Big 10 Expansion Thread -Big Ten ready for a playoff .. finally?

[cartman]

In FCS news, Abilene Christian is going to move to Div. 1 FCS, joining the Southland Conference. They have been a long time NAIA/Division 2 school, and have sent quite a few players to the NFL.

Abilene Christian will move to Division I Southland Conference - ESPN

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

Jesus Christ, asshole.

Can you knock it the fuck off?

I think we all know the answer to this...

[tarcone]

In St Charles, Mo a suburb of St Louis, there is a former D3 university that is eyeing D1. Lindenwood University haqs gone up one level already. The long term project is to get to D1.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Good interview of a ESPN exec on the changes we'll see in the network with the conference changes and playoff system.

ESPN's Burke Magnus talks SEC Network, realignment, playoffs and more | al.com

[britrock88]

Boise State to the Big West next year for Olympic sports.

Boise State Broncos joining Big West for non-football sports - ESPN

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by britrock88

Boise State to the Big West next year for Olympic sports.

Boise State Broncos joining Big West for non-football sports - ESPN

This part of the whole conference realignment is a big downside. In the past you were in one conference for all sports. We'll likely see more schools in more than one conference much like this going forward. Seems kind of silly.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

This part of the whole conference realignment is a big downside. In the past you were in one conference for all sports. We'll likely see more schools in more than one conference much like this going forward. Seems kind of silly.

Yes, it's a huge downside that a football program as good as Boise State could choose to participate in a competitive conference, instead of being in a subpar one just so its non-revenue sports could stay afloat.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Logan

Yes, it's a huge downside that a football program as good as Boise State could choose to participate in a competitive conference, instead of being in a subpar one just so its non-revenue sports could stay afloat.

Of course. It's become another indictment of just how badly unbalanced the athletic departments have become.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

If you're interested in talking about women's diving, golf, and softball, go right ahead. With all due respect to those other sports, 99% of the general population couldn't give a flying rip about anything outside of the big two sports.

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Of course. It's become another indictment of just how badly unbalanced the athletic departments have become.

Interesting. Your new found concern is duly noted.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by cartman

Interesting. Your new found concern is duly noted.

There's no conflict in those two statements. You can point out how badly the balance has become out of whack without actually giving a rip about the non-revenue sports.

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

There's no conflict in those two statements. You can point out how badly the balance has become out of whack without actually giving a rip about the non-revenue sports.

Explain to me please how "not giving a rip" about those sports reconciles with saying how "out of balance" things have gotten.

[digamma]

I don't give a rip that they are out of balance? In fact, we should spend more on football and crush these little girls and their silly ideas of playing sports? We are WINNING!

There's my shot at it.

*While I am digamma, I do not approve the above message. It is for illustrative purposes only.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by dawgfan

Explain to me please how "not giving a rip" about those sports reconciles with saying how "out of balance" things have gotten.

I won't give a rip about the other sports because they're not of interest to me. With that said, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that the athletic department focus is clearly on a couple of big-revenue sports rather than the 'athletic department'.

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

I won't give a rip about the other sports because they're not of interest to me. With that said, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that the athletic department focus is clearly on a couple of big-revenue sports rather than the 'athletic department'.

But if you don't give a rip about those other sports, how is that then a situation where things are out of balance? You used the terms "indictment" and "badly out of balance" - that clearly implies a value judgment on your part denigrating the priorities of athletic departments.

I will enjoy watching your next round of mental gymnastics as you attempt to reconcile your conflicting statements.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by dawgfan

But if you don't give a rip about those other sports, how is that then a situation where things are out of balance? You used the terms "indictment" and "badly out of balance" - that clearly implies a value judgment on your part denigrating the priorities of athletic departments.

I will enjoy watching your next round of mental gymnastics as you attempt to reconcile your conflicting statements.

It's not a value judgment. It's a straightforward situation. The priorities of the athletic departments are clearly out of whack and I can understand why people would care about that. But I could also care less from a personal standpoint. I like football and basketball and little else.

