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[Kodos]

The official Mizzou is awesome / Mizzou sucks thread - Front Office Football Central

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by cartman

Seriously, how deep is your BS well? You seem to have a never-ending stream of it to share.

OMG cartman, you're so upsessed with Missouri!

[CU Tiger]

The premier football conference in America....jock sniff much?

Not that I'd argue, but be sure to realzie that much like SC and Vandy Mizzou has doen nothing to contribute to that status, and I'd even submit that the luster was a bit tarnished by their inclusion.

And give it up with the secret 6 shit....every program has big boosters..the thing is boosters give big money for the benefits and deductions....200MM wouldn't qualify for the latter and there isnt enough of the former to go around.

But you should probably realize that Bama would laugh at your putrid 200,000,000 hell that was the offense's payroll last year.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

And give it up with the secret 6 shit....every program has big boosters..the thing is boosters give big money for the benefits and deductions....200MM wouldn't qualify for the latter and there isnt enough of the former to go around.

But you should probably realize that Bama would laugh at your putrid 200,000,000 hell that was the offense's payroll last year.

The big money guys aren't giving it away because of deductions. The guys we're talking about are guys who have nothing better to do with it. Mizzou has the Laurie's, the Kroenke's and four Fortune 500 execs who are making the big donations. There's nothing secret about that.

Your second point is very good and the exact reason why Mizzou is seeing a huge influx of money. Pinkel flat-out told the big money guys and the AD that they shouldn't bother going to the SEC if the big donors weren't willing to fund major renovations of the stadium and facilities to remain competitive with the other SEC schools. They said they would do so and so the move was made.

[britrock88]

So, how 'bout that MWC-CUSA merger? Any thoughts on the future of the Great West?

[bronconick]

Temple officially to the Big East. MAC gets $6 million out of it, or about 5 years worth of their current ESPN tv deal.

In less stunning news- The SEC is opposed to a 4 team conference champions only playoff.

[digamma]

So, over the last however many years Missouri has averaged about 13 million per year in alumni gifts to the athletic department. Now they have pledges for 15 times that? Over what time period?

And if they are really cutting $50 million checks to pay for renovations in cash, they need better financial planning. In this interest rate environment, that is just silly.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by digamma

So, over the last however many years Missouri has averaged about 13 million per year in alumni gifts to the athletic department. Now they have pledges for 15 times that?

YES!

Over what time period?

INSTANTLY!

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by digamma

So, over the last however many years Missouri has averaged about 13 million per year in alumni gifts to the athletic department. Now they have pledges for 15 times that? Over what time period?

And if they are really cutting $50 million checks to pay for renovations in cash, they need better financial planning. In this interest rate environment, that is just silly.

No, they are not paying for it in cash. They pull out bonds and repay them. It's a very common way of doing it. They did the same thing with the new basketball arena.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

No, they are not paying for it in cash. They pull out bonds and repay them. It's a very common way of doing it. They did the same thing with the new basketball arena.

Try to keep your stories consistent.

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

They didn't have to. The donors tossed it over as soon as the move was complete. To the tune of $200M thus far.

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

2. Checks for $50M were cut today by Mizzou alumni for beginning stages of football stadium expansion. Another $110M on top of that amount is pledged and forthcoming to complete latter stages of a football stadium expansion. All $160M was contingent on MU moving to the SEC.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by cartman

Try to keep your stories consistent.

Nothing inconsistent there. The money's been pledged whether I stated it to the nit-picking level that you require on every post. Thanks for your interest in Mizzou.

[cartman]

Ok, so the difference between:

"Checks for $50M were cut today" and "The money's been pledged"

is just nit-picking on my part.

My main interest in Mizzou (and most others here on the board that don't have a connection to the school) is how badly you have to twist and overstate things about them, then get indignant when called on it.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

[Butter]

Not that anyone cares, but sounds like Butler might get an invite from the A10 to replace Temple. Very excited if it does indeed come to pass. Plus, it adds another natural geographic rival for Dayton, Xavier, and St. Louis, who are on the far Western edge of the conference's geography.

[tarcone]

Yeah. I like that Bulter would be in. St Louis is along way away from anyone.
I wish St Louis would join the MVC.

[General Mike]

Someone throw me a frickin bone.

[Jon]

Originally Posted by General Mike

Someone throw me a frickin bone.

Did something happen that I missed?

