It's Here! The Thread For the 2003-04 NHL Regular Season! - Page 14

Maple Leafs · 03-03-2004, 08:29 AM

Dunham is terrible.

With the acquisition of Kovalev and the presence of Theodore, the Habs are now officially a "scary team". Meaning every single playoff team in the East is now scary, except for the Islanders.

sachmo71 · 03-03-2004, 08:41 AM

I think Dunham on a good team would be scary.

klayman · 03-03-2004, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Dunham is terrible.

With the acquisition of Kovalev and the presence of Theodore, the Habs are now officially a "scary team". Meaning every single playoff team in the East is now scary, except for the Islanders.

Come on. The leafs aren't that scary either

Maple Leafs · 03-03-2004, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by klayman

Come on. The leafs aren't that scary either

Bastard.

The Leafs are a very scary team, but only with several "ifs". If Belfour is healthy, and if the veterans can stay in the lineup, and if the defense can be at least average, then they can beat any team in the league in a seven game series.

Right now, if I was handicapping the East I'd put the Leafs as the #4 seed.

Draft Dodger · 03-03-2004, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Interesting rumors about the FoD looking to fire Granato and hire Quenville. I could see that happening, especially if the FoD countinue to play like poop the next few games. There's precedent for this type of thing happening late in the season and it being successful (see: Robinson and the Devils).

they should have never booted Hartley, but it's too late to fix that. Firing Granato would send the wrong message to the players - THEY aren't performing, not Granato, and they need to get their act together rather than have Lacroix bail them out with yet another coaching change.

the biggest thing the Avs need is a healthy Peter Forsberg. For all the talent on that team, he is by far the key ingredient. When you have him in the lineup, he puts a tremendous amount of 5-on-5 pressure on the other teams - they have to focus so much energy on him that it creates a domino effect of freeing up the rest of the guys to score. he makes everyone else better on that team. when he's out...production from everyone else goes down.

I'm pretty sure they will get a goalie for insurance. I still say Kolzig, but Dunham makes sense too. What's the story on Khabibulin? Are the Bolts keeping him?

The Avs do not need Sergei Gonchar.

Honolulu_Blue · 03-03-2004, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

they should have never booted Hartley, but it's too late to fix that. Firing Granato would send the wrong message to the players - THEY aren't performing, not Granato, and they need to get their act together rather than have Lacroix bail them out with yet another coaching change.

the biggest thing the Avs need is a healthy Peter Forsberg. For all the talent on that team, he is by far the key ingredient. When you have him in the lineup, he puts a tremendous amount of 5-on-5 pressure on the other teams - they have to focus so much energy on him that it creates a domino effect of freeing up the rest of the guys to score. he makes everyone else better on that team. when he's out...production from everyone else goes down.

I'm pretty sure they will get a goalie for insurance. I still say Kolzig, but Dunham makes sense too. What's the story on Khabibulin? Are the Bolts keeping him?

The Avs do not need Sergei Gonchar.

I don't think the Bolts have any plans to trade Khabibulin. I know there was a lot of talk about that during the off-season and earlier in the year, but I think those have cooled. Most of it arose when Bhulin was benched in the play-offs for Grahame. Bulin has established himself firmly as the team's #1 goalie. THey have been playing well and are likely to be buyers rather than sellers as the deadline approaches, especially after the Sydor deal.

The FoD do need Forsberg. If Roy was the Emperor, Forsberg is Vader (though I usually like to think of Roy as Vader, but I couldn't come up with any other really cool guy, tough individual from the Empire. Boba Fett, maybe, but he was a bounty hunter, not an official Imperial. The rest of them were bumbling idiots for the most part. Anyway, where was I?). Forsberg is awesome. Arguably the best player in the NHL for the last few years. The FoD just aren't the same team without him.

I agree, they should have never booted Hartley. Maybe a coaching change is needed though, a little kick in the ass or something...

Maple Leafs · 03-03-2004, 10:11 AM

Gonchar to Boston is a done deal.

Honolulu_Blue · 03-03-2004, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Gonchar to Boston is a done deal.

Interesting... The Bruins have needed a puck-moving defenseman since they traded that one guy who was pretty good at it.

This why you've got to love this board. All the info any sports/computer geek would ever want, up-to-the-minute.

Draft Dodger · 03-03-2004, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Gonchar to Boston is a done deal.

ha ha ha ha.

I'm sorry - I thought you just said that Boston made a deadline trade. I'm laughing so hard my sides hurt.

sterlingice · 03-03-2004, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Gonchar to Boston is a done deal.

