11-15-2020, 10:04 PM | #6751 | |
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Looking at where the numbers are moving in relation to this from a few days ago there's a much weaker correlation between deaths and cases than we had in either wave. We're only now approaching the peak moving 7 day average for the 2nd wave over the summer, despite the number of cases being double the number (7 day moving avg) from that same time period. We are unlikely to hit 2000 deaths per day and the curve overall may not jump to the heights that we are expecting, or if it does, it may not be until there are even more cases than we have right now (guessing a number upwards of 250k new cases per day). We know that more testing is showing more cases, but there's also much better therapeutics which are having a positive effect. There's not enough to know how much, if any, the dna of the virus is weakening as it replicates, but it could be having some impact as we get deeper into the 3rd wave. There's no reason to stop trying to keep things in hand here. The number of infected in the US still only amounts to 3.2% of the population. So we're a long, long way away from just giving up and tossing our cards. But there is reason to believe that we don't need to panic just yet, or over react. As I've said all along, it's about managing it, and finding that happy medium where we fight it on all fronts, and keep driving the number of deaths down as cases rise. The macro numbers there are continuing to trend in the right direction.
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11-15-2020, 10:07 PM | #6752 |
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There are a number of hospital systems on the verge of capacity with some already turning away patients. Where that's happening, there's already a crisis. The deaths are going to go up in those areas because there aren't staff for patients and people will avoid going to the hospital even for critical care.
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11-15-2020, 10:10 PM | #6753 |
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We are absolutely going to hit 2k deaths a day. Death is a lagging indicator and we haven't seen levels like this before. Exponential growth and the collapse of some health care systems soon.
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11-16-2020, 02:04 AM | #6754 | |
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Deaths lag by 14+ days statistically ... Summer peak cases 66k July 15th (yes it rose by another 2k, but that's really where you hit the peak before essentially plateuing. Picking out the end of that plateu isn't sensible for a comparison with now, where it is still accelerating) , summer peak deaths 1170 (Aug 2nd) Oct 28th was 75k cases, deaths Nov14th were 1150 and climbing rapidly. Cases Nov14th 153k and still climbing rapidly (accelerated growth after Nov1 actually). Yeah, you can make a case it's a little less of a corelation but that still puts the US on a path to 2k+ soonish and pretty much already baked in. That's sth to rage against and any "happy medium" has to include preventing more infections. Just getting better at treating it (and it won't anymore. What you see now is what you get until designated therapeutics are developed and those are not coming before the end of Winter). It's not just Covid deaths either: What about people not getting the help they need ? (Excess mortally) What about those with Covid and other shits having their Quality of life severely impacted short of dying ? For everybody dying there is another or two who'll have his life cut short. A ton of people 'recovered' from Covid are actually suffered strokes and major thrombosis during. And that's not counting the 'mild' cases with mid to longterm effects who might well get better but looses their QOL in the interim in any case, have to put their careers/jobs on hold etc. Or all those missing out on care for other stuff because of unavoidable restrictions, precautions and restructuring by Hospitals and other providers.
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11-16-2020, 07:29 AM | #6755 | |
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Great news!
Dow and S&P are up 1%+. Nasdaq is down a little (but was up more this morning, not sure if the Moderna news impacted it). https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/16/healt...rus/index.html Quote:
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11-16-2020, 07:44 AM | #6756 |
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11-16-2020, 09:00 AM | #6757 | |
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Of course we are. Though not as exhausted by half as those behind those statistics and those trying to prevent/improve them. And there's a reason the adage doesn't stop at "hope for the best" but adds a second part to it. As an aside, things are dire if a german government tries to combat it with humour:
And yes, of course plenty of the internet makes it about them ("how dare they belittle the struggle we face and how dare they not talk about those who can't well just sit home") when in reality this telegraphs who they are adressing very clearly and who they are asking to abstain from what.
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11-16-2020, 10:03 AM | #6758 |
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Heard on the news today South Dakota has a 58% positivity rate, yet the governor hasn't put any restrictions in place. The reporter said they have been there a day and virtually no one wearing masks, distancing, and it is business as usual.
I get the mouth breathers who will never let the man tell them what to do, but how can government officials who are literally being begged by their own health care workers to take simple steps for prevention be so complicit? |
11-16-2020, 10:20 AM | #6759 |
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That's pretty glorious.
Edit: whomario's post, obviously. Last edited by Vince, Pt. II : 11-16-2020 at 10:20 AM. |
11-16-2020, 10:54 AM | #6760 | |
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The MAGA Queen Governor was bragging about their handling of covid a few months ago and turned away the unemployment benefits because they were doing so well. |
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11-16-2020, 10:59 AM | #6761 |
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Washington is going into a semi-shutdown at midnight tonight. No indoor dining, gyms and movie theaters closed, 25% capacity at retail and grocery stores, office workers strongly encouraged to work from home.
