brewers for 4/$52. Either the physical on his arm looks bad or the market for pitching dried up quick

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Kind of a curious move for the Brewers, I guess. I'm not complaining about the price but I also don't think they are a Matt Garza away from competing.

stevew · 01-23-2014, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Yeah - they're not going to get to void it. They'll save some $ this year on it, but that's the best they can hope for. He's going to play it out and soak them for every dime now.

Yeah, the best case scenario is that he comes back after this year off and someone like Miami is willing to pay him 3-5m/year and you save yourself 12 of his remaining 67million dollars owed.

jbergey22 · 01-23-2014, 03:23 PM

More upside than Nolasco if he can stay healthy. I guess I wasnt expecting this market being held up so the Brewers could sign Garza. Figured it would be one of the heavy hitters going after Garza when Tanaka passed them over.

stevew · 01-23-2014, 03:29 PM

so it looks like the pathway to easy financial success is
1. pitch good enough at major league level to accrue 6 years of service.
2. at some point, be slightly impressive, although not that impressive.
3. profit

This is all Gil Meche's fault.

I guess I'm ecstatic that the Pirates are only paying Charlie Morton 7 million a year.

BishopMVP · 01-25-2014, 02:04 AM

Maybe this should have gone in the Survivor thread, but god, what a douchebag - Survivor Cast: David Samson

Personal Claim to Fame: Got local government in Miami to contribute over 350 million dollars to a new baseball park during the recession.

JonInMiddleGA · 01-25-2014, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew

I guess I'm ecstatic that the Pirates are only paying Charlie Morton 7 million a year.

Yikes, that's a scary thought.

dawgfan · 01-25-2014, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP

Maybe this should have gone in the Survivor thread, but god, what a douchebag - Survivor Cast: David Samson

Personal Claim to Fame: Got local government in Miami to contribute over 350 million dollars to a new baseball park during the recession.

It's even more ironic when you see his pet peeves:

"Pet Peeves: Laziness, entitlement and those who are not charitable."

Entitlement - you mean like the local MLB franchise that thinks they are entitled to get public money for their private enterprise?

gstelmack · 01-26-2014, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP

Maybe this should have gone in the Survivor thread, but god, what a douchebag - Survivor Cast: David Samson

Personal Claim to Fame: Got local government in Miami to contribute over 350 million dollars to a new baseball park during the recession.

I would point out that he is on the "Brains" tribe...

DaddyTorgo · 01-26-2014, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by gstelmack

I would point out that he is on the "Brains" tribe...

And at the same time, he says he thinks Brawn wins on Survivor, and yet only assigns himself 5% Brawn. Says he's mostly Brains and that Brains get people voted out early.

Guess he doesn't have high hopes for getting far...

cartman · 01-30-2014, 08:46 PM

Michael Young is going to announce tomorrow he is retiring. One of the best to ever play in Arlington.

All-time Rangers great Michael Young to retire | Texas Rangers | Texas Rangers News and Video...

jbergey22 · 01-31-2014, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by cartman

Michael Young is going to announce tomorrow he is retiring. One of the best to ever play in Arlington.

All-time Rangers great Michael Young to retire | Texas Rangers | Texas Rangers News and Video...

Didnt expect this. Figured he had a good 2-3 years of playing super utility player left in the tank. He did seem to lose quite a bit of skill over the past 2 years though.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 01-31-2014, 03:05 PM

Saw that the Royals signed Bruce Chen. Good signing there. He's a great long relief guy who can be a fill-in starter for a month or two.

Rex Hudler said a couple days ago on the radio that the Royals have a two year offer on the table for Ervin Santana should he decide to come back. I'm guessing he'll get a four year offer somewhere else.

cartman · 01-31-2014, 10:22 PM

Yost says Chen has spot in rotation all but locked up | FOX Sports on MSN

Mizzou B-ball fan · 02-01-2014, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by cartman

Yost says Chen has spot in rotation all but locked up | FOX Sports on MSN

I'd say that depends on what Ervin decides. I think he could end up in the bullpen if Ervin comes back. No question that the Royals are somewhat pessimistic on that.

Chen's a very good 4-5 starter option. As I mentioned last year, it beats the previous years where he was the #1 starter.

cartman · 02-01-2014, 01:02 PM

T-Mac might be giving baseball a try after retiring from the NBA.

