2008-09 College Bowls/Postseason thread

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by MylesKnight

I would think Utah would love a shot at Urban Meyer and the Gators.

I'm sure they would ... right up until reality hit 'em.

[Young Drachma]

Yeah, Tebow seems to be a stand up guy. I get tired of hearing about him, too. But rather him being a good kid who loves G-d versus say, a drug swilling football star who everyone lets screw up because he's gonna be playing on Sunday.

[Eaglesfan27]

Yeah, it's hard not to admire what Tebow has done with his life and how he appears to conduct himself.

[cmp]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

I'd like to hate Tebow, him being a Gator & all, but by pretty much every account he's just a good kid when you get right down to it.

Oh I'm sure he is a great kid, just getting extremely sick of hearing about it.

[Eaglesfan27]

Poor ref.

[Dr. Sak]

Welp Oklahoma has not lost more BCS title games than tOSU.

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Poor ref.

That's why I am never an umpire when I ref.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by MylesKnight

I would think Utah would love a shot at Urban Meyer and the Gators.

FWIW, my final poll..

1a. USC
1b. Utah
3. Florida
4. Texas
5. Oklahoma

So, Who's #1? (NCAA Football) - Front Office Football Central

SI

[MylesKnight]

Come on Jon, Utah handled 'Bama just as soundly as Florida did, which is the only common thread we really have to look at.

To say Florida would run right past Utah is a bit silly, imho.

[Young Drachma]

I don't really tire of the Gatorade bath. It's a nice way to cap off a big win.

That said, I'm sure someone is gonna ask Urban what he thinks of his former team.

[SirFozzie]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

I'm sure they would ... right up until reality hit 'em.

Funny Jon. Bama hit em. They just hit back harder.

[ISiddiqui]

VERY good, close game, but Florida was the better.

Congrats Florida, you deserve this National Championship!

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by MylesKnight

Come on Jon, Utah handled 'Bama just as soundly as Florida did, which is the only common thread we really have to look at.

To say Florida would run right past Utah is a bit silly, imho.

Wait a minute here...werent you the one that said we can't look at common opponents?? You pointed out the Oregon State thing with Penn State & USC.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by MylesKnight

Come on Jon, Utah handled 'Bama just as soundly as Florida did, which is the only common thread we really have to look at.

To say Florida would run right past Utah is a bit silly, imho.

And both Florida and Texas beat OU by 10.

[Tigercat]

Why should USC be ahead of teams like Florida or even Texas when they have had a lesser season overall?

Shouldn't the team that anyone thinks is the best in the nation not be the most talented team but the one with the best season?

[Noop]

Florida would dominate Utah. Alabama didn't have the offensive fire power to keep up with Utah.

[MylesKnight]

Goofy thing is I would think some OU faithful will be ripping Stoops and his staff quite a bit after losing another BCS Game.

What is his overall record in Norman? They have a consistent Top 5 (or so) Program, but all that will be focused on is the Bowl losses the past few years.

Tough crowd.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Funny Jon. Bama hit em. They just hit back harder.

{shrug} Bama was a team with weakness that was clear throughout the season, they overachieved for as long as possible before hitting the wall down the stretch.

Not only do I see nothing to indicate that Utah would stay on the field with Florida or USC, I'm not at all convinced they'd be within two touchdowns of OU or UT either.

[Cuckoo]

Originally Posted by Cuckoo

Good performance by the OU defense so far, getting turnovers as they have all season and shutting down the run. The offense has moved the ball pretty well, but man I hope those failures inside the 10 don't come back to haunt them. OU has been incredible this season scoring in the red zone. They're not used to being stopped down there.

I just knew missed opportunities were going to hurt. 17 possible points lost by OU, and that was the difference. Good game by Florida. They do indeed have a stout defense. That with a ball control offense (boy they did well on 3rd downs) kept OU from getting going consistently.

They just never get any easier. I know every program in the country would kill to go to the Championship game 4 times in 9 years, but the losses still eat at you.

[Noop]

Originally Posted by MylesKnight

Goofy thing is I would think some OU faithful will be ripping Stoops and his staff quite a bit after losing another BCS Game.

What is his overall record in Norman? They have a consistent Top 5 (or so) Program, but all that will be focused on is the Bowl losses the past few years.

Tough crowd.

Stoops is a good coach and Oklahoma would be hard pressed to find a coach who would bring them that level of success.

[MylesKnight]

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

Wait a minute here...werent you the one that said we can't look at common opponents?? You pointed out the Oregon State thing with Penn State & USC.

