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Lathum · 08-08-2007, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

We can't anything post when dead/lynched, right?

not in terms of the game.

MikeVic · 08-08-2007, 10:29 PM

Ok. Then I'd just like to say that this was fascinating, and I'm glad I tried werewolf.

I don't see time upcoming to devote to another game, but maybe once my fantasy football drafts are over I'll sign up for another game.

Jonathan Ezarik · 08-08-2007, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

If hoops is alive day 4 he will have my vote

This makes no sense to me. Why should the wolves go after him now if they know we're going to take him out ourselves in a couple of days?

hoopsguy · 08-08-2007, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

We can't anything post when dead/lynched, right?

Good luck, team?

Seriously, you should never reveal game-related content that will impact people's decisions going forward once you are dead.

Lathum · 08-08-2007, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

This makes no sense to me. Why should the wolves go after him now if they know we're going to take him out ourselves in a couple of days?

ummm.

because he's hoops

MikeVic · 08-08-2007, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Good luck, team?

Seriously, you should never reveal game-related content that will impact people's decisions going forward once you are dead.

I'm not dead! I've won the lottery.

I was glad to get Dorn as a character because I found him funny in the movies.

hoopsguy · 08-08-2007, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

ummm.

because he's hoops

Let's see if we can get ourselves a wolf tomorrow before we worry too much about what Day 4 will bring.

I understand your perspective. Heck, I've even commented on it in the "Pet Peeves" thread. I think it makes sense to have a medium-term plan as long as you are willing to re-evaluate your assumptions based on new data points.

If we're both still around then, I'll state my case at that time. I can't do more now than tell you I'm a villager because I don't know what today will bring.

Lathum · 08-08-2007, 10:39 PM

VOTE DADDYTORGO

I wanna make sure he loses in case of a tie breaker

hoopsguy · 08-08-2007, 10:43 PM

I've got about 15-20 more minutes - Gonzo, would love to get your thoughts on the first two days so far.

DaddyTorgo · 08-08-2007, 11:05 PM

lathum. I'm a villegar. Just a misguided one.

Lathum · 08-08-2007, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

lathum. I'm a villegar. Just a misguided one.

but you were so sure!!!!!

path12 · 08-08-2007, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

You people suck at this game.

Except for Jack Parkman.

path12 · 08-08-2007, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

Ok. Then I'd just like to say that this was fascinating, and I'm glad I tried werewolf.

I don't see time upcoming to devote to another game, but maybe once my fantasy football drafts are over I'll sign up for another game.

(ooc) I hope you do. It gets better as you learn the game more. (/ooc)

PurdueBrad · 08-08-2007, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

VOTE DADDYTORGO

I wanna make sure he loses in case of a tie breaker

Lathum, as of right now, Hoops has the tie-breaker with my vote, unless I switch.

Lathum · 08-09-2007, 12:03 AM

I can't see hoops getting lynched considering his on the field value

hoopsguy · 08-09-2007, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Lathum, as of right now, Hoops has the tie-breaker with my vote, unless I switch.

It doesn't matter if you switch, I'll still lose a tie.

Passacaglia · 08-09-2007, 06:21 AM

VOTE DADDYTORGO

I'll move it if someone wakes up and reveals some juicy night actions. Also, JE and Gonzo still worry me a little.

Barkeep49 · 08-09-2007, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I can't see hoops getting lynched considering his on the field value

Except that's nearly exhausted.

Lathum · 08-09-2007, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Except that's nearly exhausted.

true but why lynch him today?

Lathum · 08-09-2007, 09:31 AM

hmm, pretty quiet.

So do you guys think hoops should step it up tonight?

KWhit · 08-09-2007, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

hmm, pretty quiet.

So do you guys think hoops should step it up tonight?

Yeah. Go ahead and get all three wins if we can before he's possibly night killed.

Lathum · 08-09-2007, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

Yeah. Go ahead and get all three wins if we can before he's possibly night killed.

I agree as well.

I also hope he gets seer scanned at some point.

hoopsguy · 08-09-2007, 09:51 AM

A few thoughts - I seem to be making lists lately ...

1. There is one person in the game who has demonstrated value to the village so far - me, through the "step it up" performances, twice.

2. Suggestions about taking me out, at this point in the game, are borderline idiotic in my opinion. It is one thing to play against the player/style, but taking out the guy who has won baseball games and can likely do it again tonight seems like you are playing to lose. This is not including the fact that I know I'm a villager.

3. We have four villagers out there with roles - Bodyguard, Seer, Duke, Scout among our ten remaining players. With that in mind, I think it is going to make for a very interesting day as we start to apply pressure to people.

