The OFFICIAL NHL 2009-10 Offseason Thread

[johnnyshaka]

Legends of Hockey - NHL Trophies - Stanley Cup

[Pyser]

that makes it sound like the cup era really started in 1926....and ottawa only won once since then.

oh well. i should just be happy i got it and shut up.

[Fidatelo]

Originally Posted by Pyser

that makes it sound like the cup era really started in 1926....and ottawa only won once since then.

oh well. i should just be happy i got it and shut up.

More correctly the 'NHL era' began in 1926. The Cup has been around since the late 1800's and that's why Ottawa counts.

I've always been curious as to how the NHL got sole rights to the cup. I'd love to see some team from Europe or Russia try to dig up an obscure document that would somehow legally let them (and other) clubs try to compete for it as well.

[Draft Dodger]

Originally Posted by Pyser

for the sake of confusion, i wouldnt count teams that moved. the avalanche are not the nordiques, for example

wouldn't matter. Quebec never won one, 2 for Colorado

[Pyser]

yeah, but winnipeg and phoe....er, hartford and caro.....or minnesota and dal....damnit!

[johnnyshaka]

Since 1910, when the National Hockey Association took possession of the Stanley Cup, the trophy has been symbolic of professional hockey supremacy. Beginning in 1926, only NHL teams have competed for this prized trophy.

Quoted from the link I posted above...the Senators were part of the NHL or NHA between '10-'26 and won the Cup versus the Pacific Coast Hockey League winners (read about the NHL/NHA vs. PCHL I think on wikipedia).

[Suburban Rhythm]

Kotalik to the Ranger, $9M over 3

Boynton to the Ducks, $1.5M for 1

Also, Tampa signs Hedman and signs Kurtis Foster. So after learning last year you should sign 84 forwards and no defense, they have changed their ways...and signed 76 defense this summer, and no forwards.

July 2010-- goaltenders

[Logan]

Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

Kotalik to the Ranger, $9M over 3

See ya Zherdev.

[bbor]

Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

Kotalik to the Ranger, $9M over 3

Boynton to the Ducks, $1.5M for 1

Also, Tampa signs Hedman and signs Kurtis Foster. So after learning last year you should sign 84 forwards and no defense, they have changed their ways...and signed 76 defense this summer, and no forwards.

July 2010-- goaltenders

Brian Burke is Tampas GM too??

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

What about Jay McKee? I completely lost track of him after he went to St. Louis and was injured all the time, but before all of that, he was a pretty solid defender in Buffalo and a great shot blocker.

Given his recent history, I imagine he could be had for a reasonable amount.

Jay McKee signs with Pittsburgh at a very reasonable $800K one year deal. If he stays healthy, it's a great signing and should help coushin the blow from the loss of Scuderi and Gill.

[Fidatelo]

Originally Posted by Logan

See ya Zherdev.

Is Zherdev a free agent? And do you really think that Kotalik is a decent replacement? That dude seems like a stiff to me (not that Zherdev is hot shit either, but still). I can't believe their going to pay 3 mil a year for a guy to put up 40 points and a negative +/-...

[Chief Rum]

Ducks have made some nice moves on a tight budget.

Looks like Lupul--Getzlaf--Perry, and Ryan--Koivu--Selanne on the top two lines, and Ebbett and Christensen also around to provide some offensive pop. Marchant, Noki, Carter, Miller, Brown--a solid checking line group.

Now the D has Nieds, Wiz (after arb), Whitney and Boynton as a Top 4 D, with a whole host of talented kids ready to fill in the third pairing, including Sbisa, Salcido, Mitera, Festerling, Mikelssen.

Plenty of talent at both ends for special teams.

And Hiller and Jiggy return in net. San Jose has to take a step back, and if they do, that's a Ducks team that can catch them.

[Dr. Sak]

If the Ducks can afford it (not money but with talent), I think it'd be best for them to let Sbisa play a year in the AHL. He's going to be good but I think a year in the minors would really help his development.

You also want to keep an eye on Lupul and keep him away from the local high schools and college hot spots if you want him to be coherent for games the next night.

[RomaGoth]

I thought he was a good goalie...err, at least in EHM '07 he was. Now he is a backup in Tampa?

NHL free agents: Antero Niittymaki signed by Tampa Bay Lightning - ESPN

[Honolulu_Blue]

Travis Moen to the Habs. 3 years.

Paul Mara also signed a 1 year deal with Montreal.

Brendan Morrison signs a 1 year deal with the Capitals.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Jay McKee signs with Pittsburgh at a very reasonable $800K one year deal. If he stays healthy, it's a great signing and should help coushin the blow from the loss of Scuderi and Gill.

That is a steal. Doesn't hurt that he's getting $1.3M from St Louis to go away.

Something that jumped out at me about it-- Scuderi 30, McKee 31. Seems like Jay McKee should be like 40 by now.

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Travis Moen to the Habs. 3 years.

Paul Mara also signed a 1 year deal with Montreal.

Brendan Morrison signs a 1 year deal with the Capitals.

What better- Morrison or Nylander?

