The Trump Presidency – 2016

[Butter]

The fight against Trump has become something akin to a fight for facts. We have to prove that there is a set of facts that constitute "truth". And no matter what stupid bullshit he has to say, there is still one unquestionable set of circumstances that has actually occurred which makes up reality.

It's really really really stupid that it has come to this. But letting any of his stupid "jokes" or offhand comments slide in the name of "hey, we should just go after the important stuff" then just validates that he can indeed shape some of the less important reality into things that are not actually true.

Nope. Every single falsehood needs to be called out and reported. I don't care if it causes fatigue. It should. It is ridiculous that our country has come to this. But the stupidity of it needs put front and center every day if that's what it takes.

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by Butter

Nope. Every single falsehood needs to be called out and reported. I don't care if it causes fatigue. It should. It is ridiculous that our country has come to this. But the stupidity of it needs put front and center every day if that's what it takes.

This.

[PilotMan]

I wonder if Trump is going to blast the Boy Scouts for being PC with their announcement today?

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

I wonder if Trump is going to blast the Boy Scouts for being PC with their announcement today?

His son is already on the case.

[Drake]

As a current Den leader, I can practically guarantee you that this has nothing to do with being PC. It has more to do with declining membership, little sisters being dragged along by single parents because there's nowhere else to go for an hour, etc., etc., and related resource issues (of the human capital kind) in local operations than anything else. Think "family friendly" rather than "girl friendly", because honestly, we're competing with sports, churches, and other after school activities for your kids time and attention if we want the organization to survive for another 100 years.

Maybe larger communities don't have as much of a problem getting people to volunteer, but in my town, Boy Scouts had been defunct for a decade prior to last year because there weren't enough boys and their parents interested in doing the work.

So, bottom line for me on all the people complaining about it is this: if you're not willing to give up one night a week plus prep time to do something like teach a bunch of rowdy 10-11 y.o. boys to set shit on fire and dual wield pocket knives without anybody getting killed, then you don't get a vote on whether or not this is a good idea or whether or not it was a needed step.

I'm just hoping we get some fucking cookie-selling reciprocity out of this deal, because thirty-bucks-a-bag popcorn is some fucking bullshit.

[Drake]

* yeah, I'm teaching your kids. That's what happens when qualified people don't volunteer, motherfuckers.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by Drake

* yeah, I'm teaching your kids. That's what happens when qualified people don't volunteer, motherfuckers.

You remind me of the SNL Peyton Manning commercial

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by Drake

As a current Den leader, I can practically guarantee you that this has nothing to do with being PC. It has more to do with declining membership, little sisters being dragged along by single parents because there's nowhere else to go for an hour, etc., etc., and related resource issues (of the human capital kind) in local operations than anything else. Think "family friendly" rather than "girl friendly", because honestly, we're competing with sports, churches, and other after school activities for your kids time and attention if we want the organization to survive for another 100 years.

Maybe larger communities don't have as much of a problem getting people to volunteer, but in my town, Boy Scouts had been defunct for a decade prior to last year because there weren't enough boys and their parents interested in doing the work.

So, bottom line for me on all the people complaining about it is this: if you're not willing to give up one night a week plus prep time to do something like teach a bunch of rowdy 10-11 y.o. boys to set shit on fire and dual wield pocket knives without anybody getting killed, then you don't get a vote on whether or not this is a good idea or whether or not it was a needed step.

I'm just hoping we get some fucking cookie-selling reciprocity out of this deal, because thirty-bucks-a-bag popcorn is some fucking bullshit.

My son got a few drops of blood on the middle school cafeteria floor trying to whittle some soap...

But yeah. I wound up being a sort of assistant den leader for a couple of years of Cub Scouts. And an assistant soccer coach. Now I'm a band treasurer. And I'm a parent who typically tries to dodge things.

Regarding the state of scouting in general, my son was in it for a while but at some point it got pushed down then dropped from the list. I felt like he didn't necessarily need extra direction, had enough going on with school and extra-curriculars to keep him occupied.

I think my daughter would have preferred Boy Scouts to Girl Scouts. Some of the GS stuff was absolutely pointless. Like, "hey girls, color this stuff for a while while we figure out how the hell we're supposed to sell all these cookies."

[JPhillips]

Trump is such a bullshitter. Tonight he said that the 5.2 trillion made on the stock market is actually a reduction to the national debt.

