2006 NHL Offseason Thread - Page 13

Booj · 07-13-2006, 12:03 AM

What a crazy great day to be a Habs fan... Losing out on Arnott and Shanahan hurt.. but getting Samsonov and trading Zednik makes for a great day... and Mike Johnson adds grit to the third line.

I think Gainey is done now, save for an Aebischer trade, maybe, but I don't see that happening until bigger goalies move (Belfour, Toskala/Nabokov, Biron, Legace)...

Now, I also wouldn't be surprised to see Ryder get traded after his salary is announced either after arby or before hand... This is the second year he has played hard ball with the Habs in a row, and I think he's worn out his welcome but the kid has some major trade value around the league (depending on his salary). Expect him to be packaged with Aebischer for a strong centre.

My wishlist for the remainder of the offseason?

1. Get rid of Ribeiro/Add a C- I'd take a 7th round pick for him at this point... put Plekanec on the second line with Kovalev/Ryder/Higgins/Samsonov and he'll perform... add Sykora, and the team is an instant contender in the East.

This is how I see the Habs as of right now...

Higgins-Koivu-Samsonov
Ryder-Ribeiro-Kovalev
Johnson-Plekanec-Perezhogin
Any combination of Bonk, Begin, Murray and Downey

This doesn't even account for any youngsters (Latendresse, Chipchura, Kostitsyn) who may make an impression in camp. I think the only players who aren't cemented in the opening night roster are Ribeiro and Perezhogin... they can be bumped.

On defence, no big surprises...

Markov-Rivet
Souray-Bouillon
Dandenault-Komisarek

And of course, Huet in nets...

sachmo71 · 07-13-2006, 08:29 AM

Kovalev behind Samsanov? Wow.

Suburban Rhythm · 07-13-2006, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Booj

Now, I also wouldn't be surprised to see Ryder get traded after his salary is announced either after arby or before hand... This is the second year he has played hard ball with the Habs in a row, and I think he's worn out his welcome but the kid has some major trade value around the league (depending on his salary). Expect him to be packaged with Aebischer for a strong centre.
Higgins-Koivu-Samsonov
Ryder-Ribeiro-Kovalev
Johnson-Plekanec-Perezhogin
Any combination of Bonk, Begin, Murray and Downey

Has Ryder played on the left side before? I thought he had always played the right side? I'd love to see him in Pittsburgh. Shero has said repeatedly he would deal for players rather than chase in free agency if the deal is right.

If Ryder can play on the left side, he'd look really nice next to Sid...or Malkin.

But, we have 1) no need for Aebischer and 2) no strong center to offer in return, other than maybe Malone.

Booj · 07-13-2006, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by sachmo71

Kovalev behind Samsanov? Wow.

Well, it's really a 1a and 1b scenario. The reason they need a centre (read: Lang or Sykora) is to take pressure off of Koivu.

I think what I'd like to see is Samsonov with Kovalev (if Samsonov can play the left side or Kovalev) with a guy like Sykora or Lang in the middle... but I don't think that will happen.

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Has Ryder played on the left side before? I thought he had always played the right side? I'd love to see him in Pittsburgh. Shero has said repeatedly he would deal for players rather than chase in free agency if the deal is right.

If Ryder can play on the left side, he'd look really nice next to Sid...or Malkin.

But, we have 1) no need for Aebischer and 2) no strong center to offer in return, other than maybe Malone.

I'm not sure if Ryder can play the left side... I'm pretty sure he's played there for a few games but the Habs always needed him on the right side because he is one of the few (only) right-handed shots on the team. I really think that Detroit is a possibility [Ryder, Aebischer for Lang].

Malone was rumoured to be traded here for a while at the deadline, but that never panned out, so that may be a possibility still if Gainey likes him... although I'm not sure that is too much of an upgrade over Ribeiro... wait, anyone would be an upgrade on Ribeiro...

sachmo71 · 07-13-2006, 10:09 AM

I always thought Kovalev and Samsanov were both LW...

Travis · 07-13-2006, 10:22 AM

Samsonov is a LW, and if you're relying on him being a first line winger, good luck.

