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Dola .. I think that Bettman would've been better served to let Phaneuf handle the discipline. At least make Avery play, and then go from there.
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While it's hard to draw lines sometimes, I think the difference between Joey Porter and Avery is that Avery went after Phaneuf's girlfriend (not to mention Mike Comrie's and Jarret Stoll's girlfriends as well). Personal attacks on other players are one thing, personal attacks on girlfriends, wives, family, etc. are a slightly different breed. Also, I'm sure things 100 times worse are said between players on the ice. Avery's past and the whole orchestrated nature of the comments certainly played a role. He sought out the reporters. It was totally staged. I appreciate what Avery was trying to do (for example, I fully planned to record the game, but didn't once I heard Avery was suspended), but I don't think the NHL is too far off the mark on this one.
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I understand the suspension .. Just not a fan of it. At least have a hearing before make indefinite. With anyone else I feel like they would've held them out for the night then decided from there. |
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I think past behaviour played a role, and that's totally justifiable.
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Again, I don't disagee, but every time he does something it feels like there is a knee-jerk reaction from the league. Obviously there is a problem with Avery but the NHL could use any publicity they can get, and a cocky punk calling out a Hollywood star who's boyfriend is a beast, and already hates Avery is great. |
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maybe Bettman realized that Phaneuf is a big pussy
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12-03-2008, 01:20 PM | #658 |
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12-03-2008, 01:30 PM | #659 | |
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But he was also going after his own ex('s)? So now that's policeable? I hope none of these guys end up in divorce court.
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WTF? (runs off to check WRAL) If true, gee, the team has had trouble playing with passion SINCE THEY CAME TO NORTH CAROLINA, and we're going to bring back a coach who couldn't get them to do it to replace another one who couldn't? Jim Rutherford seems to be admired in hockey circles, but year after year they put out a team that only plays hard in stretches. They played hard for one 6-month stretch and turned it into a Stanley Cup, but that's it. They've been an underachieving team for a long time, and something more fundamental has to change. Or in other words, I think Maurice and Laviolette are both pretty good coaches, and I don't think either one is the problem here.
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Carolina needs Tortorella.
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I'd say ther/her status as Phaneuf's (Comrie's, Stoll's) girlfriend(s) trump(s) their/her status as "his own ex('s). For example, let's say Cuthbert was now dating Brendan Fraser, Rachel Hunter was dating Keifer Sutherland and Hillary Duff was dating Jim Carrey (all Canadian actors) and Avery said: "I am really happy to be back in Calgary, I love Canada. I just want to comment on how it's become like a common thing in the for actors to fall in love with my sloppy seconds. I don't know what that's about. Enjoy the game tonight." That would be a very odd and random comment about Avery's ex's, but I don't think it would have led to him being suspended. I think the fact that he went after other players' SOs was, among other things, what made it suspensionable.
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ESPN - NHL Attendance Leaders - National Hockey League
RNK TEAM AVG 1 Chicago 21,485 2 Montreal 21,273 3 Detroit 19,726 4 Toronto 19,311 5 Philadelphia 19,303 6 Calgary 19,289 7 Ottawa 19,031 8 St. Louis 18,978 9 Vancouver 18,630 10 Minnesota 18,568 11 Buffalo 18,562 12 NY Rangers 18,130 13 Dallas 17,816 14 Washington 17,765 15 San Jose 17,473 16 Edmonton 16,839 17 Anaheim 16,809 18 Pittsburgh 16,780 19 Tampa Bay 16,373 20 Colorado 16,272 21 Boston 16,169 22 Los Angeles 15,358 23 Florida 15,028 24 Carolina 14,843 25 Phoenix 14,703 26 New Jersey 14,668 27 Atlanta 13,988 28 Nashville 13,827 29 Columbus 13,781 30 NY Islanders 13,238 Was Bill Wirtz really the devil? Now it's time to start putting some chinks in Detroit's armor. Side-Rant: Anyone else hate the way the standing are calculated? Bring back the Patrick, Smythe, Adams, and Norris...bring back the old version of the playoffs(4 team divisional playoff) and I'll be happy. Minnesota/Detroit/Chicago should be in the same division Last edited by watravaler : 12-03-2008 at 02:25 PM. |
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No, I think it's fantastic that 25 or 26 teams finish over .500 every year. I think it really helps the NHL's credibility.
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Between this talk of Smythe divisions and ML's obscure retro jersey post I just read, I'm almost sick to my stomach with renewed Jets nostalgia. I'm very concerned that I'll find myself phoning around trying to order a custom Luciano Borsato jersey this weekend.
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Who was the up-and-coming young stud #40 in the early NHL games? Evgeny Davydov?
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Oh how I loved Davydov! I had multiple copies of his rookie cards, I thought I was going to be rich some day.
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I don't think he was number 40 though... I'm going to look it up.
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Looks like Davydov was #11 and #40, so we are both right!
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I'll never forget Davydov getting his head split open by that camera in Edmonton during one of the Jets' epic playoff runs.
