Obama versus McCain (versus the rest)

[DaddyTorgo]

lol @ mccain trying to pin the negativity on obama

[Big Fo]

McCain going on again about town hall meetings again. This guy is fucking ridiculous.

[Mac Howard]

"Are either of you willing to say to the other what your campaigns are saying?"

That was good.

[SirFozzie]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Are you kidding me? McCain saying that OBAMA'S gone too negative?

That's code for "Hey! None of the mud my campaign's been throwing at you has stuck! No Fair!"

[Swaggs]

I think McCain could be winning on content tonight, but his tone is awful. He just seems outwardly angry when speaking and seething while listening.

I think listening to this on the radio would leave me with a much different impression than watching it on television.

[DaddyTorgo]

obama should turn around and say "i'll repudiate the lewis comments if you repudiate the shit your VP candidate is saying"

[Swaggs]

Dola...

Well, until that question.

McCain ignores the question and criticizes Obama for the full time allotted.

[DaddyTorgo]

look at obama turning this answer positive and using it to be positive, instead of mccain's bitter angry answer...beautiful debating skills

[sabotai]

"My feelings!"

"MY feelings!"

"Your ads!"

"YOUR ADS!!!!"

I hate baseball, but I'm watching that instead.

[DaddyTorgo]

can mccain stop interrupting? what an angry old man

[Swaggs]

McCain is losing it.

Awkward.

[Big Fo]

So now McCain is asserting that Obama dissed World War II vets by mentioning the ugly things his supporters have said at his rallies. So awesome.

[Calis]

I actually thought early on in this McCain made some solid points and I thought he might come on strong this debate.

Now he's angry and pouting and it's becoming painful to watch.

[DaddyTorgo]

SHUT UP MCCAIN...YOU INTERRUPTING FUCK. LET SOMEONE ELSE FINISH A DAMN QUESTION!

[SirFozzie]

Yup. McCain's gone negative, and Obama's playing Mental Aikido on him, deflecting his attacks, making McCain look out of line.

[DaddyTorgo]

ooooh - Obama NAILING the Ayers and ACORN things...beautifully done

[sterlingice]

Schaefer: (paraphrasing) "What about your running mates? Why is yours better than your opponents?"
Obama (licking his lips): "Where do I start?"

SI

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

ooooh - Obama NAILING the Ayers and ACORN things...beautifully done

I thought those were nicely done. The people who aren't reading into the fact check sites and doing extra research just had Obama frame those two attacks for them. That just didn't work out well for McCain.

SI

[DaddyTorgo]

Obama's gonna take the high-road here and let McCain sink Palin on his own - interesting.

OMG - did McCain just snort there when Obama said "energy independence" ??

[SirFozzie]

Man, if CNN's interest meter from the undecided voters for McCain was an EKG, there'd be a crash team running to the hospital bed.

[DaddyTorgo]

"Americans have gotten to know Sarah Palin" -- really John???

[Big Fo]

Everytime McCain says he and Palin will get rid of the old boys network you just have to laugh. The only reason McCain is here today is because of the old boys network...

[Swaggs]

Alright... who had "cockamamie" on their debate Bingo card?

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Alright... who had "cockamamie" on their debate Bingo card?

i had "tit" and Obama got that one

[DaddyTorgo]

lol - the extreme environmentalists are the only ones saying nuclear power has to be safe John? Are you fucking batshit?

[DaddyTorgo]

WE CANNOT OFFSHORE DRILL NOW YOU LYING FUCK!!!!!

I COVERED THAT IN THE LAST FUCKING DEBATE!!!!

[GrantDawg]

I love that the moderator start by asking about "climate control." I thought the rest of the question would be "What exactly will you do with George Bush's Hurricane making machine?"

[SirFozzie]

Obama said it better then I could

"1. We do need to expand domestic production, that means oil companies must use the offshore leases they already have."

In other words "Eat what's on your plate before you go back for seconds"

[Young Drachma]

McCain is coming off as a real ass.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

McCain is coming off as a real ass.

yep. which isn't going to be his homerun

[GrantDawg]

Man, McCain not being very smooth at all. My wife asked if he was having a stroke.

[SirFozzie]

Man, McCain has no real bullets in the gun except "That one wants to talk to EVIL PEOPLE!"

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Man, McCain has no real bullets in the gun except "That one wants to talk to EVIL PEOPLE!"

I just think he can't remember any of his other talking points.

[Young Drachma]

Wow, he even botched his Joe-Six Pack line.

[QuikSand]

Sorta interesting... I'm listening (not watching) and while I find Obama more eloquent, I don't sense the sort of meltdown that many of you seem to. McCain is stammering a bit, but in the audio I'm not sensing a collapse here.