Ah, found the story. Is there anything TSN.ca doesn't know about hockey? They always seem to break stories first when I'm looking for info.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=74738
"Sources told TSN the deal is likely to be defenceman Shaone Morrisonn and two draft picks."

SI

Maple Leafs · 03-03-2004, 10:25 AM

From the "That couldn't possibly happen... could it?" file: rumors keep circulating that the Blues will move Chris Pronger to the Leafs.

bbor · 03-03-2004, 11:10 AM

Reports are Gonchar is gone to the Bruins....it is either a 2 pick 1 player trade....or a 2 player 1 pick trade...I did'nt see them in this at all.

bbor · 03-03-2004, 11:15 AM

Roberts and green fought???

How did i miss that???

Who won?

sachmo71 · 03-03-2004, 11:18 AM

Gonchar, Heinze, and Thorton on the powerplay...yikes.

Maple Leafs · 03-03-2004, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by bbor

Who won?

Green turtled. It wasn't much of a fight, actually. Green dropped his gloves and then quickly realized that he was Travis Green.

Draft Dodger · 03-03-2004, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by sachmo71

Gonchar, Heinze, and Thorton on the powerplay...yikes.

Heinze?

Murray perhaps?

Draft Dodger · 03-03-2004, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

From the "That couldn't possibly happen... could it?" file: rumors keep circulating that the Blues will move Chris Pronger to the Leafs.

that couldn't possibly happen...could it?

henry296 · 03-03-2004, 11:52 AM

When is the trading deadline?

Todd

sachmo71 · 03-03-2004, 11:57 AM

Murray is right.

Honolulu_Blue · 03-03-2004, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by henry296

When is the trading deadline?

Todd

Next Tuesday, March 9.

Travis · 03-03-2004, 06:08 PM

NEDVED TO THE OILERS! NEDVED TO THE OILERS!

Sorry, apparently we're supposed to be overwhelmed by our 'rent-a-player' trade that'll put us over the hump and help us climb those last 6 points to the 8th and final playoff spot.

But hey, we'll still play Oates as our top center, don't you worry.

Draft Dodger · 03-03-2004, 07:15 PM

Leafs get Leetch

sachmo71 · 03-03-2004, 07:47 PM

Wow, nice move for the Leafs.

chrisj · 03-03-2004, 07:54 PM

For Maxim Kondratiev, Jarkko Immonen, a first-round pick 2004 and a second-round pick 2005? A nice move, but a bit expensive...

Maple Leafs · 03-03-2004, 08:00 PM

Interesting move. A little bit more than I'd like to have seen them give up, but definetely a move that makes them better.

The two prospects are both well regarded and expected to be good NHL players, but neither is a blue chipper who I'd get especially excited about. Basically the sort of guys that every team has five or six of at all times.

Ksyrup · 03-03-2004, 08:36 PM

Damn, I may show up in DC or NY to suit up. Who's left?

Pyser · 03-03-2004, 08:50 PM

why couldnt the rangers have sent leetch out west? why oh why?

these trades would be such a bigger deal if anyone thought these players would be playing for these random teams next season....

Maple Leafs · 03-03-2004, 09:18 PM

There is no next season.

Pyser · 03-03-2004, 09:35 PM

exactly my point.

sachmo71 · 03-03-2004, 10:05 PM

Guerin pots his 3rd hat trick of the season...all at home.

bbor · 03-03-2004, 10:06 PM

Hrm...I like Leetch,he still has another season on his deal too..which is good....if there is a season.Kondratiev has gone back to Russia...so who knows if he will ever return...i dunno much about Immonen.1st rounder and 2nd rounder are crap shoots.

I would say this favours the Leafs now....but this deal has a LOT futures for the Rangers,which,if we know the Rangers,they will blow to pick up expensive veteran burnouts near the trade deadline next season

bbor · 03-03-2004, 10:07 PM

Dola-I thought perhaps Lindross would have been included in this deal.

bbor · 03-03-2004, 10:10 PM

Triple Dola Datsyuk goes to hospital for x-rays...Draper is out a month after running into Joseph at practice.....And Maltby breaks his hand during tonights game.

How ya feeling H_B?

Datsyuk is the ONLY player in the NHL i would pay to watch play shinny on a pond.This guy has got moves that are made for shinny

Draft Dodger · 03-03-2004, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by bbor

Hrm...I like Leetch,he still has another season on his deal too..which is good....if there is a season.Kondratiev has gone back to Russia...so who knows if he will ever return...i dunno much about Immonen.1st rounder and 2nd rounder are crap shoots.