[kingfc22]

The ever aspiring dictator continues to ramp up his rhetoric to squash free press because that is as American as it gets...

[BBT]

Trump's let the Jones Act exemption expire for Puerto Rico; still no electricity, still not a lot of clean water or food. Body count is already trending up and will probably keep growing.

Sad state of affairs.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Trump is such a bullshitter. Tonight he said that the 5.2 trillion made on the stock market is actually a reduction to the national debt.

I'm shocked that the man who took hid Daddy's money and bankrupted himself over and over doesn't understand basic economics.

[JPhillips]

Trump's latest tirade on PR is really awful. Basically it's, fuck you guys, we're going home.

[molson]

Are the PR threats just one of Trump's "obvious jokes" that we shouldn't pay attention too?

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by molson

Are the PR threats just one of Trump's "obvious jokes" that we shouldn't pay attention too?

He got the message across to his base (boo Hispanics!). And his PR people can tell the rest of us to lighten up.

Americans are dying, and he's not even pretending to care. Indeed, he's going out of his way to show that he does not. And the worst part is that that's probably the right thing for a GOP politician to do in 2017.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Trump's latest tirade on PR is really awful. Basically it's, fuck you guys, we're going home.

.@realDonaldTrump to Texas, and today, Puerto Rico pic.twitter.com/pw53T9gRAs

— Katie Leslie (@katieleslienews) October 12, 2017

[Logan]

Just another joke I'm sure. And certainly not that he has zero clue about what it actually was.

A good case to be fired for disrespecting the flag.

Watch Trump and His Entire Crowd Joke and Laugh Through Solemn Military Flag Ceremony

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Trump's latest tirade on PR is really awful. Basically it's, fuck you guys, we're going home.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by molson

Are the PR threats just one of Trump's "obvious jokes" that we shouldn't pay attention too?

No which is kind of the point I was making. When the media runs non-stop IQ, golf score, etc BREAKING NEWS and then throws this in it just makes his supporters think he is a target. Butter and others gave me the response I expected where they were defensive and said I called them Sheep but my point was actually the exact opposite. Don't take the bait on the NFL shit, don't get all worked up about his golfing or his IQ nonsense. Call him out on Puerto Rico, his recklessness on North Korea, etc... Anti-Obama people did the same thing with the birth certificate, being outraged at him hanging with celebrities, etc and it grew tiresome. I just think if you went through the 138 pages of this thread about 50+% is trivial nonsense and just feeds into his base who think the media is just out to get him.

Whatever though I'm no fan of Trump and am not defending any of his dumb jokes and reckless presidency I just think the pushback on every single thing he does runs the high risk of him getting reelected.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Logan

Just another joke I'm sure. And certainly not that he has zero clue about what it actually was.

A good case to be fired for disrespecting the flag.

Watch Trump and His Entire Crowd Joke and Laugh Through Solemn Military Flag Ceremony

It is far more disrespectful for the Commander in Chief to not acknowledge revelry or retreat than a football player to kneel during the anthem. He lost any standing he had with NFL players but I don't doubt his supporters understand or care.

A lack of outrage here does nothing but confirm its about taking down millionaire black athletes and not about the flag or anthem.

[BBT]

Originally Posted by panerd

No which is kind of the point I was making. When the media runs non-stop IQ, golf score, etc BREAKING NEWS and then throws this in it just makes his supporters think he is a target. Butter and others gave me the response I expected where they were defensive and said I called them Sheep but my point was actually the exact opposite. Don't take the bait on the NFL shit, don't get all worked up about his golfing or his IQ nonsense. Call him out on Puerto Rico, his recklessness on North Korea, etc... Anti-Obama people did the same thing with the birth certificate, being outraged at him hanging with celebrities, etc and it grew tiresome. I just think if you went through the 138 pages of this thread about 50+% is trivial nonsense and just feeds into his base who think the media is just out to get him.

Whatever though I'm no fan of Trump and am not defending any of his dumb jokes and reckless presidency I just think the pushback on every single thing he does runs the high risk of him getting reelected.

I see your point, and I sort of agree with it when it comes to right-leaning, on the fence voters, but his supporters are going to stick with him unless he suddenly changes parties. They've been willing to stick with him through everything else, including quite a few flip-flops, and will continue to say the media is after him even if the targeting is reduced. That 37-38% is locked in no matter what.

