Werewolf LXXI - Doomsday (GAME OVER. WOLVES WIN!) - Page 16

Lathum · 04-25-2008, 10:13 AM

I wonder if ITC really is a wolf

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Wolfling - You are a Werewolf of a different breed. You have the ability to control your rage and thus not transform into a Werewolf when lynched or attacked at night. When you die, you will appear as a Villager.

PurdueBrad · 04-25-2008, 10:14 AM

ntn, at this point, you are it COT-wise for me. If the rules are right, the only role that nfg could claim to be that is left is seer/fake seer (depending which died) but he can only see villager yet both he and SY claimed to see wolf. Does that mean it was a fake reveal? If so, my only thought is it could've been done to save Pass but then again, nfg had a vote on Pass.

So for Monday, I'm looking nfg vs. Pass, do you have any insight or gut feeling either way ntn?

PurdueBrad · 04-25-2008, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I wonder if ITC really is a wolf

Being wolfling could explain some of his behavior, I guess. If he was then that means we could have just one or tops, two wolves left, meaning a fake reveal could be a desperate attempt to get to end game but I'm still not sure.

PurdueBrad · 04-25-2008, 10:19 AM

Couldn't you make the same case for Claphamsa though too?

RendeR · 04-25-2008, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ntndeacon

I am upset. If you are that close to being voted off and you know you wont be night killed WHY do you choose not to reveal. we really haven't any COT now and it is SY's fault. That is why I voted last night to give a seer a chance to save either himself or a villager .

Seriously, this was a terrible terrible play, knowing we had at least one more night of safety for him to scan someone he should have come out as soon as he got a second vote and it stayed close. Allowing himself to be lynched without revealing was just plain dumb.

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I wonder if ITC really is a wolf

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Couldn't you make the same case for Claphamsa though too?

I'm in agreement on both counts, however, I've been locked onto Pass all game long, can we PLEASE lynch him today???

VOTE PASSACAGLIA

KWhit · 04-25-2008, 10:30 AM

-briefly comes back to life-

You guys voted off the SEER?!??!?!

-goes back to being dead-

RendeR · 04-25-2008, 10:32 AM

<======= feeling inklings of Admiral Furious returning. Gah, never let yourself be lynched without giving out your information when you have such a HUGE role...GAH.

Mistakes happen SY, but wow I hope you learned from this one.

Passacaglia · 04-25-2008, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by RendeR

Seriously, this was a terrible terrible play, knowing we had at least one more night of safety for him to scan someone he should have come out as soon as he got a second vote and it stayed close. Allowing himself to be lynched without revealing was just plain dumb.

I'm in agreement on both counts, however, I've been locked onto Pass all game long, can we PLEASE lynch him today???

VOTE PASSACAGLIA

I don't think it was dumb. I think his plan was to hint at first, then make the full reveal later if he needed to. But NFG made that difficult for him. If you look at SY's posts alone, he was hinting hard at being the seer. But if you look at them in the same context as NFG, things get confusing. You've been on me all game, Render, but you've got to look at how NFG took advantage of SY's play.

Passacaglia · 04-25-2008, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by RendeR

<======= feeling inklings of Admiral Furious returning. Gah, never let yourself be lynched without giving out your information when you have such a HUGE role...GAH.

Mistakes happen SY, but wow I hope you learned from this one.

That is the thing. There's not only that, but the fact that he lied about me being a wolf. It was just last game where we had that discussion about the benefits of lying as a villager. It seems like a neat cloak-and-dagger thing to do, but it's generally not worth it. I think he was just locked into the idea of, "I'm the seer, and I need to stay alive, and I need to not reveal" for as long as he could.

path12 · 04-25-2008, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ImTheCrew

Happy Birthday path12

Thanks!

path12 · 04-25-2008, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Hey path, now that you've seen who ntndeacon chose, does that change your mind any?

I haven't seen the results yet but offhand I'm going to feel somewhat better about whoever ntn picks. Unfortunately, they'll likely be dead........so maybe it's a dumb idea.

path12 · 04-25-2008, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Hey Path, quick question, and surprisingly it's not about me. I'm feeling kind of lazy, I understand voting for me (bad vote record) or RendeR (really utr) but I'm still having trouble with people voting ntndeacon. Why are you more willing to go that route when he's revealed with no counter?

