So The Superbowl is Over (Unofficial 2007 NFL Draft/Free Agency Thread) - Page 13

Honolulu_Blue · 03-13-2007, 03:51 PM

Here's what the Lions have been up during free agency:

They signed DE Dewayne White (Bucs).

They signed R.B. T.J. Ducket (Falcons) to a one year deal.

They signed WR Shaun MacDonald (Rams) to a two year deal.

They signed CB Travis Fisher (Rams) to a two year deal.

The Lions now have five running backs on the roster: Kevin Jones, Tatum Bell, TJ Duckett, Shaun Bryson, and Brian Calhoun. They are also rumored to be front-runners in the Chris Brown "sweepstakes". Apparently running backs are the new wide receivers.

Apparently, other than running backs, the only way the Lions will sign anyone is if they played under either Martz or Marinelli. A sounds strategy given how much collective success the Bucs and Rams have had over the last few years.

Coffee Warlord · 03-13-2007, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

This isn't necessarily my viewpoint, but I think the argument against what you said is that Briggs turned down a large extension, either recently or earlier in the season. Maybe it wouldn't have gotten him top dollar, but he turned it down knowing that there was a chance it could backfire with a franchise tag.

7 years, 33 million. And the Bears said flat out they were almost certainly gonna franchise him if the deal failed.

miked · 03-13-2007, 04:13 PM

It sucks because teams are using the franchise tag to lowball players. They are essentially trying to blackball them into signing below market deals because if the players don't accept, they get franchised and the player looks like a greedy fool. Why should Briggs have accepted that deal? It was significantly lower than what he would've gotten on the open market and the only reason the Bears offered it was so they could try and save face for when they franchised him. It's sort of ghey.

Edit to add: I agree that it should be brought up as a union thing, but as far as I know, Briggs can't control union deals when he's drafted, so he has a right to be upset. The Bears offer was not in good faith and they have turned it around on him now.

Coffee Warlord · 03-13-2007, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by miked

It sucks because teams are using the franchise tag to lowball players. They are essentially trying to blackball them into signing below market deals because if the players don't accept, they get franchised and the player looks like a greedy fool. Why should Briggs have accepted that deal? It was significantly lower than what he would've gotten on the open market and the only reason the Bears offered it was so they could try and save face for when they franchised him. It's sort of ghey.

What are they gonna do, give him 7, 8, 9 million a year? That'd be two linebackers taking up an enormous amount of cap room. He's good, but he's not THAT freakin' good. Obviously can't just let the guy walk, and no team is gonna give up that good of pick for a linebacker not named Urlacher or Lewis.

Honolulu_Blue · 03-13-2007, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

What are they gonna do, give him 7, 8, 9 million a year? That'd be two linebackers taking up an enormous amount of cap room. He's good, but he's not THAT freakin' good. Obviously can't just let the guy walk, and no team is gonna give up that good of pick for a linebacker not named Urlacher or Lewis.

No offense, CW, since I've always kinda likes the Bears, the trading of Thomas Jones and this whole Lance Briggs fiasco has been the best off-season news from a Lions-fan's perspective by far.

Passacaglia · 03-13-2007, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

No offense, CW, since I've always kinda likes the Bears, the trading of Thomas Jones and this whole Lance Briggs fiasco has been the best off-season news from a Lions-fan perspective by far.

As a fan of both the Bears and the Lions, it's not really looking like this will bring a huge change in status quo for either team.

Travis · 03-13-2007, 04:38 PM

Re: Briggs, tell you what buddy, go flip burgers for a year instead with the massive bonus you could get there. This isn't something that just sprang up, and as has been said, you're a part of the union, take your complaints there, it can be dealt with the next time they go to negotiations.

Sure, the owners may be using this clause to their advantage, like the players don't do it where they can too. Look at Dielman this year, 99% sure he had no intentions of signing anywhere other than SD but used his visits with other teams to set/raise his market value and got a better contract out of SD than they originally offered. That's a pretty above board example, but I'm sure you can find plenty of examples of players taking advantage of certain clauses to get perks in any of the major sports.

