03-24-2007, 02:07 PM | #751 |
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As opposed to Mario Williams?
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03-24-2007, 03:02 PM | #752 |
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SI has the latest rumors as being the Fish want David Carr, moving Daunte Culpepper to the Raiders, and Trent Green ending up with the Lions.
Interestingly enough, Matt Millen is damned if he does damned if he doesn't this year. If he makes a deal for a QB and drafts Calvin Johnson, he gets ragged on for using yet another #1 on a wideout. But Johnson is by far the best talent in this year's draft, if he can pick up an established QB and land Johnson, and he chooses not to, maybe he should get ragged on for not drafting the best player available simply because he (Millen) screwed up in the past.
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Offbase. We're talking decision-making at the time. Not 20/20 hindsight. Please give me your arguments that Mario Williams was a better pick than Reggie Bush or Vince Young on draft day 2006. The thrust of my thread wasn't that Bush was the best player in the draft last year. Obviously, he wasn't. It's arguable the best guys didn't even go int the first round or the first day. So, my "Mario Williams" comment was a criticism of the draft day strategy by Houston on that day. You've already had Carr for 4 years - you should already know what you got when you decide to pass on Young. But then you dump him a year later? Same with Bush and Dominack Davis. They had Davis for a couple of years and he missed the last five games of the 2005 season with his knee injury. Knowing about the injury and having NO ONE as a capable backup even, they passed on Bush. Simply stated, the Texans head office are morons. The recent trade for Schaub is another perfect example. |
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Vince Young was a questionable pick that turned out to be great for Tennessee. If he played behind that Houston line he would have looked like a supreme bust and everybody would be complaining that they took him over Reggie Bush. If they took Bush, then he would have been miscast as a feature back and overused running behind a line that doesn't open many holes. He can only run outside so many times before he wears down from all the shots he would take. People would then bitch that they didn't take D'Brickashaw Ferguson, since they need that o-line to eventually come together. If they took Ferguson...
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03-24-2007, 05:02 PM | #756 | |
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But as bad as the trade looks for the Texans, I think the contract they gave him is exponentially worse (although I suppose if you're going to make the bad trade, you pretty much have to lock him up for several years).
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Who the Texans should have taken #1 overall = D'Brickashaw Ferguson (hindsight and foresight)
Also, the Texans should have been doing everything in their power to try and trade up to get OT Joe Thomas, not trading down. Last edited by RedKingGold : 03-24-2007 at 05:37 PM. |
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I think you're forgetting two important things: 1. The salary cap is going to increase by a ridiculous amount each year until the expiration of the labor agreement (2010). So, if you consider that the Texans are paying him that contract with the guaranteed money of 21 mil for essentially three season, that's not bad starter money considering that available QB's in the future will be getting as much. (I guarantee you some stupid team will offer Kyle Boller a similar contract next year) It's pretty much the same argument where people said the Steve Hutchinson was a horrible contract last year that looks like a contract bargain this year. 2. By making this trade, the Texans are forced to have at least two years with Schuab as the QB. When you look at the contract, it's phrased to not have the buy-back option until the third season. So, it's seems pretty reasonable in that part. |
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03-24-2007, 06:23 PM | #759 |
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Steve Hutchison's contract only looks like a bargain now because this year's FAs have to have bigger deals than the last year's. That's how it works, same with draft picks - it's not how only good the player is, it's how much the equivalent draft pick or top rated guy in his position got last year.
So Steinbach and the other guy who I forget right now got deals because the Vikings & Hutchison raised the bar so much, and it only 'looks like a bargain' if you are comparing a pretty good player who is horribly overpaid against average players who are disgustingly overpaid.