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by dawgfan

Explain to me please how "not giving a rip" about those sports reconciles with saying how "out of balance" things have gotten.

His concern with his perception of what he wants

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

It's not a value judgment. It's a straightforward situation. The priorities of the athletic departments are clearly out of whack and I can understand why people would care about that. But I could also care less from a personal standpoint. I like football and basketball and little else.

OK, you are either contradicting yourself, or you think that your own values are also "out of whack" then. Which is it?

[sooner333]

Longhorn Network is apparently on Uverse now. I get my Uverse installed today...might have to cancel.

[cartman]

/* need to figure out how to hack into sooner333's Uverse so that the LHN is the default channel at power on... */

[sooner333]

Originally Posted by cartman

/* need to figure out how to hack into sooner333's Uverse so that the LHN is the default channel at power on... */

Which will remind me daily of the last two OU/Texas games.

[cartman]

After Mizzou saw A&M's going to the SEC video, they just knew they could do better. Like A&M, these guys are the SEC's problem now.

[sooner333]

My eyes!!!!!

[digamma]

The love song is one of the weirdest things I've seen.

[Swaggs]

Yeah, I actually think the A&M one is worse than the Mizzou one.

There is a chance the Mizzou guys are just messing around. The Aggie one is disturbingly serious in nature.

[tarcone]

Oh my. I do like how they knock Kansas though. Is there ever not a time that Mizzou will take shots at Kansas.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Yeah, I actually think the A&M one is worse than the Mizzou one.

There is a chance the Mizzou guys are just messing around. The Aggie one is disturbingly serious in nature.

Both videos are spoofs of other fan videos. I assumed everyone knew that, but perhaps that was a bad assumption.

Here's another fan video spoof. Pretty well done video.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Here's another video. My personal favorite.

[digamma]

What is the country song parodying?

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by digamma

What is the country song parodying?

Itself?

[cartman]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Saw these comments from the new Big 12 commish......



For those that weren't aware, the spur-of-the-moment announcement by Neinas a few months ago that all members had agreed to a 13 year Grant of Rights was very premature. In fact, there still is not a Grant of Rights and it's pretty well known at this point that the reason for that is Texas is not willing to agree to that stipulation.

It would appear that Bowlsby is setting the table with these comments to move forward without a Grant of Rights in place, mainly because Texas has told the rest of the conference they're not as ready to commit to the future of the conference as the other nine members are.

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

We'll see if it happens. There's a lot of disagreement as to how that deal should be formed. I don't believe that Texas is going to be in any mood to agree to a Grant of Rights when all is said and done. I am impressed that Bowlsby had the guts to call out Texas indirectly in his comment. Bodes well for the other members.

Looks like you'll need some different straws to grasp for.

Big 12 announces media deal with ABC/ESPN, Fox - ESPN

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by cartman

Looks like you'll need some different straws to grasp for.

Big 12 announces media deal with ABC/ESPN, Fox - ESPN

Looks like a great deal.

I still think the Big 12 adds teams within the next two years, so their conference championship game will probably jump the number up another $2-3M per school.

[cartman]

It just saw that the contract officially moves this year's Texas-TCU game to Thanksgiving night.

The Big 12 media day is at the hotel across the street from the client I'm visiting today. Might have to head over there at lunch and check it out.

edit: or maybe not. It is at the Westin Galleria in Dallas, not the Westin Galleria in Houston.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Looks like a great deal.

I still think the Big 12 adds teams within the next two years, so their conference championship game will probably jump the number up another $2-3M per school.

It's a good starting point for sure. I'd agree that they will need to add the extra two teams and get a championship game back in play. Whether it jumps or not depends quite a bit on which two teams are added I'd think.

It's great for our friend up here in the North (KU, KSU, ISU). They stood to lose the most if the conference couldn't get something done. Glad they have a place to land.

[Logan]

But what do you think of the GoR?

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by cartman

Looks like you'll need some different straws to grasp for.