Suck it up because the alternatives for your skill set likely aren't nearly as lucrative and it's not anything new.

Fonzie · 03-13-2007, 04:55 PM

The Packers have signed ex-Giants' backup CB Frank Walker to a one-year deal. This is their first signing of the free agency period.

The move allegedly prompted Brett Favre to begin contemplating which finger he will adorn with his second Super Bowl ring.

WVUFAN · 03-13-2007, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by miked

It sucks because teams are using the franchise tag to lowball players. They are essentially trying to blackball them into signing below market deals because if the players don't accept, they get franchised and the player looks like a greedy fool. Why should Briggs have accepted that deal? It was significantly lower than what he would've gotten on the open market and the only reason the Bears offered it was so they could try and save face for when they franchised him. It's sort of ghey.

7 years, 33 million is NOT lowballing him for his talent level. Teams can't be expected to slit their own wrists, cap-wise, for a player just because some fool team (ie the 49ers) overpaid for someone in a similar position.

Briggs should be quiet, play for the 7 million a year(which is a nice bit of change, btw), then go to FA next year. He would look like a team players because he didn't bitch publically, and have the potential of making even more next year.

DeToxRox · 03-13-2007, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Here's what the Lions have been up during free agency:

They signed DE Dewayne White (Bucs).

They signed R.B. T.J. Ducket (Falcons) to a one year deal.

They signed WR Shaun MacDonald (Rams) to a two year deal.

They signed CB Travis Fisher (Rams) to a two year deal.

The Lions now have five running backs on the roster: Kevin Jones, Tatum Bell, TJ Duckett, Shaun Bryson, and Brian Calhoun. They are also rumored to be front-runners in the Chris Brown "sweepstakes". Apparently running backs are the new wide receivers.

Apparently, other than running backs, the only way the Lions will sign anyone is if they played under either Martz or Marinelli. A sounds strategy given how much collective success the Bucs and Rams have had over the last few years.

I like the Fisher deal. It seems likely he may start with Stanley Wilson to start the year at this point unless they have faith Bryant can be healthy then Fisher will be the Nickel Back.

As far as the RB's, I expect KJ and Calhoun won't be ready to go full tilt to start the year, and Bryson will play some FB. If we sign Brown I think Bell or Jone (if healthy) is gone and the Lions have talked to Dallas regarding Julius Jones.

Lots of crazyness in Detroit.

Mo.Raider · 03-14-2007, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Vinatieri for Prez

Raiders looking good in offseason!

What is the shelf life on things like this?

Vinatieri for Prez · 03-14-2007, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Mo.Raider

What is the shelf life on things like this?

'Til Al Davis leaves this world.

Mo.Raider · 03-14-2007, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinatieri for Prez

'Til Al Davis leaves this world.

Strong words. Did he cheat you in poker or something, or just own a football team you don't like?

rkmsuf · 03-15-2007, 02:05 PM

Moss to the Packers for Aaron Rodgers and a draft pick looks close to being done. That better be a good draft pick or multiple picks.

wade moore · 03-15-2007, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

Moss to the Packers for Aaron Rodgers and a draft pick looks close to being done. That better be a good draft pick or multiple picks.

Well, this shows what the Packers think of Rodgers for sure.

You again wonder - what the heck are they going to do when Favre stops coming back?

rkmsuf · 03-15-2007, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by wade moore

Well, this shows what the Packers think of Rodgers for sure.