Tracy McGrady Reportedly May Attempt Pro Baseball Career | Bleacher Report

stevew · 02-01-2014, 01:22 PM

Well, looks like the Pirates probably mangled this AJ Burnett thing. How you didn't offer a QO is beyond me. It basically locks him in to accept it and 14m was pretty much a steal for him. Or you get a #1 pick. I bet now he signs elsewhere and we get nothing. And Gaby Sanchez is still our first baseman.

RomaGoth · 02-05-2014, 07:38 PM

Curt Schilling diagnosed with cancer - CBSSports.com

Not a big fan of his, but best wishes go out to him and his family in battling this crap. As another thread so eloquently mentions, fuck cancer.

cartman · 02-06-2014, 09:30 AM

The Diamondbacks kick off the start of Spring Training today with pitchers and catchers reporting.

sterlingice · 02-06-2014, 09:44 AM

Wow: that's early. Do they have an international game to start the season?

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cartman · 02-06-2014, 09:49 AM

Not sure. Dodgers pitchers and catchers report on Saturday, and everyone else is next week.

Here's the full list of reporting dates:
http://www.springtrainingonline.com/reporting-dates/

henry296 · 02-06-2014, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by cartman

The Diamondbacks kick off the start of Spring Training today with pitchers and catchers reporting.

Yes, Dodgers and Dbacks are playing in Australia.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 02-07-2014, 10:38 AM

Alex Gordon's slides are so powerful they break billboards | MLB.com

lungs · 02-07-2014, 03:12 PM

Looks like KRod is back to terrorize me in 2014

SackAttack · 02-07-2014, 03:49 PM

Alex Rodriguez of New York Yankees withdraws lawsuit to overturn suspension - ESPN New York

lol

cartman · 02-07-2014, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

A-Rod says that they 'crushed it' in the arbitration hearing. In my experience, that usually means he is going to be one unhappy camper when the decision is announced.

Alex Rodriguez says legal team 'crushed it', likely must wait until 2014 for verdict - ESPN New York

Nailed it.

01-16-2014, 11:21 AM	#752
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	Interesting on Kershaw's deal--he has no "no trade" clause. But where his is interesting, is that he has negotiated that he can trigger an opt out option for the following offseason if he is traded midseason, or for the next offseason, if he is traded during the offseason (plus, he gets a $3 M trade bonus for an offseason trade). Basically, if he is ever traded, you're going to have to pay him big time to get him to stay in past the next offseason. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

01-17-2014, 11:38 AM	#753
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	Jordan Zimmermann, Washington Nationals agree to two-year deal for $24 million - ESPN Zimmermannnnnn signed for 2 years! __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

01-21-2014, 04:20 PM	#754
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	At an awards ceremony tonight, Bud Selig will win the first Commissioner Bud Selig Leadership Award. Late union head Weiner to be honored by BAT __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

01-22-2014, 09:30 AM	#756
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Seeing that Tanaka is only 25, that may not be a bad deal at all. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

01-22-2014, 09:39 AM	#758
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Well of course its a ton of risk. Then again, we are talking about the Yankees here. They can deal with some risk... especially with some big money coming off the payroll soon. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

01-22-2014, 08:46 AM	#755
Ronnie Dobbs3 High School Varsity Join Date: Feb 2013	Yankees get Tanaka, 7/155 with an opt-out after 4.

01-22-2014, 11:05 AM	#759
BishopMVP Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Concord, MA/UMass	The opt-out after only 4 years is the part that gets me. Any team was going to be assuming a lot of risk, but that basically eliminates the chance for any surplus value.

01-22-2014, 11:12 AM	#760
BishopMVP Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Concord, MA/UMass	Now that the Yankees are safely over the luxury tax, are they really gonna start Kelly Johnson and Brian Roberts in the infield? Btw, Bruce Arthur ‏@bruce_arthur 20s Also, per @joelsherman1, the Yankees didn't give Tanaka a physical themselves, and trusted the agent's physical. Sounds foolproof.

01-22-2014, 02:29 PM	#763
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Can't they recover a lot of A-Rod's salary though? Depending on what happens this year, of course? I'm sure they'll sue for it if he doesn't play anymore. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams Last edited by ISiddiqui : 01-22-2014 at 02:30 PM.

01-22-2014, 02:35 PM	#764
Ronnie Dobbs3 High School Varsity Join Date: Feb 2013	Why would he not want the remaining $61 million he's owed? In order to not get it he has to retire. Do you think he'll do that? It seems obvious to me that he'll do whatever he has to fuck over the Yankees, as he sees himself as being fucked over by them during the past year. Last edited by Ronnie Dobbs3 : 01-22-2014 at 02:36 PM.