I don't think there's a counter mainly because I don't know that the role is in the game, and it seems like a role that would be better suited to a larger game. It's a perfect one to claim.

My reasoning for him is generally that he was the main beneficiary of vote swings both day 1 and 2; it's an odd role that led to a villager being lynched (even though after proposing it he put his vote elsewhere), and just a general gut feel based on how he's played the game so far.

The main problem is that at this point I've got to assume he's been scanned and nobody came out against him, which is why I'm focusing my vote on one of the main candidates rather than stubbornly cling to my case. This time.

The Jackal · 04-25-2008, 10:51 AM

he could've been the fool i guess but good lord you don't die as a seer without revealing your info.. i'm sorry i wasn't around this morning to consider changing my vote, but common, that kills us

vote pass

path12 · 04-25-2008, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Sonic Youth

And there is the reveal. Mine will come soon and you'll all know now.

Uh-oh. I do not have a good feeling about this.

ntndeacon · 04-25-2008, 10:53 AM

btw Render turned up a villager

The Jackal · 04-25-2008, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by path12

Uh-oh. I do not have a good feeling about this.

i don't understand, what reveal was he talking about before his?

ntndeacon · 04-25-2008, 10:55 AM

I think he was talking of Neon Chaos putting up his role after his death, but that is SOLELY a guess.

path12 · 04-25-2008, 10:55 AM

Looks like we need to go back through Sonic's posts. I'm assuming there are hints there. I do wish he would have revealed though, with no night kill tonight the bodyguard could have covered him the next one.

Anybody remember who was in thread towards deadline?

VOTE PASSACAGLIA

Passacaglia · 04-25-2008, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

he could've been the fool i guess but good lord you don't die as a seer without revealing your info.. i'm sorry i wasn't around this morning to consider changing my vote, but common, that kills us

vote pass

The Jackal, what makes you say he could have been the fool?

ntndeacon · 04-25-2008, 10:56 AM

Well, I think we have to go with the little bit of info SY left us. Which means we should vote Pass.

Vote Pass

ntndeacon · 04-25-2008, 10:57 AM

SY was til I left at 8:30 path. he even posted.

Passacaglia · 04-25-2008, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ntndeacon

I think he was talking of Neon Chaos putting up his role after his death, but that is SOLELY a guess.

Check it, people. The Fool is revealed as the Seer upon death. Let's not get this bandwagon started yet.

Passacaglia · 04-25-2008, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ntndeacon

Well, I think we have to go with the little bit of info SY left us. Which means we should vote Pass.

Vote Pass

I said, "Let's not get this bandwagon started!!"

path12 · 04-25-2008, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Happy birthday path! Any plans for the big night?

Thanks pass (and PB!). I took the day off to do yardwork, and just going out for some Indian food tonight. God I got boring somewhere along the way...

Passacaglia · 04-25-2008, 10:59 AM

Dude is obviously the Fool. Claims to be the seer, fingers a guy who is a villager as a wolf to keep himself alive, then is revealed as the seer upon death. And what's more, it's like I said earlier, he probably KNEW he was the Fool. Let me dig up my old post about it.

ntndeacon · 04-25-2008, 10:59 AM

here is the rule on fools...

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Fool - You think you are a Seer, and will thus be notified that you are a Seer. Each night, you may scan someone to check if he is a Werewolf. You will always see someone as a Villager. When the Seer views you, you will appear as the Fool. When you view a Seer, he will appear as a Fool. When you die, you will appear as a Seer.

If he calls someone a wolf then it is DOubtful he is fool

Passacaglia · 04-25-2008, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Also, reading the rules, the Fool sees everyone as a villager, not random. I'd assume that if there's a fool, he probably knows he's the fool by now -- if he were the real seer, he likely would have caught a wolf.

Here it is -- Post 735.

Passacaglia · 04-25-2008, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ntndeacon

here is the rule on fools...

