Obama versus McCain (versus the rest) - Page 139

Flasch186 · 10-07-2008, 08:37 PM

How can he continuously say "he wants to raise taxes" when that's not true AND no one can know what is going to happen since neither one is in office. IMO it goes back to trusting that 'my' candidate means what he says while the other guys doesn't mean what he says even if it's as good if not better than what my guy said. If you cant believe the plan than what the hell are we talking about....we might as well just go vote today.

Young Drachma · 10-07-2008, 08:38 PM

McCain is looking angry. Not confident, not presidential. Old and angry.

Ooh..more payola! Doubling child exemptions. Umm...McCain, what about single people?

Our first unscripted moment, where Obama asks to rebut what McCain said. Brokaw admonishes them to follow the rules set by both teams.

SirFozzie · 10-07-2008, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

I have a feeling that if that happens...we'll be the ones paying the price at the pump.

There is no right to record windfall profits. (yeah. I know, communist! Socialism! whatever)

SirFozzie · 10-07-2008, 08:39 PM

*laughs* Man, McCain's showing his age.. "like trying to nail Jello to a wall"?

Mac Howard · 10-07-2008, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

*laughs* Man, McCain's showing his age.. "like trying to nail Jello to a wall"?

I thought that was funny. Does that make me old?

King of New York · 10-07-2008, 08:41 PM

Obama takes the question about enititlement spending and works his way back to tax policy, so that he can answer McCain's last comment. Barry is learning how to fight back!

DaddyTorgo · 10-07-2008, 08:41 PM

you know what though: old and angry mccain scores low with voters.

i said earlier tonight to my folks that i feel like mccain is very close to cracking in terms of his temper - and if he goes over the edge he's totally lost it.

DaddyTorgo · 10-07-2008, 08:42 PM

mccain also walks around looking like a monkey with his arms very stiff and jerky

SirFozzie · 10-07-2008, 08:43 PM

McCain thinks solving Social Security is easy...

Damnit. if it wasn't for the fact Doc Sak would call me on it, I'd post a giant picture of the ORLY owl, right about now

Mac Howard · 10-07-2008, 08:44 PM

Bad news is - we lost

Passacaglia · 10-07-2008, 08:45 PM

Uh, it is easy. Put it in a lockbox.

King of New York · 10-07-2008, 08:45 PM

McCain is big on teh nukes! He has served on nuclear-powered ships and suffered no ill effects.

King of New York · 10-07-2008, 08:46 PM

Obama is also down with teh nukes, but we also must have windmills.

mauchow · 10-07-2008, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

mccain also walks around looking like a monkey with his arms very stiff and jerky

Yeah, even when he's not speaking he's still holding the microphone in the same spot.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if he's got an arm brace holding his arm in that spot as he probably couldn't hold it on his own the whole hour and a half.

Young Drachma · 10-07-2008, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

McCain thinks solving Social Security is easy...

Yeah, that was a bad move.

King of New York · 10-07-2008, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by mauboy1

Yeah, even when he's not speaking he's still holding the microphone in the same spot.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if he's got an arm brace holding his arm in that spot as he probably couldn't hold it on his own the whole hour and a half.

I agree that it looks bad, but I wonder if that is in some way related to the injuries that he suffered as a POW.

Mac Howard · 10-07-2008, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King of New York

McCain is big on teh nukes! He has served on nuclear-powered ships and suffered no ill effects.

But his eyes glow green in the dark

King of New York · 10-07-2008, 08:50 PM

McCain: we must drill offshore now. Must drill now! Right after this debate is over!

DaddyTorgo · 10-07-2008, 08:51 PM

fuck you mccain - you lying sack of shit

there is no drilling that can be done offshore that would result in any oil finding its way to our refineries within 10 years. we don't even have enough oil rigs to increase offshore drilling right now.

the only oil that we have on us soil that we can access within 10 years to decrease our dependence on foreign oil is in ANWR.

And that's from industry experts, not something i made up.

so talking about drilling as something that will ease oil prices tomorrow is flat-out lying to the public. and that pisses me off.

mauchow · 10-07-2008, 08:52 PM

If there was a concrete plan on SSI so that I wouldn't be burdened too much in the future(I'm 26), I'd vote for that candidate. I would venture to guess that we're a ways a way before we get a plan that could really work for everyone.

McCain.. easy to fix it?

You got my vote!!

Not.

Mac Howard · 10-07-2008, 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

fuck you mccain - you lying sack of shit.

Why don't you tell us how you really feel

mauchow · 10-07-2008, 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King of New York

McCain is big on teh nukes! He has served on nuclear-powered ships and suffered no ill effects.

