WW LXVII -- The Return of Divination Nation! (GAME OVER STUDENTS WIN!!!) - Page 15

Lathum · 02-19-2008, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Can somebody post the scan results for last night?

I am working on that right now, I am waiting for you

ntndeacon · 02-19-2008, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Pass how did you deduce that CR and Mr. W and neither teacher's pet or class clown?

CR gave exactly opposite scans of Lathum. don't know about Mr. Wed.

SnDvls · 02-19-2008, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ntndeacon

CR gave exactly opposite scans of Lathum. don't know about Mr. Wed.

Don't know if I should really be saying this out loud, but here goes.
So should we as students be trying on our own to figure out if we are the teacher's pet/class clown too by doing additional scans on someone we already scanned to see if we get the same result.

I'll drop this line of thinking out loud if it's determined not a good idea.

Barkeep49 · 02-19-2008, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SnDvls

Don't know if I should really be saying this out loud, but here goes.
So should we as students be trying on our own to figure out if we are the teacher's pet/class clown too by doing additional scans on someone we already scanned to see if we get the same result.

I'll drop this line of thinking out loud if it's determined not a good idea.

I think the idea of duplicate scanning is a way, without killing people, of starting to figure out our accuracy rate.

Passacaglia · 02-19-2008, 01:39 PM

Here you go:

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Number Name Night 1
3 Barkeep49 Lathum
19 Bsak16 Chief Rum
5 Chief Rum Lathum
1 claphamsa Lathum
9 Dodgerchick Barkeep49
20 Greyroofoo X
7 jeheinz72 X
2 Lathum Dodgerchick
6 mauboy1 X
16 MikeVic claphamsa
21 Mr. Wednesday Passacaglia
11 nfg22 claphamsa
10 ntndeacon Lathum
12 oliegirl Chief Rum
8 Passacaglia RendeR
18 Pumpy Tudors nfg22
4 RendeR Lathum
13 saldana Barkeep49
17 SnDvls Barkeep49
14 st.cronin
15 The Jackal Barkeep49

ntndeacon · 02-19-2008, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SnDvls

Don't know if I should really be saying this out loud, but here goes.
So should we as students be trying on our own to figure out if we are the teacher's pet/class clown too by doing additional scans on someone we already scanned to see if we get the same result.

I'll drop this line of thinking out loud if it's determined not a good idea.

it isn't a bad idea, but we will have no data at all on a fair many members, me included. And I have a strange feeling you won't just take my word that I am on the side of right.

st.cronin · 02-19-2008, 01:40 PM

The teacher's pet knows who he is, I think. I think the fool thinks he's the teacher's pet.

Ok, I scanned Passacaglia, and he scanned as a wolf. I don't necessarily buy that scan, but putting it out there. I do not advocate lynching anybody who scanned as a wolf last night. I'll stick with my d1 vote, no real reason, and don't see a compelling case for anybody else:

VOTE RENDER

SnDvls · 02-19-2008, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ntndeacon

it isn't a bad idea, but we will have no data at all on a fair many members, me included. And I have a strange feeling you won't just take my word that I am on the side of right.

I guess there would be someone or someones also in their own way verifying others. With so many players it might just be too hard to do that though.

st.cronin · 02-19-2008, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Here you go:

I was looking for a list that showed the results of the scan, too.

Lathum · 02-19-2008, 01:43 PM

Name Night 1

claphamsa- Lathum- Student
Barkeep49- Lathum- Student
RendeR- Lathum- Wolf
Chief Rum- Lathum- Wolf
ntndeacon- Lathum- wolf

The Jackal- Barkeep49- Student
saldana- Barkeep49- Student
Dodgerchick- Barkeep49- Student
SnDvls- Barkeep- Student

nfg22- claphamsa- Student
MikeVic- Clap - Wolf

Bsak16- Chief Rum- Student
oliegirl- ChiefRum- Student

st.cronin Passacaglia Wolf
Mr. Wednesday- Passacaglia- Wolf

Pumpy Tudors- nfg22- Wolf

Lathum- Dodgerchick- Wolf

Passacaglia- RendeR- Student

mauboy1- X
jeheinz72- X

SnDvls · 02-19-2008, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

The basics of this game are very simple.

Each student is an imperfect seer. They will each have a different rate of accuracy (success) on scans (from 0% to 100%), based on the total of 5d20 (five rolls of a 20 side die). They will not know their accuracy rate. One student (the Teacher's Pet) will have a 100% accuracy. One student (the Class Clown) will have a 0% accuracy.

St. C - the rules seem to state differently. At least how I interperit them.

I didn't play in the 1st incarnation of this game (or if I did I was killed so quickly I don't remember it) so what was the situation in that one?

Lathum · 02-19-2008, 01:45 PM

OK, above is the list of everyone who was scanned and also the results.