If he calls someone a wolf then it is DOubtful he is fool

You mean if he scans me as a wolf. If he lied about it, he's just trying to save himself!

The Jackal · 04-25-2008, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

The Jackal, what makes you say he could have been the fool?

yeah the fool is revealed as the seer, which you already made mention of, but he seemed pretty sure that he wasn't the fool which means he probably got a return other than villager, and if so, he was the seer

him saying "i know pass is bad" is pretty damning, at this point

PurdueBrad · 04-25-2008, 11:03 AM

Unless I'm reading way too much into what nfg says, doesn't it sound like he is hinting at being the other seer? And he calls you a wolf too Pass, explanations?

PurdueBrad · 04-25-2008, 11:04 AM

And for the record here, I'm defending the seer that I voted to lynch that also told you guys to look at me. Pass, there can only be so many explanations.

RendeR · 04-25-2008, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

...There's not only that, but the fact that he lied about me being a wolf. ...

There is zero evidence that he lied about this at all, why should we believe you that he did so??

Ever have flea problems with all that fur Pass? =)

To Everyone else: I honestly have no hard evidence either way, but I simply can't shake the vibe I get from pass. I certainly see the merit of looking at others and certainly NFG is now high on the list of suspects, but I'm sticking to my guns on this one.

Passacaglia · 04-25-2008, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Unless I'm reading way too much into what nfg says, doesn't it sound like he is hinting at being the other seer? And he calls you a wolf too Pass, explanations?

It seems weird, but I think NFG knew something was up with SY's pointing at me, and jumped on it. He saw SY's hinting that I was bad, and knew he could get SY lynched by agreeing with him -- and getting everyone confused on how 2 people would be certain about me -- and knew that the votes would naturally swing toward me today.

Lathum · 04-25-2008, 11:07 AM

I think NFG deserves looking at but Pass is the obvious play today

The Jackal · 04-25-2008, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Unless I'm reading way too much into what nfg says, doesn't it sound like he is hinting at being the other seer? And he calls you a wolf too Pass, explanations?

only one of the seer/fool can actually be sure that he's a wolf.. which means one of SY/NFG was lying, or found out in some other way

Passacaglia · 04-25-2008, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

And for the record here, I'm defending the seer that I voted to lynch that also told you guys to look at me. Pass, there can only be so many explanations.

Hey, it's just one explanation -- it just happens to have a lot of facets!

Passacaglia · 04-25-2008, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by RendeR

There is zero evidence that he lied about this at all, why should we believe you that he did so??

Ever have flea problems with all that fur Pass? =)

To Everyone else: I honestly have no hard evidence either way, but I simply can't shake the vibe I get from pass. I certainly see the merit of looking at others and certainly NFG is now high on the list of suspects, but I'm sticking to my guns on this one.

The evidence is that I'm a villager. That's about all I can give you, but if I weren't a villager, how would I have thought of something like this.

As for my vibe, I don't know what to tell you. I'll try a different amplitude.

Passacaglia · 04-25-2008, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

only one of the seer/fool can actually be sure that he's a wolf.. which means one of SY/NFG was lying, or found out in some other way

EXACTLY!

Lathum · 04-25-2008, 11:12 AM

Do we think it is time for NFG to step up and clear some of this up?

He can still be protected tonight.

Thoughts?

RendeR · 04-25-2008, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

The evidence is that I'm a villager. That's about all I can give you, but if I weren't a villager, how would I have thought of something like this.

As for my vibe, I don't know what to tell you. I'll try a different amplitude.

Thats not evidence, thats your opinion =)

And as for how you'd think it up? Dude, I met you, yer a thinker and a damned good one =) You know quite well how to play al sorts of angles both as a villager and a wolf, whish is why I peged you as the primary choice the alpha should and would have made for his team.

You offer up lots of theories and lots of "facets" to why we should believe you but none of it realy holds water. You say the seer (or fool) is simply lying when he calls you a wolf? While it might seem plausible as a way to avoid getting lynched by giving peoplea reason to second guess voting for him its a lot more believable that he was simply telling the truth and screwed up by not coming completely out in the open and giving us all the rest of his info.