Torres swapped from the left side to the right side to make room for Samsonov on the second line, so I somehow doubt you'll see Samsonov make the swap in Montreal. He's a good second line player, when he's on, but he's very hot and cold, not what you want to worry about on your top line ever night. This is a guy who's never scored 30 in a season (came close twice). Again, he's a nice second line threat to compliment and potentially take away from of the opposition coaching focus from your main guns, but at his age (given his track record), it's just hard to picture him turning the switch and becoming a true top line guy.

Honolulu_Blue · 07-13-2006, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Travis

Samsonov is a LW, and if you're relying on him being a first line winger, good luck.

Torres swapped from the left side to the right side to make room for Samsonov on the second line, so I somehow doubt you'll see Samsonov make the swap in Montreal. He's a good second line player, when he's on, but he's very hot and cold, not what you want to worry about on your top line ever night. This is a guy who's never scored 30 in a season (came close twice). Again, he's a nice second line threat to compliment and potentially take away from of the opposition coaching focus from your main guns, but at his age (given his track record), it's just hard to picture him turning the switch and becoming a true top line guy.

I have to agree. While there is no questioning that Samsonov has talent, I just don't think he's quite as good as he is billed to be. At least that was my impression of him in the playoffs.

There was a lot of talk that Detroit was keen to sign Samsonov this summer. If you believe the rumors he was just about to sign with the Wings yesterday before Gainey swooped in out of nowhere and snapped him up. While the Wings are desperate to add some scoring from the wing (especially since Shanahan left), I didn't really think Samsonov was the guy they needed. He's small, shifty, and fast, but he does disappear and has quite a history of injuries. The Wings need a scoring winger with a little more bulk and grit, though there is really no one out there left in free agency who fits that bill.

It will be interesting to see how much Samsonov got. He would certainly be worth it at the right price. I just don't think that price is too terribly high.

sachmo71 · 07-13-2006, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

I have to agree. While there is no questioning that Samsonov has talent, I just don't think he's quite as good as he is billed to be. At least that was my impression of him in the playoffs.

There was a lot of talk that Detroit was keen to sign Samsonov this summer. If you believe the rumors he was just about to sign with the Wings yesterday before Gainey swooped in out of nowhere and snapped him up. While the Wings are desperate to add some scoring from the wing (especially since Shanahan left), I didn't really think Samsonov was the guy they needed. He's small, shifty, and fast, but he does disappear and has quite a history of injuries. The Wings need a scoring winger with a little more bulk and grit, though there is really no one out there left in free agency who fits that bill.

It will be interesting to see how much Samsonov got. He would certainly be worth it at the right price. I just don't think that price is too terribly high.

Trade for Tkachuk.

Honolulu_Blue · 07-13-2006, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by sachmo71

Trade for Tkachuk.

Nothing would make the vast majority of Wings' fans happier (me excluded). Trust me.

Booj · 07-13-2006, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

It will be interesting to see how much Samsonov got. He would certainly be worth it at the right price. I just don't think that price is too terribly high.

He got 7.05 million over two years, which I think is pretty fair.

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I always thought Kovalev and Samsanov were both LW...

Kovalev has always played the right side in Montreal...

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Samsonov is a LW, and if you're relying on him being a first line winger, good luck.

Torres swapped from the left side to the right side to make room for Samsonov on the second line, so I somehow doubt you'll see Samsonov make the swap in Montreal. He's a good second line player, when he's on, but he's very hot and cold, not what you want to worry about on your top line ever night. This is a guy who's never scored 30 in a season (came close twice). Again, he's a nice second line threat to compliment and potentially take away from of the opposition coaching focus from your main guns, but at his age (given his track record), it's just hard to picture him turning the switch and becoming a true top line guy.

I personally think Montreal got him to be a complement to Kovalev/Higgins/Koivu. They aren't expecting a crazy amount from him (at least I'm not). I'm expecting him to play on 1a) or 1b) and bring somemore skill to the team. I see this move as adding depth to the scoring lines. I also like the fact that he chose to come to Montreal, and is not forced to come here. I'm not expecting 30 goals and 100 points. I'm expecting 20-25 goals but I also expect his presence to allow the other guys to bring their numbers up.

Pyser · 07-13-2006, 12:29 PM

im not usually one for rumors, but i read sykora to carolina, 4 years, $9mil.

also, another rumor i read (stupid message boards) is souray wants out of montreal.