Panic buying in full force right now. We saw this coming and stocked up a bit over the past week to avoid the panic buying rush. |
11-16-2020, 11:03 AM | #6762 | |
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Good on TP? |
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11-16-2020, 11:09 AM | #6763 |
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11-16-2020, 11:32 AM | #6764 | |
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I had to unfollow a friend from Seattle today who is screaming on Facebook that there is zero data showing indoor dining contributes to the spread and this is government controlling us. Meanwhile friends who own a bar in Seattle are in full support. |
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11-16-2020, 11:46 AM | #6765 | |
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TBH, I don't know if there has been studies that show in-door dining has contributed to the spread assuming diners are 6ft apart and wear masks in common areas. Honest question - has there been an uptick of infected flyers? Although everyone is wearing masks, they are stuck in a tube and less than 6ft apart for hours. |
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11-16-2020, 12:20 PM | #6766 |
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Good article from WSJ that we don't know how the majority are getting it because both the US and Europe at horrible at contact tracing.
As COVID-19 surges, the big unknown is where people are getting infected
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11-16-2020, 12:33 PM | #6767 | |
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Read this twitter thread. People are screaming about the Covid hoax while they are in the hospital dying.
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11-16-2020, 04:30 PM | #6768 |
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Idiots were out protesting mask wearing in front of a locally owned grocerery store in Mill Creek yesterday.
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11-16-2020, 04:39 PM | #6769 | |
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Send em home to die |
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11-16-2020, 04:40 PM | #6770 | |
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I remember seeing a study a while back about restaurants, but they all run together at this point. I do for a fact remember seeing the air filtration systems in planes get rid of over 99% of the particles. |
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11-16-2020, 06:00 PM | #6771 | |
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Well played, sir. Where I am we've seen the beginning of holiday and panic shopping hit over the start of the next week. Somebody came in recently and bought over 20 loaves of bread, unapologetically for the express purpose of hoarding. I give them points for honesty, but not much else, particularly when the vendor tried to convince them of the self-evident fact that some of it will go bad before they can use it. It's only a few items out where I shop - some types of beans, corned beef hash, tp and paper towel etc., bread/butter are all fine. But the combination of holiday sales and the virus will do bad things in time for sure. I'm curious how well we collectively handle it and how much different it is than the spring. |
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11-16-2020, 10:02 PM | #6772 | |||
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Good article on info regarding covid tests and meeting with family over the holidays.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/16/healt...ess/index.html Key points: 1) Incubation period is up to 10 days. Lots of false positives if taken too early Quote:
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4) Essentially, best way to celebrate the holidays is remotely. I think I'll mention to the wife not to take the drive to TX the week after Christmas. |
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11-16-2020, 10:17 PM | #6773 |
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11-16-2020, 10:29 PM | #6774 | ||
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We've gotten 2 for 1 bread deals before and we stick one in the freezer. It never tastes as good though. I can't imagine buying 20 loaves. Better for them to buy bread flour, yeast and learn how to bake bread. It won't turn out to be nice and fluffy like store kind but still pretty good. Quote:
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11-16-2020, 11:54 PM | #6775 |
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In Gatlinburg for a few days and for the most part, people are masking up, but up in Rocky Top, masks must be for pussies, because between the gas station and the liquor store and everything in between, not one single mask was seen. Go Tennessee!
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11-17-2020, 01:59 AM | #6776 |
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i despise holudays anyway so i'm good
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11-17-2020, 05:39 AM | #6777 |
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Here's an interesting study. Run on mouth wash?
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11-17-2020, 07:31 AM | #6778 | |
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Study definitely not funded by a mouthwash company or dental trade group trying to shield themselves from liability... SI
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11-17-2020, 10:19 AM | #6779 |
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Ya know there's gonna be a run on mouthwash now, so get it while you can!
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11-17-2020, 10:53 AM | #6780 |
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Second daughter confirmed positive, just as the first daughter is released from quarantine. She'll be home for Thanksgiving and at this point will be the only one of us who can go to the store. I told the wife I'd rather just get it now and be done with it instead of one of us getting it every 10 days and extending quarantine another 2 weeks.
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11-17-2020, 11:15 AM | #6781 | |
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Can't be long before Trump sells it as his idea.
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11-17-2020, 01:18 PM | #6782 |
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I can see it now: Trump Mouthwash-maybe defeats COVID, maybe not (but you have to sign an NDA before you can use it)
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11-17-2020, 01:20 PM | #6783 | |
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By all accounts once you’re on the plane things are not too risky, assuming they’ve been cleaned properly. Person to person transmission is more of an issue in getting through security, the boarding process, deplaning, baggage collection, etc.