[General Mike]

No, just not happy with my lot in life.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Emails show extensive efforts to prevent Missouri from leaving Big 12 Tiger Extra - Mizzou Sports | ColumbiaTribune.com

[General Mike]

All that tells me is Neinas is the biggest hypocrite in college sports.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Emails show extensive efforts to prevent Missouri from leaving Big 12 Tiger Extra - Mizzou Sports | ColumbiaTribune.com

Norfolk St

[kcchief19]

Originally Posted by General Mike

All that tells me is Neinas is the biggest hypocrite in college sports.

Among other things. Nienas is a huge joke in KC to all three fan bases. His getting booed at the Big 12 tournament here was pretty funny, as well as his continued aphasia.

[kcchief19]

Originally Posted by Chubby

Norfolk St

Maryland.

That's right, I just played some lacrosse smack.

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by Chubby

Norfolk St

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by Chubby

Norfolk St

MISSOURI IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS, THEY ARE VICTIMS IN ALL OF THIS. TEXAS TOLD THEM THEY COULDN'T PLAY ANYMORE, IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Eye On College Football - CBSSports.com Mike Slive: SEC expansion has "strengthened us" in TV negotiations

Asked by the Commercial-Appeal when those "re-negotiations" with CBS and ESPN would begin, Slive candidly answered with this (emphasis added):

"We have started discussions with both our television partners. We feel adding Texas A&M and Missouri has strengthened us in lots of ways, but it certainly strengthened us in television."

"It certainly strengthened us in television" is commissioner-speak for "Hey, you saw that very nice bump the Big 12 got in its post-expansion TV contract? We're going to make it look like the 47 cents in your Camry's ashtray.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by kcchief19

Maryland.

That's right, I just played some lacrosse smack.

Hey, I coulda told you before the season started that SU would be great but not be great

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Eye On College Football - CBSSports.com Mike Slive: SEC expansion has "strengthened us" in TV negotiations

Norfolk St

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Eye On College Football - CBSSports.com Mike Slive: SEC expansion has "strengthened us" in TV negotiations

This was more about the SEC going to 14 teams than adding A&M and Missouri.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Matthean

This was more about the SEC going to 14 teams than adding A&M and Missouri.

Well, it was more about going to 14 teams with high quality TV markets than just going to 14 teams. He made it quite clear throughout the process that the markets were a big factor in those selections.

[RedKingGold]

Now that Mizzou lost to Norfolk St. and Joakim Soria is out for the year, I think it's safe to say we have MBBF safely quarantined in this thread for the foreseeable future.

Lock it up before he escapes!

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

KU/MU: Acting like children | Upon Further Review

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Well, it was more about going to 14 teams with high quality TV markets than just going to 14 teams. He made it quite clear throughout the process that the markets were a big factor in those selections.

They aren't so big a factor to the Big 12's current negotiations, though. Despite losing great TV markets to the SEC and adding WVU and TCU, they're about to do a combined $2.5B TV rights deal with Fox and ESPN. Schools are going to get approximately $5M more a year without Missouri and aTm than with them.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

They aren't so big a factor to the Big 12's current negotiations, though. Despite losing great TV markets to the SEC and adding WVU and TCU, they're about to do a combined $2.5B TV rights deal with Fox and ESPN. Schools are going to get approximately $5M more a year without Missouri and aTm than with them.

That's not correct. The Big 12 didn't lose any markets. KU still has KC and the state of Texas hasn't changed hands in any way. I suppose they lost STL at some level, but it was already divided somewhat with B10 and SEC as well.

Also, the increase in value is a natural escalation of the contract more than any real gain. The SEC contract should be done by summer. That will tell a lot whether the B12 actually got a better deal or just another deal. I don't think anyone will feel sorry for the B12 institutions in any way. They've still got plenty of money to work with in the end.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

KU still has KC

So we should have seen the revenue go down, then?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

So we should have seen the revenue go down, then?

I wouldn't think there would be much of a change. It opened up a market for the SEC more than it took it away from the B12, no?

[Ksyrup]

Given the state of KU football, if it didn't drastically take away market losing Missouri, then there's not much market there to begin with.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Given the state of KU football, if it didn't drastically take away market losing Missouri, then there's not much market there to begin with.

If anything, the moving and shaking helped KU. Before the defections and threats, the revenue from football wasn't evenly distributed. There were some changes made this past year that helped KU keep more revenue despite the unfortunate state of their football program.

[Ksyrup]

That will be offset by the additions they had to make to the buffet offerings for their new coach.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

That will be offset by the additions they had to make to the buffet offerings for their new coach.

[Ksyrup]

Ah yes. Surprising that they got both the former and current coach to pose together.

[sterlingice]

Your 2016 KU Jayhawks football coach: Ralph Friedgen!

