*World Cup Game Discussion Thread* (SPOILERS) - Page 13

Fighter of Foo · 06-12-2006, 01:32 PM

The fact that we were crap and had no energy in the first half bothers me MUCH more than the loss itself.

MrBug708 · 06-12-2006, 01:33 PM

I think we need to do a rebuild on the scale of a Schmidty rebuild. We went for a team, but it wasnt good enough. Trade everyone for draft picks and try again!

We need to go out and find Brazillian players with a great great great grandfather who was American

SunDevil · 06-12-2006, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

We need to go out and find American players with a great great great grandfather who was Brazillian

Fixed it for ya.

MrBug708 · 06-12-2006, 01:36 PM

Or

Maybe Anshultz should fold MLS, buy a Premiership team and stock it with American players. At least then our guys would have some clue what top flight competition is like.

Dunleavy · 06-12-2006, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Fighter of Foo

The fact that we were crap and had no energy in the first half bothers me MUCH more than the loss itself.

what about the fact that coming out of half time we still had NO passion

DaddyTorgo · 06-12-2006, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by kingfc22

I think our best chance is to have Italy and Ghana tie. (1 pt. each)
Have them both lose the the CR.
And then it is up to us to get a tie and a win in our last two games.

CR - 9 pts.
US - 4 pts.
Ghana or Italy - 2 pts.
Ghana or Italy - 1 pt.

Not sure how realistic this is, but it's the only way I see us advancing to the round of 16.

this was my thought too. we just have to hope the czechs are world-beaters and can take out everyone and we can ride their coattails and hope for a draw in this next game and to at least get one of the two wins.

Butter · 06-12-2006, 02:01 PM

I think they need 2 wins, period. I don't think they get them if they play anything like today. We have 5 days to wait, so let's wait and see what happens.

Fighter of Foo · 06-12-2006, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Dunleavy

what about the fact that coming out of half time we still had NO passion

I thought the 2nd half was infinitely better than the first as far as the pace of the team is concerned.

Unfortunately, that's not saying much, and the increased pace led to passing the ball to the wrong team more often than not.

Schmidty · 06-12-2006, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

I think we need to do a rebuild on the scale of a Schmidty rebuild. We went for a team, but it wasnt good enough. Trade everyone for draft picks and try again!

We need to go out and find Brazillian players with a great great great grandfather who was American

I don't rebuild. I retool.

rexallllsc · 06-12-2006, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

Or

Maybe Anshultz should fold MLS, buy a Premiership team and stock it with American players. At least then our guys would have some clue what top flight competition is like.

No way. Donovan's competition is just as good in the MLS as it would be elsewhere.

cartman · 06-12-2006, 02:11 PM

Looks like the guy from Ghana landed squarely on his tailbone.

DaddyTorgo · 06-12-2006, 02:12 PM

why can't african countries develop good GK's?

cartman · 06-12-2006, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

why can't african countries develop good GK's?

Hakeem Olajuwon was a GK before he took up basketball.

Blade6119 · 06-12-2006, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

I think we need to do a rebuild on the scale of a Schmidty rebuild. We went for a team, but it wasnt good enough. Trade everyone for draft picks and try again!

We need to go out and find Brazillian players with a great great great grandfather who was American

No, just kidnap a bunch of brazilian mothers right before they give birth, allow them to do so in america, and drop em back. Free american citizens

moriarty · 06-12-2006, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by rexallllsc

No way. Donovan's competition is just as good in the MLS as it would be elsewhere.

Blade6119 · 06-12-2006, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by rexallllsc

No way. Donovan's competition is just as good in the MLS as it would be elsewhere.

Prob. better actually, as he was with the leverskuken reserve team...is the MLS better then their reserves? lol

rexallllsc · 06-12-2006, 02:21 PM

Harkes criticized Arena for moving Beasley to the right, and for having Lewis and Convey on the same side...

rexallllsc · 06-12-2006, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Blade6119

Prob. better actually, as he was with the leverskuken reserve team...is the MLS better then their reserves? lol

Donovan didn't have the desire to try and crack the Leverkusen first team.

SunDevil · 06-12-2006, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by rexallllsc

Donovan didn't have the desire to try and crack the Leverkusen first team.

That desire seems to be consistent with what I saw today....

moriarty · 06-12-2006, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Blade6119

Prob. better actually, as he was with the leverskuken reserve team...is the MLS better then their reserves? lol

He actually did play some with the first team. I didn't follow his second stint with the club that close, but I do know he played in a Champions League game against Liverpool ... and was awful. I recall one ball that drifted right in front of him in the box, all he had to do what put a good foot on it and he whiffed. I mean, whiffed. It was ugly.

Crapshoot · 06-12-2006, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by moriarty

He actually did play some with the first team. I didn't follow his second stint with the club that close, but I do know he played in a Champions League game against Liverpool ... and was awful. I recall one ball that drifted right in front of him in the box, all he had to do what put a good foot on it and he whiffed. I mean, whiffed. It was ugly.

Yeah - it was pretty bad. Donovan is talented, but on evidence, he simply could not cut it in Germany (and I'm sure his homesickness had something to do with it). I think England might be a good place for him, but no team is going to make him the focal point of their attack - he's simply not shown enough.

rexallllsc · 06-12-2006, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by moriarty

C'mon guy, don't make me use the [sarcasm] tags!

moriarty · 06-12-2006, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by kingfc22

Need an Italy/Ghana tie.

