The Official 2013 MLB Thread

[Easy Mac]

List of highest paid players each year on Baseball Reference. This can't be right, can it?

Year	National League	Salary	American League	Salary
2012	Matt Guerrier	4,750,000	Mark Teahen	5,500,0000

[molson]

I think Bobby Bonilla made more than that last year.

I see that error on Baseball Reference, the code is screwed up. Both players' names start with Ma, it's pulling from some alphabetical list or something.

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by Easy Mac

List of highest paid players each year on Baseball Reference. This can't be right, can it?

Year    National League    Salary    American League    Salary
2012    Matt Guerrier    4,750,000    Mark Teahen    5,500,0000

Pujols made that last night.

[Easy Mac]

Listening to Tim Kurkjian talking on the Tony Kornheiser show makes me weep for prominent baseball journalism. That he doesn't even understand why walks are important is incredible.

[Butter]

As a Reds fan, I've learned that those walkers are just clogging up the bases.

[Crapshoot]

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

As a Reds fan, I've learned that those walkers are just clogging up the bases.

Zach Costart at #2 cuz he's a #2 hitter, right?

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

As a Reds fan, I've learned that those walkers are just clogging up the bases.

Really funny that Choo and Votto lead the league in walks.

[Butter]

Originally Posted by Crapshoot

Zach Costart at #2 cuz he's a #2 hitter, right?

SS hits second. Don't fucking question the system.

[kingfc22]

What bullshit. Alfonso Marquez has now blown TWO calls. One at the plate and now one and third. Rockies should send him a nice bottle of wine tonight.

[kingfc22]

Extra inning, come from behind, inside the park walk off home run.

Beautiful!

[Buccaneer]

My brother and I was there at the Giants game but left after 9. I'm not going to ever forget missing the one chance I had to see an inside the park hr.

[Suicane75]

(Joke about being old. Something about needing a nap maybe.)

But seriously, why did ya leave?

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

What bullshit. Alfonso Marquez has now blown TWO calls. One at the plate and now one and third. Rockies should send him a nice bottle of wine tonight.

The first one was bad but the second one was missed but he was so far out of the base path, he should have been out

[cartman]

Twenty years ago today, one of the great events in MLB history happened.

[Vince, Pt. II]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

The first one was bad but the second one was missed but he was so far out of the base path, he should have been out

You're kidding, right? He missed the base by about 6 inches.

[Lathum]

So tell me if I was out of line here.

Went to the Reds game today with wife and kids. People next to us had 2 kids, probably 8 and 10. Towards the end of the game they go and get cups of ice water. They then decide to have an ice fight, horsing around, ice down shirts, etc... I should mention at the time I have my 3 week old daughter in the carrier strapped to my chest.

The kid sitting next to me if bumping into me a lot, a few splashes on my arm, but I ignore it because I get kids are kids. My wife takes my son to the bathroom. While she is gone the game ends and the kid next to me throws the rest of the water into his cup straight into theair, mostly landing on me and my daughter. I have now had enough.

I stand up and say to Mom 2 seats down, your kids just splashed water all over me and my baby, can you please ask them to settle down.She looks at me like I am the asshole, thinks of a good responses, and says, buddy, this is a baseball game. I then say, so that means it is ok to throw water onto people?

My wife had just gotten back, and you don't fuck with Mama bear, wife gave the lady one glare and she grabbed her kids and left.


The Beach Boys played a show after and it was a really good time, but man was I pissed. Funny thing is the ladys husband didnt say a word and didnt look at me. I must be intimidating with a 3 week old strapped to me.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Lathum

So tell me if I was out of line here.

No, you weren't.

I'd go so far as to call your restraint admirable.

Funny thing is the ladys husband didnt say a word and didnt look at me. I must be intimidating with a3 week old strapped to me.

I doubt it was the intimidation tbh. More likely he's simply disinterested in defending his worthless waste of oxygen of a wife & his candidates-for-retroactive-abortion children.

[spleen1015]

You waited to long to say something.

[Buccaneer]

We needed to leave in order to get a table at Smugglers Cove, best rum bar there is.

[Suicane75]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Stuff

Why in the world would you take a 3 week old to a baseball game?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Suicane75

Why in the world would you take a 3 week old to a baseball game?

Why wouldn't you?

Do you think you need to be a hermit once you have children?

[mauchow]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Why wouldn't you?

Do you think you need to be a hermit once you have children?

We forget how little our Leah truly is. She's nearly four months old but she's only three weeks old adjusted... but she can handle most things like this weekend we had an all day outing to a garden and amusement park. And she did fine for the most part, but it wore my wife out big time.

I suspect a baseball game is fine.. as long as not constantly crying.