[Suburban Rhythm]

Originally Posted by Fidatelo

Is Zherdev a free agent? And do you really think that Kotalik is a decent replacement? That dude seems like a stiff to me (not that Zherdev is hot shit either, but still). I can't believe their going to pay 3 mil a year for a guy to put up 40 points and a negative +/-...

Zherdev is an RFA, but wants $3M+

Add to it the Rangers now have Gaborik, Kotalik and Callahan on the right side...

They'll either move him now, or walk away from his arbitration salary.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

Something that jumped out at me about it-- Scuderi 30, McKee 31. Seems like Jay McKee should be like 40 by now.

I, too, was surprised at how young McKee still is.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

Zherdev is an RFA, but wants $3M+

Add to it the Rangers now have Gaborik, Kotalik and Callahan on the right side...

They'll either move him now, or walk away from his arbitration salary.

He actually wants $4M+...if that's the award, they'll walk, but yeah I expect him to be sent out. Packaged with Roszival would be great.

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by RomaGoth

I thought he was a good goalie...err, at least in EHM '07 he was. Now he is a backup in Tampa?

NHL free agents: Antero Niittymaki signed by Tampa Bay Lightning - ESPN

He's got hip problems, Homer had offers for him at the deadline last year but knew he had hip issues. He said he didn't want to trade damaged goods to other teams.

He also has problems with shots going over his shoulders all the time since he is quick to go down.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Originally Posted by Logan

He actually wants $4M+...if that's the award, they'll walk, but yeah I expect him to be sent out. Packaged with Roszival would be great.

Are you attaching a few 1st round picks to that??

[Logan]

Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

Are you attaching a few 1st round picks to that??

You realize the Rangers got a solid young winger and a top defensive prospect for guy with a much worse contract and worse skills?

I'd have no problem keeping Roszival, he was actually fairly solid last year and the price isn't terrible. There's a market for him.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Originally Posted by Logan

You realize the Rangers got a solid young winger and a top defensive prospect for guy with a much worse contract and worse skills?

I'd have no problem keeping Roszival, he was actually fairly solid last year and the price isn't terrible. There's a market for him.

Are we talking about Gomez? Cause yeah his contract is worse, but Zherdev will be lucky if he has Gomez's career at this point.

Rozsival is a good #4 guy. He was always hurt in Pittsburgh, but showed potential. He was often tabbed as their future top pairing guy, but he never could stay healthy.

And $5M? Nice for a top pairing guy, but not a #4.

We are talking a combined $9M for a 2nd pairing D and 2nd lin winger.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

If the Ducks can afford it (not money but with talent), I think it'd be best for them to let Sbisa play a year in the AHL. He's going to be good but I think a year in the minors would really help his development.

You also want to keep an eye on Lupul and keep him away from the local high schools and college hot spots if you want him to be coherent for games the next night.

There's a pretty decent chance Sbisa won't be on the team out of camp actually. On top of the top four I mentioned, the Ducks are also bringing back Brookbank, who played well enough (and is a vet) to play in the third pairing, and both Festerling and Mikkelssen played more NHL games than Sbisa last year, and aren't bad. Salcido might also be ready, and he was considered the most talented of the Ducks' younger D-men at one point.

As for Lupes, well, we've already been down that road with him. As long as he hangs with Getz and Perry (which he used to do when he was here before), he'll usually be second or third choice, so hopefully that keeps him upright.

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by Logan

You realize the Rangers got a solid young winger and a top defensive prospect for guy with a much worse contract and worse skills?
.

You also traded him to a team who's GM is a retarded gorilla.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

You also traded him to a team who's GM is a retarded gorilla.

That's unfair...





to gorillas.

[bbor]

Why did Mckee get bought out/released from St.L?

Guy was lights out his last years in Buf.I'm actually surprised Buf did'nt sign him at that price,he was a fan favorite there.

[Dr. Sak]

http://njmg.typepad.com/d...e-a-head-coach-today.html

Devils to name a head coach today

The Devils have scheduled a 1:30 p.m. conference all today to make "a major announcement."

It is expected that they name a head coach at that time.

All signs point to Jacques Lemaire

This will be Lemaire's second stint as the team's head coach. He coached them from 1993-94 to 1997-98 and guided them to their first Stanley Cup in 1995.

Lemaire, who will turn 64 in September, coached the Minnesota Wild for the last nine years,but stepped down following the 2008-09 season.

According to a report from RDS in Canada, Lemaire's good friend Mario Tremblay will be joining him in New Jersey as an assiistant. Tremblay also was an assistant under Lemaire in Minnesota.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by bbor

Why did Mckee get bought out/released from St.L?

Guy was lights out his last years in Buf.I'm actually surprised Buf did'nt sign him at that price,he was a fan favorite there.

I think he had been moving down on the depth chart over the last few years, mainly becuase of injuries. The Blues must have decided that they couldn't afford to keep a 3rd, 4th, or possibly even 5th defense who couldn't stay healthy at around $4 million or so a year.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Two moves by the Rangers:

Ryan Callahan gets 2 years, $4.6M total.