You again wonder - what the heck are they going to do when Favre stops coming back?

the other question is why would the raiders want rodgers? unless I'm missing something, the times I've seen rodgers play the term "hopeless" came up. when the pats went up there it felt like the packers should have forfeited at halftime with him at the helm.

for the pack I would guess they feel like they have another year to draft another guy. looking at it they will have a kind of grace period when favre retires at least locally I would guess.

wade moore · 03-15-2007, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

the other question is why would the raiders want rodgers? unless I'm missing something, the times I've seen rodgers play the term "hopeless" came up. when the pats went up there it felt like the packers should have forfeited at halftime with him at the helm.

for the pack I would guess they feel like they have another year to draft another guy. looking at it they will have a kind of grace period when favre retires at least locally I would guess.

You didn't just attempt to apply logic to what the Raiders do, did you?

DeToxRox · 03-15-2007, 02:21 PM

Well now the Lions have a real shot to do something with a trade because it sounds like many teams look at Russell as nothing more then a second rounder so people looking for a QB are looking at Quinn. Detroit is in a great position to deal down and if they don't, they need to take Thomas.

rkmsuf · 03-15-2007, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by wade moore

You didn't just attempt to apply logic to what the Raiders do, did you?

whoops!

Raiders looking good in Moss trade.

albionmoonlight · 03-15-2007, 02:32 PM

Green Bay has had multiple training camps at which to look at Rogers.

And they are willing to trade him.

That should tell the Raiders everything that they need to know.

Logan · 03-15-2007, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRoxDVHStyle

Well now the Lions have a real shot to do something with a trade because it sounds like many teams look at Russell as nothing more then a second rounder so people looking for a QB are looking at Quinn. Detroit is in a great position to deal down and if they don't, they need to take Thomas.

Maybe I'm misreading this, but I don't understand where you're coming from at all. Are you trying to say that the Raiders will pass on Quinn due to this deal, strengthening the Lions' ability to move?

Russell has been their guy all along. People are figuring Quinn to go in the 6-9 range.

DeToxRox · 03-15-2007, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

Maybe I'm misreading this, but I don't understand where you're coming from at all. Are you trying to say that the Raiders will pass on Quinn due to this deal, strengthening the Lions' ability to move?

Russell has been their guy all along. People are figuring Quinn to go in the 6-9 range.

From what I've been reading people are split on Russell. Many teams have him listed as a second round pick because of his laxadasical attitude and poor work ethic. While two QB's will be available, many more teams feel Quinn is the guy they want. Cleveland will take one or the other, but if they want Quinn it'll make it more likely that a team like a Houston or Miami springboards them to take Quinn because they need a QB and don't feel Russell is their man.

QuikSand · 03-15-2007, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

That should tell the Raiders everything that they need to know.

Again, bravo for using logic, but you're clearly missing the key word in that sentence.

Hint: it's capitalized

Doug5984 · 03-15-2007, 03:41 PM

Huge news for the Saints today- it has nothing to do with signing players...

For the first time in maybe...ever? The superdome has sold all of the suites for the 2007 season. Also there is a waiting list well over 10,000 for season tickets- it's good to prove all the people who said New Orleans couldn't support the team wrong.

As for tickets- I know it will be hard to get them, we are trying to pick up 3 more in the terrace (current season ticket holders get first priority)- and when I talked to my ticket rep she said it wasn't looking like many tickets would become available.

stevew · 03-15-2007, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

the other question is why would the raiders want rodgers? unless I'm missing something, the times I've seen rodgers play the term "hopeless" came up. when the pats went up there it felt like the packers should have forfeited at halftime with him at the helm.

for the pack I would guess they feel like they have another year to draft another guy. looking at it they will have a kind of grace period when favre retires at least locally I would guess.

Favre's base salaries are so high that I still think that financially he'll play out the remainder of his deal(2-3 more years). They won't cut him, and I doubt they will make him take a paycut either. Unless he can't walk, he'll play.

stevew · 03-15-2007, 04:16 PM

dola-
Raiders looking good in pre-trade.

johnnyshaka · 03-16-2007, 01:31 AM

Eagles signed Kevin Curtis...$32 mil over 6 years.

albionmoonlight · 03-16-2007, 08:05 AM

Tampa Bay has brought Franchised Saints DE Charles Grant in for a visit.