Wolfpack · 07-13-2006, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyser

im not usually one for rumors, but i read sykora to carolina, 4 years, $9mil.

I'm not thinking this is true. The Hurricane boards I usually visit also aren't chirping about anything like this.
Carolina's already up to about $38 million committed for next year and JR has stated that he's planning on spending no more than $40 million. I would think they'd rather sign cheaply if at all and keep the cap space in reserve for any potential mid-season moves, which worked out very well for us last year when we got Weight and Recchi.

Karim · 07-13-2006, 04:02 PM

Gord Wilson, brother of Sharks GM Doug Wilson, who covers the Canadiens mentioned that Montreal has a hard time attracting free agents because of the God-awful taxation in Quebec. For example, when Montreal traded for Donald Audette, he was making $3 million US in Dallas. He paid $1 million US in taxes after the year in Montreal.

Wolfpack · 07-13-2006, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Karim

Gord Wilson, brother of Sharks GM Doug Wilson, who covers the Canadiens mentioned that Montreal has a hard time attracting free agents because of the God-awful taxation in Quebec. For example, when Montreal traded for Donald Audette, he was making $3 million US in Dallas. He paid $1 million US in taxes after the year in Montreal.

That's just to Quebec, right? 33%? Ouch. Then you throw in the federal taxes and the GST/PST whenever you buy anything.

And he just happened to come from a state that had no income tax. Lovely. Granted his federal taxes would have been about the amount he paid to Quebec, but at least he didn't have to worry about the GST and PST.

Fidatelo · 07-13-2006, 04:51 PM

But the GST is only 6% now, it's like its not even there!

For example, A slurpee refill at 7-11 used to be $1.13, now it's $1.12. I get one of those almost every day, so if I didn't throw my pennies at low-level beurocrats on my lunch breaks I'd be saving over $3 this year just on slurpees! I wonder if all those free agents thought of that!

Booj · 07-13-2006, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Karim

Gord Wilson, brother of Sharks GM Doug Wilson, who covers the Canadiens mentioned that Montreal has a hard time attracting free agents because of the God-awful taxation in Quebec. For example, when Montreal traded for Donald Audette, he was making $3 million US in Dallas. He paid $1 million US in taxes after the year in Montreal.

It's actually Murray, who is the worst and most boring, colourless colour man in radio...ugh..just the thought...

But, Gainey had a good clip when he said that the team said no to more players than they have had players say no to them...

Karim · 07-13-2006, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Booj

It's actually Murray, who is the worst and most boring, colourless colour man in radio...ugh..just the thought...

Right, Murray Wilson.

Who's Gord Wilson?

Maple Leafs · 07-13-2006, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Karim

Who's Gord Wilson?

He's the worst and most boring, colourless colour man in radio.

(He works for Ottawa.)

Cards4ever · 07-13-2006, 11:58 PM

Kessel is going to play one more year at Minnesota before turning pro.

mckerney · 07-14-2006, 12:51 AM

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Kessel is going to play one more year at Minnesota before turning pro.

Suburban Rhythm · 07-14-2006, 09:55 AM

Pens get some good news--

http://www.postgazette.com/pg/06195/705791-61.stm

The other two bids competing against Isle of Capri (which will front $290 mil for a new building) have agreed to commit $7.5 mil a year / 30 years towards a new building, contingent on winning th casino license.

Maple Leafs · 07-15-2006, 02:50 PM

For Sabres fans:
hxxp://www.fixthelogo.com/

Logan · 07-15-2006, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

For Sabres fans:
hxxp://www.fixthelogo.com/

Wow. It really does look like a hairpiece.

sterlingice · 07-15-2006, 03:25 PM

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Wow. It really does look like a hairpiece.

I didn't know Trump had bought the Sabres

SI

samifan24 · 07-15-2006, 03:50 PM

I've been away from a personal computer with internet access for some time but I'm glad to see you guys have been keeping up with all the moves. I know I can't. Chara and Savard on the Bruins? Pronger on the Ducks? Shanny on the Rangers? Too many players changing teams for my liking.

