Obama versus McCain (versus the rest)

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Again, MBBF, it's intellectually dishonest to look at this and say that the only reason why the other side is winning is because your side screwed up constantly.

And I couldn't disagree more. This election, more than any previous elections, was a situation where the winner would be the candidate who screwed up the least. I don't think there's any question that has been Obama up to this point. That's not a slight to him in any way. He did something that a veteran senator failed to do. If status quo remains intact, he'll likely win the election.

[SirFozzie]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Any conservative who posts in this thread not knowing they're highly outnumbered is a fool. I'm OK with that. Laughing is good for your health. Just remember me when you live to a ripe, old age.

*chuckles* That's good.

I was going to joke between Sony, McCain, and the Rams that it seems to me that you're angling to replace St Jude as the patron saint of lost causes

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Yeah, MBBF seems to be conveniently forgetting that by LAW, that ACORN is REQUIRED to submit all voter registration forms. All they legally CAN do is flag possible fraudulent registrations for quick review

Exactly, and in many cases they didn't flag that obvious fraud. The argument 'Well, we HAD to submit them' is a very weak argument. They knew exactly what was happening. The convictions in 2006 should have been an awakening for ACORN in regard to fraudulent registrations. Evidently, it wasn't because we're seeing more of it, not less.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

*chuckles* That's good.

I was going to joke between Sony, McCain, and the Rams that it seems to me that you're angling to replace St Jude as the patron saint of lost causes

For the love of God, would you and Barack get it right? This is KC, not St. Louis! At least identify the correct lost cause! It's the Chiefs!

[SirFozzie]

Oops! Mah bad, dawg.

Wait.. That wouldn't make you a fan of the Royals would it?

MORE PROOF!

[Big Fo]

Republican National Committee halting ads in Wisconsin, Maine; focusing on red states

WASHINGTON — The Republican National Committee is halting presidential ads in Wisconsin and Maine, turning its attention primarily to usually Republican states where GOP nominee John McCain shows signs of faltering.
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The party's independent ad operation is doubling its budget to about $10 million and focusing on crucial states such as Colorado, Missouri, Indiana and Virginia where Democrat Barack Obama has established a foothold, according a Republican strategist familiar with presidential ad placements.

Florida and North Carolina have also been in the RNC ad mix, but Pennsylvania is the only Democratic leaning swing state apparently left in the party's ad campaign.

....

It seems like the RNC finds the election polls to be fairly accurate based on the way they've abandoned WI and MI in the past week or two. Hopefully they keep pumping money into PA since that state turning red is about as likely as Wisconsin at this point.

Meanwhile (as mentioned either a few pages back in here or in a separate thread) the Obama campaign has so much money to burn that they've begun to advertise in video games.

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

I'm sure this will lead to charges that the Democratic Party is "buying" the 2008 election. Joe Scarborough apparently made that charge today on "Morning Joe" on MSNBC.

I'm getting pretty tired of all these right-wing talking heads in the mainstream media.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Oops! Mah bad, dawg.

Wait.. That wouldn't make you a fan of the Royals would it?

MORE PROOF!

I'm pretty sure that the Denkinger curse lives on. We'll pay for that for a long time, but at least we won it all in 1985!

[fantom1979]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

So, let's take the Pennsylvania numbers, which have never had a Democratic turnout greater than 43% in the last 50 years.

Where did you get this 43% from?

Pennsylvania had a 64.5% voter turnout in 2004 and 51% of all votes went to democrat John Kerry. I would find it difficult to believe that Kerry pulled 51% of the votes while the Dems only had a (at most) 43% turnout.

US Census Press Releases
2004 State by State Results

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Exactly, and in many cases they didn't flag that obvious fraud. The argument 'Well, we HAD to submit them' is a very weak argument. They knew exactly what was happening. The convictions in 2006 should have been an awakening for ACORN in regard to fraudulent registrations. Evidently, it wasn't because we're seeing more of it, not less.

Actually, no one is even talking about whether they flagged them or not. I haven't seen one reporter question it. All I've heard are that are people saying fraudulent registrations were received. Don't you agree that if ACORN is required to submit all registrations, then the scary "OMG Mickey Mouse and Tony Romo are gonna vote!" is nonsense and instead we should be talking about 1) whether or not these applications had been flagged, 2) whether or not ACORN officials encouraged fraudulent applications, and 3) whether the amount of fraudulent applications that were not flagged is a high enough percentage to call negligence.

None of these questions have been asked. The mickey Mouse and Tony Romo stuff make for good headlines, but they do absolutely nothing to get at the root of the problem.

[Fidatelo]

I think we need to remember to add the Kansas City Penguins to MBBF's list of lost causes.