[JPhillips]

mckerney: That gif is great.

[BYU 14]

White House Lawyer Denies Trump Team Is Considering Interview With Mueller

Cobb was brought in over the summer to handle matters involving Mueller’s investigation. Trump also has a team of private attorneys, including John M. Dowd and Jay Sekulow.

While any interview with Trump would be granted in hopes of removing the cloud of suspicion hanging over his presidency, meeting with Mueller could carry legal risks for the Republican.

“Nobody in the White House would be this stupid,” Cobb told TheDC.

He does realize who he works for right?

[albionmoonlight]

That Mueller is simply doing his thing in quiet has to be disturbing for Trump.

Trump does so much better when he's fighting. And his enemies tend to play into that because they are other politicians or people who otherwise want the spotlight that open conflict brings.

I don't think he knows what to do with an enemy who shuns the cameras.

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Trump is such a bullshitter. Tonight he said that the 5.2 trillion made on the stock market is actually a reduction to the national debt.

Either that or he left out a massive increase in capital gains taxes when talking about his tax plan.

Also on Trump's tax speech, truck drivers in this country must be doing way better than I'd if they are cheering on the elimination of the estate tax.

[BBT]

Trump has been President for 9 months & doesn't know what "Retreat" is at a military installation.

Its when we take down & honor the flag. pic.twitter.com/tkzQPDmnvf

— Red T Raccoon (@RedTRaccoon) October 12, 2017

Remember that he also attended New York Military Academy.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Logan

.@realDonaldTrump to Texas, and today, Puerto Rico pic.twitter.com/pw53T9gRAs

— Katie Leslie (@katieleslienews) October 12, 2017

I'm sure it has nothing to do with race.

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by BBT

Trump has been President for 9 months & doesn't know what "Retreat" is at a military installation.

Its when we take down & honor the flag. pic.twitter.com/tkzQPDmnvf

— Red T Raccoon (@RedTRaccoon) October 12, 2017

Remember that he also attended New York Military Academy.

Boy, I guess the NFL is is the hook because I'm sure the "Respect the Flag" crowd is going to be absolutely furious about this one.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Atocep

It is far more disrespectful for the Commander in Chief to not acknowledge revelry or retreat than a football player to kneel during the anthem. He lost any standing he had with NFL players but I don't doubt his supporters understand or care.

A lack of outrage here does nothing but confirm its about taking down millionaire black athletes and not about the flag or anthem.

The guy trashed John McCain's service and belittled a Gold Star family. It's never been about "patriotism".

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by mckerney

Boy, I guess the NFL is is the hook because I'm sure the "Respect the Flag" crowd is going to be absolutely furious about this one.

Nope. Here is what they are saying; "This is neither the national anthem, nor is it a ceremony. It is background music. But leave it to libs to twist facts that have no relation with the issue at-hand. Typical."

It's so funny and sad that these individuals can't see past their own ignorance (and/or hatred).

[Drake]

...but, but, Obama saluted that guy with the wrong hand while holding coffee and trying to stuff his birth certificate into his pants where no one would see it...

[JPhillips]

I see this anger in a lot of my HS friends.

donald-trump-twitter-damaging-republican-character

[Edward64]

Didn't know about this, its an interesting possibility but would say fat chance of it happening.

I do like to think that Pence, Ryan, McConnell has something drawn up ready for signatures though.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/11/politi...air/index.html

Washington (CNN)Former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon has privately confided that he believes President Donald Trump only has a 30% chance of completing his full term, a source told Vanity Fair.

According to two of Vanity Fair's sources with knowledge of the conversation, Bannon warned Trump several months ago that the biggest threat to his presidency is not impeachment by Congress, but the 25th Amendment -- which could allow his Cabinet to vote to remove him.

CNN has been unable to independently confirm these reported conversations. Bannon could not be reached for comment.

The 25th Amendment to the Constitution is a measure that establishes a system for replacing the president or vice president in case there is a death, removal, resignation or incapacitation.

Also, if the vice president "and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide" make a "written declaration that the president is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the vice president shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as acting president."

The 25th Amendment was adopted following the assassination of President John F. Kennedy in 1963.

According to the two sources who spoke to Vanity Fair, when Bannon raised the 25th Amendment as a concern, Trump responded by asking, "What's that?"