I would say this favours the Leafs now....but this deal has a LOT futures for the Rangers,which,if we know the Rangers,they will blow to pick up expensive veteran burnouts near the trade deadline next season

I agree, although what strikes me is that this is pretty similar to the Gonchar deal, except that Gonchar is cheaper, younger and better.

klayman · 03-03-2004, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis

NEDVED TO THE OILERS! NEDVED TO THE OILERS!

Sorry, apparently we're supposed to be overwhelmed by our 'rent-a-player' trade that'll put us over the hump and help us climb those last 6 points to the 8th and final playoff spot.

Just so we can lose in the 1st round anyway.

Draft Dodger · 03-03-2004, 11:35 PM

anyone get the chance to see the Avs/Canucks tonight? Great, great hockey game.
the Avs played their usual game - get a lead, blow the lead, repeat a few times, and then hang on until OT. still, a fun, exciting game to watch - probably the best I've seen all year.

Pyser · 03-04-2004, 12:04 AM

5 points for gomez tonight. devils fans shake their heads...

bbor · 03-04-2004, 12:09 AM

DD, Gonchar is arbitration eligable after this season,that is the biggest difference.And as we've seen from Boston and Sinden before,they will walk away from a salary arbitration deal.Remermber Kristich?The Bruins won that arbitration case and still walked away from the deal.

Leetch still has another full season on his deal....but if there is a strike it will be a moot point.

sterlingice · 03-04-2004, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Damn, I may show up in DC or NY to suit up. Who's left?

Hasn't Pittsburgh been running a "Show up in the stands and play for us" promotion all year?

SI

Travis · 03-04-2004, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by klayman

Just so we can lose in the 1st round anyway.

Hey now, at least with all that extra revenue from the 2 or 3 home games in that first round, we can afford to keep all our rising stars, you know, like when we kept.......uh.......and..........well..............

NEDVED RULES!

Wow, it just keeps getting harder and harder to be a hockey fan in Edmonton.

Honolulu_Blue · 03-04-2004, 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by bbor

Triple Dola Datsyuk goes to hospital for x-rays...Draper is out a month after running into Joseph at practice.....And Maltby breaks his hand during tonights game.

How ya feeling H_B?

Datsyuk is the ONLY player in the NHL i would pay to watch play shinny on a pond.This guy has got moves that are made for shinny

Piss off, you hoser!

Wow. A fella is without internet access for a night and all hell breaks loose. Players traded, half of the Wings down with injury... Sacre Bleu! I will need more time to take this all in before I fully comprehend everything.

For the injuries, I can only say one thing. Let's just hope they all get back and are healthy for the play-offs. I'd be much more concerned about this if it were April 3 and not March 3. Though, it sucks. There is no guarantee they will be back healthy for the play-offs and even so, it will likely take a week or two to really get back into things. It sucks especially for Draper who was playing so well. This kind of thing can derail that. Fucking Joseph.

klayman · 03-04-2004, 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

Hasn't Pittsburgh been running a "Show up in the stands and play for us" promotion all year?

SI

And they still haven't been able to fill a full team.

klayman · 03-04-2004, 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Travis

NEDVED RULES!

Wow, it just keeps getting harder and harder to be a hockey fan in Edmonton.

That's for sure. I might have to cheer for the Leafs this year. Ugh. Now I feel dirty.

klayman · 03-04-2004, 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Wow. A fella is without internet access for a night and all hell breaks loose. Players traded, half of the Wings down with injury... Sacre Bleu! I will need more time to take this all in before I fully comprehend everything.

Sounds like we might have to find a way for H_B to lose his internet connection, sometime around April.

Honolulu_Blue · 03-04-2004, 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by klayman

Sounds like we might have to find a way for H_B to lose his internet connection, sometime around April.

You're an evil man, Klay! Not that I would expect anything else from a dirty Red Shite like yourself.

But that's it, I'm getting internet access on my mobile phone now. I aint going 15 minutes without checking it. Ever.

Honolulu_Blue · 03-04-2004, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by klayman

Just so we can lose in the 1st round anyway.

Don't be so negative. So long as you don't play Dallas you may have a shot.

I think it's good move for the Oil. It means the team isn't giving up hope and adds Nedved adds some offensive punch, which the Oilers definitely need. Ryan Smyth is good and all, but he shouldn't be any teams best offensive player. He's a great winger to have play along side your best offensive player, but shouldn't be carrying the load. Nedved's been arguably the Rangers best player all year. He's been a real trooper. He's slightly more matured now than back in the past. Maybe after Nedved arrives the Oil will actually have a power-play. Rumor has it that they have started refusing the man advantage completely...

klayman · 03-04-2004, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Don't be so negative. So long as you don't play Dallas you may have a shot.