[SirFozzie]

All in favor of asking the Dog to give MBBF the custom user title "St Jude" or "patron saint of lost causes"?

Although, now that I think about it, just imagine if McCain somehow does comeback and win? I hear enviromentalists are praying that won't happen, because the amount of crow that MBBF would be serving up to all of us to eat would put the proud race at the verge of extinction.....

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by fantom1979

Where did you get this 43% from?

Pennsylvania had a 64.5% voter turnout in 2004 and 51% of all votes went to democrat John Kerry. I would find it difficult to believe that Kerry pulled 51% of the votes while the Dems only had a (at most) 43% turnout.

US Census Press Releases
2004 State by State Results

That's correct. 43% of voters were registered Democrats. The independent voters pushed the rest of the vote with some Republican defections I assume. The numbers were in the post I put up.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Actually, no one is even talking about whether they flagged them or not. I haven't seen one reporter question it. All I've heard are that are people saying fraudulent registrations were received. Don't you agree that if ACORN is required to submit all registrations, then the scary "OMG Mickey Mouse and Tony Romo are gonna vote!" is nonsense and instead we should be talking about 1) whether or not these applications had been flagged, 2) whether or not ACORN officials encouraged fraudulent applications, and 3) whether the amount of fraudulent applications that were not flagged is a high enough percentage to call negligence.

None of these questions have been asked. The mickey Mouse and Tony Romo stuff make for good headlines, but they do absolutely nothing to get at the root of the problem.

I agree with everything you said.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

All in favor of asking the Dog to give MBBF the custom user title "St Jude" or "patron saint of lost causes"?

Although, now that I think about it, just imagine if McCain somehow does comeback and win? I hear enviromentalists are praying that won't happen, because the amount of crow that MBBF would be serving up to all of us to eat would put the proud race at the verge of extinction.....

I'm pretty sure I'll be on the wrong side in the end. I wouldn't sweat it.

[JPhillips]

Most of the ACORN stuff is baloney, but it does seem obvious that paying by the number of registrations is not a good idea.

[larrymcg421]

I'm already prepared for...

Virginia

McCain 49.9
Obama 49.8

North Carolina

McCain 50.3
Obama 48.8

Ohio

McCain 49.3
Obama 48.9

Missouri

McCain 50.8
Obama 47.1

Colorado

McCain 49.5
Obama 49.1

Nevada

McCain 48.8
Obama 47.6

Florida

McCain 49.4
Obama 49.3

Recounts!

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Most of the ACORN stuff is baloney, but it does seem obvious that paying by the number of registrations is not a good idea.

Actually, ACORN doesn't pay by number of registrations. That's one of the defenses they make. They say that officials don't get anything extra for sending in extra applications, so the motivation to do so is lacking.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

All in favor of asking the Dog to give MBBF the custom user title "St Jude" or "patron saint of lost causes"?

Doesn't he already have that by calling himself "Mizzou B-ball fan"

SI

[Butter]

Talking more about the polls and piggybacking off of larrymcg's post... if the current polls hold up, AND Obama still loses... does anyone think there will be problems? And by problems, I mean major social unrest?

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Actually, ACORN doesn't pay by number of registrations. That's one of the defenses they make. They say that officials don't get anything extra for sending in extra applications, so the motivation to do so is lacking.

Interesting. I've seen it reported numerous times that they do pay per registrant. Regardless, the confluence between registration fraud and voting fraud just isn't that great. If ACORN did something wrong they should be punished, but bad registrations doesn't mean there will be widescale voter fraud.

[SirFozzie]

The irony is so delicious, it may need to be called ambrosia:

McCain campaign protests YouTube's DMCA policy | Politics and Law - CNET News

McCain's campaign slams YouTube over their DMCA policy, saying that their McCain campaign videos are covered by fair use and that YouTube should have ignored DMCA takedown complaints from CBS and Fox.

[stevew]

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

Talking more about the polls and piggybacking off of larrymcg's post... if the current polls hold up, AND Obama still loses... does anyone think there will be problems? And by problems, I mean major social unrest?

Oh, certainly. I would hope the national guard is ready, cause it might be bad.

[CamEdwards]

I had to respond to Butter's post... I thought I remembered saying something similar a while ago.

Originally Posted by CamEdwards

Lotta anger in this thread. Mind if I pose a question to both sides? If, on Election Day, your candidate loses in a close race, what will your reaction be? I just got back from the convention in St. Paul and was talking with a left-leaning blogger about this, and what was interesting to me is that we both predicted some violence if Obama loses in a close election.