[Lathum]

Hardly any crying, except when she was hungry, and the ballpark has several nursing stations so obviously they want to cater to young families.

I guess I just don't understand WHY he thinks a 3 week old shouldn't be at a game. Safety? Potentially annoying people around us? Just seemed like an odd comment.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Originally Posted by Lathum

So tell me if I was out of line here.

Went to the Reds game today with wife and kids. People next to us had 2 kids, probably 8 and 10. Towards the end of the game they go and get cups of ice water. They then decide to have an ice fight, horsing around, ice down shirts, etc... I should mention at the time I have my 3 week old daughter in the carrier strapped to my chest.

The kid sitting next to me if bumping into me a lot, a few splashes on my arm, but I ignore it because I get kids are kids. My wife takes my son to the bathroom. While she is gone the game ends and the kid next to me throws the rest of the water into his cup straight into theair, mostly landing on me and my daughter. I have now had enough.

I stand up and say to Mom 2 seats down, your kids just splashed water all over me and my baby, can you please ask them to settle down.She looks at me like I am the asshole, thinks of a good responses, and says, buddy, this is a baseball game. I then say, so that means it is ok to throw water onto people?

My wife had just gotten back, and you don't fuck with Mama bear, wife gave the lady one glare and she grabbed her kids and left.


The Beach Boys played a show after and it was a really good time, but man was I pissed. Funny thing is the ladys husband didnt say a word and didnt look at me. I must be intimidating with a 3 week old strapped to me.

Be happy it wasn't a Phillies game

[Suicane75]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Why wouldn't you? Do you think you need to be a hermit once you have children?

Your response is not only silly, but furthers my initial perception of your original post. Take your baby out of the equation and tell me if you're still as annoyed.

Originally Posted by Lathum

Hardly any crying, except when she was hungry, and the ballpark has several nursing stations so obviously they want to cater to young families.

Or maybe they just don't want to have to deal with people bitching that there aren't any changing stations. They also have baseball there, so obviously they want to cater to young kids.

Originally Posted by Lathum

I guess I just don't understand WHY he thinks a 3 week old shouldn't be at a game. Safety? Potentially annoying people around us? Just seemed like an odd comment.

Safety yeah, but mostly the annoying thing. If you think it's ok that people have to deal with your kid crying (which on some level you must, otherwise you wouldn't have brought him), why do you think it's not ok that you have to deal with kids having a good time?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Suicane75

If you think it's ok that people have to deal with your kid crying (which on some level you must, otherwise you wouldn't have brought him), why do you think it's not ok that you have to deal with kids having a good time?

Took mine all sorts of places, never ran into a big issue ... as long as I didn't take him during the colic hours.

Not every baby is a shrieking banshee, especially not if they're the engaged in their surroundings sort.

[Suicane75]

I'm not suggesting they are, and I'm not suggesting it's a parenting issue or anything like that. I just know that my level of excitement for a day out at the ball game would drop significantly if the guy sitting next to me had a newborn strapped to him, not because I hate kids or think that their parents should be hermits, but as a common courtesy. One that I shouldn't be put in a position to deal with at an event like that, and would probably irritate me.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Suicane75

I'm not suggesting they are, and I'm not suggesting it's a parenting issue or anything like that. I just know that my level of excitement for a day out at the ball game would drop significantly if the guy sitting next to me had a newborn strapped to him, not because I hate kids or think that their parents should be hermits, but as a common courtesy. One that I shouldn't be put in a position to deal with at an event like that, and would probably irritate me.

{shrug} A well-behaved child, I'm not seeing an issue. One that has parents that lack the sense/common decency to remove the child from the situation if it becomes problematic, whole different matter.

Maybe it's just one of those odd things where I actually assume the best instead of the worst until proven otherwise. (which ain't my default setting)

[Lathum]

Suicane, your response is typical of someone who has no kids.

To answer your questions.

Yes, I would have been just as annoyed had my kid not been with me. I would rather not have ice water dumped on me regardless of the situation.

It is illegal to not have changing stations, and I actually said nursing station, 2 very different things. And as soon as the baby started crying my wife took her to feed her

I don't expect anyone to have to deal with my kid crying, but it is a baseball game, not a nice restaurant or movie theater, and we actually purchased tickets through a family package for that section.

IMO there is a difference between kids having a good time and crossing a line to being out of control.

You yourself say you don't want a screaming baby next to you at a game, well I would rather not have kids dumping ice water on me.

I just know that my level of excitement for a day out at the ball game would drop significantly if the guy sitting next to me had a newborn strapped to him, not because I hate kids or think that their parents should be hermits, but as a common courtesy.

Do you realize how hypocritical this is? In one statement you say they shouldn't have to be hermits, and in the next say it should be a common courtesy to not bring them out? To a day baseball game on a Sunday? Are you serious?