I think it's good move for the Oil. It means the team isn't giving up hope and adds Nedved adds some offensive punch, which the Oilers definitely need. Ryan Smyth is good and all, but he shouldn't be any teams best offensive player. He's a great winger to have play along side your best offensive player, but shouldn't be carrying the load. Nedved's been arguably the Rangers best player all year. He's been a real trooper. He's slightly more matured now than back in the past. Maybe after Nedved arrives the Oil will actually have a power-play. Rumor has it that they have started refusing the man advantage completely...

You obviously haven't seen Salo play lately...

klayman · 03-04-2004, 06:56 AM

dola

And paraphasing the great Shankly, there are 2 great teams on Merseyside. The Liverpool first team, and the Liverpool reserves.

Honolulu_Blue · 03-04-2004, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by klayman

You obviously haven't seen Salo play lately...

No, I haven't. I've basically assumed his been shite since that Belarus game in the Olympics. I watched the Sweden/Finland game during the World Championships last summer. He was brutal.

Also, rumor has it, that Salo knocked-up his girlfriend. When his wife found out about this, she responded by telling Tomi that she had been hooking up with Comrie for months before he was traded. Poor guy has a lot on his mind right now...

Maple Leafs · 03-04-2004, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

I agree, although what strikes me is that this is pretty similar to the Gonchar deal, except that Gonchar is cheaper, younger and better.

Cheaper and younger, for sure. Probably better offensively at this point in his career. I'd take Leetch over Gonchar to protect a lead, though. Leetch has never been great defensively, of course, but at least he's got the veteran smarts that Gonchar has never really displayed, and Leetch can handle the physical game a little better.

So do you take "younger, cheaper, better, never won anything" or "older, smarter, almost as good and with a ring and a conn smythe"? Tough call, but I guess the Leafs (and Bruins) have made theirs.

03-03-2004, 08:29 AM	#651
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	Dunham is terrible. With the acquisition of Kovalev and the presence of Theodore, the Habs are now officially a "scary team". Meaning every single playoff team in the East is now scary, except for the Islanders. __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

03-03-2004, 10:11 AM	#657
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	Gonchar to Boston is a done deal. __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

03-03-2004, 10:25 AM	#661
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	From the "That couldn't possibly happen... could it?" file: rumors keep circulating that the Blues will move Chris Pronger to the Leafs. __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

03-03-2004, 11:10 AM	#662
bbor Pro Starter Join Date: May 2001 Location: toronto	Reports are Gonchar is gone to the Bruins....it is either a 2 pick 1 player trade....or a 2 player 1 pick trade...I did'nt see them in this at all. __________________ Pumpy Tudors Now that I've cracked and made that admission, I wonder if I'm only a couple of steps away from wanting to tongue-kiss Jaromir Jagr and give Bobby Clarke a blowjob.

03-03-2004, 11:15 AM	#663
bbor Pro Starter Join Date: May 2001 Location: toronto	Roberts and green fought??? How did i miss that??? Who won? __________________ Pumpy Tudors Now that I've cracked and made that admission, I wonder if I'm only a couple of steps away from wanting to tongue-kiss Jaromir Jagr and give Bobby Clarke a blowjob.

03-03-2004, 08:41 AM	#652
sachmo71 The boy who cried Trout Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: TX	I think Dunham on a good team would be scary.

03-03-2004, 11:18 AM	#664
sachmo71 The boy who cried Trout Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: TX	Gonchar, Heinze, and Thorton on the powerplay...yikes.

03-03-2004, 11:52 AM	#668
henry296 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	When is the trading deadline? Todd __________________ "It's a great day for hockey" - "Badger" Bob Johnson

03-03-2004, 11:57 AM	#669
sachmo71 The boy who cried Trout Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: TX	Murray is right. Last edited by sachmo71 : 03-03-2004 at 11:57 AM.

03-03-2004, 06:08 PM	#671
Travis Pro Rookie Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Canada eh	NEDVED TO THE OILERS! NEDVED TO THE OILERS! Sorry, apparently we're supposed to be overwhelmed by our 'rent-a-player' trade that'll put us over the hump and help us climb those last 6 points to the 8th and final playoff spot. But hey, we'll still play Oates as our top center, don't you worry. __________________ "I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it." - Rogers Hornsby

03-03-2004, 07:15 PM	#672
Draft Dodger Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Keene, NH	Leafs get Leetch __________________ Mile High Hockey

03-03-2004, 07:47 PM	#673
sachmo71 The boy who cried Trout Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: TX	Wow, nice move for the Leafs.