Also, I'm curious to know how many folks participating in this thread are A) actively volunteering for their candidate of choice and B) have donated money to their campaign. Maybe I'll start a poll on that one.

Looks like I was about six weeks ahead of you in wondering about some violence occuring in the scenario you painted.

People talk about the Bradley effect, but I wonder what you call it when some people feel pressured (to one extent or another) to vote against their preferred wishes because they fear a violent recrimination if their side were to prevail. I mean, it's not like we've had even a hint of threats, as far as I know, but still... folks on the left and right are asking about it, which means folks on the left and right are considering the possibility.

What a weird damn election.

[mauchow]

McCain pulls out advertising in Wisconsin now.. and another state I can't recall.

[mauchow]

Is this election going to be a close one? I think not at this rate. Tonight, McCain must show somethin... I don't know what, but somethin.

[larrymcg421]

Obama shifting resources from Michigan (thanks to McCain's concession there) to Indiana and North Carolina.

[Radii]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Obama shifting resources from Michigan (thanks to McCain's concession there) to Indiana and North Carolina.

ugh, more? There's certainly no shortage of political ads here to fill :P

[Butter]

Originally Posted by CamEdwards

Looks like I was about six weeks ahead of you in wondering about some violence occuring in the scenario you painted.

People talk about the Bradley effect, but I wonder what you call it when some people feel pressured (to one extent or another) to vote against their preferred wishes because they fear a violent recrimination if their side were to prevail. I mean, it's not like we've had even a hint of threats, as far as I know, but still... folks on the left and right are asking about it, which means folks on the left and right are considering the possibility.

What a weird damn election.

I don't know if people would feel pressured, but the thought has crossed my mind that if Obama is leading by a fair margin (say 8 points), but then somehow proceeds to lose all of the swing states by less than 1 percent and loses the electoral college... that it could be ugly. Not just because of unrest from blacks, but serious questions about the validity of the vote could arise... it could be legitimately scary. I don't think that will happen, but it could.

[sterlingice]

Woo! It's debate tim---

(ok, I can't even get through typing that...)

SI

[SirFozzie]

Major League Baseball has agreed to a request from Fox to delay the start time of Game 6 of the World Series (if a Game 6 is necessary) so the network can air the 30-minute Obama spot, a Fox spokesman confirms to CNN. The Illinois senator has also bought similar time on CBS and NBC, set to begin at 8 p.m.

Ooof. Backfire.. so everyone can blame Obama if a clinching world series game goest past midnight?

[Noop]

My roommate just took three shots, he takes one every time McCain says angry.

[SirFozzie]

Noop: I assume you have the local hospital on standby in case of alcohol poisoning?

[SirFozzie]

McCain still going with the $300B Mortgage Bailout. I'm surprised, I thought he'd let it die a quiet death

[Noop]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Noop: I assume you have the local hospital on standby in case of alcohol poisoning?

I might be smashed if I get maverick or anything that references to him being a difference maker.

[SirFozzie]

Yeah.. if that McCain Response was a song, it'd be Ramble On...

[Noop]

McCain needs to get his teeth whiten.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by Noop

My roommate just took three shots, he takes one every time McCain says angry.

We need updates on your rooomy. This should provide more entertainment than the debate.

[Greyroofoo]

Joe must be one hell of a plumber!

[sterlingice]

They've had this question in both previous debates and they never answered it then. Why ask it again?!?

SI

[sterlingice]

Oh, and Joe Plumber just got a better media buy than if he had a Super Bowl ad and it was free... *sigh*

SI

[DaddyTorgo]

McCain: "During the Depression" (when i was the only one in this room alive)..."blah blah"

[sterlingice]

McCain, don't go with The Depression Era anecdotes. Everyone in their mind is thinking "and you would know since you were there"

EDIT: DT already went there...

SI

[SirFozzie]

You know, it's one thing to joke about how he's the only person in this room who lived through the Great Depression amongst friends. It's not exactly the best way to get the confidence of the nation to become president.

[DaddyTorgo]

6.8 billion dollars McCain? That's nothing

[larrymcg421]

The planetarium crack didn't work last time. Why is he bringing it up again?

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

The planetarium crack didn't work last time. Why is he bringing it up again?

he probably forgot he's used it before

[sterlingice]

That was a nice comeback by McCain about Bush.

SI

[SirFozzie]

Listen. If he thinks he can balance the budget and pay for Afghanistan/Iraq/etcetera in four years, he needs to go to Vegas, because that's fucking magic.

[Noop]

Obama with the nice comeback.

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

That was a nice comeback by McCain about Bush.

SI

Yeah, I used a similar line when I argued for McCain earlier in the thread.