4. I'm planning to step it up tonight. I would like to have the other players joining in being the ones least likely to be highly rated. I would rule out "Wild Thing", "Willie Mays Hayes", and our manager as I expect them to have higher value based on their movie impact. That leaves six players, of which three should step up tonight.

Lathum · 08-09-2007, 09:59 AM

I have also been thinking about the seer.

I AM PUTTING THIS OUT FOR DISCUSSION!!!! I DO NOT WANT THE SEER TO REVEAL RIGHT NOW!!

There are 10 of us left and unless I am missing something all our big roles are still alive, I am assuming the seer can clear 2 people at this point, add the seer themselves and thats 3 people cleared and 7 unknowns.

Tonight the BG can then protect the seer and we can get another person cleared. After the lynch/ night kill that leaves us with 8 people, 4 of which are unknown.

The BG can then reveal and protect themselves if they choose( the seer would be a night target anyway). After the bg reveals that only leaves us 3 unknowns. One of those unknows will be lynched leaving only 2 people and we can win the game.

Go ahead and poke holes in it.

Passacaglia · 08-09-2007, 10:04 AM

Hoops, do you think it's a good idea to step it up tonight? Once you've used your third one, that puts us back at square one. How comfortable do you feel with that?

Lathum · 08-09-2007, 10:06 AM

I realize hoops has helped us win games but I also think it is very possible we are being sidetracked because of it.

Lathum · 08-09-2007, 10:08 AM

my theory above doesn't factor in the duke which only helps us more.

Jonathan Ezarik · 08-09-2007, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I have also been thinking about the seer.

I AM PUTTING THIS OUT FOR DISCUSSION!!!! I DO NOT WANT THE SEER TO REVEAL RIGHT NOW!!

There are 10 of us left and unless I am missing something all our big roles are still alive, I am assuming the seer can clear 2 people at this point, add the seer themselves and thats 3 people cleared and 7 unknowns.

Tonight the BG can then protect the seer and we can get another person cleared. After the lynch/ night kill that leaves us with 8 people, 4 of which are unknown.

The BG can then reveal and protect themselves if they choose( the seer would be a night target anyway). After the bg reveals that only leaves us 3 unknowns. One of those unknows will be lynched leaving only 2 people and we can win the game.

Go ahead and poke holes in it.

I'm for this. We need to get a CoT. Right now I don't trust anyone.

Barkeep49 · 08-09-2007, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I realize hoops has helped us win games but I also think it is very possible we are being sidetracked because of it.

I agree. I have yet to see any reason to afford hoops more trust than anyone else around here.

Barkeep49 · 08-09-2007, 10:16 AM

I'm not sure about Lathum's plan but if the seer has found a wolf, I think he/she/it should reveal for sure.

path12 · 08-09-2007, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

I'm for this. We need to get a CoT. Right now I don't trust anyone.

Jack Parkman notes that Lathum requested specifically that the seer not reveal yet but tossed the idea out for discussion. It seems like you are saying that you just want to go ahead and have the seer come out.

Again, it is impossible for Jack Parkman to misunderstand a statement, so Jack Parkman requests a clarification.

Lathum · 08-09-2007, 10:19 AM

The more I think about it I think the seer should seriously consider it, At some point out luck is going to run out and if the seer takes their info to the grave it will screw us.

I think if the seer does reveal it needs to be early rather then late, otherwise we may not have time to act accordinly and the BG may not get their role in on time.

hoopsguy · 08-09-2007, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Hoops, do you think it's a good idea to step it up tonight? Once you've used your third one, that puts us back at square one. How comfortable do you feel with that?

Yeah, I want us to keep winning games. Unless the Scout wants to come forward - which I don't think makes sense - with another candidate who can help us do that, I want to keep us moving up the standings.

When I'm burnt out I would recommend we look to others that we guess are highly rated if we don't have the Scout identified to give us help with this.

Jonathan Ezarik · 08-09-2007, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by path12

Jack Parkman notes that Lathum requested specifically that the seer not reveal yet but tossed the idea out for discussion. It seems like you are saying that you just want to go ahead and have the seer come out.

Again, it is impossible for Jack Parkman to misunderstand a statement, so Jack Parkman requests a clarification.

Yes, Lathum did say that he wasn't calling for the seer to out himself right now, but that is what the plan is calling for. I'm saying that I agree with him and that it sounds like a good idea. If the seer wants to out himself, I think it would benefit us right now. We don't have anything else to go on so what do we have to lose?

hoopsguy · 08-09-2007, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I agree. I have yet to see any reason to afford hoops more trust than anyone else around here.