I believe you're a furball. its going to take a lot of evidence, real evidence to make me change my mind.

If I'm wrong, I'll admit it after the fact

RendeR · 04-25-2008, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Do we think it is time for NFG to step up and clear some of this up?

He can still be protected tonight.

Thoughts?

It certainly couldn't hurt anything =)

Passacaglia · 04-25-2008, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by RendeR

Thats not evidence, thats your opinion =)

And as for how you'd think it up? Dude, I met you, yer a thinker and a damned good one =) You know quite well how to play al sorts of angles both as a villager and a wolf, whish is why I peged you as the primary choice the alpha should and would have made for his team.

You offer up lots of theories and lots of "facets" to why we should believe you but none of it realy holds water. You say the seer (or fool) is simply lying when he calls you a wolf? While it might seem plausible as a way to avoid getting lynched by giving peoplea reason to second guess voting for him its a lot more believable that he was simply telling the truth and screwed up by not coming completely out in the open and giving us all the rest of his info.

I believe you're a furball. its going to take a lot of evidence, real evidence to make me change my mind.

If I'm wrong, I'll admit it after the fact

Thank you for the compliments

but my point was just that if I were really a wolf, and the seer pointed at me -- that's just something you can't fight against. The fact that I'm sitting here trying to think of ways this could have happened shows you that I'm good, and trying to help us figure out what's going on here!

nfg22 · 04-25-2008, 11:22 AM

Ok. Ill clear all this up...I am the seer also.

Im confused on how we both got Pass to come back as wolf but thats what I got.

I also have Lathum as a villager and just recently, last night PurdueBrad is.....A WOLF!\

I know since SY claimed to have Pass as a wolf also that I am under heat but have NT scan me tonight to see that I also am a seer.

nfg22 · 04-25-2008, 11:24 AM

Also...I scanned the guy who got nightkilled on day one and he came back villager...so this leads me to believe I am not a fool but I dont know how the SY thing works...

Passacaglia · 04-25-2008, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by nfg22

Ok. Ill clear all this up...I am the seer also.

Im confused on how we both got Pass to come back as wolf but thats what I got.

I also have Lathum as a villager and just recently, last night PurdueBrad is.....A WOLF!\

I know since SY claimed to have Pass as a wolf also that I am under heat but have NT scan me tonight to see that I also am a seer.

This totally corroborates my story.

Passacaglia · 04-25-2008, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by nfg22

Also...I scanned the guy who got nightkilled on day one and he came back villager...so this leads me to believe I am not a fool but I dont know how the SY thing works...

Come on. You're a seer, and you don't even know how the fool works?

nfg22 · 04-25-2008, 11:26 AM

Pass, shut up. You have been under suspicion for a while just die and turn wolf...

Heinz was the guy who came back wolf...

To sum it up....

Day 1 Heinz Villager
Day 2 Lathum(I accused him) Villager
Day 3 Pass (Wolf)
Day 4 PB (Wolf)

PurdueBrad · 04-25-2008, 11:27 AM

I am NOT a wolf and am on the verge of pulling a RendeR (no offense intended but this is infuriating). NFG, are you a wolf at endgame or what?!?!

nfg22 · 04-25-2008, 11:27 AM

By the way. If we have two seers, even if one is the fool, calling you a wolf, then dont you think it is very possible that you are a wolf? I mean why would the real seer lie?

Also maybe SY didnt scan pass but just have strong suspicion and didnt want to be lynched so he claimed that he scanned him.

nfg22 · 04-25-2008, 11:28 AM

PB...how are you infuriated? I am told I am the seer. I scanned you. You came back as wolf. You get mad? if your lying thats a jerk move...