Karim · 07-15-2006, 04:38 PM

Way to throw your teammate under the bus...
http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=171382&hubname=

JonInMiddleGA · 07-15-2006, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Karim

Way to throw your teammate under the bus...
http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=171382&hubname=

I can't help but wonder whether there was some thought like:
"Oh, it's just a Russian newspaper, nobody back home will ever see or hear about this, I'll give them something good to put in the article."

Draft Dodger · 07-15-2006, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Karim

Way to throw your teammate under the bus...
http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=171382&hubname=

such a sharp contrast to the much more classier request made recently by Vesa Toskala
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/news_sto...ame=nhl-sharks

Chief Rum · 07-15-2006, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

I can't help but wonder whether there was some thought like:
"Oh, it's just a Russian newspaper, nobody back home will ever see or hear about this, I'll give them something good to put in the article."

Damn, that's very disappointing. Not only did he not really show himself in such a good light with respect to his plain ambition, but this was also incredibly stupid. Why would he think a Russian newspaper article wouldn't get back to the States? Or perhaps he knew it would and didn't care? Either way, I definitely don't like that.

Ilya, the roster is looking terrific for a good run next year at the Cup. For crying out loud, this was just bleepin' stupid.

I have always liked Jiggy, but I have felt he hasn't adapted to well to the new NHL. I wouldn't be surprised if he reads this, gets really hyped up and will be ready to be at his best going into camp, and we have seen what he can do when he is at his best.

As a Ducks fan, very mixed emotions. I think Ilya is the better keeper now and the future in net for sure. Jiggy, though, is the respected team member and a locker room leader who is also well liked by fans and led to the team to its greatest season ever. That's the wrong sorta guy to do this to.

Not surprised Jiggy isn't getting interest. His mediocre play and $4 M cap hit are a little much for other teams to take.

Pyser · 07-16-2006, 02:59 PM

interesting idea in the ny post regarding the devils:

Penguins and Caps remain substantially below the $28M cap floor. Wonder if either - more likely, Washington - would be interested in dealing for Vladimir Malakhov if Sergei Brylin and a third- or fourth-rounder were included in the package. There are no restrictions in the CBA against trading (or acquiring) suspended players. And if Malakhov remains suspended, the acquiring team would be able to use his contract to satisfy the cap-floor requirement without having to actually spend a nickel.

TazFTW · 07-17-2006, 05:07 AM

Apparently the Stars are close to signing Lindros.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=171388&hubname=nhl

Draft Dodger · 07-17-2006, 06:28 AM

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Apparently the Stars are close to signing Lindros.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=171388&hubname=nhl

it will seem weird seeing him play in the West.

sachmo71 · 07-17-2006, 08:31 AM

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Apparently the Stars are close to signing Lindros.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=171388&hubname=nhl

Wow, I'm not sure how I feel about that. As far as points, if he can stay healthy he can put up numbers comparable to Arnott. He is a powerplay virtuoso. He will play more physically than Arnott did. But...what will he do to the locker room? Can he stay healthy? Bah...and I don't want to like him.

Logan · 07-17-2006, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

it will seem weird seeing him play in the West.

Don't worry...there's a chance he'll never actually play.

Suburban Rhythm · 07-17-2006, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Pyser

interesting idea in the ny post regarding the devils:

Penguins and Caps remain substantially below the $28M cap floor. Wonder if either - more likely, Washington - would be interested in dealing for Vladimir Malakhov if Sergei Brylin and a third- or fourth-rounder were included in the package. There are no restrictions in the CBA against trading (or acquiring) suspended players. And if Malakhov remains suspended, the acquiring team would be able to use his contract to satisfy the cap-floor requirement without having to actually spend a nickel.

I could be wrong on this, so apologies in advance if that is the case.

But, my understanding was all potential bonuses count towards the cap, whether or not they are reached.

So, in the Pens case, Crosby and Malkin will both have potentially big bonus payouts--Crosby's salary last year was $900,000 or so, but with bonuses, his cap hit was like $3.9 mil. Malkin would be around the same. Same with any bonus money on Ryan Whitney's deal (he was signed pre-lockout, so under the old tiered structure I believe).

For Washington, assume Ovechkin in the same.

