NFL 2016 Head Coaching and Offseason Stuff

[PilotMan]

I don't think anyone has really said he is game ready right away. Looking at the Rams deal, I think they take Goff#1. Keep the hometown boy at home, Wentz is going to Cleveland. At least, that's what feels right to me, but I've been wrong very consistently.

[stevew]

Looks like the Rams will take Goff, at least according to one report from Jason La Canfora

[BishopMVP]

If people are even debating who you traded up to get at #1... it's a good sign you probably overpaid for the pick.

Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

Really like Goff though, he is the kind of guy who will pick defenses apart with short and intermediate accuracy if he is protected and has at least average receivers. He also seems like a guy who you can beat if you can rush him and strip sacks will be a concern.

That was my read on Goff this year... very accurate, really quick release, tall, went through progressions well, and as soon as there was any pocket pressure everything fell apart. The tools are there for a great NFL QB, but I do not see it going well if he's asked to start from Day 1.

[stevew]

Goff has really small hands. Wonder if that will be a factor even if all of his divisional games are in warm weather.

[Logan]

Good article. Browns fans should definitely not click through.

The day the Browns passed on Big Ben

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by BishopMVP

If people are even debating who you traded up to get at #1... it's a good sign you probably overpaid for the pick.

That was my read on Goff this year... very accurate, really quick release, tall, went through progressions well, and as soon as there was any pocket pressure everything fell apart. The tools are there for a great NFL QB, but I do not see it going well if he's asked to start from Day 1.

People once debated about Manning and Ryan Leaf.

The "people" aren't always smart.

[Logan]

Rams #1, Eagles #2...

[cartman]

At first glance, it seems like the Browns could have gotten some more picks.

[Logan]

Agree. It's still a lot to give up but getting that 2nd rounder to be 2018 and not 2017 is pretty big. Allows them an extra year of improving so that it's more towards the back of the round.

[bhlloy]

I dunno - that's one less pick than the Titans got for #1, they don't get the two seconds but 8 i more valuable than 15 in the first round, so it's probably close to a wash. Everyone knew the Browns didn't want the QB at #2, so the value they could get was somewhat limited. I think it's fine.

[cartman]

Also wonder what it means for Bradford. Are they moving up to get a QB?

[Logan]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

I dunno - that's one less pick than the Titans got for #1, they don't get the two seconds but 8 i more valuable than 15 in the first round, so it's probably close to a wash. Everyone knew the Browns didn't want the QB at #2, so the value they could get was somewhat limited. I think it's fine.

Good point on 8 vs 15.

[Logan]

I just can't believe these are the two QBs that teams are going bonkers to trade up for.

[albionmoonlight]

I think that Chase Daniel would have been a quality NFL starter. And now it seems we will never know. He was behind Brees for years. Then Alex Smith. Now Goff/Wentz.

[albionmoonlight]

dola:

The trade and the teams involved don't surprise me. But I am surprised that it happened before the Rams picked. This seems like a trade you hash out and say "If the Rams pick X, then we have a deal." Kind of surprised that both Goff and Wentz are viewed that highly by the Eagles.

[bhlloy]

Originally Posted by cartman

Also wonder what it means for Bradford. Are they moving up to get a QB?

This I think is the most interesting question. Are they going up to guarantee one of Ramsey or Tunsil? And if not, how do you square that with the money you've committed to Bradford?

[NobodyHere]

That noise you just heard was Carson Wentz breathing a huge sigh of relief.

[NobodyHere]

dola

I like this trade for the Browns though

[Logan]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

This I think is the most interesting question. Are they going up to guarantee one of Ramsey or Tunsil? And if not, how do you square that with the money you've committed to Bradford?

Bradford for 2016, Daniel is the long term backup and potential trade bait if he gets an opportunity to show something, and Wentz/Goff is the assumed starter in 2017. Bradford off the roster by then.

They're taking a QB.