I don't know how to explain in a way that I haven't so far. But I'll try.

- 9 people left have shown nothing that absolutely, positively helps the team.
- I've won us two games.
- The wolves would be closer to victory if we had lost either of those games, per the stated victory conditions.

Lathum · 08-09-2007, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

- 9 people left have shown nothing that absolutely, positively helps the team.

I scorred the winning run last night.

It just seems to me you are more concerned with winning games and not finding wolves.

hoopsguy · 08-09-2007, 10:32 AM

Let's try another approach here. Published trust lists. Who do you trust/distrust and why?

I absolutely will publish mine this morning, but I'm extremely curious to see a couple of others first. If they aren't forthcoming, I'll start the ball rolling.

hoopsguy · 08-09-2007, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I scorred the winning run last night.

It just seems to me you are more concerned with winning games and not finding wolves.

Considering we haven't found a wolf yet, who can't you say this about?

hoopsguy · 08-09-2007, 10:35 AM

As far as the seer plan goes, I'm fine with the seer revealing - the sooner the better, if he can help us get a trust list going. I would hope he has information on two other players, but even if it is only one along with himself that cuts the odds significantly.

As we have stated, he should have the bodyguard around tonight to ensure one more view. It will put more pressure on the wolves than they have felt so far this game.

Lathum · 08-09-2007, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Considering we haven't found a wolf yet, who can't you say this about?

huh?

you are FAR more concerned then anyone else with winning games.

IMO

Lathum · 08-09-2007, 10:36 AM

One flaw in my theory is that the people the seer viewed may be dead

Passacaglia · 08-09-2007, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

One flaw in my theory is that the people the seer viewed may be dead

And that the bodyguard may have protected the seer last night.

Passacaglia · 08-09-2007, 10:41 AM

However, if that happened, it's not like the bodyguard would announce it. So we may be okay.

Lathum · 08-09-2007, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

And that the bodyguard may have protected the seer last night.

I also considered that but it was a 10-1 shot so ...

Lathum · 08-09-2007, 10:52 AM

I don't have a list but a few observations

Gonzo has been much quieter then last game.

DT's play has been oddly aggressive considering how wrong he was.

Hoops seems much more concerned about winning games, and letting everyone know he was the catalyst, then finding wolves.

Passacaglia · 08-09-2007, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I don't have a list but a few observations

Gonzo has been much quieter then last game.

DT's play has been oddly aggressive considering how wrong he was.

Hoops seems much more concerned about winning games, and letting everyone know he was the catalyst, then finding wolves.

I think he's looking at winning games as a method of establishing trust -- and, since he's won two games and still isn't totally trusted, he's still harping on it.

Passacaglia · 08-09-2007, 10:57 AM

I agree about Gonzo. I see him in the thread -- Gonzo, any thoughts?

Lathum · 08-09-2007, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I think he's looking at winning games as a method of establishing trust -- and, since he's won two games and still isn't totally trusted, he's still harping on it.

possibly, but IMO one has nothing to do with the other.

Passacaglia · 08-09-2007, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

possibly, but IMO one has nothing to do with the other.

Why not? Isn't winning games the same as helping the village? Would you feel differently if it were someone other than hoops winning all these games?

Lathum · 08-09-2007, 11:01 AM

Dola- To elaborate.

As a wolf one of the most important things you can do is attempt to establish trust with the villagers. Some people do it different ways.

AlanT doeas alot of analysis for example. some poeple cast an early vote on one of their fellow wolves to gain trust, etc...

In this game a potential way to seem "valuable" to the village is by helping win games, which Hoops is doing. And pointing out the fact that he is such a big help.

Seems to me the best way for a potential wolf to gain trust in this game.

08-08-2007, 10:29 PM	#652
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	Ok. Then I'd just like to say that this was fascinating, and I'm glad I tried werewolf. I don't see time upcoming to devote to another game, but maybe once my fantasy football drafts are over I'll sign up for another game.

08-08-2007, 10:39 PM	#658
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	VOTE DADDYTORGO I wanna make sure he loses in case of a tie breaker

08-08-2007, 10:43 PM	#659
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I've got about 15-20 more minutes - Gonzo, would love to get your thoughts on the first two days so far.

08-08-2007, 11:05 PM	#660
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	lathum. I'm a villegar. Just a misguided one.

