The Trump Presidency – 2016

[AENeuman]

Originally Posted by Edward64

I have seen studies that say reducing personal income tax rates do not necessarily impact the economy. I haven't seen much on corporate tax rates.

It seems if the decrease in tax revenue does not cause cuts in government spending AND the ensuing deficit increase doesn’t bother/effect people- then, sure, good idea.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Edward64

How about small businesses who don't have this cash hoard, would they spend the savings on themselves personally or plough some of it into the business? or possibly new small business that are created because of the business friendly environment?

Small businesses are using tax structures like LLC where profits are passed through to the owners. This doesn't benefit them at all.

As for the cash flow of big businesses, banks are healthy and profitable companies should have no problem borrowing or luring investors.

[RainMaker]

Paradise Papers coming up with some fascinating stuff. Maybe their love of Russia is because they want America to be setup like a kleptocracy too.

Trump commerce secretary's business links with Putin family laid out in leaked files | News | The Guardian

The wealthy men in Trump's inner circle with links to tax havens | News | The Guardian

[Marc Vaughan]

Originally Posted by Edward64

No doubt those are pretty significant issues. I'm happy with strong economic and stock market growth to start of with.

Stock market I'll give you economic growth isn't truly stronger than under Obama - its just better marketed by Trump.

First off he originally claimed he'd get 5% growth not the 3% he's now touting as 'great' ... secondly 3% growth in a quarter isn't unusual, Obama did that regularly and even several a 4% and 5% growth in fairly recent quarters (2012, 13 & 14) ... he just didn't tweet about them

You can expect the next quarter growth to be lower as traditionally the winter and spring quarters have lower growth - so overall GDP under Trump is fairly normal tbh, which you'd expect as nothing has changed from Obama yet.

• Real GDP growth in the United States, by quarter 2011-2017 | Statistic

[JPhillips]

The fact that Rand Paul's assailant was a neighbor and that nothing is coming out as to motive is very strange.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

The fact that Rand Paul's assailant was a neighbor and that nothing is coming out as to motive is very strange.

Yup. My guess is it went beyond political views.

[cuervo72]

Article said it was "fourth degree assault." What'd he do, throw an egg at him?

[PilotMan]

hey, Rand Paul requires that you address him as Dr. Rand Paul. Get it right.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Marc Vaughan

Stock market I'll give you economic growth isn't truly stronger than under Obama - its just better marketed by Trump.

First off he originally claimed he'd get 5% growth not the 3% he's now touting as 'great' ... secondly 3% growth in a quarter isn't unusual, Obama did that regularly and even several a 4% and 5% growth in fairly recent quarters (2012, 13 & 14) ... he just didn't tweet about them

Agree on the stock market. On economic growth, also agree on his bluster.

But wasn't thinking about now on economic growth. What I was proposing revisiting in 2-3 years is -- after the tax plan is passed with significant corp tax reduction from 35% to 20%, that economic growth (assume GDP/GNP) will increase.

Also, as RM pointed out, small businesses will also be impacted by the reduction/simplification of personal tax rates (vs corporate tax rate reduction) and other various proposals in the tax plan.

Not sure how to "measure" this but think there'll be plenty of articles for us to digest and comment on.

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

Article said it was "fourth degree assault." What'd he do, throw an egg at him?

Supposedly, he has 5 broken ribs.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

Article said it was "fourth degree assault." What'd he do, throw an egg at him?

There were some fractured ribs. Pretty serious I think.

Rand Paul recovering from 5 broken ribs - Chicago Tribune

Rand Paul was recovering Sunday from five broken ribs after he was assaulted by a neighbor who tackled him from behind at the senator's Kentucky home, officials said.

[JPhillips]

That only makes a misdemeanor assault and no motive even more strange.

[Shkspr]

Well you have to figure that the initial assault didn't break any of the ribs. Rather, Rand broke those ribs himself because as a libertarian he doesn't feel it necessary to rely on society to do anything for him.

[digamma]

Originally Posted by digamma

It's a big tax cut for 1%ers who are not W2 employees or people who utilize SPVs or other vehicles to operate businesses. Like, you know, real estate developers.