SI

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Your 2016 KU Jayhawks football coach: Ralph Friedgen!

SI

[Swaggs]

Fairly interesting article about Atlantic 10 expansion:BrewCity Ball CMS - The A10 waits to make its move

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Fairly interesting article about Atlantic 10 expansion:BrewCity Ball CMS - The A10 waits to make its move

Pretty good article, but I disagree vehemently with this:

So what happens then? All of a sudden, the CAA is down to ten members and the MVC is down to nine. I see the CAA standing pat; there are no real schools the conference would like to add out east, and they might only find a new team if Georgia State decides to join Charlotte in the Sun Belt (GSU added football in 2010).

The CAA would not stand pat if they lost VCU and/or Mason. For one, They'll be at an odd number of bball teams without VCU. For another, they see some combination of ODU/GSU/JMU eventually leaving for FBS. So, they would look to grow - I think likely trying to add a SoCon team or two - ASU, GoSo, Wofford type teams. But look for it to be more about fball in this scenario than bball, wanting to add all-sports teams.

All of that being said, there are a lot of denials coming out of the VCU and GMU camps, but they all seem to leave openings - "we are not pursuing the A10", etc.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Some surprisingly honest comments from the Louisville president this morning on local KC radio.

-Said he expects mega conferences (16 teams and up) within 5-7 years.
-Said he expects a playoff in 5-7 years.
-When asked if he would entertain any offers from large BCS football conference, he said that the landscape has changed to the point they would have to consider them. Said that football is king and the Big East TV contracts are relatively weak.
-When asked which conference Louisville would be a member of in 10 years, he laughed and said "I don't know. I'll just hedge my answer on that one."

[wade moore]

Bigger news to me than most people I'm sure since it impacts the CAA.

Georgia State University, with it's fledgling I-AA squad (2011-2012 was their last year as a probationary or whatever team) is going to the Sunbelt for all sports.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by wade moore

Bigger news to me than most people I'm sure since it impacts the CAA.

Georgia State University, with it's fledgling I-AA squad (2011-2012 was their last year as a probationary or whatever team) is going to the Sunbelt for all sports.

Have a brother in law that attended GSU. He'll be pretty excited about that.

[Swaggs]

Are any of the Clemson or Florida State folks hearing anything about a move to the Big 12? There have been lots of rumors from the WVU side of things that the Big 12's new TV contract would afford the opportunity for expansion and that adding those two schools (plus the conference championship game) would get in the $21-26-million range for Tier 1 and Tier 2 (and each of those schools could probably get another $5-10-million in Tier 3 distribution).

I guess that the thought is, with the ACC locked into its recent deal (that includes all 3 tiers), there is no way it can compete with those types of numbers and ESPN has little incentive to throw much more money to the ACC when it has it locked up (and the recent additions of Pitt and Syracuse don't add enough to the pot to jump 14 teams' revenues up into the range).

If those two jump, it could be serious armageddon, as you could see the Big Ten try to get some of the more academically prestigious state schools (Maryland, UVA, UNC) or possibly Georgia Tech or Duke and then see the SEC take a swing at getting into North Carolina (UNC or NC State) and Virginia (VPI).

Anyway, not sure if this is a Big 12 wet dream-type of thing or not, but I've been hearing for awhile that Clemson and Florida State are considering and seeing it from more and more sites lately.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Are any of the Clemson or Florida State folks hearing anything about a move to the Big 12? There have been lots of rumors from the WVU side of things that the Big 12's new TV contract would afford the opportunity for expansion and that adding those two schools (plus the conference championship game) would get in the $21-26-million range for Tier 1 and Tier 2 (and each of those schools could probably get another $5-10-million in Tier 3 distribution).

I guess that the thought is, with the ACC locked into its recent deal (that includes all 3 tiers), there is no way it can compete with those types of numbers and ESPN has little incentive to throw much more money to the ACC when it has it locked up (and the recent additions of Pitt and Syracuse don't add enough to the pot to jump 14 teams' revenues up into the range).

If those two jump, it could be serious armageddon, as you could see the Big Ten try to get some of the more academically prestigious state schools (Maryland, UVA, UNC) or possibly Georgia Tech or Duke and then see the SEC take a swing at getting into North Carolina (UNC or NC State) and Virginia (VPI).

Anyway, not sure if this is a Big 12 wet dream-type of thing or not, but I've been hearing for awhile that Clemson and Florida State are considering and seeing it from more and more sites lately.

They've talked about it quite a bit on the radio here in KC. Most believe it's just the Big 12 people throwing a hail-mary.