Holy crap. I thought you were just joking when you said that(I'm five minutes behind... DVR'd). I just realized that he ACTUALLY said that. LOL

Flasch186 · 10-07-2008, 08:54 PM

Im surprised by tonight as I thought McCain's strong suit was townhall.

Hair transplants?

Young Drachma · 10-07-2008, 08:55 PM

Gold plated health care plans. Ugh. Why is he repeating that Bush line?! It flopped then and it's flopping now.

Did he not see the red light? I did...

King of New York · 10-07-2008, 08:55 PM

Was that a self-deprecating bald joke that McCain just tried to make?

SirFozzie · 10-07-2008, 08:55 PM

Ok, no more bon mots from me. I think that the "Fixing Social Security is Easy" is a gaffe that could be up to the level of "The economy is strong", but we shall see.

Go Home Time!

mauchow · 10-07-2008, 08:55 PM

"One last point I want to make....."

DaddyTorgo · 10-07-2008, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mac Howard

Why don't you tell us how you really feel

the drilling thing pisses me off. because the evidence is right there, and it's irrefutable.

WE DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH OIL RIGS IN ORDER TO INCREASE OFFSHORE DRILLING TO A DEGREE THAT WILL MATERIALLY AFFECT GAS PRICES IN LESS THAN 10 YEARS.

It's a concrete goddamn fact. The only thing we can do is drill in ANWR. It's non-negotiable.

So saying "we can drill tomorrow and your gas prices will go down" is BULLSHIT. It's straight-up lying, no doubt about it.

Pisses me off when either of them does it.

King of New York · 10-07-2008, 08:57 PM

Obama: going with "Senator McCain" rather than "John." Smart move--it makes Obama look more presidential. (I'm serious.)

Flasch186 · 10-07-2008, 08:59 PM

i think the woman line just broke on obama there on CNN.

Mac Howard · 10-07-2008, 08:59 PM

Another joke bombed. McCain's no stand-up comic is he?

SirFozzie · 10-07-2008, 08:59 PM

Ok, one more.

Wow. Very nice tie in by Obama.

Reminding folks that his mother died of cancer at 53, and spent her last days arguing with the insurance companies.

King of New York · 10-07-2008, 09:00 PM

And whoever posted above that Obama is stressing the differences much more tonight is spot on--it's a striking change of strategy. Is Obama trying to finish McCain off tonight?

King of New York · 10-07-2008, 09:02 PM

After he concludes his statement, McCain turns and glances at Obama with utter contempt and scorn.

Tigercat · 10-07-2008, 09:02 PM

The only part of the reaction line on CNN I find interesting is how much more negative men are than women on everything. Except when McCain says "America is #1!!"

rowech · 10-07-2008, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King of New York

After he concludes his statement, McCain turns and glances at Obama with utter contempt and scorn.

As Balboa did to Drago.

Mac Howard · 10-07-2008, 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tigercat

The only part of the reaction line on CNN I find interesting is how much more negative men are than women on everything. Except when McCain says "America is #1!!"

I sometimes wonder what the women are on

Have you noticed they're also several seconds behind the men in returning to 50?

Flasch186 · 10-07-2008, 09:08 PM

This debate is over....

Obama won this one

McCain won the first one, second one was a draw with Palin perhaps being a split decision winner based on expectations, and this has been an Obama knock out (thus far).

DaddyTorgo · 10-07-2008, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flasch186

This debate is over....

Obama won this one

McCain won the first one, second one was a draw with Palin perhaps being a split decision winner based on expectations, and this has been an Obama knock out (thus far).

i might disagree on the first debate results (i thought AT worst it was a draw for Obama), but everything else I agree on.

Noop · 10-07-2008, 09:10 PM

McCain did not win the first debate.

King of New York · 10-07-2008, 09:12 PM

Obama: stumbling a bit on Pakistan here--he is starting to get tired.

McCain: announcing his heroes at a furious clip: Reagan a minute ago, now Teddy Roosevelt.

Mac Howard · 10-07-2008, 09:12 PM

This is going nowhere. (carry a big stick)

King of New York · 10-07-2008, 09:13 PM

Can we get a count on the number of times that McCain has said Petraeus?

DaddyTorgo · 10-07-2008, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King of New York

McCain: announcing his heroes at a furious clip: Reagan a minute ago, now Teddy Roosevelt.

lol you noticed that too?

Tigercat · 10-07-2008, 09:14 PM

New rule in image politics - Town Hall debates can never ever be the strength of the candidate who will look old and uncomfortable with the added element of movement. Did no one in the McCain campaign consider this? Did no one on the campaign trail watch McCain move around and think "You know, he is going to look stiff and old next to Obama... Maybe we should stick to regular podiums..."

King of New York · 10-07-2008, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mac Howard

This is going nowhere. (carry a big stick)

I agree--the debate is stuck right now.