I think it is safe to assume BK is not a wolf.

Passacaglia · 02-19-2008, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

I was looking for a list that showed the results of the scan, too.

Sorry about that. On my spreadsheet, the scan results are in color, and that didn't flow through to here.

st.cronin · 02-19-2008, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

You are correct on the percentages. The teacher's pet will know their role, the class clown will not.

SnDvls: What do you make of this post?

Dr. Sak · 02-19-2008, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I think it is safe to assume BK is not a wolf.

If everyone in that list is not a wolf. If two people scanning him are wolves...and collaborated with him to say he is a student then we have an issue.

Passacaglia · 02-19-2008, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

OK, above is the list of everyone who was scanned and also the results.

I think it is safe to assume BK is not a wolf.

I don't see how that assumption could be made. Isn't it almost as likely that all those scans are wrong?

st.cronin · 02-19-2008, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

OK, above is the list of everyone who was scanned and also the results.

I think it is safe to assume BK is not a wolf.

Totally disagree with this assumption.

Lathum · 02-19-2008, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bsak16

If everyone in that list is not a wolf. If two people scanning him are wolves...and collaborated with him to say he is a student then we have an issue.

that would leave a huge trail and why the risk? a positive scan won't really hust you.

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I don't see how that assumption could be made. Isn't it almost as likely that all those scans are wrong?

It is pretty improbable, but not impossible that all 4 scans are wrong.

SnDvls · 02-19-2008, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

SnDvls: What do you make of this post?

hmmm...guess I missed that one.

SnDvls · 02-19-2008, 01:57 PM

dola - that could have changed too as the rules were edited on 2-15-08 and the post was from 2-12-08

Path - can you clarify this for us thanks

Barkeep49 · 02-19-2008, 01:57 PM

Lathum: Why isn't it just as likely that all the scans on me are wrong as right? I happen to know they're all right, but then again I know my role. How do you reach your conclusion?

The Jackal · 02-19-2008, 01:58 PM

Hmm, this is tough. I really don't feel compelled to vote for Lathum, but he might be the best chance we've got to get info from a death if he's not a wolf.

Dr. Sak · 02-19-2008, 02:01 PM

Killing a villager...especially one that could be informative like Lathum would be a mistake. Any villager lynch is a bad one!

Lathum · 02-19-2008, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Lathum: Why isn't it just as likely that all the scans on me are wrong as right? I happen to know they're all right, but then again I know my role. How do you reach your conclusion?

I don't think they are all right but I think the odds are you are a student

Lathum · 02-19-2008, 02:03 PM

VOTE DODGERCHICK

now that all the scans are in I feel comfortable casting this vote.

st.cronin · 02-19-2008, 02:05 PM

What is the argument against Dodgerchick?

RendeR · 02-19-2008, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

What is the argument against Dodgerchick?

Yeah, I wasn't really understanding this either, I see a few people with scans that say wolf, I'm wondering why DC is getting so much attention when only 1 of them is hers?

RendeR · 02-19-2008, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

The teacher's pet knows who he is, I think. I think the fool thinks he's the teacher's pet.

Ok, I scanned Passacaglia, and he scanned as a wolf. I don't necessarily buy that scan, but putting it out there. I do not advocate lynching anybody who scanned as a wolf last night. I'll stick with my d1 vote, no real reason, and don't see a compelling case for anybody else:

VOTE RENDER

DOH! I just saw this, bastard!

st.cronin · 02-19-2008, 02:21 PM

I just noticed, pass has 2 scans for wolf, 1 for villager. That's a worse rate than Lathum.

mauchow · 02-19-2008, 02:29 PM

I'm at work now, but like I said, I should have access, which I do, so if I see something I'll change if needed.

Lathum · 02-19-2008, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

What is the argument against Dodgerchick?

I laid out my reasons here. Plus after this she started acting, oddly.

Plus I scanned her as a wolf.

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...&postcount=593

st.cronin · 02-19-2008, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

10:23, DC casts a very early vote. Suspicios move IMO since there is still a ton of information yet to be revealed out there.

I disagree that an early vote is suspicious.

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Originally Posted by Lathum

10:39- Pumpy jumps on board

Ok, but this is a reason for voting for PUMPY.

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Originally Posted by Lathum

DC argues for a day one lynch when clearly it is a poor move considering this ruleset.

I think this is questionable.

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Calls day 2 a crapshoot when again, it is obvious there is far more information out there this game then usual.

Day 2 is a crapshoot if there's no lynch day 1. I agree with her reasoning here.

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Originally Posted by Lathum

stays with heinze, pretty easy move to vote for the guy we know won't be here.

Its as easy a move for a villager as it is for a wolf.