04-25-2008, 10:32 AM	#757
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	<======= feeling inklings of Admiral Furious returning. Gah, never let yourself be lynched without giving out your information when you have such a HUGE role...GAH. Mistakes happen SY, but wow I hope you learned from this one. __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

04-25-2008, 10:55 AM	#768
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Looks like we need to go back through Sonic's posts. I'm assuming there are hints there. I do wish he would have revealed though, with no night kill tonight the bodyguard could have covered him the next one. Anybody remember who was in thread towards deadline? VOTE PASSACAGLIA __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

04-25-2008, 10:14 AM	#752
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	ntn, at this point, you are it COT-wise for me. If the rules are right, the only role that nfg could claim to be that is left is seer/fake seer (depending which died) but he can only see villager yet both he and SY claimed to see wolf. Does that mean it was a fake reveal? If so, my only thought is it could've been done to save Pass but then again, nfg had a vote on Pass. So for Monday, I'm looking nfg vs. Pass, do you have any insight or gut feeling either way ntn?

04-25-2008, 10:19 AM	#754
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Couldn't you make the same case for Claphamsa though too?

04-25-2008, 10:30 AM	#756
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	-briefly comes back to life- *You guys voted off the SEER?!??!?!* -goes back to being dead-

04-25-2008, 10:51 AM	#763
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	he could've been the fool i guess but good lord you don't die as a seer without revealing your info.. i'm sorry i wasn't around this morning to consider changing my vote, but common, that kills us vote pass

04-25-2008, 10:53 AM	#765
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	btw Render turned up a villager

04-25-2008, 10:55 AM	#767
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	I think he was talking of Neon Chaos putting up his role after his death, but that is SOLELY a guess.

04-25-2008, 10:56 AM	#770
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	Well, I think we have to go with the little bit of info SY left us. Which means we should vote Pass. Vote Pass

04-25-2008, 10:57 AM	#771
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	SY was til I left at 8:30 path. he even posted.

04-25-2008, 10:59 AM	#775
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Dude is obviously the Fool. Claims to be the seer, fingers a guy who is a villager as a wolf to keep himself alive, then is revealed as the seer upon death. And what's more, it's like I said earlier, he probably KNEW he was the Fool. Let me dig up my old post about it.

04-25-2008, 11:03 AM	#780
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Unless I'm reading way too much into what nfg says, doesn't it sound like he is hinting at being the other seer? And he calls you a wolf too Pass, explanations?

04-25-2008, 11:04 AM	#781
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	And for the record here, I'm defending the seer that I voted to lynch that also told you guys to look at me. Pass, there can only be so many explanations.

04-25-2008, 11:07 AM	#784
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I think NFG deserves looking at but Pass is the obvious play today

04-25-2008, 11:12 AM	#789
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Do we think it is time for NFG to step up and clear some of this up? He can still be protected tonight. Thoughts?

04-25-2008, 11:22 AM	#793
nfg22 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2004	Ok. Ill clear all this up...I am the seer also. Im confused on how we both got Pass to come back as wolf but thats what I got. I also have Lathum as a villager and just recently, last night PurdueBrad is.....A WOLF!\ I know since SY claimed to have Pass as a wolf also that I am under heat but have NT scan me tonight to see that I also am a seer.

04-25-2008, 11:24 AM	#794
nfg22 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2004	Also...I scanned the guy who got nightkilled on day one and he came back villager...so this leads me to believe I am not a fool but I dont know how the SY thing works...

04-25-2008, 11:26 AM	#797
nfg22 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2004	Pass, shut up. You have been under suspicion for a while just die and turn wolf... Heinz was the guy who came back wolf... To sum it up.... Day 1 Heinz Villager Day 2 Lathum(I accused him) Villager Day 3 Pass (Wolf) Day 4 PB (Wolf)

04-25-2008, 11:27 AM	#798
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	I am NOT a wolf and am on the verge of pulling a RendeR (no offense intended but this is infuriating). NFG, are you a wolf at endgame or what?!?!

04-25-2008, 11:27 AM	#799
nfg22 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2004	By the way. If we have two seers, even if one is the fool, calling you a wolf, then dont you think it is very possible that you are a wolf? I mean why would the real seer lie? Also maybe SY didnt scan pass but just have strong suspicion and didnt want to be lynched so he claimed that he scanned him.

04-25-2008, 11:28 AM	#800
nfg22 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2004	PB...how are you infuriated? I am told I am the seer. I scanned you. You came back as wolf. You get mad? if your lying thats a jerk move...

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