Werewolf LXXII: Chess (Checkmate!) - Page 16

Lathum · 05-07-2008, 11:39 AM

sounds to me like Cronin is trying to get a valuable villager role lynched and then saying "oops, I guess I was wrong."

jeheinz72 · 05-07-2008, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

that not it either.

Then you're going to have to spell it out for me since I'm at a loss (and evidently not that smart).

Abe Sargent · 05-07-2008, 11:41 AM

Morning all, let me get caught up.

jeheinz72 · 05-07-2008, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

sounds to me like Cronin is trying to get a valuable villager role lynched and then saying "oops, I guess I was wrong."

Yeah, at the very least he's made it so Jackal is now going to have to reveal his board position and that of his entire team.

st.cronin · 05-07-2008, 11:42 AM

This is where Jackal claims he can see 8 pieces:

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

Eight, seven of which are white.

Path then asks how many of those are pawns, and Jackal replies:

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

Six, and I think there are three different players in there. Why do you ask?

I consulted with my board, took a guess as to where The Jackal is, and discovered that he is claiming to be able to see a piece that he can't see. Possibly an innocent mistake, but combined with everything else, he jumps to the top of my suspect list.

mccollins · 05-07-2008, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

I don't want to give away my role, but trust me, he is claiming to see a piece that he can't see.

Is that because you think he's still in his starting position?

st.cronin · 05-07-2008, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by mccollins

Is that because you think he's still in his starting position?

No, The Jackal is at F3. I know his position.

The Jackal · 05-07-2008, 11:44 AM

Uh, I moved out of my starting position, and I did not lie about what pieces I can see.

The Jackal · 05-07-2008, 11:45 AM

I can see five of my own pawns, an enemy pawn, and my king and queen. What's wrong with this?

st.cronin · 05-07-2008, 11:48 AM

Crap, double checked my board and I had an error. Never mind.

mccollins · 05-07-2008, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

No, The Jackal is at F3. I know his position.

True.

Abe Sargent · 05-07-2008, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

I was saying that you may not even be the white knight. If you're a wolf and if the other white knight were a wolf, you could still have made your reveal knowing it wouldn't be disputed.

It could be disputed by his partner. If The Jackal were, say, the Black Bishop, and he claimed the White Knight, because the other White Knight and him were both wolves, then wouldn't the other Black Bishop have something to say about that?

path12 · 05-07-2008, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

dola

I'm only curious because I don't want to give too much info away about board placement in case you're trying to get the upperhand for the black team - though I've in no way really revealed where my teammates are, persay.

Because I want to try and verify that you are who you say you are, because I see the white knight. FWIW, it sounds like you are.

mccollins · 05-07-2008, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Crap, double checked my board and I had an error. Never mind.

But in the process you drew out some information on how some pieces have moved. Your work is done, right?

KWhit · 05-07-2008, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Clearly you have not understood what I have written. I was on KWhit yesterday because he hemmed and hawed on whether he wanted the player he was voting for to actually be lynched. That, to me, is classic wolf behavior - "I'm voting for this player, but I don't really think they're a wolf, but we have to have a lynch, and I have to vote for somebody, blah blah blah." That was what I was getting from KWhit yesterday.

That is not even close to what I was saying yesterday. Once again you are mis-characterizing my position.

And coming out so accusatory with Jackal:

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

I don't want to give away my role, but trust me, he is claiming to see a piece that he can't see.

And then saying:

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

I consulted with my board, took a guess as to where The Jackal is, and discovered that he is claiming to be able to see a piece that he can't see.

That makes it sound like you're convinced that he's lying, but you're just guessing. Sounds like you're trying to get a Knight lynched.

Lathum · 05-07-2008, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Crap, double checked my board and I had an error. Never mind.

hhhhmmmmm

how convenient.

path12 · 05-07-2008, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

I consulted with my board, took a guess as to where The Jackal is, and discovered that he is claiming to be able to see a piece that he can't see. Possibly an innocent mistake, but combined with everything else, he jumps to the top of my suspect list.

According to my board, what he's said makes sense. I can't see the entire range he can, but based on what I do see he's been accurate.

Lathum · 05-07-2008, 11:53 AM

I confused as hell.

how does anyone have any clue where soeone is at on the board?

The Jackal · 05-07-2008, 11:54 AM

I assume cronin made an innocent mistake, like the one he accused me of, but I could see it as a big WHOOPS for a wolf. Not sure if it's enough for my vote yet, but I'm listening to what you guys think.

path12 · 05-07-2008, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

I assume cronin made an innocent mistake, like the one he accused me of, but I could see it as a big WHOOPS for a wolf. Not sure if it's enough for my vote yet, but I'm listening to what you guys think.