[Suicane75]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Suicane, your response is typical of someone who has no kids.

To answer your questions.

Yes, I would have been just as annoyed had my kid not been with me. I would rather not have ice water dumped on me regardless of the situation.

It is illegal to not have changing stations, and I actually said nursing station, 2 very different things.

I don't expect anyone to have to deal with my kid crying, but it is a baseball game, not a nice restaurant or movie theater, and we actually purchased tickets through a family package for that section.

IMO there is a difference between kids having a good time and crossing a line to being out of control.

You yourself say you don't want a screaming baby next to you at a game, well I would rather not have kids dumping ice water on me.



Do you realize how hypocritical this is? In on statement you say they shouldn't have to be hermits, and in the next say it should be a common courtesy to not bring them out? To a day baseball game on a Sunday? Are you serious?

If it didn't matter then why did you feel the need to mention it?

I would expect kids sitting around me at a baseball game, I wouldn't expect an infant.

And I wasn't talking about your courtesy, I was talking about mine. I'm saying if someone next to me has a baby there are certain things I wouldn't do at the game that I might otherwise, out of courtesy to you, and that would bother me, because now I have to change how I act based on the fact that you need to needlessly bring your baby to a ballgame. And stop it with this hermit thing, nobody except you has equated not bringing a baby to a ballgame with being a hermit ffs.

[cuervo72]

I think I'd feel more of a need to change my behavior (well, not me personally, as I'm not going to get drunk and swear and act the fool in that situation anyway) around kids who are 8-10 more than I would an infant. I mean, a three-week-old isn't going to know what the hell you're doing, it's just going to sit there being the little grub (and I mean that in a good way) that it is.

The family Lathum encountered sounds like a bunch of asses, to me. Kids can have a fun time, but don't do it at the expense of others in attendance. Pretty sure my family members would be pretty pissed if they had water splashed all over them.

[miked]

:shrug: I would rather sit next to a poorly behaved child than a poorly behaved adult. Hint, one is much more pervasive at sporting events than the other. I brought my 8 week old to a Braves game. Aside from waking up and wanting some food once or twice, she was much more quieter and behaved than some of the adults I've been to games with. Most parents too, can also recognize when it's time to bring the baby inside to the snack area where there is much more space and away from the action.

[Suicane75]

Maybe it's just me, I'd be a lot less apt to yell, clap or be raucous with a baby next to me.

[Lathum]

It's just you. I don't expect anyone to change their behavior anywhere I bring my child. It isn't like I asked them to be quiet. I asked them to not throw water on me.

[Suicane75]

And your baby.

[Lathum]

She needed a bath anyway

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Suicane75

Maybe it's just me, I'd be a lot less apt to yell, clap or be raucous with a baby next to me.

Honestly, I think that one is mostly on you.

There's always a chance that you'll end up next to some halfwit that confuses a ball game with a meditation class but by & large I figure most people would have the same general expectations of your behavior whether they had a baby with them or not.

And I think cuervo hit on something too, I believe you'd actually encounter more expectations (unfair & unrealistic though they might be) from people who brought pre-tweens with them than from those who brought babies.

[rowech]

I'm curious if the stances on this discussion are the same when it comes to the movies or a restaurant?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by rowech

I'm curious if the stances on this discussion are the same when it comes to the movies or a restaurant?

I'm on the record as having no problem with well-behaved kids pretty much anywhere they can legally be.

The behavior is the key, not the age itself, afaic.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

I'm on the record as having no problem with well-behaved kids pretty much anywhere they can legally be.

The behavior is the key, not the age itself, afaic.

Not something I find myself saying often, but I agree with Jon
(meh, didn't feel nearly as dirty as I suspected).

I find that I'm probably a little too restrictive with my kids in public places, as it makes my skin crawl watching other parents do nothing.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

Not something I find myself saying often, but I agree with Jon (meh, didn't feel nearly as dirty as I suspected).

[PilotMan]

Look Squirrel!!!


Anyway, has Mattingly been fired yet?

[cougarfreak]

I've got a sneaky suspicion the Reds and Indians are throwing down tonight.

[Vince, Pt. II]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

Look Squirrel!!!


Anyway, has Mattingly been fired yet?

I honestly haven't been paying that much attention except to chuckle at their misfortune, but aren't the Dodgers only like 7 games back? With all the injuries they've had, that's not even that bad. I understand their payroll is obscene and expectations are high, but they're by no means out of this thing.

[Butter]

Originally Posted by cougarfreak

I've got a sneaky suspicion the Reds and Indians are throwing down tonight.