If they sign him and the Saints don't match, they would have to give the Saints two #1s. Much more likely, if a deal were to happen, is that the parties work out a deal for something less than that.

Of course, high value trades within a division carry a certain sort of risk, so I'm not holding my breath that anything will happen as a result of that meeting.

MrIllini · 03-16-2007, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by johnnyshaka

Eagles signed Kevin Curtis...$32 mil over 6 years.

^
step 1: find black hole
step 2: walk to very edge of said black hole
step 3: throw $32 million (or whatever portion is guaranteed) into black hole

gottimd · 03-16-2007, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Tampa Bay has brought Franchised Saints DE Charles Grant in for a visit.

If they sign him and the Saints don't match, they would have to give the Saints two #1s. Much more likely, if a deal were to happen, is that the parties work out a deal for something less than that.

Of course, high value trades within a division carry a certain sort of risk, so I'm not holding my breath that anything will happen as a result of that meeting.

I'm confused. How is Tampa even negotiating with Grant if the Saints tagged him?

flere-imsaho · 03-16-2007, 09:59 AM

Moss to the Pack makes me LOL. He should be good for them in their two games against the Vikes this year, though.

stevew · 03-16-2007, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by gottimd

I'm confused. How is Tampa even negotiating with Grant if the Saints tagged him?

Cause the Saints gave him the lower of the two franchise tags. The "exclusive" one being the higher one, and being the one where you can't seek any other contracts.

M GO BLUE!!! · 03-16-2007, 10:03 AM

So if Tampa wants to sign him and New Orleans doesn't want to work out a trade, Tampa would owe the #4 pick in the draft and their pick next year?

Grant is good, but I'd let him walk for that. Hell, I'd call him a cab!

stevew · 03-16-2007, 10:16 AM

Aw Shiiii

Cardinals | Morey signs
Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:23:07 -0700
The Arizona Cardinals have signed unrestricted free-agent WR Sean Morey (Steelers) to a three-year deal. Financial terms were not disclosed.

Now the Cards have gone and done it.....

FrogMan · 03-16-2007, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Cause the Saints gave him the lower of the two franchise tags. The "exclusive" one being the higher one, and being the one where you can't seek any other contracts.

isn't that what they called "transition player" instead of franchise?

FM

stevew · 03-16-2007, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by FrogMan

isn't that what they called "transition player" instead of franchise?

FM

No, transition player is totally different.

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Franchise Free Agents (FFA)

A franchise player is offered a minimum of the average of the top five salaries at his position in the previous season, or a 20 percent salary increase, whichever is greater. This type of franchise player may negotiate with other clubs. His original club has seven days to match the offer and retain the player, or receive two first-round draft choices as compensation if the original club elects not to match.

Exclusive Franchise Free Agents (EFFA)

The second type of franchise player is offered a minimum of the average of the top five salaries at his position computed on April 15th at the end of restricted free agency, or a 20 percent salary increase, whichever is greater. Other clubs cannot negotiate with exclusive franchise players.

Basically the major difference being that an exclusive franchise player's contract is dependant on the salaries signed in the FA period as well. A few years back, IIRC, the contract that Winfield signed with the Vikes(huge year one cap roster bonus of 12m plus) caused the franchise tender number for Charles Woodson to go up by like 2m on it's own, since he was exclusive....

beargrowlz · 03-16-2007, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Aw Shiiii

Cardinals | Morey signs
Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:23:07 -0700
The Arizona Cardinals have signed unrestricted free-agent WR Sean Morey (Steelers) to a three-year deal. Financial terms were not disclosed.

Now the Cards have gone and done it.....

I remember when Morey first came into the league with the Pats. Hard working kid who plays way above his skill level - needed to considering he went to Brown.

Assuming the money was cheap, he'll be a decent 5th WR and good special teams player.

Real hard worker.

gottimd · 03-16-2007, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by M GO BLUE!!!