Big 12 announces media deal with ABC/ESPN, Fox - ESPN

I don't think it says whether it's equal or proportional based on appearances. That was one of the big sticking points previously

SI

[sterlingice]

Also, this means the SEC gets to either play hardball with ESPN for big, big money or they can try to attract attention from NBC (part of a Comcast package?) or CBS

SI

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Logan

But what do you think of the GoR?

As I already stated, it's great for the teams up in the North. They at least know they'll have a conference for the foreseeable future (whatever that length of time is). Don't think it changes much for Texas and Oklahoma. The difference that they can get by leaving, especially given what people are expecting in the SEC for each team, will still give them the option to leave. The smaller schools like KU, KSU, and ISU have no options to leave.

Also, if a block of the members leave together and reduce it below six, the GOR doesn't mean anything. At that point, the conference is dissolved. I don't think it's crazy to think that the TX and OK schools could leave to a separate conference or create a new mega-conference in a merge to avoid paying those amounts in the event that we move to a mega-conference format.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Also, this means the SEC gets to either play hardball with ESPN for big, big money or they can try to attract attention from NBC (part of a Comcast package?) or CBS

SI

NBC and CBS are both desperate for programming on their new Sports Channels. It's a huge bidding war right now between those two entities and ESPN. They all know that they'll get the existing package plus first rights option on production rights for the new SEC Network when that is formed.

[digamma]

So, which other fan video was the country song spoofing?

[sooner333]

Notre Dame to ACC in all sports but football. They'll play five games annually against ACC teams though.

Twitter / McMurphyESPN: Notre Dame will join ACC as ...

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by sooner333

Notre Dame to ACC in all sports but football. They'll play five games annually against ACC teams though.

Twitter / McMurphyESPN: Notre Dame will join ACC as ...

Good thing John Marinatto put them in charge of the Big East's expansion committee.

Will be interesting to see if this appeases the more football-centric schools in the ACC.

[yacovfb]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Will be interesting to see if this appeases the more football-centric schools in the ACC.

You'd think it would considering the buyout just went up to 50 million

[Ksyrup]

Well I think that probably explains (at least partially) why the FSU-to-Big XII stuff died down. Not sure what it really means in terms of additional money, though.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by sooner333

Notre Dame to ACC in all sports but football. They'll play five games annually against ACC teams though.

Twitter / McMurphyESPN: Notre Dame will join ACC as ...

Wonder if that's it for their Big 10/Big East rivalries and USC? My guess would be they keep USC and Michigan and dump everyone else but maybe the other games mean more to them then an outsider like myself understands.

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Well I think that probably explains (at least partially) why the FSU-to-Big XII stuff died down.

+1

smells like appeasement to me but whatever. when the BE's legs started wobbling the east coast mega-conference was inevitable

[Matthean]

Seems like it would be easier to give the Big Ten the same deal. They play 3 Big Ten teams now as it is. I'm sure the Big Ten wanted all or nothing, but since that was never going to happen, might as well take the next best thing.

[Logan]

They're playing 4 ACC teams this year if you include Pitt.

[bronconick]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Well I think that probably explains (at least partially) why the FSU-to-Big XII stuff died down. Not sure what it really means in terms of additional money, though.

If the rumor that Dodds put a kibash on any expansion while courting Notre Dame is true, he just shot the Big XII in the foot.

[Easy Mac]

I'd guess FSU, Miami and BC are permanently on the schedule. Then rotate everyone else, 1 home, 1 away every year until ND becomes a full time member.

Does this really change Notre Dame's historical schedule all that much? They still have 7 "out of conference" games to schedule once they join up. Even if you assume USC, Michigan and Navy stay on, that's still 4 games to play with.

Also, do these ACC games count as in conference in the standings for the other teams?

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by Easy Mac

Also, do these ACC games count as in conference in the standings for the other teams?

I doubt it. Which means once we move to 9 conference games, FSU would possibly have UF, ND, and one cupcake on the schedule most years for OOC games.