03-03-2004, 07:54 PM	#674
chrisj H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Edmonton, Alberta (but still wishing I was in Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada)	For Maxim Kondratiev, Jarkko Immonen, a first-round pick 2004 and a second-round pick 2005? A nice move, but a bit expensive...

03-03-2004, 08:00 PM	#675
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	Interesting move. A little bit more than I'd like to have seen them give up, but definetely a move that makes them better. The two prospects are both well regarded and expected to be good NHL players, but neither is a blue chipper who I'd get especially excited about. Basically the sort of guys that every team has five or six of at all times. __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

03-03-2004, 08:36 PM	#676
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Damn, I may show up in DC or NY to suit up. Who's left? __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

03-03-2004, 08:50 PM	#677
Pyser Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Los Angeles	why couldnt the rangers have sent leetch out west? why oh why? these trades would be such a bigger deal if anyone thought these players would be playing for these random teams next season....

03-03-2004, 09:18 PM	#678
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	There is no next season. __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

03-03-2004, 09:35 PM	#679
Pyser Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Los Angeles	exactly my point.

03-03-2004, 10:05 PM	#680
sachmo71 The boy who cried Trout Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: TX	Guerin pots his 3rd hat trick of the season...all at home.

03-03-2004, 10:06 PM	#681
bbor Pro Starter Join Date: May 2001 Location: toronto	Hrm...I like Leetch,he still has another season on his deal too..which is good....if there is a season.Kondratiev has gone back to Russia...so who knows if he will ever return...i dunno much about Immonen.1st rounder and 2nd rounder are crap shoots. I would say this favours the Leafs now....but this deal has a LOT futures for the Rangers,which,if we know the Rangers,they will blow to pick up expensive veteran burnouts near the trade deadline next season __________________ Pumpy Tudors Now that I've cracked and made that admission, I wonder if I'm only a couple of steps away from wanting to tongue-kiss Jaromir Jagr and give Bobby Clarke a blowjob.

03-03-2004, 10:07 PM	#682
bbor Pro Starter Join Date: May 2001 Location: toronto	Dola-I thought perhaps Lindross would have been included in this deal. __________________ Pumpy Tudors Now that I've cracked and made that admission, I wonder if I'm only a couple of steps away from wanting to tongue-kiss Jaromir Jagr and give Bobby Clarke a blowjob.

03-03-2004, 10:10 PM	#683
bbor Pro Starter Join Date: May 2001 Location: toronto	Triple Dola Datsyuk goes to hospital for x-rays...Draper is out a month after running into Joseph at practice.....And Maltby breaks his hand during tonights game. How ya feeling H_B? Datsyuk is the ONLY player in the NHL i would pay to watch play shinny on a pond.This guy has got moves that are made for shinny __________________ Pumpy Tudors Now that I've cracked and made that admission, I wonder if I'm only a couple of steps away from wanting to tongue-kiss Jaromir Jagr and give Bobby Clarke a blowjob.

03-03-2004, 11:35 PM	#686
Draft Dodger Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Keene, NH	anyone get the chance to see the Avs/Canucks tonight? Great, great hockey game. the Avs played their usual game - get a lead, blow the lead, repeat a few times, and then hang on until OT. still, a fun, exciting game to watch - probably the best I've seen all year. __________________ Mile High Hockey

03-04-2004, 12:04 AM	#687
Pyser Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Los Angeles	5 points for gomez tonight. devils fans shake their heads...

03-04-2004, 12:09 AM	#688
bbor Pro Starter Join Date: May 2001 Location: toronto	DD, Gonchar is arbitration eligable after this season,that is the biggest difference.And as we've seen from Boston and Sinden before,they will walk away from a salary arbitration deal.Remermber Kristich?The Bruins won that arbitration case and still walked away from the deal. Leetch still has another full season on his deal....but if there is a strike it will be a moot point. __________________ Pumpy Tudors Now that I've cracked and made that admission, I wonder if I'm only a couple of steps away from wanting to tongue-kiss Jaromir Jagr and give Bobby Clarke a blowjob.

03-04-2004, 06:56 AM	#698
klayman College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Edmonton	dola And paraphasing the great Shankly, there are 2 great teams on Merseyside. The Liverpool first team, and the Liverpool reserves.

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