[Comey]

Roseman quoted at the presser as saying they are going to take whichever QB is left at #2. Sigh. Not a fan.

[bhlloy]

I think there's a very real possibility we look back at these two trades as the moves that crippled two franchises for the next 5+ years. I don't really get the love for Goff and Wentz is going to at best be a project that needs patience

[Logan]

This thought process would terrify me as an Eagles fan:

Howie makes point about future drafts I've heard from a number of NFL offices: QB position looks murky in next couple drafts after this one.

— Jeff Darlington (@JeffDarlington) April 20, 2016

[Suicane75]

I never like trading away picks, especially 1st rounders. But If they think either one of these guys has franchise potential, then I'm OK with it. Personally, I think I'd rather have Wentz.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by Logan

Agree. It's still a lot to give up but getting that 2nd rounder to be 2018 and not 2017 is pretty big. Allows them an extra year of improving so that it's more towards the back of the round.

I'd rather get the 2018 2nd than the 2017. The Eagles will probably be bad both years, but there's a chance Bradford makes them better than expected this season. The 2018 pick will benefit from a first year starter at QB and a lack of depth from the other lost picks. I'd almost guarantee that 2018 pick is in the top ten of round two.

[Suicane75]

A couple of draft picks isn't going to kill them depth wise. I honestly don't think either year are going to be top 10 picks. This is a middle of the road team that's more likely to be better than anticipated, not worse.

[EagleFan]

Hate this move. Wentz is a bust.

[Solecismic]

These trades illustrate how quickly draft picks have rebounded in value since the new labor agreement was ratified limiting compensation.

It's only a matter of time before there's a Curt Flood-type lawsuit brought against the NFL by one of these top picks.

[Radii]

Carolina has rescinded the franchise tag offer to Josh Norman. He is now an unrestricted free agent.

[stevew]

Whoa...wtf is Carolina doing?

[corbes]

What sort of leash does Bradford get from the fans this year? Do the boos start on the first interception or the first incompletion? And what reaction are we expecting when Chase Daniel trots out there in relief instead of the #2 pick?

[Julio Riddols]

This is one of the best trades the Browns have ever made.

[Julio Riddols]

I also think Bradford is with another team before the regular season starts.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by Logan

This thought process would terrify me as an Eagles fan:

Obviously, there are going to be surprise QB's and a couple of these guys will Hackenburg themselves and fall apart, but here is the list of QB's that look to be coming out in the next couple of years:

1 - Deshaun Watson
2 - Baker Mayfield
3 - Seth Russell
4 - JT Barrett (not likely to be a top 10 guy)
5 - Greg Ward
6 - Chad Kelly
7 - Patrick Mahomes
8 - Brad Kaaya
9 - Josh Rosen
10 - Mason Rudolph

(this list was essentially a list of top college QB's I pulled from a website. I know there are guys who are sure fire first round picks that I missed on. (Drew Lock, right?)

Of the group above there, I like Watson a lot. I don't think Mayfield has the measurables. Not a huge fan of Kelly. Rosen looks good. Rudolph has a rocket for an arm, this year is critical for him. All Baylor QB's seem to be good in college. I know zilch of Greg Ward or Brad Kaaya. Mahomes looks damned good to me, even for the system he's in.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Radii

Carolina has rescinded the franchise tag offer to Josh Norman. He is now an unrestricted free agent.

Bummed.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Hate this move. Wentz is a bust.

Perhaps he should you know get into a game before you call him a bust

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Perhaps he should you know get into a game before you call him a bust

Avoiding the rush.

[bhlloy]

Don't understand the Norman move at all. Why would you let a top 3 corner leave in today's NFL?

[TroyF]

Look, I'm a Philly fan, I'm thrilled with this. If the Browns thought the trade was a GOOD idea, then we know based on history, it will likely be a HORRIBLE idea.

My philosophy in life: think the opposite of what the Browns think and I'll be ok.