So, Pittsburgh should be much closer to $28 mil than it appears right now, plus will be bringing in at least one more player I imagine.

bbor · 07-17-2006, 10:36 AM

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Wow, I'm not sure how I feel about that. As far as points, if he can stay healthy he can put up numbers comparable to Arnott. He is a powerplay virtuoso. He will play more physically than Arnott did. But...what will he do to the locker room? Can he stay healthy? Bah...and I don't want to like him.

I think it's a great signing...and well worht the risk...last year he played 33 games and had 11g and 11a.Even if he gets that for you over the whole season it's worth 1.5 mil,butif he plays 60 games and get 20 goals and 20 assists it turns into a HUGE bargain.Lindros was fairly quiet in the Leaf dressing room from what i heard,no problems from him at all.

Travis · 07-17-2006, 12:32 PM

Svatos Contract Stalls

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Update: Negotiations between the Avalanche and Svatos (shoulder) are at a standstill, the Denver Post reports.

Recommendation: "We're at a point where it's tough to say where it goes from here," Svatos' agent Rich Evans said. Svatos, who tied for the team lead in goal-scoring (32) despite playing only 61 games because of a shoulder injury, has been tendered a qualifying offer of $495,000 for the upcoming season. Evans said Svatos' recovery from shoulder surgery is on schedule and he will be ready for training camp. But Svatos will not report to camp unless he agrees to a contract.

I'm quite amazed by this. I know the guy was essentially a rookie last year, but with that sort of performance, I'd have thought the Avalanche would have made him a much more serious offer out of the gates. I know with the salary cap that teams will try to get young players for as cheap as possible for as long as possible while they aren't eligible for UFA, but this was a good opportunity for Colorado to show some coin to the kid and hopefully engender the sort of two way relationship that would keep him with the team for a long time, and potentially save them some money if he can continue to score at anything close to the pace he did last year.

I don't really have any problems with this as I'm all for the Avalanche losing anybody with skill from their team, but still surprised.

Pyser · 07-17-2006, 12:40 PM

hxxp://www.fixthelogo.com/

gotta give it to the sabres fans there.

go sign the petition. why not?

Honolulu_Blue · 07-17-2006, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis

Svatos Contract Stalls

I'm quite amazed by this. I know the guy was essentially a rookie last year, but with that sort of performance, I'd have thought the Avalanche would have made him a much more serious offer out of the gates. I know with the salary cap that teams will try to get young players for as cheap as possible for as long as possible while they aren't eligible for UFA, but this was a good opportunity for Colorado to show some coin to the kid and hopefully engender the sort of two way relationship that would keep him with the team for a long time, and potentially save them some money if he can continue to score at anything close to the pace he did last year.

I don't really have any problems with this as I'm all for the Avalanche losing anybody with skill from their team, but still surprised.

I wouldn't read too much into the low qualifying offer. Based on my EHM experience, it's pretty typical to make a qualifying offer on restricted free agents just so you retain their rights. Once you've made the qualifying offer, then you start negotiating the real contract.

It's possible there was some discussion about a longer term deal, they couldn't agree on something, so they made the required qualifying offer and decided to work it out over the summer.

I imagine this happens quite a bit more nowadays, as it's important to sort of see where you're at salary-wise.

I doubt the Avs seriously considered the $495,000 qualifying offer as market value for Svatos.

Karim · 07-17-2006, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

But, my understanding was all potential bonuses count towards the cap, whether or not they are reached.

That's correct. Lindros just signed for a reported $1.5 million base salary but with $1 million in bonuses. That's a $2.5 million cap hit to the Stars UNTIL it's impossible for him to reach those bonuses.

Because of bonuses, Jason Allison made $3 million last year.

Suburban Rhythm · 07-17-2006, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Karim

That's correct. Lindros just signed for a reported $1.5 million base salary but with $1 million in bonuses. That's a $2.5 million cap hit to the Stars UNTIL it's impossible for him to reach those bonuses.

Because of bonuses, Jason Allison made $3 million last year.

Thanks.

Any idea what happens if/when it becomes impossible to reach the incentive levels?

For example, if the Pens go into the year at say $29 mil, and Malkin or Whitney do not perform, and do not receive so of the bonus money, and that pushed the Pens below the floor of $28 mil? What happens then?

Also, other Pens news--

Colby Armstrong and MA Fleury both let the deadline pass without signing their QO's. Nothing major, as both offers may have had 2-way clauses in them, and both are looking for one-way deals.