Grant is good, but I'd let him walk for that. Hell, I'd call him a cab!

But would you walk him to the cab and pay for the fare?

If Tampa has to give up a #4 pick and another pick the following year, I'd pack Grants belongings up for him and drive him to Tampa.

rkmsuf · 03-16-2007, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by beargrowlz

I remember when Morey first came into the league with the Pats. Hard working kid who plays way above his skill level - needed to considering he went to Brown.

Assuming the money was cheap, he'll be a decent 5th WR and good special teams player.

Real hard worker.

there's no evidence he worked any harder than anyone else

maybe if he tried harder he could have been the new hotness rather than mike furrey or wes welker or kevin curtis.

this is the era of the overachieving little white wideout! too bad Morey didn't apply himself!

beargrowlz · 03-16-2007, 10:58 AM

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this is the era of the overachieving little wide wideout! too bad Morey didn't apply himself!

They just don't like kids who went to college in Rhode Island. =P

albionmoonlight · 03-16-2007, 11:02 AM

When a trade rumor exists, it can be fun to go to the various fan message boards to see how out of touch fans are to actual market value.

Right now, Saints fans are saying things like "Well, if they offer us the #4 overall and a starting CB and a 3rd round pick for Grant, then I might consider it." And Bucs fans are saying things like "If we trade them our 6th rounder for Grant and their 7th rounder, then I think that is probably about fair--though I hate to lose that 6th rounder."

stevew · 03-16-2007, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by beargrowlz

I remember when Morey first came into the league with the Pats. Hard working kid who plays way above his skill level - needed to considering he went to Brown.

Assuming the money was cheap, he'll be a decent 5th WR and good special teams player.

Real hard worker.

Who cares about how hard he works. He still is a fringe player in the league, and his special teams "ace" ability is seriously overrated. I'm glad he's gone so I don't have to see another year of him getting blown past or blocked out of a return. He's a 31 year old with 3 career catches.

stevew · 03-16-2007, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

When a trade rumor exists, it can be fun to go to the various fan message boards to see how out of touch fans are to actual market value.

Right now, Saints fans are saying things like "Well, if they offer us the #4 overall and a starting CB and a 3rd round pick for Grant, then I might consider it." And Bucs fans are saying things like "If we trade them our 6th rounder for Grant and their 7th rounder, then I think that is probably about fair--though I hate to lose that 6th rounder."

What do you think is reasonably "fair?" Grant and #4 for #27 puts his "chart value" at the range of the 12th pick overall. Grant plus #27 plus the Saints 3rd for #4 seems like a reasonable solution too.

beargrowlz · 03-16-2007, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Who cares about how hard he works. He still is a fringe player in the league, and his special teams "ace" ability is seriously overrated.

Yes, he is a fringe player.

That's why he's mostly a special teams guy. Whole 'nuther debate here, but I'd rather a guy that works hard and busts his ass play special teams for me rather than a guy who has tons of talent and doesn't work hard.

But as someone pointed out earlier, whether he works hard or not is simply perception, so YMMV.

beargrowlz · 03-16-2007, 12:03 PM

Must
Stop
Urge
to
Defend
Cardinals
Moves

FrogMan · 03-16-2007, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

No, transition player is totally different.

Basically the major difference being that an exclusive franchise player's contract is dependant on the salaries signed in the FA period as well. A few years back, IIRC, the contract that Winfield signed with the Vikes(huge year one cap roster bonus of 12m plus) caused the franchise tender number for Charles Woodson to go up by like 2m on it's own, since he was exclusive....

ahh, okay. Thanks for the clarification.

FM

albionmoonlight · 03-16-2007, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

What do you think is reasonably "fair?" Grant and #4 for #27 puts his "chart value" at the range of the 12th pick overall. Grant plus #27 plus the Saints 3rd for #4 seems like a reasonable solution too.