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Originally Posted by Lathum

This is where I point out what I feel is a slip of the tounge fron nfg22

I call him out on it

I explain why

Another reason why he seems suspiscous. I also was true to my word and didn't scan him. But Pumpy did and he came back a wolf.

DC comes to nfg22's defense. This really pinged me and is the reason I scanned her.

Here DC continues to defend nfg22 and some of his other statements. Again, this is why I scanned her and she came back wolf.

So you're seeing connections between nfg and DC and possibly Pumpy?

mauchow · 02-19-2008, 02:48 PM

unvote rfg

vote no lynch

Another day's info without another villager dying is a good thing.

Lathum · 02-19-2008, 02:48 PM

Yes, I see a connection between DC and nfg. Pumpy I'm not sure about.

You can disagree all you want about a day 1 lynch in this game but to say you think day 2 would be a crapshoot with this ruleset is just plain wrong IMO

st.cronin · 02-19-2008, 02:51 PM

I guess I'd rather vote for DC than nfg. Does anybody have the current vote count?

The Jackal · 02-19-2008, 02:53 PM

I'm going to be out from 5-8ish, possibly later, so just in case I can't check in before the deadline, I'm going to make a vote.

I can see people saying this strategy is no good on day two, but I don't feel strongly at all about any of the candidates. I'll keep checking before i leave (another half hour or so), in case I change my mind.

vote no lynch

st.cronin · 02-19-2008, 02:56 PM

I really don't get the no-lynch phenomenon. If we're playing using normal werewolf strategy, we need lynches as data points. If we're playing using scan data, we need lynches to tell us which scanners are more accurate.

ntndeacon · 02-19-2008, 02:56 PM

Vote Pass

I admit that two scans is not enough to convict, but it is enough to suspect.

Barkeep49 · 02-19-2008, 02:57 PM

I'll just point out that at some point we need to start lynching people otherwise it's going to be very hard to weed out the wolves. The old "Can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs" holds true in WW.

ntndeacon · 02-19-2008, 02:57 PM

I probably will not scan the same person tonight. I would like to get some info on some that aren't as of yet scanned.

Pumpy Tudors · 02-19-2008, 03:00 PM

If you have sex with a wolf, does that make you a wolf too?

oliegirl · 02-19-2008, 03:01 PM

We need to lynch someone tonight guys...we need to start accumulating information and seeing whose scans are accurate and whose aren't...and the only way to do that is to lynch. I'm not saying cast your vote totally based on scans, but once we can compare vote results with scan results, we can start to compile some valuable information.

Lathum · 02-19-2008, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I'll just point out that at some point we need to start lynching people otherwise it's going to be very hard to weed out the wolves. The old "Can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs" holds true in WW.

I agree we need to lynch.

DC is my first choice, but I am willing to move to nfg22 or Pass if need be.

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Originally Posted by ntndeacon

I probably will not scan the same person tonight. I would like to get some info on some that aren't as of yet scanned.

This surprises me coming from you. What good is the info on other people if we can't validate the accuracy of it.

ntndeacon · 02-19-2008, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

If you have sex with a wolf, does that make you a wolf too?

No that makes you Pumpy

Barkeep49 · 02-19-2008, 03:02 PM

Anyone have a vote count?

Pumpy Tudors · 02-19-2008, 03:02 PM

I'm sticking with my vote for nfg22 for now, but I'm willing to jump over to Pass if we're sure of getting enough votes to lynch him.

path12 · 02-19-2008, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SnDvls

dola - that could have changed too as the rules were edited on 2-15-08 and the post was from 2-12-08

Path - can you clarify this for us thanks

I changed my mind on that as I fleshed out the ruleset a bit further. It's mentioned somewhere later in the thread, but to clarify:

Neither the Teacher's Pet or Class Clown are aware of their identity. All they know is that they are students.

ntndeacon · 02-19-2008, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I agree we need to lynch.

DC is my first choice, but I am willing to move to nfg22 or Pass if need be.

This surprises me coming from you. What good is the info on other people if we can't validate the accuracy of it.

Yea maybe Iam not thinking well at the moment, a nap will help Ithink to clear my sick addled brain.

I still am leary of not having any data on the what 6-7 folks? we can work on accuracy problems and Ican certainly hit the same person tomorrow. the un marked ones have me more concerned than my possible lack of accuracy.

ntndeacon · 02-19-2008, 03:06 PM

I will talk with y'all later.