If Wenz/Goff is a bust and you guys get your ass kicked on a trade to the Browns, you may as well forget ever getting that Super Bowl.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by TroyF

Look, I'm a Philly fan, I'm thrilled with this. If the Browns thought the trade was a GOOD idea, then we know based on history, it will likely be a HORRIBLE idea.

My philosophy in life: think the opposite of what the Browns think and I'll be ok.

If Wenz/Goff is a bust and you guys get your ass kicked on a trade to the Browns, you may as well forget ever getting that Super Bowl.

The Eagles just gave up a ton of assets and have no idea who they're getting yet.

There's no way to spin this as a good move at this point.

[corbes]

TRUST THE PROCESS

[Solecismic]

Originally Posted by Atocep

The Eagles just gave up a ton of assets and have no idea who they're getting yet.

There's no way to spin this as a good move at this point.

Jeff Lurie was obviously a big Monty Hall fan as a kid.

The other thing about this is that the Eagles have an extremely quarterback-heavy coaching staff. I can't imagine everyone is on the same page regarding which of the two they want or how they will manage the Bradford/Daniel/newbie situation.

[Radii]

"Context from Panthers source: Panthers didn’t think looming distraction of an inevitable holdout was worth the one-year, $14 million lease."

People thought they were insane for cutting Steve Smith. I know this is a bit different, but it sounds like there was just no way they were going to work out a long term deal and the way he's been talking about his value and all this they expected issues. At this point I trust Gettleman and this doesn't really bother me any. I certainly accept this as a good option instead of overpaying a guy who had one great year. Had enough of that under the last GM to last a lifetime.

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by TroyF

you may as well forget ever getting that Super Bowl.

Already way ahead of the curve on this one.

[bhlloy]

Originally Posted by Radii

"Context from Panthers source: Panthers didn’t think looming distraction of an inevitable holdout was worth the one-year, $14 million lease."

People thought they were insane for cutting Steve Smith. I know this is a bit different, but it sounds like there was just no way they were going to work out a long term deal and the way he's been talking about his value and all this they expected issues. At this point I trust Gettleman and this doesn't really bother me any. I certainly accept this as a good option instead of overpaying a guy who had one great year. Had enough of that under the last GM to last a lifetime.

A bit different? You got to the Super Bowl and are giving away the best player at his position at one of the most important positions in the league. Sorry, this makes zero sense.

[jbergey22]

I dont understand teams with so many needs giving up so many draft picks just to move up a few spots in a weak QB draft. Great trade for the Browns.

If you are 2-3 pieces to the puzzle away go all out and get the guy you want. If you are half a team away from being a 10 win team dont trade your picks. Not understanding this trade from the Eagles POV. Rams sort of made sense because they are VERY close.

This article makes me laugh however.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-...inkId=23684924

Play better and quit bitching Bradford. Complaining about them drafting another QB when you were subpar is the reason he is an average NFL QB.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by Atocep

The Eagles just gave up a ton of assets and have no idea who they're getting yet.

There's no way to spin this as a good move at this point.

1) I think they know who they are getting. My guess is true league insiders know exactly who the Rams are taking.

2) If they did this move and do not like one of the QB's, it would be a shocker of a trade. If they don't know who they are getting and they think that either Goff or Wentz will be a horrible QB, then there is no way they do this deal.

I think #1 is the truth. I'd also wager heavily that they believe that they are getting a good QB at #2 whichever of the two QB's they pick.

If I'm wrong on either of those things, you are right. There is simply no way to spin that.

[stevew]

Norman is a jaguar by noon on Friday, right?

[miked]

I don't get why they did not just deal him to somebody for a pick. There must be about 10 teams that would part with a 2nd round pick to extend him.

[stevew]

8-10 teams have expressed interest. I think they might have gotten a pick in round 2 as well, but my guess is it would have been in the 2017 draft based on playing time and stuff like that.

[JPhillips]

Would they have had to wait until he signed the franchise offer? Maybe they were expecting a holdout that would have denied them the opportunity to trade him.