Noop · 10-07-2008, 09:15 PM

I want to see McCain punch Obama so the right wing can call him a fighter and he can win the election. Plus it would be funny.

Young Drachma · 10-07-2008, 09:16 PM

This thing is hilarious.

DaddyTorgo · 10-07-2008, 09:16 PM

McCain: "Oh...bomb bomb bomb Iran was a joke with an old veteran friend"

--- eyeahhhh that ain't gonna fly. and now he's talking about how he is the responsible one? and yet he cracks jokes like that? that just doesn't compute

mauchow · 10-07-2008, 09:17 PM

I'd like to see Palin walk across the stage screaming "GO MAVERICKS!"

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10-07-2008, 08:37 PM	#6901
Flasch186 Coordinator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Jacksonville, FL	How can he continuously say "he wants to raise taxes" when that's not true AND no one can know what is going to happen since neither one is in office. IMO it goes back to trusting that 'my' candidate means what he says while the other guys doesn't mean what he says even if it's as good if not better than what my guy said. If you cant believe the plan than what the hell are we talking about....we might as well just go vote today. __________________ Jacksonville-florida-homes-for-sale Putting a New Spin on Real Estate! ----------------------------------------------------------- Commissioner of the USFL USFL

10-07-2008, 08:39 PM	#6904
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	laughs Man, McCain's showing his age.. "like trying to nail Jello to a wall"? __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

10-07-2008, 08:41 PM	#6906
King of New York High School Varsity Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Edge of the Great Dismal Swamp	Obama takes the question about enititlement spending and works his way back to tax policy, so that he can answer McCain's last comment. Barry is learning how to fight back! __________________ Input A No Input

10-07-2008, 08:43 PM	#6909
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	McCain thinks solving Social Security is easy... Damnit. if it wasn't for the fact Doc Sak would call me on it, I'd post a giant picture of the ORLY owl, right about now __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

10-07-2008, 08:38 PM	#6902
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	McCain is looking angry. Not confident, not presidential. Old and angry. Ooh..more payola! Doubling child exemptions. Umm...McCain, what about single people? Our first unscripted moment, where Obama asks to rebut what McCain said. Brokaw admonishes them to follow the rules set by both teams.

10-07-2008, 08:41 PM	#6907
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	you know what though: old and angry mccain scores low with voters. i said earlier tonight to my folks that i feel like mccain is very close to cracking in terms of his temper - and if he goes over the edge he's totally lost it.

10-07-2008, 08:42 PM	#6908
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	mccain also walks around looking like a monkey with his arms very stiff and jerky

10-07-2008, 08:44 PM	#6910
Mac Howard Sick as a Parrot Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Surfers Paradise, Australia	Bad news is - we lost __________________ Mac Howard - a Pom in Paradise

10-07-2008, 08:45 PM	#6911
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Uh, it is easy. Put it in a lockbox.

10-07-2008, 08:45 PM	#6912
King of New York High School Varsity Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Edge of the Great Dismal Swamp	McCain is big on teh nukes! He has served on nuclear-powered ships and suffered no ill effects. __________________ Input A No Input

10-07-2008, 08:46 PM	#6913
King of New York High School Varsity Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Edge of the Great Dismal Swamp	Obama is also down with teh nukes, but we also must have windmills. __________________ Input A No Input

10-07-2008, 08:50 PM	#6918
King of New York High School Varsity Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Edge of the Great Dismal Swamp	McCain: we must drill offshore now. Must drill now! Right after this debate is over! __________________ Input A No Input

10-07-2008, 08:51 PM	#6919
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	fuck you mccain - you lying sack of shit there is no drilling that can be done offshore that would result in any oil finding its way to our refineries within 10 years. we don't even have enough oil rigs to increase offshore drilling right now. the only oil that we have on us soil that we can access within 10 years to decrease our dependence on foreign oil is in ANWR. And that's from industry experts, not something i made up. so talking about drilling as something that will ease oil prices tomorrow is flat-out lying to the public. and that pisses me off. Last edited by DaddyTorgo : 10-07-2008 at 08:51 PM.

10-07-2008, 08:52 PM	#6920
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	If there was a concrete plan on SSI so that I wouldn't be burdened too much in the future(I'm 26), I'd vote for that candidate. I would venture to guess that we're a ways a way before we get a plan that could really work for everyone. McCain.. easy to fix it? You got my vote!! Not.

10-07-2008, 08:54 PM	#6923
Flasch186 Coordinator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Jacksonville, FL	Im surprised by tonight as I thought McCain's strong suit was townhall. Hair transplants? __________________ Jacksonville-florida-homes-for-sale Putting a New Spin on Real Estate! ----------------------------------------------------------- Commissioner of the USFL USFL Last edited by Flasch186 : 10-07-2008 at 08:55 PM.