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What you are forgetting in your argument is that the reason these player's are seeming "overpaid" is because you are comparing today's market with the market of last year. The new collective bargaining agreement brought more money into the salary cap this year from some intellectual property rights being included into the overall salary available to each team. This was why so many teams had a windfall of cash that they did not have previous seasons. As the market is, when there is a lot of cash in the market, more players are going to get more money. Thus, deals which looked extreme two years ago are now mild in comparison. In all honesty, I don't begrudge teams from paying these large amounts of money and mediocre players accepting it. Why? Because, we are the machine that feeds the mouths of the NFL. The NFL is the most popular sport in America, thus, it has more cash flow to spend on players. Also, one more thing to keep in mind. As extreme as these salaries sound, what the top players earn in the NFL is easily dwarfed by what the top players earn in both MLB and NBA (where all contracts are guaranteed). For example, Alex Rodriguez will earn more this year than ALL of the guaranteed money that Matt Schuab will make over the next three years of his deal (where it will likely be restructured again in terms of market value or he will be given his outright release). Compare Leonard Davis's contract (likely the most extravagant of the NFL off-season) with Alphonso Soriano and you'll catch my drift. |
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Wow. Quite the revisionist history on Bush. Bush was clearly the top tailback over Lendale White and he was clearly one of the most electric RB's in college and still has tremendous potential to be a game breaking RB in the NFL. When did we start judging guys as complete failures as #1 or #2 picks after a single year? Here are the highlights of Bush's 05 season since clearly you need to be reminded of just how great he was. That 8.9 YPC is insane:
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So, a back-up RB won the Heisman trophy? Is that the argument your making. Also, where the heck did LenDale White disappear to after being drafted by Tennessee? Actually, it was USC's average defense that kept Fresno State in the game. If you're talking about Bush's fumble on the punt return as a "mental meltdown", then I think you need to have your eye-sight checked. Under your argument, RB Brian Westbrook and Tiki Barber are scrubs who should never have been drafted, and Barry Sanders was the worst running back you ever saw, correct? |
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When I said disgustingly overpaid, I meant in the terms of more than 'horribly' overpaid - I don't mind the guys earning it. I was just querying your use of the term 'bargain'.
There's no way in my mind $7m for seven years for a guard is a bargain, although I appreciate they likely won't actually receive all £49m. You could maybe argue the Chargers got a deal that was a bargain for the position. Given the extra cash around, maybe Hutchison would have gotten up to $55m this year - but as I say, until he came around that was tackle money. The top money in our football is generally bigger than this - players are on up to £140k a week, which translates to £7.25m per year, or about $13.5m. The main differences are the length of contracts, but they guys are guaranteed to get the cash. So the level of money isn;t the problem. Anyway, I'm tired, and just realised I'm rambling horribly. Hopefully you see where I'm coming from
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I do, and I think the bolded part is the key thing to remember. Everyone gets caught up in the 7-years, 8052 million gajarbage. The best way to evaluate a contract in the NFL is to just see the guaranteed money and when the guaranteed money is parceled out. You'll see that the contracts are not as extreme as you might think. Now go to sleep....ya Euro bastard! |
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03-24-2007, 07:44 PM | #766 |
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Well said, EF27.
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Santonio Holmes rulez. That's all I have to add.
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I am not one to get into the "Player X plays for my team, so he rulzzzzzzzzzz! Player Y plays for our rival so he is the suxxors" arguments.
Bush plays for the Saints, so I hope that he does well. But I acknowledge that he might not. And I care much more about the team winning than any one player on the team doing well. All that said, I did watch every play that Reggie Bush played last season, and I can say that it is just wrong to say that he has shown himself to be nothing more than a 3rd down back/slot receiver. He played very poorly in the beginning of the season. Baltimore in particular made him look very foolish. All that said, he improved his game over the course of the year. He adjusted his game to fit the NFL, demonstrating both the ability and the desire to do so. Does this mean that he will be the next Marshall Faulk? No. Does it mean that he will be able to handle 30 carries a game? No. Does it mean that he will make the Hall of Fame? No. But, none of those things are off the table. The jury is still out because he's still getting better. Saying that he's nothing more (and will never be more) than Larry Centers with speed is premature. Last edited by albionmoonlight : 03-24-2007 at 09:26 PM. |
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Congratulations. You've managed to make one of the stupidest comments I've ever seen on this forum before you even cracked the hundred post mark. That's quite an accomplishment, I can't wait to see what you can do by the time you reach a thousand.
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This was a good one too. So, he gets no credit for the "couple of big plays" that rectified a mistake? Most 3rd down backs just make the mistake, with no big plays coming afterwards. |
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So you then agree with my main point that the Texans front office are morons and should have picked Young, which was the main point of my post which was back a few? |
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The Eagles have traded defensive tackle Darwin Walker to the Buffalo Bills for two-time Pro Bowl outside linebacker Takeo Spikes, backup quarterback Kelly Holcomb and future considerations, league sources said tonight.