Bannon was fired from the White House in August.

The report comes amid a public feud between Trump and Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tennessee, who is retiring from Congress after 2018. The two have gone back and forth via Twitter, and Corker told The New York Times that he thinks Trump could take the US "on the path to World War III."

[JPhillips]

According to the CBO, Trump ending CSR payments to insurance companies will mean fewer covered, higher premiums and an increase in the deficit.

He hit for the cycle!

[JPhillips]

wtf?

Alabama’s state constitution still contains the following language:

“Separate schools shall be provided for white and colored children, and no child of either race shall be permitted to attend a school of the other race.”

[molson]

My state's criminal code still has statutes making premarital sex and adultery illegal, but those statutes aren't actually enforceable in 2017. The state legislature would have to actually pass new legislation to remove those kinds of statutes, and Alabama would actually have to go through whatever process they use to amend their constitution to clean remnants like that out of them. It'd be nice if state legislatures took some time to do those things, but for whatever reason it rarely happens.

[JPhillips]

The only reason I found out about this is that Roy Moore led the fight against removing it a few years ago.

[BYU 14]

Watching him speak to the values voter summit one has to wonder. 1-When will people finally tire of his broad generalizations with no facts. "We are making great strides against ISIS, great strides, I don't know if you have noticed.....great strides" SMH.

And two, how can folks listen to him talk about morals with a straight face when he is literally devoid of morals. Just spouts whatever bullshit will appeal to his audience du jour.

[BBT]

Trump: “I met with the president of the Virgin Islands.” (That would be him…)

— Zeke Miller (@ZekeJMiller) October 13, 2017

[molson]

I think it's possible that Trump STILL doesn't understand that Puerto Ricans are natural-born U.S. citizens. Or that people keep telling him that but his brain isn't able to retain that information.

[JPhillips]

As Rick Wilson said, he sees them as sea-Mexicans.

[thesloppy]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

wtf?

Until 2002 the Oregon constitution contained the words “no free Negro, or mulatto . . . shall come, reside, or be within this State, or hold any real estate.”, and even when it was put to vote in 2002, 30% of the state population still voted AGAINST removing that language.

...but plenty of folks still think oppression is imaginary. Go figure.

[mckerney]

McMaster Wants to Save the Iran Deal by Hiding It From Trump



This all seems fine.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by mckerney

McMaster Wants to Save the Iran Deal by Hiding It From Trump



This all seems fine.

Not to mention the fact that Hannity is providing consultation to Trump. No fucking agenda there.

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by molson

I think it's possible that Trump STILL doesn't understand that Puerto Ricans are natural-born U.S. citizens. Or that people keep telling him that but his brain isn't able to retain that information.

I think that's the case. He goes along with it because everyone keeps telling him that Puerto Rico is a part of the US, but he just can't seem to grasp the concept.

[BBT]

After Trump Travel Ban, Chad Pulls Troops From Boko Haram Fight in Niger

Lost the support of one of the strongest militaries in Africa because of the Travel ban. Not good considering we just lost 4 soldiers in Niger this week.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...nce/index.html

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by BBT

After Trump Travel Ban, Chad Pulls Troops From Boko Haram Fight in Niger

Lost the support of one of the strongest militaries in Africa because of the Travel ban. Not good considering we just lost 4 soldiers in Niger this week.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...nce/index.html

The world finally respects us again!

[Shkspr]

Originally Posted by BBT

After Trump Travel Ban, Chad Pulls Troops From Boko Haram Fight in Niger

:shakes head: Fuckin' Chad.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by BYU 14

Watching him speak to the values voter summit one has to wonder. 1-When will people finally tire of his broad generalizations with no facts. "We are making great strides against ISIS, great strides, I don't know if you have noticed.....great strides" SMH.

And two, how can folks listen to him talk about morals with a straight face when he is literally devoid of morals. Just spouts whatever bullshit will appeal to his audience du jour.

The people buying that kool-aid are remarkably stupid. Results really don't matter. Guy was right that he could shoot a person on the street and not lose a vote.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Guy was right that he could shoot a person on the street and not lose a vote.

Depends on who he shoots.

edit: Hell, we still don't have an end to Obamacare, we still don't have significant improvement in the invasion of illegals.
He doesn't have to shoot anybody to lose this vote.