Good point, although the PSU/USC contrast against Oregon State ended up looking real silly at the end of the day didn't it. I'll leave it at this, Utah could compete with Florida, and compete well, IMHO.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by MylesKnight

Goofy thing is I would think some OU faithful will be ripping Stoops and his staff quite a bit after losing another BCS Game.

What is his overall record in Norman? They have a consistent Top 5 (or so) Program, but all that will be focused on is the Bowl losses the past few years.

Tough crowd.

We'll take him in Lawrence

SI

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

{shrug} Bama was a team with weakness that was clear throughout the season, they overachieved for as long as possible before hitting the wall down the stretch.

Not only do I see nothing to indicate that Utah would stay on the field with Florida or USC, I'm not at all convinced they'd be within two touchdowns of OU or UT either.

Exactly. I thought Alabama was overrated all season long. They struggled against a lot of teams. I think Florida is magnitudes better, but they didn't even have an 80% Harvin for that.

[Dr. Sak]

Fun Fact...Oklahoma and Texas were held by Florida and Ohio State to their lowest point totals of the year. Kinda supports the fact that the defenses in the Big 12 were lacking eh?

Edit: Forgot to add the powerful Missouri offense not looking so hot against Northwestern

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

Fun Fact...Oklahoma and Texas were held by Florida and Ohio State to their lowest point totals of the year. Kinda supports the fact that the defenses in the Big 12 were lacking eh?

Absolutely.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Exactly. I thought Alabama was overrated all season long. They struggled against a lot of teams.

Although I don't recall there being any Bama people here to take offense, I think we're just being realistic. They were handicapped at QB and they didn't have the experience yet to be championship team, but I don't mean to take anything away from them as there should be some good days ahead for them.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

Fun Fact...Oklahoma and Texas were held by Florida and Ohio State to their lowest point totals of the year. Kinda supports the fact that the defenses in the Big 12 were lacking eh?

Or a sign that a 30+ day layoff negatively affects offenses in the late bowl games.

[MylesKnight]

And what was propped up as the mighty Big 12 South, with at one time four of its schools sitting in the Top 10 at once, finished up the Bowl Season at 1-3 (and it was darn near 0 for 4).

[Young Drachma]

I think Florida's defensive coordinator has earned a head coaching job.

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by cartman

Or a sign that a 30+ day layoff negatively affects offenses in the late bowl games.

USC's offense had just as long of a layoff, but they managed to put up 31 in a half.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

Fun Fact...Oklahoma and Texas were held by Florida and Ohio State to their lowest point totals of the year. Kinda supports the fact that the defenses in the Big 12 were lacking eh?

Or it could be that Ohio State and Florida were the two highest ranked teams they played (aside from each Texas playing OU)? And maybe better teams play better defense?

Great, so you've proven that putting up 60 on Texas A&M is a lot easier than putting it on Florida... which we already knew.

SI

[Grammaticus]

Well, I would have given player of the game to Harvin. He was the impact player.

[Noop]

Also add that their opponents had a month to prepare for them.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

Well, I would have given player of the game to Harvin. He was the impact player.

+1

I don't really understand what he's expected to do in the NFL, but he was awesome tonight.

[MylesKnight]

Well that's it for College Football for a while... But it's only a couple of months until what is the greatest postseason event of any sport out there, the NCAA Hoops Tourney.

[Eaglesfan27]

+2. Very impressive performance from Harvin. I'm looking forward to seeing him in the NFL.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

USC's offense had just as long of a layoff, but they managed to put up 31 in a half.

And if you look at the teams that have played after a 30+ day layoff the past few seasons, that is the exception rather than the rule.

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Or it could be that Ohio State and Florida were the two highest ranked teams they played (aside from each Texas playing OU)? And maybe better teams play better defense?

Great, so you've proven that putting up 60 on Texas A&M is a lot easier than putting it on Florida... which we already knew.

SI

Oklahoma's next lowest point total was 35 against Texas...a whole 21 points more than what they scored today. Texas not Texas A&M.

Texas' low points came against Oklahoma State & Texas Tech, two teams which Oregon and Ole Miss dropped 40 points on.

[Galaxy]

Do you guys feel that the 25-30 days take away from the post-season?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

USC's offense had just as long of a layoff, but they managed to put up 31 in a half.

Certainly didn't hurt LSU any.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Galaxy

Do you guys feel that the 25-30 days take away from the post-season?

Some, although I understand some of the practical realities of it too.

The big drag on the post season for me is turning what should be a couple of days at the most for the major games into a ten day affair.

[duckman]

That was a hell of a good game. Sorry to see the Sooners lose, but the Gators earned it.

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by cartman

And if you look at the teams that have played after a 30+ day layoff the past few seasons, that is the exception rather than the rule.