I wish he wouldn't have drawn the extra information out of you but what's done is done. Whether or not it's a wolf move is something I'm undecided about, but I could certainly see making that 'oops' play if I was bad.

st.cronin · 05-07-2008, 11:56 AM

UNVOTE THE JACKAL

KWhit · 05-07-2008, 11:56 AM

Wow. I know a LOT more about the white team than I did before about 20 posts ago.

path12 · 05-07-2008, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I confused as hell.

how does anyone have any clue where soeone is at on the board?

You need to move.

st.cronin · 05-07-2008, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

That is not even close to what I was saying yesterday. Once again you are mis-characterizing my position.

Can we get beyond yesterday? I have already said I was wrong, I was simply trying to explain to Lathum what I was thinking - I am not STILL thinking that.

The Jackal · 05-07-2008, 12:00 PM

I'm sorry if I gave out too much information, team, but I didn't specify where you guys are, though now that my position is out there people on the other team could probably try to place us - but hey, we're all able to move every turn anyways, so I think it's alright.

st.cronin · 05-07-2008, 12:00 PM

I guess I go back to Lathum:

VOTE LATHUM

st.cronin · 05-07-2008, 12:01 PM

I agree white is not really harmed by the information flow.

path12 · 05-07-2008, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

Wow. I know a LOT more about the white team than I did before about 20 posts ago.

My fault. I was trying to be more circumspect than it turned out to be.

Abe Sargent · 05-07-2008, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Crap, double checked my board and I had an error. Never mind.

Cronin, you are tweaking my wolfdar, ever so subtly.

KWhit · 05-07-2008, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Can we get beyond yesterday? I have already said I was wrong, I was simply trying to explain to Lathum what I was thinking - I am not STILL thinking that.

Get beyond yesterday?

Your play yesterday is a clear determining factor in your likelyhood of being a wolf.

Abe Sargent · 05-07-2008, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I confused as hell.

how does anyone have any clue where soeone is at on the board?

There's only one WK left, so you know if you are on Whites team (which all non-Pawns know, and you know if you see the only WK on the board)

Abe Sargent · 05-07-2008, 12:05 PM

Alright, I'm voting for stconcnin because I don;t buy the whole "You Can't see stuff." And then as soon as he sees his arguments aren't flying, he rolls back and says he misread the board.

Abe Sargent · 05-07-2008, 12:05 PM

Vote st.cronin

PurdueBrad · 05-07-2008, 12:05 PM

I'm throwing this out there for now, but am contemplating one of three.

vote JEHeinz

Not meant to be a hit and run btw, our server at work is hit or miss so I should be on from now until approx 1:40 CST but just in case.

The Jackal · 05-07-2008, 12:06 PM

Just got a big project at work that needs to be done ASAP so I can't check as often as I'd like for the next couple hours, but I'll do my best.

Lathum · 05-07-2008, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

I agree white is not really harmed by the information flow.

well of course you say that since you are the reason for it.

KWhit · 05-07-2008, 12:10 PM

Anybody have the vote count?

jeheinz72 · 05-07-2008, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

I'm throwing this out there for now, but am contemplating one of three.

vote JEHeinz

Not meant to be a hit and run btw, our server at work is hit or miss so I should be on from now until approx 1:40 CST but just in case.

Is this because of my admittedly bad vote yesterday or ??

I ask because while you started on hoops very early you were like me in that you (apparently) bought the reveal of both him and Jackal and moved your vote elsewhere to a throwaway. Just so happened that I evidently read KWhit wrong (again) and yours is unknown.

Just want to be sure I'm reading your intention correctly here.

st.cronin · 05-07-2008, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Anxiety

Alright, I'm voting for stconcnin because I don;t buy the whole "You Can't see stuff." And then as soon as he sees his arguments aren't flying, he rolls back and says he misread the board.

I didn't misread the board, I made a mistake in transcribing the info from my pms to my text file.

KWhit · 05-07-2008, 12:11 PM

Actually, based upon a few posts in the last 100, my suspicion of cronin has actually gone down. I don't think he's a wolf.

st.cronin · 05-07-2008, 12:11 PM

I don't know if my partner will show up or not, but he can back the mistake, since I sent him the text file in a pm.

mccollins · 05-07-2008, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

Actually, based upon a few posts in the last 100, my suspicion of cronin has actually gone down. I don't think he's a wolf.

Indeed, based on the angle of his analysis for most of the game I don't really think he's a wolf. "Medium Trust" category.

PurdueBrad · 05-07-2008, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Is this because of my admittedly bad vote yesterday or ??

I ask because while you started on hoops very early you were like me in that you (apparently) bought the reveal of both him and Jackal and moved your vote elsewhere to a throwaway. Just so happened that I evidently read KWhit wrong (again) and yours is unknown.

Just want to be sure I'm reading your intention correctly here.

Hey Heinz, in all honesty, I'm not comfortable in getting involved in a run on St. Cronin (although he's still high for me from yesterday) and after that, there just doesn't 'feel' like a lot to go on. Yeah, we made some of the same mistakes but no, I'm not voting on you for that. In all honesty, I want to see what develops. The run on St. Cronin (or maybe it just feels like one) is disturbing though as it could end up being a pile on and I like seeing how people react to various votes.