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And I'm still flabbergasted that taking a mild and accurate poke at somebody about who their dating is actionable. Seems more like Bettman power tripping than anything else AFAIC.
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playing for the Wolfpack? He's an idiot. I don't know if it's suspendable, but he's an idiot. This has probably already been said but, he acts like he was her first....maybe 101st, but not first. Send him back to Vogue and get him out of the NHL.
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Just because it's accurate doesn't mean it needs to be said in front of a gallery of cameras and tape recorders.
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Also agree with others, suspend him AFTER the Calgary game. Let Phaneuf chase him around, let Avery turtle. Let that at least happen first.
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Why?? So Phaneuf can land himself in hot water with Colin Campbell after he opens up Avery's for face for 15 stitches?? Yeah, that makes sense. Chain Avery and PacMan Jones together at the ankles and let them loose in Vegas with a camera crew following them...leave the NHL (and the NFL) alone. |
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It doesn't make sense for Phaneuf or for Calgary as a team. But for everyone else, they'd be rooting for it. I wonder if they could have given Avery an extra 2 for instigating?
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seriously, you guys HAVE watched Phaneuf play, right? Are we talking about a brother of his or something?
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Sure, I've seen Phaneuf NOT fight...yer right...but that bastard can hit like the best of them.
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I agree with, DD. Phaneuf is big and strong, but he tends to shrink away from this kind of thing. I remember back in the 2007 playoffs when the Wings had Bertuzzi. Just the mere presence of Bertuzzi was enough to make Phanuef all sheepish and quiet. As entertaining as the game last night might have been if Avery was kept in the line-up (if Phanuef didn't do something it's likely someone on Calgary would have), I am not sure that would have been good for the league. It had the potential to turn into a pretty ugly affair.
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Yeah, since that whole "no personality allowed" thing is working out so well for NASCAR these days. Sorry, but Avery is easily one of the ten most entertaining things about the NHL at this point, it's beyond idiotic of them to do anything to muzzle the guy over something as insignificant as this.
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Precisely why he has to go...antics like his take away from the true ten most entertaining things about the NHL. Flip it over to Jackass or The Real World if you want to watch Avery-like entertainment. Last edited by johnnyshaka : 12-03-2008 at 05:28 PM. |
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The Jets fans here can relate.
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Riiiiight. I'm not sure at this point there are even ten entertaining things left in the league ... and that's coming from a guy who is even willing to follow minor league hockey a good bit closer than the average consumer (i.e. it's not as though I don't have some degree of interest otherwise). Teams are largely generic, ditto the players, at least Avery has some personality to make him compelling. Even the most skilled/flashiest players are starting to become fairly interchangeable to me at this point.
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Long way between full-time SE and having at least a few interesting personalities in a sport. Avery is one of the precious few of the latter in hockey today, a sport who has enough marketing handicaps without trying to make every player as dull as possible.
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You're right. I'm sure we can all have more fun on this forum to if we go insulting the significant others of posters on this board too. There isn't a line that can be crossed at all - is there? Come on - this guy went up to the reporters, asked the camera guy to turn his camera on, and then said this obviously reheased line - that was pathetic. I don't see how anything like that should be encouraged.
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Your point would resonate with me more if your wife wasn't such an inbred hick. Hey check it out guys! I'm cool!
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Is that significant other your ex? I'm just not seeing the issue here at all. Jokes about that sort of thing aren't exactly anything new, and definitely nothing new in a jockocracy or even just in a male dominated environment. Not even remotely OOB in my opinion nor in my experience.
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I'll just hang around & wait for someone else to not get what you were shooting for there. Has reasonable unintentional comedy value if the predictable misunderstanding occurs. Then again, it's almost certainly completely irrelevant to the situation at hand since the odds of you having dated her in the past are relatively slim.
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Who said 'past'? I'm dating that ho right now! Uhhhnnn! Anyways, I'm not surprised that we disagree on this, nor am I surprised that you don't get what I was aiming at.
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No, I'm pretty sure I got it, I was referring to the likelihood that someone else wouldn't. But what you seem likely to have been aiming for has nothing whatsoever in common with what Avery did. He has a direct connection to the ex's, whereas your example with me/mine is random.
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You're right, it's a joke and between guys it wouldn't even garner a second thought but when you make that comment in front a dozen media folk with their recording devices pointing right at you, then you're no longer joking around with your buddies...you are making a statement to who knows how many millions of people...most of whom aren't your buddies. Next time you're in front of a dozen TV cameras I dare you to call one of your male competitors/co-workers (but that person has to have kids) a mofo. I know if I did that I'd be reprimanded but more likely fired...why should Avery be treated any differently? |
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I don't really care that he has a direct connection or not, the statement as it was delivered (like a little PSA) is retarded and uncalled for either way. My point is that both he and I were acting like douchebags trying to get attention. And as johnny points out above, if I said anything remotely similar at the speaking engagement I'm doing tomorrow, I'd get canned so fast my head would spin.
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I have a few comments on all of this, amongst other things.
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