Choo and Phillips both got hit, but nothing happened.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by Vince, Pt. II

I honestly haven't been paying that much attention except to chuckle at their misfortune, but aren't the Dodgers only like 7 games back? With all the injuries they've had, that's not even that bad. I understand their payroll is obscene and expectations are high, but they're by no means out of this thing.

I only follow the Dodgers through fantasy and when the Cardinals play them but this weekend Mattingly pulled Matt Kemp for a pinch hitter in like the 6th or 7th inning. I know Kemp is having a subpar year but seems like a bit of over managing there. And I admit I am somewhat biased based purely on fantasy on this one but for some reason he has something against Andre Ethier, if the replacement were an improvement I might agree but Ethier seems to be in the doghouse like he is the reason that Mattingly can't manage.

And as far as injuries go I would agree and don't know what Mattingly's role is in the decision making but anyone who is shocked that the likes of Hanley Rameriz and Josh Beckett are injured doesn't follow baseball very closely. What not see if Chase Utley, Carlos Qunetin, or Jose Reyes are available?

[cougarfreak]

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

Choo and Phillips both got hit, but nothing happened.

Yeah, I think that's the smart thing for the Reds to do. Honestly, I thought Chapman's first pitch slipped the night before. The second one up by Swisher's head was total BS. If you want to make a point there, throw at his ass, not near his head. Hopefully that stuff is done.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by panerd

I only follow the Dodgers through fantasy and when the Cardinals play them but this weekend Mattingly pulled Matt Kemp for a pinch hitter in like the 6th or 7th inning. I know Kemp is having a subpar year but seems like a bit of over managing there.

But (after reading more) that was part of a double switch, one of two Mattingly made during the game. And that eventual pinch-hitter did drive in an critical insurance run.

And I admit I am somewhat biased based purely on fantasy on this one but for some reason he has something against Andre Ethier, if the replacement were an improvement I might agree but Ethier seems to be in the doghouse like he is the reason that Mattingly can't manage.

Looks like Ethier is sitting mostly against left handers right now. Checking his game log it appears the first benching was on 5/17 vs Atl/Maholm. He sat again on 5/19 vs Atl/Minor. Sat again 5/22 vs Mil/Peralta (a RHP), that's the game where quotes about fielding the lineup that plays the hardest were made. He sat again Monday vs LAA/Wilson, as ESPN.com noted "The Dodgers seem committed to using Ethier in a platoon going forward with Ethier batting just .238 for his career against lefties. "

Otherwise I suspect what he's got against Ethier is watching him underproduce & badly (more than .100 below his career OPS so far this year). There's also continuing concerns about his "on-field demeanor", so his lack of production likely makes sitting him a lot easier decision. That looks like a case where it's time for a guy to move on but the pricetag makes that difficult at best.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

But (after reading more) that was part of a double switch, one of two Mattingly made during the game. And that eventual pinch-hitter did drive in an critical insurance run.



Looks like Ethier is sitting mostly against left handers right now. Checking his game log it appears the first benching was on 5/17 vs Atl/Maholm. He sat again on 5/19 vs Atl/Minor. Sat again 5/22 vs Mil/Peralta (a RHP), that's the game where quotes about fielding the lineup that plays the hardest were made. He sat again Monday vs LAA/Wilson, as ESPN.com noted "The Dodgers seem committed to using Ethier in a platoon going forward with Ethier batting just .238 for his career against lefties. "

Otherwise I suspect what he's got against Ethier is watching him underproduce & badly (more than .100 below his career OPS so far this year). There's also continuing concerns about his "on-field demeanor", so his lack of production likely makes sitting him a lot easier decision. That looks like a case where it's time for a guy to move on but the pricetag makes that difficult at best.

I know it was a double switch and you do those with Skip Schumaker or Dee Gordon, never seen it done with a superstar even when they are having a down year. LaRussa was the king of overmanagement and I never saw him take out Pujols or Holliday to preserve the pitcher's spot later on in the inning.

Ethier has been sitting against right handers as well and it goes back to who is the replacement. If you have 4-5 legit outfielders platoon away when Scot Van Slyke and Jerry Hairston Jr. are starting in his place maybe you are overmanaging.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by panerd

Ethier has been sitting against right handers as well

When?

Dodgers have played 50 games, Ethier has played in 48.

He's started 44 games in RF, 1 at DH. That leaves 2 games where he didn't play and 3 games where he didn't start.

He didn't play 4/7 vs Pit (vs LHP Locke)
He didn't start 5/17 vs Atl (vs LHP Maholm)
He didn't start 5/19 vs Atl (vs LHP Minor)
He didn't play 5/22 vs Mil (vs RHP Peralta)
He didn't start 5/27 vs LAA (vs LHP Wilson)

So where - other than the one I mentioned earlier - has Ethier "been sitting" against right-handers?