USC put up 55 a few years ago. Their offense seems to handle the layoff well most years.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

USC put up 55 a few years ago. Their offense seems to handle the layoff well most years.

And when they played Texas, both teams offenses struggled in the first half, before catching fire in the second half.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

Oklahoma's next lowest point total was 35 against Texas...a whole 21 points more than what they scored today. Texas not Texas A&M.

Texas' low points came against Oklahoma State & Texas Tech, two teams which Oregon and Ole Miss dropped 40 points on.

Haven't we already decided that the transitive property isn't very good, particularly in college football with such a limited sample size? Is Chattanooga better than Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, and Mizzou because OU scored less against them?

Or do we just go back to My Team Is Better Than Your Team - The Transitive Property of College Football and point out:

Div I - FBS

Florida

beat

Oklahoma

24 - 14

Therefore, Florida is better than Oklahoma
as shown in 1 rounds by a combined score of 24 - 14.

Div I - FBS	Oklahoma	beat	Nebraska	62 - 28
Div I - FBS	Nebraska	beat	Clemson	26 - 21
Div I - FBS	Clemson	beat	South Carolina	31 - 14
Div I - FBS	South Carolina	beat	Mississippi	31 - 24
Div I - FBS	Mississippi	beat	Florida	31 - 30

Therefore, Oklahoma is better than Florida
as shown in 5 rounds by a combined score of 181 - 117.

(and there's always...)

Div I - FBS	Utah	beat	Alabama	31 - 17
Div I - FBS	Alabama	beat	Mississippi	24 - 20
Div I - FBS	Mississippi	beat	Florida	31 - 30

Therefore, Utah is better than Florida
as shown in 3 rounds by a combined score of 86 - 67.


Sorry, I can't show that Florida is better than Utah.

SI

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Although I don't recall there being any Bama people here to take offense, I think we're just being realistic. They were handicapped at QB and they didn't have the experience yet to be championship team, but I don't mean to take anything away from them as there should be some good days ahead for them.

Oh, I agree. John Parker Wilson is a decent field general, but he's not a QB of a national championship contending side. And they just started to get the quality of playmaker that a team like Florida and Oklahoma (for examples) had with Julio.

[Butter]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Some, although I understand some of the practical realities of it too.

The big drag on the post season for me is turning what should be a couple of days at the most for the major games into a ten day affair.

Yes.

This whole championship game on the 8th crap is just way too long a layoff. I would've cared a lot if the game was on the 2nd. But by the 8th... well, let's just say I fell asleep during the game last night.

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Haven't we already decided that the transitive property isn't very good, particularly in college football with such a limited sample size? Is Chattanooga better than Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, and Mizzou because OU scored less against them?

SI

The entire year all we heard was how great the Big 12 offenses were, and when the notion was brought up that maybe no one in the conference had anyone with a decent defense, all the Big 12 people quickly dismissed that.

All I am point out is that maybe it is true, and I believe it is true. Not only looking at the scores of those games but also don't you think teams that play against each other every year would have a better gameplan to stop an opponent rather than a random SEC or Pac 10 team?

You can dismiss the transitive property but you can't dismiss that the Big 12, south particularly, did not fair well in bowls. And when you look at the wins for the Big 12 (Northwestern, Minnesota, and Ohio State), only Ohio State looks any good. And when you consider the fact that Texas was suppose to blow them out by all accounts, and needed a last minute touchdown...maybe the Big 12 wasn't all it was built up to be.

[ISiddiqui]

^

What he said.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

The entire year all we heard was how great the Big 12 offenses were, and when the notion was brought up that maybe no one in the conference had anyone with a decent defense, all the Big 12 people quickly dismissed that.

All I am point out is that maybe it is true, and I believe it is true. Not only looking at the scores of those games but also don't you think teams that play against each other every year would have a better gameplan to stop an opponent rather than a random SEC or Pac 10 team?

You can dismiss the transitive property but you can't dismiss that the Big 12, south particularly, did not fair well in bowls. And when you look at the wins for the Big 12 (Northwestern, Minnesota, and Ohio State), only Ohio State looks any good. And when you consider the fact that Texas was suppose to blow them out by all accounts, and needed a last minute touchdown...maybe the Big 12 wasn't all it was built up to be.

You are making two opposing points. On one hand, you are saying that this proved the Big 12 teams had no defense, so they weren't all they were cracked up to be. But Texas and Oklahoma gave up 21 and 24 points respectively, which by most accounts is a solid defensive effort. And the line for the Texas-Ohio State game was 7 at kickoff, and a touchdown is hardly a blowout.