Draft Dodger · 07-17-2006, 08:27 PM

Peca to the Leafs.

RPI-Fan · 07-17-2006, 09:17 PM

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Peca to the Leafs.

Originally I wanted him to the Isles, but now that we have Witt, Sillinger, and Simon, we really don't need that kind of player.

Hopefully him and Tucker start fighting.

Draft Dodger · 07-18-2006, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by RPI-Fan

Originally I wanted him to the Isles, but now that we have Witt, Sillinger, and Simon, we really don't need that kind of player.

Hopefully him and Tucker start fighting.

at the very least, they should play together on a Whine Line.

bbor · 07-18-2006, 10:53 AM

2.5 mil for Peca is a risk i'll take.If nothing else he is prolly one of the best PK'ers in the league.

Draft Dodger · 07-18-2006, 11:18 AM

he's a player killer alright

Pyser · 07-18-2006, 12:05 PM

nj papers are saying gomez turned down a 1 yr, $4-mil contract from the devils, and talks have broken off, so the arbitration hearing is set for friday.

if the devs win and gomez stays at about $4m, gomez could stay. if gomez wins and gets 5-6m, he's gone. without any question.

very troubling overall. any trade would have to net a center in return, and a cheap one at that. i mean, brylin is our 2nd line center, and he only makes 1.5m and is still being talked about being moved.

i hope lou can spin his magic, i dont expect gionta to put up almost 50 goals without gomer.

bbor · 07-18-2006, 12:53 PM

Neil Smith get's canned a month into his new job.

Will Ted Nolan gm killer get blamed?

Honolulu_Blue · 07-18-2006, 12:59 PM

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Neil Smith get's canned a month into his new job.

Will Ted Nolan gm killer get blamed?

Wow. Huh. Well, it certainly wont help Nolan's reputation as a "GM Killer", that's for sure.

If Neil Smith the GM is anything like Neil Smith to color commentator, I would have fired him weeks ago.

Draft Dodger · 07-18-2006, 01:22 PM

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If Neil Smith the GM is anything like Neil Smith to color commentator, I would have fired him weeks ago.

get off my soapbox!

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samifan24 Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NC	I've been away from a personal computer with internet access for some time but I'm glad to see you guys have been keeping up with all the moves. I know I can't. Chara and Savard on the Bruins? Pronger on the Ducks? Shanny on the Rangers? Too many players changing teams for my liking. __________________ "You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball...and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time." -Jim Bouton

07-13-2006, 12:03 AM	#601
Booj High School JV Join Date: Feb 2003	What a crazy great day to be a Habs fan... Losing out on Arnott and Shanahan hurt.. but getting Samsonov and trading Zednik makes for a great day... and Mike Johnson adds grit to the third line. I think Gainey is done now, save for an Aebischer trade, maybe, but I don't see that happening until bigger goalies move (Belfour, Toskala/Nabokov, Biron, Legace)... Now, I also wouldn't be surprised to see Ryder get traded after his salary is announced either after arby or before hand... This is the second year he has played hard ball with the Habs in a row, and I think he's worn out his welcome but the kid has some major trade value around the league (depending on his salary). Expect him to be packaged with Aebischer for a strong centre. My wishlist for the remainder of the offseason? 1. Get rid of Ribeiro/Add a C- I'd take a 7th round pick for him at this point... put Plekanec on the second line with Kovalev/Ryder/Higgins/Samsonov and he'll perform... add Sykora, and the team is an instant contender in the East. This is how I see the Habs as of right now... Higgins-Koivu-Samsonov Ryder-Ribeiro-Kovalev Johnson-Plekanec-Perezhogin Any combination of Bonk, Begin, Murray and Downey This doesn't even account for any youngsters (Latendresse, Chipchura, Kostitsyn) who may make an impression in camp. I think the only players who aren't cemented in the opening night roster are Ribeiro and Perezhogin... they can be bumped. On defence, no big surprises... Markov-Rivet Souray-Bouillon Dandenault-Komisarek And of course, Huet in nets...

07-13-2006, 08:29 AM	#602
sachmo71 The boy who cried Trout Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: TX	Kovalev behind Samsanov? Wow.