Rangers trade Lauri Korpikoski to Phoenix for Enver Lisin

Not sure what to make of that deal. Lisin has the upside- he's got ridiculous speed and probably better offensive talent. But he could also bust big time; the Rangers might have Rico Fata pt II.

Korpikoski is pretty much a bottom 6 guy, but a PKer and you know what you'll get with him.

I guess the Rangers hoping for a boom with Lisin.

[Logan]

Korpedo was fun to watch, but I think you hit it on the description...just not enough upside and we have enough of those guys. There was some thought he was headed to the KHL.

Callahan got about what was thought.

[samifan24]

Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

Rangers trade Lauri Korpikoski to Phoenix for Enver Lisin

I like this move for the Rangers. They deal an average penalty killing forward for a high upside speedster. Lisin could develop into a pretty good goal scorer.

[Fidatelo]

I also like this deal for the Rangers. They don't lack for 3rd liners.

[Neuqua]

The Blackhawks fired GM Dale Tallon according to some reports?

Huh?

[Draft Dodger]

apparently, although none of the big ones seem to have this yet
The Fourth Period :: Chicago Blackhawks :: Blackhawks fire GM Tallon

[Logan]

First GM fired for a mailing issue?

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Logan

First GM fired for a mailing issue?

Pretty expensive mailing issue. It's like forgetting to mail in a lottery ticket. And it's going to look really expensive this time next year

If true, of course

SI

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Logan

First GM fired for a mailing issue?

There has to be more to it all than just that.

I'm pretty surprised by the firing. How do you fire your GM after your first playoff run in so many years and making it all the way to the conference finals?

Granted, the Blackhawks could have some difficulties after this year cap-wise, but to fire him now? Odd.

[Dr. Sak]

Ping Logan...

[Draft Dodger]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

There has to be more to it all than just that.

I'm pretty surprised by the firing. How do you fire your GM after your first playoff run in so many years and making it all the way to the conference finals?

Granted, the Blackhawks could have some difficulties after this year cap-wise, but to fire him now? Odd.

apparently, that was just the excuse. he was from the old regime and it's been rumored that the new regime wanted to bring in their own guy.

[Logan]

I hate Malkin more.

[RomaGoth]

Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

apparently, that was just the excuse. he was from the old regime and it's been rumored that the new regime wanted to bring in their own guy.

Kinda curious that they would do this after the free agent signing period. Why not get rid of him before hand and get their own guy in?

[Logan]

Thought this was interesting, hadn't seen it discussed:

FLYERS LIKELY WILL BE $AVED FROM OWN STUPIDITY - New York Post

Possibility of amnesty buyouts (one per team) for next summer with no cap hit to accomodate the potential shrinking cap.

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by Logan

I hate Malkin more.

Yeah he's dirty.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

Yeah he's dirty.

So can you get cracking on that shirt please?

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by Logan

Thought this was interesting, hadn't seen it discussed:

FLYERS LIKELY WILL BE $AVED FROM OWN STUPIDITY - New York Post

Possibility of amnesty buyouts (one per team) for next summer with no cap hit to accomodate the potential shrinking cap.

Yeah either that or they will pay a team (with picks) to take him off their hands. Someone who maybe needs to get to the cap floor. His cap hit stays at 4.9 (or whatever) but will only be owed 500k in each of the last 2 years.

[Logan]

I don't see why it won't happen. With the potential of a declining cap, I would think the players would rather have all their money up front, with the potential to earn more, instead of the possibility of being sent to the minors while also freeing up said declining cap space for other players to earn their raises.

[MikeVic]

Didn't read the article, but is that kind of like the Allan Houston rule in the NBA?

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by Logan

I don't see why it won't happen. With the potential of a declining cap, I would think the players would rather have all their money up front, with the potential to earn more, instead of the possibility of being sent to the minors while also freeing up said declining cap space for other players to earn their raises.

If the cap starts declining there are going to be a lot of teams besides the Flyers in cap trouble. Then you'll start having the trouble where teams could send players (without NMC) down to the AHL to free up cap space.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Logan

I don't see why it won't happen. With the potential of a declining cap, I would think the players would rather have all their money up front, with the potential to earn more, instead of the possibility of being sent to the minors while also freeing up said declining cap space for other players to earn their raises.

As much as I don't want to see the cap to decline sharply (and new reports indicate that it might not be that bad), it would be really interesting to see what would end up happening if, say, the cap fell to $50 million or so.

I think the amnesty, one buyout or so per team, option makes a lot of sense for the teams in trouble and the players. So, I can see the NHLPA getting on board.

You would then have a market full of your regular compliment of UFAs and RGAs and all of these formerly high-priced bought out players. So, you'd have more players than usual, but a lot less money to go around. Would guys be willing to take short term, small contracts? Would they head to the KHL to make their money?

It'd sort of remind me of my EHM career (before I edited the database), where you had all of these big name guys not in the league because there was simply no money left to sign them and they wouldn't accept smaller deals that could fit within anyone's cap or budget.