@sethhanlon has an excellent thread about how the tax bill looks like it was written by Trump's accountant.

Seth Hanlon on Twitter: "The Republican tax bill looks like it was written by Donald Trump’s accountants and tax lawyers, and I’m not even joking. 1/"

[Ben E Lou]

I could've sworn I read that the guy tackled him from behind while Paul was cutting his grass and that there was a history of disagreement between the two of them about grass-cutting. I assumed Paul was either cutting his grass too early in the morning (WHICH IS NOT POSSIBLE) for some lazy neighbor, or perhaps there was a disagreement about cutting near the property line, and the dude snapped and tackled.

[PilotMan]

If you're mowing your lawn before 8a on Saturday morning, then fuck you.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

If you're mowing your lawn before 8a on Saturday morning, then fuck you.

Lazybones.

[cartman]

[Logan]

Russian Twitter Support for Trump Began Right After He Started Campaign

[QuikSand]

I know this is just point-and-laugh stuff at this point (that our POTUS is, ahem, "enthusiastically ignorant" is already well understood) but... oh wow...

Mark Knoller on Twitter: "Pres Trump asks Japanese auto makers if they could build their cars in the US and not just ship them over."

(Knoller is no agenda buy, either, he seems to be the straightest shooter of the pool reporters, as nearly as I can tell)




later edit, with more detail out: see my follow-up apology here: https://forums.operationsports.com/f...postcount=7278

[bronconick]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

I know this is just point-and-laugh stuff at this point (that our POTUS is, ahem, "enthusiastically ignorant" is already well understood) but... oh wow...

Mark Knoller on Twitter: "Pres Trump asks Japanese auto makers if they could build their cars in the US and not just ship them over."

(Knoller is no agenda buy, either, he seems to be the straightest shooter of the pool reporters, as nearly as I can tell)

This is basically like Palin in Game Change, except much, much worse.

[BBT]

“The reason our stock market is so successful is because of me. I’ve always been great with money”-@realDonaldTrump on AF1 en route to Tokyo pic.twitter.com/ygtZu25cgZ

— Jonathan Karl (@jonkarl) November 5, 2017

He's going to have to explain why the stock market climbed from 8,000 to 19,000 under Obama then https://t.co/xpUeirOKUq

— Ben Shapiro (@benshapiro) November 5, 2017

[BBT]

DOLA

Trump says Texas church shooting “isn’t a guns situation” but instead “a mental health problem at the highest level” https://t.co/Wpl4uiufGg pic.twitter.com/qAtt8ullGB

— TODAY (@TODAYshow) November 6, 2017

Blames mental illness, but signed a bill allowing the mentally ill to buy guns & supprted healthcare reform that didn’t cover mental health https://t.co/v5ukaxCfs2

— Stephanie Ruhle (@SRuhle) November 6, 2017

[Kodos]

How is it not a guns situation?

[BBT]

Because NRA

[PilotMan]

I'm not sure it's mental health at all. More along the lines of Red Neck Piece of Shit.

[QuikSand]

FWIW, now that the full comment from Trump on the Japanese auto manufacturers is out, I think it's pretty clear that he was neither confused nor unaware of them having a major presence in the US. He was lauding two companies for their recent expanded US investment and urging more of the same, which is quite reasonable. Sorry for the pile-on above.

[JPhillips]

“The unfortunate occurrence of November 3rd has absolutely nothing to do with either’s politics or political agendas,” Matthew Baker, the lawyer for Rene Boucher, wrote in a Twitter post on Monday.
Baker said his client has been Paul’s neighbor in Bowling Green for 17 years and they even worked together when they were practicing doctors.

“It was a very regrettable dispute between two neighbors over a matter that most people would regard as trivial,” Baker wrote, without elaborating.

So trivial that both men are keeping it secret.

[JPhillips]

dola

The Saudis are saying they consider Lebanon to have declared war. This could get out of hand quickly and spark a regional Sunni/Shia war if Jared isn't able to fix it.

[digamma]

If Jared can't bring peace to the Middle East, no one can. He's really great.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

So trivial that both men are keeping it secret.