10-07-2008, 08:55 PM	#6924
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	Gold plated health care plans. Ugh. Why is he repeating that Bush line?! It flopped then and it's flopping now. Did he not see the red light? I did... __________________ FBCB / FPB3 Mods

10-07-2008, 08:55 PM	#6925
King of New York High School Varsity Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Edge of the Great Dismal Swamp	Was that a self-deprecating bald joke that McCain just tried to make? __________________ Input A No Input

10-07-2008, 08:55 PM	#6926
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	Ok, no more bon mots from me. I think that the "Fixing Social Security is Easy" is a gaffe that could be up to the level of "The economy is strong", but we shall see. Go Home Time! __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

10-07-2008, 08:55 PM	#6927
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	"One last point I want to make....."

10-07-2008, 08:57 PM	#6929
King of New York High School Varsity Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Edge of the Great Dismal Swamp	Obama: going with "Senator McCain" rather than "John." Smart move--it makes Obama look more presidential. (I'm serious.) __________________ Input A No Input

10-07-2008, 08:59 PM	#6930
Flasch186 Coordinator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Jacksonville, FL	i think the woman line just broke on obama there on CNN. __________________ Jacksonville-florida-homes-for-sale Putting a New Spin on Real Estate! ----------------------------------------------------------- Commissioner of the USFL USFL

10-07-2008, 08:59 PM	#6931
Mac Howard Sick as a Parrot Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Surfers Paradise, Australia	Another joke bombed. McCain's no stand-up comic is he? __________________ Mac Howard - a Pom in Paradise Last edited by Mac Howard : 10-07-2008 at 09:00 PM.

10-07-2008, 08:59 PM	#6932
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	Ok, one more. Wow. Very nice tie in by Obama. Reminding folks that his mother died of cancer at 53, and spent her last days arguing with the insurance companies. __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

10-07-2008, 09:00 PM	#6933
King of New York High School Varsity Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Edge of the Great Dismal Swamp	And whoever posted above that Obama is stressing the differences much more tonight is spot on--it's a striking change of strategy. Is Obama trying to finish McCain off tonight? __________________ Input A No Input

10-07-2008, 09:02 PM	#6934
King of New York High School Varsity Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Edge of the Great Dismal Swamp	After he concludes his statement, McCain turns and glances at Obama with utter contempt and scorn. __________________ Input A No Input

10-07-2008, 09:02 PM	#6935
Tigercat College Starter Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Federal Way, WA	The only part of the reaction line on CNN I find interesting is how much more negative men are than women on everything. Except when McCain says "America is #1!!"

10-07-2008, 09:08 PM	#6938
Flasch186 Coordinator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Jacksonville, FL	This debate is over.... Obama won this one McCain won the first one, second one was a draw with Palin perhaps being a split decision winner based on expectations, and this has been an Obama knock out (thus far). __________________ Jacksonville-florida-homes-for-sale Putting a New Spin on Real Estate! ----------------------------------------------------------- Commissioner of the USFL USFL

10-07-2008, 09:10 PM	#6940
Noop Bonafide Seminole Fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Miami	McCain did not win the first debate. __________________ Subby's favorite woman hater.

10-07-2008, 09:12 PM	#6941
King of New York High School Varsity Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Edge of the Great Dismal Swamp	Obama: stumbling a bit on Pakistan here--he is starting to get tired. McCain: announcing his heroes at a furious clip: Reagan a minute ago, now Teddy Roosevelt. __________________ Input A No Input

10-07-2008, 09:12 PM	#6942
Mac Howard Sick as a Parrot Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Surfers Paradise, Australia	This is going nowhere. (carry a big stick) __________________ Mac Howard - a Pom in Paradise Last edited by Mac Howard : 10-07-2008 at 09:13 PM.

10-07-2008, 09:13 PM	#6943
King of New York High School Varsity Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Edge of the Great Dismal Swamp	Can we get a count on the number of times that McCain has said Petraeus? __________________ Input A No Input

10-07-2008, 09:14 PM	#6945
Tigercat College Starter Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Federal Way, WA	New rule in image politics - Town Hall debates can never ever be the strength of the candidate who will look old and uncomfortable with the added element of movement. Did no one in the McCain campaign consider this? Did no one on the campaign trail watch McCain move around and think "You know, he is going to look stiff and old next to Obama... Maybe we should stick to regular podiums..."

10-07-2008, 09:15 PM	#6947
Noop Bonafide Seminole Fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Miami	I want to see McCain punch Obama so the right wing can call him a fighter and he can win the election. Plus it would be funny. __________________ Subby's favorite woman hater.

10-07-2008, 09:16 PM	#6948
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	This thing is hilarious. __________________ FBCB / FPB3 Mods