RendeR · 02-19-2008, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ntndeacon

I probably will not scan the same person tonight. I would like to get some info on some that aren't as of yet scanned.

is there anyone who has not been scanned at all? I can certainly help get a duplicate scan in on them with you if there are any. I'm tired of Lathum getting all the attention

02-19-2008, 01:40 PM	#707
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	The teacher's pet knows who he is, I think. I think the fool thinks he's the teacher's pet. Ok, I scanned Passacaglia, and he scanned as a wolf. I don't necessarily buy that scan, but putting it out there. I do not advocate lynching anybody who scanned as a wolf last night. I'll stick with my d1 vote, no real reason, and don't see a compelling case for anybody else: VOTE RENDER __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

02-19-2008, 02:05 PM	#726
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	What is the argument against Dodgerchick? __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

02-19-2008, 02:21 PM	#729
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I just noticed, pass has 2 scans for wolf, 1 for villager. That's a worse rate than Lathum. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

02-19-2008, 02:51 PM	#735
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I guess I'd rather vote for DC than nfg. Does anybody have the current vote count? __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

02-19-2008, 02:56 PM	#737
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I really don't get the no-lynch phenomenon. If we're playing using normal werewolf strategy, we need lynches as data points. If we're playing using scan data, we need lynches to tell us which scanners are more accurate. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

02-19-2008, 01:43 PM	#710
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Name Night 1 claphamsa- Lathum- Student Barkeep49- Lathum- Student RendeR- Lathum- Wolf Chief Rum- Lathum- Wolf ntndeacon- Lathum- wolf The Jackal- Barkeep49- Student saldana- Barkeep49- Student Dodgerchick- Barkeep49- Student SnDvls- Barkeep- Student nfg22- claphamsa- Student MikeVic- Clap - Wolf Bsak16- Chief Rum- Student oliegirl- ChiefRum- Student st.cronin Passacaglia Wolf Mr. Wednesday- Passacaglia- Wolf Pumpy Tudors- nfg22- Wolf Lathum- Dodgerchick- Wolf Passacaglia- RendeR- Student mauboy1- X jeheinz72- X

02-19-2008, 01:45 PM	#712
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	OK, above is the list of everyone who was scanned and also the results. I think it is safe to assume BK is not a wolf.

02-19-2008, 01:57 PM	#720
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	dola - that could have changed too as the rules were edited on 2-15-08 and the post was from 2-12-08 Path - can you clarify this for us thanks

02-19-2008, 01:57 PM	#721
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Lathum: Why isn't it just as likely that all the scans on me are wrong as right? I happen to know they're all right, but then again I know my role. How do you reach your conclusion?

02-19-2008, 01:58 PM	#722
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Hmm, this is tough. I really don't feel compelled to vote for Lathum, but he might be the best chance we've got to get info from a death if he's not a wolf.

02-19-2008, 02:01 PM	#723
Dr. Sak Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Stuck in Yinzerville, PA	Killing a villager...especially one that could be informative like Lathum would be a mistake. Any villager lynch is a bad one!

02-19-2008, 02:03 PM	#725
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	VOTE DODGERCHICK now that all the scans are in I feel comfortable casting this vote.

02-19-2008, 02:29 PM	#730
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	I'm at work now, but like I said, I should have access, which I do, so if I see something I'll change if needed.

02-19-2008, 02:48 PM	#733
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	unvote rfg vote no lynch Another day's info without another villager dying is a good thing.

02-19-2008, 02:48 PM	#734
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Yes, I see a connection between DC and nfg. Pumpy I'm not sure about. You can disagree all you want about a day 1 lynch in this game but to say you think day 2 would be a crapshoot with this ruleset is just plain wrong IMO

02-19-2008, 02:53 PM	#736
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	I'm going to be out from 5-8ish, possibly later, so just in case I can't check in before the deadline, I'm going to make a vote. I can see people saying this strategy is no good on day two, but I don't feel strongly at all about any of the candidates. I'll keep checking before i leave (another half hour or so), in case I change my mind. vote no lynch

02-19-2008, 02:56 PM	#738
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	Vote Pass I admit that two scans is not enough to convict, but it is enough to suspect.

02-19-2008, 02:57 PM	#739
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I'll just point out that at some point we need to start lynching people otherwise it's going to be very hard to weed out the wolves. The old "Can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs" holds true in WW.

02-19-2008, 02:57 PM	#740
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	I probably will not scan the same person tonight. I would like to get some info on some that aren't as of yet scanned.

02-19-2008, 03:00 PM	#741
Pumpy Tudors Bounty Hunter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	If you have sex with a wolf, does that make you a wolf too? __________________ No, I am not Batman, and I will not repair your food processor.

02-19-2008, 03:02 PM	#745
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Anyone have a vote count?

02-19-2008, 03:02 PM	#746
Pumpy Tudors Bounty Hunter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	I'm sticking with my vote for nfg22 for now, but I'm willing to jump over to Pass if we're sure of getting enough votes to lynch him. __________________ No, I am not Batman, and I will not repair your food processor.

02-19-2008, 03:06 PM	#749
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	I will talk with y'all later.

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