08-09-2007, 12:03 AM	#665
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I can't see hoops getting lynched considering his on the field value

08-09-2007, 06:21 AM	#667
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	VOTE DADDYTORGO I'll move it if someone wakes up and reveals some juicy night actions. Also, JE and Gonzo still worry me a little.

08-09-2007, 09:31 AM	#670
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	hmm, pretty quiet. So do you guys think hoops should step it up tonight?

08-09-2007, 09:51 AM	#673
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	A few thoughts - I seem to be making lists lately ... 1. There is one person in the game who has demonstrated value to the village so far - me, through the "step it up" performances, twice. 2. Suggestions about taking me out, at this point in the game, are borderline idiotic in my opinion. It is one thing to play against the player/style, but taking out the guy who has won baseball games and can likely do it again tonight seems like you are playing to lose. This is not including the fact that I know I'm a villager. 3. We have four villagers out there with roles - Bodyguard, Seer, Duke, Scout among our ten remaining players. With that in mind, I think it is going to make for a very interesting day as we start to apply pressure to people. 4. I'm planning to step it up tonight. I would like to have the other players joining in being the ones least likely to be highly rated. I would rule out "Wild Thing", "Willie Mays Hayes", and our manager as I expect them to have higher value based on their movie impact. That leaves six players, of which three should step up tonight.

08-09-2007, 09:59 AM	#674
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I have also been thinking about the seer. I AM PUTTING THIS OUT FOR DISCUSSION!!!! I DO NOT WANT THE SEER TO REVEAL RIGHT NOW!! There are 10 of us left and unless I am missing something all our big roles are still alive, I am assuming the seer can clear 2 people at this point, add the seer themselves and thats 3 people cleared and 7 unknowns. Tonight the BG can then protect the seer and we can get another person cleared. After the lynch/ night kill that leaves us with 8 people, 4 of which are unknown. The BG can then reveal and protect themselves if they choose( the seer would be a night target anyway). After the bg reveals that only leaves us 3 unknowns. One of those unknows will be lynched leaving only 2 people and we can win the game. Go ahead and poke holes in it.

08-09-2007, 10:04 AM	#675
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Hoops, do you think it's a good idea to step it up tonight? Once you've used your third one, that puts us back at square one. How comfortable do you feel with that?

08-09-2007, 10:06 AM	#676
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I realize hoops has helped us win games but I also think it is very possible we are being sidetracked because of it.

08-09-2007, 10:08 AM	#677
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	my theory above doesn't factor in the duke which only helps us more.

08-09-2007, 10:16 AM	#680
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I'm not sure about Lathum's plan but if the seer has found a wolf, I think he/she/it should reveal for sure.

08-09-2007, 10:19 AM	#682
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	The more I think about it I think the seer should seriously consider it, At some point out luck is going to run out and if the seer takes their info to the grave it will screw us. I think if the seer does reveal it needs to be early rather then late, otherwise we may not have time to act accordinly and the BG may not get their role in on time.

08-09-2007, 10:32 AM	#687
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Let's try another approach here. Published trust lists. Who do you trust/distrust and why? I absolutely will publish mine this morning, but I'm extremely curious to see a couple of others first. If they aren't forthcoming, I'll start the ball rolling.

08-09-2007, 10:35 AM	#689
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	As far as the seer plan goes, I'm fine with the seer revealing - the sooner the better, if he can help us get a trust list going. I would hope he has information on two other players, but even if it is only one along with himself that cuts the odds significantly. As we have stated, he should have the bodyguard around tonight to ensure one more view. It will put more pressure on the wolves than they have felt so far this game.

08-09-2007, 10:36 AM	#691
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	One flaw in my theory is that the people the seer viewed may be dead

08-09-2007, 10:41 AM	#693
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	However, if that happened, it's not like the bodyguard would announce it. So we may be okay.

08-09-2007, 10:52 AM	#695
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I don't have a list but a few observations Gonzo has been much quieter then last game. DT's play has been oddly aggressive considering how wrong he was. Hoops seems much more concerned about winning games, and letting everyone know he was the catalyst, then finding wolves.

08-09-2007, 10:57 AM	#697
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	I agree about Gonzo. I see him in the thread -- Gonzo, any thoughts?

08-09-2007, 11:01 AM	#700
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Dola- To elaborate. As a wolf one of the most important things you can do is attempt to establish trust with the villagers. Some people do it different ways. AlanT doeas alot of analysis for example. some poeple cast an early vote on one of their fellow wolves to gain trust, etc... In this game a potential way to seem "valuable" to the village is by helping win games, which Hoops is doing. And pointing out the fact that he is such a big help. Seems to me the best way for a potential wolf to gain trust in this game.

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