01-22-2014, 02:38 PM	#765
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	That's what I mean by a suit. Perhaps on the guilty of steroids stuff voiding a part of his contract. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

01-22-2014, 02:40 PM	#766
Ronnie Dobbs3 High School Varsity Join Date: Feb 2013	From everything I've read there's little to no chance of the Yankees being able to void his contract, apart from wishcasting from Yankee fans. http://www.pinstripealley.com/2013/6...nsion-steroids http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...or-angry-fans/

01-22-2014, 02:50 PM	#767
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Oh well... __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

01-22-2014, 02:51 PM	#768
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	Yeah - they're not going to get to void it. They'll save some $ this year on it, but that's the best they can hope for. He's going to play it out and soak them for every dime now.

01-23-2014, 03:06 PM	#769
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Garza to the Brewers for 4/$52. Either the physical on his arm looks bad or the market for pitching dried up quick SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!" Last edited by sterlingice : 01-23-2014 at 03:06 PM.

01-23-2014, 03:23 PM	#773
jbergey22 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Minnesota	More upside than Nolasco if he can stay healthy. I guess I wasnt expecting this market being held up so the Brewers could sign Garza. Figured it would be one of the heavy hitters going after Garza when Tanaka passed them over.

01-23-2014, 03:29 PM	#774
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	so it looks like the pathway to easy financial success is 1. pitch good enough at major league level to accrue 6 years of service. 2. at some point, be slightly impressive, although not that impressive. 3. profit This is all Gil Meche's fault. I guess I'm ecstatic that the Pirates are only paying Charlie Morton 7 million a year. Last edited by stevew : 01-23-2014 at 03:30 PM.

01-25-2014, 02:04 AM	#775
BishopMVP Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Concord, MA/UMass	Maybe this should have gone in the Survivor thread, but god, what a douchebag - Survivor Cast: David Samson Personal Claim to Fame: Got local government in Miami to contribute over 350 million dollars to a new baseball park during the recession.

01-30-2014, 08:46 PM	#780
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	Michael Young is going to announce tomorrow he is retiring. One of the best to ever play in Arlington. All-time Rangers great Michael Young to retire \| Texas Rangers \| Texas Rangers News and Video... __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

01-31-2014, 03:05 PM	#782
Mizzou B-ball fan General Manager Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kansas City, MO	Saw that the Royals signed Bruce Chen. Good signing there. He's a great long relief guy who can be a fill-in starter for a month or two. Rex Hudler said a couple days ago on the radio that the Royals have a two year offer on the table for Ervin Santana should he decide to come back. I'm guessing he'll get a four year offer somewhere else.

01-31-2014, 10:22 PM	#783
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	Yost says Chen has spot in rotation all but locked up \| FOX Sports on MSN __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

02-01-2014, 01:02 PM	#785
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	T-Mac might be giving baseball a try after retiring from the NBA. Tracy McGrady Reportedly May Attempt Pro Baseball Career \| Bleacher Report __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

02-01-2014, 01:22 PM	#786
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Well, looks like the Pirates probably mangled this AJ Burnett thing. How you didn't offer a QO is beyond me. It basically locks him in to accept it and 14m was pretty much a steal for him. Or you get a #1 pick. I bet now he signs elsewhere and we get nothing. And Gaby Sanchez is still our first baseman.

02-06-2014, 09:30 AM	#788
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	The Diamondbacks kick off the start of Spring Training today with pitchers and catchers reporting. __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

02-06-2014, 09:44 AM	#789
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Wow: that's early. Do they have an international game to start the season? SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

02-06-2014, 09:49 AM	#790
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	Not sure. Dodgers pitchers and catchers report on Saturday, and everyone else is next week. Here's the full list of reporting dates: http://www.springtrainingonline.com/reporting-dates/ __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint Last edited by cartman : 02-06-2014 at 09:54 AM.

02-07-2014, 10:38 AM	#792
Mizzou B-ball fan General Manager Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kansas City, MO	Alex Gordon's slides are so powerful they break billboards \| MLB.com Last edited by Mizzou B-ball fan : 02-07-2014 at 10:41 AM.

02-07-2014, 03:12 PM	#793
lungs Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Prairie du Sac, WI	Looks like KRod is back to terrorize me in 2014

02-07-2014, 03:49 PM	#794
SackAttack Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI	Alex Rodriguez of New York Yankees withdraws lawsuit to overturn suspension - ESPN New York lol

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