07-13-2006, 10:09 AM	#605
sachmo71 The boy who cried Trout Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: TX	I always thought Kovalev and Samsanov were both LW...

07-13-2006, 10:22 AM	#606
Travis Pro Rookie Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Canada eh	Samsonov is a LW, and if you're relying on him being a first line winger, good luck. Torres swapped from the left side to the right side to make room for Samsonov on the second line, so I somehow doubt you'll see Samsonov make the swap in Montreal. He's a good second line player, when he's on, but he's very hot and cold, not what you want to worry about on your top line ever night. This is a guy who's never scored 30 in a season (came close twice). Again, he's a nice second line threat to compliment and potentially take away from of the opposition coaching focus from your main guns, but at his age (given his track record), it's just hard to picture him turning the switch and becoming a true top line guy.

07-13-2006, 12:29 PM	#611
Pyser Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Los Angeles	im not usually one for rumors, but i read sykora to carolina, 4 years, $9mil. also, another rumor i read (stupid message boards) is souray wants out of montreal.

07-13-2006, 04:02 PM	#613
Karim College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Calgary	Gord Wilson, brother of Sharks GM Doug Wilson, who covers the Canadiens mentioned that Montreal has a hard time attracting free agents because of the God-awful taxation in Quebec. For example, when Montreal traded for Donald Audette, he was making $3 million US in Dallas. He paid $1 million US in taxes after the year in Montreal.

07-15-2006, 04:38 PM	#626
Karim College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Calgary	Way to throw your teammate under the bus... http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=171382&hubname=

07-16-2006, 02:59 PM	#630
Pyser Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Los Angeles	interesting idea in the ny post regarding the devils: Penguins and Caps remain substantially below the $28M cap floor. Wonder if either - more likely, Washington - would be interested in dealing for Vladimir Malakhov if Sergei Brylin and a third- or fourth-rounder were included in the package. There are no restrictions in the CBA against trading (or acquiring) suspended players. And if Malakhov remains suspended, the acquiring team would be able to use his contract to satisfy the cap-floor requirement without having to actually spend a nickel.

07-17-2006, 05:07 AM	#631
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	Apparently the Stars are close to signing Lindros. http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=171388&hubname=nhl __________________ "Teams don't want to make the trip anymore," says Hawaii coach June Jones. "They come here, we kick their ass, they go home." Fire Ron Lee.

07-17-2006, 12:40 PM	#638
Pyser Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Los Angeles	hxxp://www.fixthelogo.com/ gotta give it to the sabres fans there. go sign the petition. why not?

07-17-2006, 08:27 PM	#642
Draft Dodger Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Keene, NH	Peca to the Leafs. __________________ Mile High Hockey

07-18-2006, 10:53 AM	#645
bbor Pro Starter Join Date: May 2001 Location: toronto	2.5 mil for Peca is a risk i'll take.If nothing else he is prolly one of the best PK'ers in the league. __________________ Pumpy Tudors Now that I've cracked and made that admission, I wonder if I'm only a couple of steps away from wanting to tongue-kiss Jaromir Jagr and give Bobby Clarke a blowjob.

07-18-2006, 11:18 AM	#646
Draft Dodger Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Keene, NH	he's a player killer alright __________________ Mile High Hockey

07-18-2006, 12:05 PM	#647
Pyser Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Los Angeles	nj papers are saying gomez turned down a 1 yr, $4-mil contract from the devils, and talks have broken off, so the arbitration hearing is set for friday. if the devs win and gomez stays at about $4m, gomez could stay. if gomez wins and gets 5-6m, he's gone. without any question. very troubling overall. any trade would have to net a center in return, and a cheap one at that. i mean, brylin is our 2nd line center, and he only makes 1.5m and is still being talked about being moved. i hope lou can spin his magic, i dont expect gionta to put up almost 50 goals without gomer.

07-18-2006, 12:53 PM	#648
bbor Pro Starter Join Date: May 2001 Location: toronto	Neil Smith get's canned a month into his new job. Will Ted Nolan gm killer get blamed? __________________ Pumpy Tudors Now that I've cracked and made that admission, I wonder if I'm only a couple of steps away from wanting to tongue-kiss Jaromir Jagr and give Bobby Clarke a blowjob. Last edited by bbor : 07-18-2006 at 12:53 PM.

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