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11-17-2020, 01:31 PM | #6784 | |
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Maybe it has hydroxychloriquine, maybe it doesn't. Maybe it's just cheap moonshine from some conman who swindled Trump into letting him put his name on it. Maybe it's some cheap moonshine from a mediocre conman who thinks Trump is going to pay him. It's all a mystery. SI
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11-17-2020, 02:02 PM | #6785 | |
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Sorry to hear. Good luck to the daughters and family. |
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11-17-2020, 02:08 PM | #6786 |
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Huh? How is sitting a foot away from multiple strangers for hours straight not more dangerous than the rest of the process (so long as you're doing what you can to maintain 6 feet/wearing a mask).
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11-17-2020, 02:14 PM | #6787 | ||
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I found references to a Harvard & DoD study. Haven't flown in a while but assume airlines are taking disinfecting seats, table trays etc. very seriously. Even so, I find it hard to believe "little risk" once inside the plane but apparently that's what they are saying. https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/f...ess/index.html Quote:
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11-17-2020, 02:20 PM | #6788 | |
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More details on the DoD study with United Airlines and IATA. So it may be a little biased but who knows.
I would appreciate more independent studies but accept that my fears may be overblown once a passenger is on a plane. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/risk...ry?id=73616599 Quote:
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11-17-2020, 04:37 PM | #6789 | |
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Apparently to do with the circulation & filtration of the air once in the plane
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11-17-2020, 04:56 PM | #6790 |
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My son is flying home on Saturday. I hope that study is right.
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11-17-2020, 05:08 PM | #6791 |
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87-year-old Chuck Grassley is positive.
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11-17-2020, 08:29 PM | #6792 |
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If not for some non-COVID things that are keeping me home right now, I think I'd be traveling a lot. I'm enjoying the travel stories of people like the guy from the Points Guy blog who are using these times to take unique uncrowded and inexperience travel experiences which, if you can get there, are places safer than the U.S. COVID-wise, and which are offering luxury experiences as reduced expense. If you time it right and find the right deals, there are first-class international points redemption options all over the place.
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11-18-2020, 09:55 AM | #6793 | |
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The wedding was in Oct so everyone was well aware.
I'm sure the couple is sorry and I don't blame them for everything because the other 83 guest should also have known. I get wanting to get married but better choice would have been to keep it small (with more controls) and then have a larger gathering later. Ohio newlyweds open up about their COVID-19 superspreader wedding Quote:
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11-18-2020, 10:04 AM | #6794 |
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Just had our county put in a 10 person max on events for the foreseeable future. Still can have the winery open at 50% capacity, but there goes about $100,000 in event revenue over the next three months. :/
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11-18-2020, 10:11 AM | #6795 | |
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Has there been any further guidance on employer billing insurances for required COVID tests? We are up to 2 required tests a week and were just told it was mandatory to give our insurance information to HR so they can start billing them. They also added that they are waiting to bill the two from last week so they need it as soon as possible. Seems.....fraudulent.
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11-18-2020, 10:41 AM | #6796 | |
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fuck those selfish assholes. I blame them. Grandma, mom, dad, etc...aren't missing their wedding no matter what. Should the guests have some personal responsibility? Absolutely, but the way you keep your wedding from being a super spreader event is don't have the wedding. |
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11-18-2020, 10:42 AM | #6797 | |
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I read there were a couple sheriffs that said they were not going to go out of their way to enforce limits on gathering at private residences this holiday season. It wasn't because they didn't believe covid was real, it was more like it's not their job (constitutionally or oath of office) to limit gatherings in private homes. |
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11-18-2020, 10:47 AM | #6798 | |
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Yep, exactly. They put everyone in a very terrible situation.
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11-18-2020, 11:44 AM | #6799 |
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So after running at lunch yesterday, I started having uncontrollable sneezing for about the next 6 hours as my sinuses became more and more painful. Watery eyes itching, redness teeth were aching from the pressure. Took an allegra, then finally a zytrec, which I never do.
Eventually around 11 the pressure just disappeared, but I got hungry and felt heartburn. I finally dozed off and on until I woke up about 3 and puked like a madman. Same thing happened again around 430. I haven't thrown up in a decade. Took my temp a few times through the night and morning and it was always normal. The "reflux" feeling hasn't gone away and sometimes feels overwhelming, but otherwise I don't feel bad. Sinuses are back to normal. Of course, since my daughter was exposed a week ago, I got a test this morning and am now waiting on results. This ought to be a fun 2-3 days, especially if I'm not feeling great. Last edited by Ghost Econ : 11-18-2020 at 11:45 AM. |
11-18-2020, 12:33 PM | #6800 |
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ick not fun Ghost, hope everyone is OK in your family
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