KWhit · 05-07-2008, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

Anybody have the vote count?

Anyone?

Passacaglia · 05-07-2008, 12:21 PM

Here's what I have:

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Neon_Chaos --
The Jackal -- Chief Rum (638)
st.cronin -- Lathum (659), Anxiety (783)
path12 -- claphamsa (702)
Lathum -- jeheinz72 (710), st.cronin (776)
Chief Rum -- Sonic Youth (717)
jeheinz72 -- PurdueBrad (784)

KWhit · 05-07-2008, 12:22 PM

Thank you sir.

claphamsa · 05-07-2008, 12:23 PM

ok, escaped. not liking cronin.... could just be a mistake, but......

vote cronin

claphamsa · 05-07-2008, 12:23 PM

er

unvotie path
vote croinn

PurdueBrad · 05-07-2008, 12:23 PM

Wow, only two votes for St. Cronin, felt like a lot more! Maybe it isn't a run and maybe I will still make a move...we shall see.

jeheinz72 · 05-07-2008, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Hey Heinz, in all honesty, I'm not comfortable in getting involved in a run on St. Cronin (although he's still high for me from yesterday) and after that, there just doesn't 'feel' like a lot to go on. Yeah, we made some of the same mistakes but no, I'm not voting on you for that. In all honesty, I want to see what develops. The run on St. Cronin (or maybe it just feels like one) is disturbing though as it could end up being a pile on and I like seeing how people react to various votes.

OK PB, that at least makes sense to me. Thanks for the answer. I'm not the right tree to bark up, but your line of thinking is at least understandable.

05-07-2008, 11:41 AM	#753
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Morning all, let me get caught up. __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

05-07-2008, 11:48 AM	#760
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Crap, double checked my board and I had an error. Never mind. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

05-07-2008, 11:56 AM	#771
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	UNVOTE THE JACKAL __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

05-07-2008, 12:00 PM	#776
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I guess I go back to Lathum: VOTE LATHUM __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

05-07-2008, 12:01 PM	#777
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I agree white is not really harmed by the information flow. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

05-07-2008, 11:39 AM	#751
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	sounds to me like Cronin is trying to get a valuable villager role lynched and then saying "oops, I guess I was wrong."

05-07-2008, 11:44 AM	#758
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Uh, I moved out of my starting position, and I did not lie about what pieces I can see.

05-07-2008, 11:45 AM	#759
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	I can see five of my own pawns, an enemy pawn, and my king and queen. What's wrong with this?

05-07-2008, 11:53 AM	#768
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I confused as hell. how does anyone have any clue where soeone is at on the board?

05-07-2008, 11:54 AM	#769
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	I assume cronin made an innocent mistake, like the one he accused me of, but I could see it as a big WHOOPS for a wolf. Not sure if it's enough for my vote yet, but I'm listening to what you guys think.

05-07-2008, 11:56 AM	#772
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Wow. I know a LOT more about the white team than I did before about 20 posts ago.

05-07-2008, 12:00 PM	#775
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	I'm sorry if I gave out too much information, team, but I didn't specify where you guys are, though now that my position is out there people on the other team could probably try to place us - but hey, we're all able to move every turn anyways, so I think it's alright.

05-07-2008, 12:05 PM	#782
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Alright, I'm voting for stconcnin because I don;t buy the whole "You Can't see stuff." And then as soon as he sees his arguments aren't flying, he rolls back and says he misread the board. __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

05-07-2008, 12:05 PM	#783
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Vote st.cronin __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

05-07-2008, 12:05 PM	#784
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	I'm throwing this out there for now, but am contemplating one of three. vote JEHeinz Not meant to be a hit and run btw, our server at work is hit or miss so I should be on from now until approx 1:40 CST but just in case.

05-07-2008, 12:06 PM	#785
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Just got a big project at work that needs to be done ASAP so I can't check as often as I'd like for the next couple hours, but I'll do my best.

05-07-2008, 12:10 PM	#787
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Anybody have the vote count?

05-07-2008, 12:11 PM	#790
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Actually, based upon a few posts in the last 100, my suspicion of cronin has actually gone down. I don't think he's a wolf.

05-07-2008, 12:11 PM	#791
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I don't know if my partner will show up or not, but he can back the mistake, since I sent him the text file in a pm. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

05-07-2008, 12:22 PM	#796
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Thank you sir.

05-07-2008, 12:23 PM	#797
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	ok, escaped. not liking cronin.... could just be a mistake, but...... vote cronin __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

05-07-2008, 12:23 PM	#798
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	er unvotie path vote croinn __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

05-07-2008, 12:23 PM	#799
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Wow, only two votes for St. Cronin, felt like a lot more! Maybe it isn't a run and maybe I will still make a move...we shall see.

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