I think that a DE who can play the run and the pass and is in the prime of his career and does not have an inury history is worth a middle of the first round pick.

That said, I don't really know what the Saints would do with the #4 overall. The only player at the top of the draft that fills a need is Calvin Johnson, and I see him going in the top three.

Also, if it is clear that the Saints are going to let Grant walk after this season, then that reduces his trade value.

flere-imsaho · 03-20-2007, 01:55 PM

From the "The Sky is Blue" department, apparently the Giants have started off-season workouts and despite pleas from Giants' brass and players, including Manning, both Shockey and Burress are absent.

Crapshoot · 03-20-2007, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

From the "The Sky is Blue" department, apparently the Giants have started off-season workouts and despite pleas from Giants' brass and players, including Manning, both Shockey and Burress are absent.

Voluntary workouts = voluntary attendance.

Vinatieri for Prez · 03-20-2007, 04:01 PM

OMG! The Pats sign another WR.

Resigned Bam Childress.

03-13-2007, 03:51 PM	#601
Honolulu_Blue Hockey Boy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Royal Oak, MI	Here's what the Lions have been up during free agency: They signed DE Dewayne White (Bucs). They signed R.B. T.J. Ducket (Falcons) to a one year deal. They signed WR Shaun MacDonald (Rams) to a two year deal. They signed CB Travis Fisher (Rams) to a two year deal. The Lions now have five running backs on the roster: Kevin Jones, Tatum Bell, TJ Duckett, Shaun Bryson, and Brian Calhoun. They are also rumored to be front-runners in the Chris Brown "sweepstakes". Apparently running backs are the new wide receivers. Apparently, other than running backs, the only way the Lions will sign anyone is if they played under either Martz or Marinelli. A sounds strategy given how much collective success the Bucs and Rams have had over the last few years. __________________ *Steve Yzerman*: 1,755 points in 1,514 regular season games. 185 points in 196 postseason games. A First-Team All-Star, Conn Smythe Trophy winner, Selke Trophy winner, Masterton Trophy winner, member of the Hockey Hall of Fame, Olympic gold medallist, and a three-time Stanley Cup Champion. Longest serving captain of one team in the history of the NHL (19 seasons).

03-13-2007, 04:13 PM	#603
miked College Starter Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The Dirty	It sucks because teams are using the franchise tag to lowball players. They are essentially trying to blackball them into signing below market deals because if the players don't accept, they get franchised and the player looks like a greedy fool. Why should Briggs have accepted that deal? It was significantly lower than what he would've gotten on the open market and the only reason the Bears offered it was so they could try and save face for when they franchised him. It's sort of ghey. Edit to add: I agree that it should be brought up as a union thing, but as far as I know, Briggs can't control union deals when he's drafted, so he has a right to be upset. The Bears offer was not in good faith and they have turned it around on him now. __________________ Commish of the United Baseball League (OOTP 6.5) Last edited by miked : 03-13-2007 at 04:15 PM.

03-15-2007, 02:05 PM	#614
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	Moss to the Packers for Aaron Rodgers and a draft pick looks close to being done. That better be a good draft pick or multiple picks. __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

03-16-2007, 12:03 PM	#645
beargrowlz High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Georgia	Must Stop Urge to Defend Cardinals Moves __________________ -Beargrowlz [email protected] TCY Golden Scribe Winner - Bear Goes Home "The measure of a man's real character is what he would do if he knew he would never be found out." --Thomas B. Macaulay

03-20-2007, 04:01 PM	#650
Vinatieri for Prez College Starter Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle	OMG! The Pats sign another WR. Resigned Bam Childress. Last edited by Vinatieri for Prez : 03-20-2007 at 04:01 PM.