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03-26-2007, 11:54 PM | #774 |
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Comp picks were announced......
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The Jets signed Andre Wadsworth, who hasn't been in the NFL since 2000.
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I like this move for the Eagles as things were getting pretty bloated on D-Line while the linebackers have been rather thin for a couple of years now. Spikes is not what he used to be but he should be better than what we have right now. Last edited by johnnyshaka : 03-27-2007 at 02:25 AM. |
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The Redskins are proposing trade for Lance Briggs...
Briggs & the 31st pick for the 6th. Wow. What would the Bears do at #6? Brady Quinn??? |
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The Redskins are killing me...
How many LB's do they need?! They make it harder and harder every year to be a fan.
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Also, there was some news about the Niners (#11) and Redskins talking about swapping their picks, so it looks like they really do want to move.
I would jump at that offer if I was Chicago. I think the consensus is that the blue chip players end around that 6th pick. |
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I wonder who the 49er's target if they get 6th overall. Quinn, Peterson, and JaMarcus Russell wouldn't interest them. It appears to be a little low to get Calvin Johnson. I guess one of the defensive line studs? I was kinda hoping that the 49er's would stay put and take that Louisville defensive tackle. Also, very sweet that San Francisco gets an additional 3rd and 4th round picks through compensation. |
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I'd love to see the draft pick value chart the Redskins use.
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I think Okoye is out for their needs. He's not going to be a true NT and it's questionable whether he can be a 3-4 DE. If they did move, I think the only player they would do it for (and it would have to be a "Redskins are on the clock" move) is Gaines Adams. After him, there's a pretty good chance that one of Carriker, Branch, or Willis will be available at 11. |
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Who steps up to take Walker's spot? He's pretty good. |
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Yeah, I would actually love the 49er's to trade down (maybe pick up a 2nd rounder next year) to move down into the lower teens and take Willis. However, Willis's stock is really rising, so he might not make it out of the top 15. But Willis is a really good player who would fit the 49er's needs perfectly (well, other than a huge NT). |
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I totally agree with you, although trading down from the spots around 5-15 is always hard. Teams might want to trade into the top 3 or 4 in most drafts to get 5* players, but most teams would be happy with any number of the 4.5* players in the top half of the draft, and they are not willing to trade from, say, 20 to 10 to get someone. As for Willis, his stock is rising like crazy. Since he went to Ole Miss, a lot of Saints fans knew about him early on and were wanting him at 27. Now, it looks like he might end up in the top 10. I think that if you guys want him, you should just make sure to stay put and get him at 11. |
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Yeah, i think i read that dude ran in the 4.4 range for his 40. It wouldn't suprise me to see the Steelers nab him at 15, so if the 9ers want him, they need to stay put. I think the niners and steelers lists of players will be very similar in the first round at least. |
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From the Niner boards I read, I gotta give a lot of those guys credit. They were all over Willis from the day the order was set. The reasoning was usually "While he's the perfect fit for Nolan's system, we'll get killed for taking him so early."
I think they'll end up sticking at 11 as well, with a decent possibility of moving back into the 1st round. |
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Well, I think they spent that first round pick on Bunkley for a reason. Besides, Walker seemed to play more like a big defensive end, worried more about getting after the QB than plugging holes...evidenced by the pretty bad run defense they displayed for most of the season. Let the ends take care of the sacks...they've got some pretty good ones. Also, I'm sure Reid will take a lineman or two for depth. |
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If you look at the overall roster, LB depth is pretty far down the least of needs below DLINE, DLine, dline, CB, Safety depth, DLine, DLINE! So yeah.. this 1st rounder has to be used on the DLine. I don't mind them moving down a little, but we need a guy that can really make an impact on the Dline.
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I know, I beat around the bush sometimes .
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Lance Briggs thinks he's way better than he actually is.
Washington is perfect for him.
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The Redskins evaluate talent level by salary level. The number six pick won't make as much as Briggs and is therefore less desirable.
If they make this trade I'd also expect them to trade the #31 to Denver for Dre Bly.
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