[Big Fo]

The snake nearly broke through the top of the chart when Obama was talking about health care.

It plummeted when McCain mentioned Joe the Plumber for the fifteenth time in one hour.

[DaddyTorgo]

he looks very angry, he's interrupting all the time and trying to talk over obama's responses, and he's getting walloped on his attempted attacks (ayers+acorn for two of them, just now in healthcare)

[Mac Howard]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

Sorta interesting... I'm listening (not watching) and while I find Obama more eloquent, I don't sense the sort of meltdown that many of you seem to. McCain is stammering a bit, but in the audio I'm not sensing a collapse here.

No, it's not as bad as they say. It's just that he looks so very uncomfortable, he grimaces, smirks - just generally looks up tight and sometimes angry.

He's simply not telegenic

[DaddyTorgo]

wow - Obama just destroyed McCain's attempt at attacking him on healthcare too - pointing out the small business exemption on healthcare fines and mccain went "zero? zero?" *shock and awe*

[lordscarlet]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

I have first hand experience with two heads of local counties that are currently dealing with the ACORN fraud investigation due to personal relationships. In Jackson County, MO (which includes KC), they tossed out roughly 10,000 ACORN applications. That's not anywhere close to 1% of the total number submitted.

In Clay County, MO (northern subarbs of KC), they threw out 50 ACORN applications this morning alone. All 50 were convicted felons who had been submitted. I submit that is not even close to 1% of the registrations reviewed.

I'll agree with you that all places may not be like this. The urban areas of battleground states may see a much larger frequency than other places. But the numbers in KC and STL aren't close to 1%.

I'd love to know what percentage they are. You're citing unconfirmed numbers and presuming percentages without knowing the number of applications. This information is anecdotal at best. You are slamming an organization that attempts to raise voter participation in the United States without any true facts or sources. Cite a reputable source, particularly if it claims ACORN is not marking obvious fraudulent applications or that it is intentionally submitting fraudulent applications. Until then, we don't want to hear it anymore.

Originally Posted by CamEdwards

I had to respond to Butter's post... I thought I remembered saying something similar a while ago.



Looks like I was about six weeks ahead of you in wondering about some violence occuring in the scenario you painted.

People talk about the Bradley effect, but I wonder what you call it when some people feel pressured (to one extent or another) to vote against their preferred wishes because they fear a violent recrimination if their side were to prevail. I mean, it's not like we've had even a hint of threats, as far as I know, but still... folks on the left and right are asking about it, which means folks on the left and right are considering the possibility.

What a weird damn election.

The only people I have seen threaten violence are the Republicans attending Palin rallies.

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

WE CANNOT OFFSHORE DRILL NOW YOU LYING FUCK!!!!!

I COVERED THAT IN THE LAST FUCKING DEBATE!!!!

I guess McCain didn't read your retort. Perhaps you should type louder.

[SirFozzie]

In gamerspeak that's Zero. GG YL. NR HAND. (zero. Good game, you lose. No Rematch. Have a Nice Day)

[GrantDawg]

Tell them about this Obama. That health care plan is just a night-mare.

[Young Drachma]

I don't think it's a meltdown, but it's not coherent on either side really. But that's been par for the course in these debates.

[Jas_lov]

McCain is doing nothing to close the gap. If anything, he's making it bigger. At least he has Joe the plumber's vote in the bag.

[Young Drachma]

I resent this bullshit about gold-plated medical plans. I can't believe that his people are retreading that stupid Bush line from the SOTU about "gold-plated medical plans." I'm all for pay raises if folks don't have to get health insurance they don't use, but don't make it sound like folks are overinsurance en masse, because it's just not true.

Almost bugs me as much as the term "ordinary Americans."

[Tigercat]

I don't think McCain is looking as bad as he is being potrayed here, but a lot of his physical reactions are just not flattering to a Presidential candidate.

[Swaggs]

They should have put a camera and one of those dials on Joe the Plumber.

[SirFozzie]

I mostly agree with this post from Nate Silver at FiveThirty Eight. Sorry I've been so quiet. I thought McCain was winning this debate 20 minutes in. But the second time that McCain brought up Lewis still feels like the turning point in the debate to me. From there forward, he's pretty much played into all of his worst stereotypes.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by Tigercat

I don't think McCain is looking as bad as he is being potrayed here, but a lot of his physical reactions are just not flattering to a Presidential candidate.

I just think he looks like he is having a tough time containing himself when Obama talks. He behaved similarly during one of the Republican debates whenever Mitt Romney spoke.