03-13-2007, 04:38 PM	#607
Travis Pro Rookie Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Canada eh	Re: Briggs, tell you what buddy, go flip burgers for a year instead with the massive bonus you could get there. This isn't something that just sprang up, and as has been said, you're a part of the union, take your complaints there, it can be dealt with the next time they go to negotiations. Sure, the owners may be using this clause to their advantage, like the players don't do it where they can too. Look at Dielman this year, 99% sure he had no intentions of signing anywhere other than SD but used his visits with other teams to set/raise his market value and got a better contract out of SD than they originally offered. That's a pretty above board example, but I'm sure you can find plenty of examples of players taking advantage of certain clauses to get perks in any of the major sports. Suck it up because the alternatives for your skill set likely aren't nearly as lucrative and it's not anything new.

03-13-2007, 04:55 PM	#608
Fonzie Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Illinois	The Packers have signed ex-Giants' backup CB Frank Walker to a one-year deal. This is their first signing of the free agency period. The move allegedly prompted Brett Favre to begin contemplating which finger he will adorn with his second Super Bowl ring.

03-15-2007, 02:21 PM	#618
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Well now the Lions have a real shot to do something with a trade because it sounds like many teams look at Russell as nothing more then a second rounder so people looking for a QB are looking at Quinn. Detroit is in a great position to deal down and if they don't, they need to take Thomas.

03-15-2007, 02:32 PM	#620
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	Green Bay has had multiple training camps at which to look at Rogers. And they are willing to trade him. That should tell the Raiders everything that they need to know.

03-15-2007, 03:41 PM	#624
Doug5984 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Louisiana	Huge news for the Saints today- it has nothing to do with signing players... For the first time in maybe...ever? The superdome has sold all of the suites for the 2007 season. Also there is a waiting list well over 10,000 for season tickets- it's good to prove all the people who said New Orleans couldn't support the team wrong. As for tickets- I know it will be hard to get them, we are trying to pick up 3 more in the terrace (current season ticket holders get first priority)- and when I talked to my ticket rep she said it wasn't looking like many tickets would become available.

03-15-2007, 04:16 PM	#626
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	dola- Raiders looking good in pre-trade.

03-16-2007, 01:31 AM	#627
johnnyshaka College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Edmonton, AB	Eagles signed Kevin Curtis...$32 mil over 6 years.

03-16-2007, 08:05 AM	#628
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	Tampa Bay has brought Franchised Saints DE Charles Grant in for a visit. If they sign him and the Saints don't match, they would have to give the Saints two #1s. Much more likely, if a deal were to happen, is that the parties work out a deal for something less than that. Of course, high value trades within a division carry a certain sort of risk, so I'm not holding my breath that anything will happen as a result of that meeting.

03-16-2007, 09:59 AM	#631
flere-imsaho Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Chicagoland	Moss to the Pack makes me LOL. He should be good for them in their two games against the Vikes this year, though.

03-16-2007, 10:03 AM	#633
M GO BLUE!!! Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2005	So if Tampa wants to sign him and New Orleans doesn't want to work out a trade, Tampa would owe the #4 pick in the draft and their pick next year? Grant is good, but I'd let him walk for that. Hell, I'd call him a cab!

03-16-2007, 10:16 AM	#634
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Aw Shiiii Cardinals \| Morey signs Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:23:07 -0700 The Arizona Cardinals have signed unrestricted free-agent WR Sean Morey (Steelers) to a three-year deal. Financial terms were not disclosed. Now the Cards have gone and done it.....

03-16-2007, 11:02 AM	#641
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	When a trade rumor exists, it can be fun to go to the various fan message boards to see how out of touch fans are to actual market value. Right now, Saints fans are saying things like "Well, if they offer us the #4 overall and a starting CB and a 3rd round pick for Grant, then I might consider it." And Bucs fans are saying things like "If we trade them our 6th rounder for Grant and their 7th rounder, then I think that is probably about fair--though I hate to lose that 6th rounder."

03-20-2007, 01:55 PM	#648
flere-imsaho Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Chicagoland	From the "The Sky is Blue" department, apparently the Giants have started off-season workouts and despite pleas from Giants' brass and players, including Manning, both Shockey and Burress are absent.

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