Two Kentuckians tell me Rand’s neighborhood fracas stemmed from a dispute over some sort of planting or flora issue around the properties

— Jonathan Martin (@jmartNYT) November 6, 2017

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

If you're mowing your lawn before 8a on Saturday morning, then fuck you.

+1

[CrescentMoonie]

Nice little timeline of the 9 known Trump associates with ties to Russia.

Russians in Trump’s orbit during the campaign and presidential transition - Washington Post

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Two Kentuckians tell me Rand’s neighborhood fracas stemmed from a dispute over some sort of planting or flora issue around the properties

— Jonathan Martin (@jmartNYT) November 6, 2017

I can totally understand a leaf blowing fight.

[Toddzilla]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

If you're mowing your lawn before 8a on Saturday morning, then fuck you.

If you're mowing your lawn before 8a on Saturday morning, i'm going to bail that guy out, fly him over, and give him a nice helping of bath salts before I turn him loose on you.

[thesloppy]

I reserve most of that kind of rage for the recycling trucks that beep every time they move ten feet and gleefully crush massive amounts of glass together at 6am every wednesday. WHO SANCTIONED THIS? THEY ALL MUST DIE!

[Thomkal]

Interesting (Sad?) approach to Trump's fight against climate change-use kids in lawsuits against him:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1D62UW

I think his admin is in real trouble with lawsuits after the climate change report they were forced to release last week

[JPhillips]

Ed Gillespie is a perfect encapsulation of my problems with the GOP. I doubt he's personally racist, but he's built his entire campaign on encouraging the worst thoughts of racist voters. Too many GOP electeds have been doing this for years and there's a direct line from this crap to electing Trump.

[Thomkal]

Today marks the end for Governor Christie, he of the about 16% approval rating. For which the people of New Jersey can rejoice. Perhaps they will have a party on the beach he closed down for all but his family to celebrate.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Ed Gillespie is a perfect encapsulation of my problems with the GOP. I doubt he's personally racist, but he's built his entire campaign on encouraging the worst thoughts of racist voters. Too many GOP electeds have been doing this for years and there's a direct line from this crap to electing Trump.

That's the base. You don't get to pass unpopular policies unless you give them something they want.

[JPhillips]

Oh I understand the strategy, but they can't complain when they get called on their white nationalist bullshit. They encourage this monster election after election. At some point it doesn't matter if you're a racist, if you continually rely on racist appeals to win.

[RainMaker]

Where do they find these weirdos?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalex.../#28bbfa567515

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Today marks the end for Governor Christie, he of the about 16% approval rating. For which the people of New Jersey can rejoice. Perhaps they will have a party on the beach he closed down for all but his family to celebrate.

That fat sack of shit can't leave Trenton soon enough for me. A corrupt embarrassment in the Governor's mansion, as is tradition.

And no surprise, as soon as the polls closed, Phil Murphy (D) is projected to be the next governor.

[Atocep]

Virginia was projected to be a tight race, but has already been called for Northam.

[Jas_lov]

And Dems might also have a chance to flip the House of Delegates in Virginia.

[CrescentMoonie]

Northam in a walkover. Also, VA makes pretty big news with Danica Roem.

We're seeing the Trump effect quite solidly tonight. He's a godsend for the near future of the Democratic Party.

[Chief Rum]

Is there anyway at all that the UCLA shoplifting incident timed with the Trump east Asia tour will somehow result in a war of words between Trump and Lavar Ball?

Please tell me there is. I would find this immensely satisfying.

[CrescentMoonie]

Former WWE/TNA wrestler Matt Morgan elected to the city council of Longwood, FL.

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by CrescentMoonie

Northam in a walkover. Also, VA makes pretty big news with Danica Roem.

We're seeing the Trump effect quite solidly tonight. He's a godsend for the near future of the Democratic Party.

Unless you're Donald Trump.

Ed Gillespie worked hard but did not embrace me or what I stand for. Don’t forget, Republicans won 4 out of 4 House seats, and with the economy doing record numbers, we will continue to win, even bigger than before!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 8, 2017

[mckerney]

Danica Roem wins in Virginia, becoming first openly transgender state representative - The Washington Post

The author of a trans bathroom bill in Virginia lost his seat to a transgender woman.