Only 60 more minutes.

moriarty · 06-12-2006, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by rexallllsc

C'mon guy, don't make me use the [sarcasm] tags!

I assumed the sarcasm, but it still deserved an 'eek'.

DaddyTorgo · 06-12-2006, 02:31 PM

ghana looks solid so far, although their keeper is stereotypically bad

DaddyTorgo · 06-12-2006, 02:31 PM

OHHHH! how'd he put that over?!!?!

rexallllsc · 06-12-2006, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by moriarty

I assumed the sarcasm, but it still deserved an 'eek'.

Heehe.

rexallllsc · 06-12-2006, 02:35 PM

I'll paraphrase Jim Rome:

I still don't like soccer, but when Rosicky split that American D I felt ashamed to be American for a moment.

HAHAH

cartman · 06-12-2006, 02:35 PM

Totti definitely can blast a free kick.

Arles · 06-12-2006, 02:35 PM

I think the US media was hyping this US team way too much. For the past two days, I've seen about 25 videos on this "Gooch" guy - they were acting like he was the second coming of John Terry. In the end, he looked like the second coming of Alexei Lalas. Same goes for this Beasley kid.

Let's be real, the US got a very tough draw and needed to scratch and claw to beat out two better team in the Czechs and Italy. Instead, everyone in the media was wondering how the US would matchup with Brazil after round 1. To me, this is akin to the 00-04 Gonzaga teams looking past a sweet 16 matchup with Kansas and an elite 8 matchup with Arizona - and instead talking about how they matchup with Duke in the final 4 before playing any of the games.

rkmsuf · 06-12-2006, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

ghana looks solid so far, although their keeper is stereotypically bad

how can their keeper be bad when there is no score?

DaddyTorgo · 06-12-2006, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

how can their keeper be bad when there is no score?

he's gotten lucky...he's been way out of position and rushing out crazily on crosses and such.

sovereignstar · 06-12-2006, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

ghana looks solid so far, although their keeper is stereotypically bad

I don't know. He looked pretty good on that corner kick.

DaddyTorgo · 06-12-2006, 02:40 PM

short corner that worked! and hey that's bad...italy 1-0...cmon ghana!

moriarty · 06-12-2006, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Arles

I think the US media was hyping this US team way too much. For the past two days, I've seen about 25 videos on this "Gooch" guy - they were acting like he was the second coming of John Terry. In the end, he looked like the second coming of Alexei Lalas. Same goes for this Beasley kid.

Gooch is fairly inexperienced at the international level. He only got his first cap a couple of years ago, and I think it pretty much showed in this match. I really think he'll do better the rest of the tournament. Pope lost his quickness a few years ago, and it's probably a bad sign we don't have anyone else who can remove him from the roster (possibly Gibbs, but he's injured).

Beasley is a head scratcher. He's played well in the past, given teams like Mexico fits and he's even had good peformances for PSV in Europe (including some champions league goals) albeit usually off the bench. I'm not sure if it was injuries he had last year or what, but all of a sudden in 2006, the guy looks a shell of himself for both club and country. Oh, and he also got busted for drunk driving ... I hope the two aren't related.

RendeR · 06-12-2006, 02:45 PM

An Italy win here could be seriously bad for the US chances.

rkmsuf · 06-12-2006, 02:46 PM

US is not beating It-le. Close up shop.

tanglewood · 06-12-2006, 02:46 PM

Totti bossing the game, but Ghana playing well too.

DaddyTorgo · 06-12-2006, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

US is not beating It-le. Close up shop.

unless ghana gets a goal and pulls out a tie i agree

sovereignstar · 06-12-2006, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RendeR

An Italy win here could be seriously bad for the US chances.

do ya think?

RendeR · 06-12-2006, 02:47 PM

Was that too much stating the obvious?

3ric · 06-12-2006, 02:49 PM

Great game so far, the Italians are impressive (esp. Luca Toni, first time I've seen him play)

rkmsuf · 06-12-2006, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

unless ghana gets a goal and pulls out a tie i agree

what difference does that make. it will still be an L for the us when they play it-le. close up shop then if you like.

DaddyTorgo · 06-12-2006, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

what difference does that make. it will still be an L for the us when they play it-le. close up shop then if you like.

unless we can pull a tie against italy? play 11 men behind the ball and pack it up so they can't move?

AlexB · 06-12-2006, 02:52 PM

Martin O'Neill is a brave man - sitting next to Marcel Desailly in the BBC Studio, after Desailly gives glowing praise for Ghana, MON rips both him and Ghana to pieces

Desailly's just sat there shaking his head in a strop!

RendeR · 06-12-2006, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

what difference does that make. it will still be an L for the us when they play it-le. close up shop then if you like.

I understand that Italy is good, but who's sleping with you and paying you too to get you to ride their ass so well? Move to IT-LE or something =)

bronconick · 06-12-2006, 02:54 PM

The US may want to concentrate on scoring a goal and/or beating Ghana just so they don't finish last again. Advancing? Not with that goal differential.

Desnudo · 06-12-2006, 02:57 PM

Judging by the first half, I think either Ghana or Italy would beat the US right now.

rkmsuf · 06-12-2006, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

unless we can pull a tie against italy? play 11 men behind the ball and pack it up so they can't move?

great. now the us can be pussies as well.

sovereignstar · 06-12-2006, 02:57 PM

I have a hunch that these Chinese analysts are making some very valid points about the Italy-Ghana game.

06-12-2006, 02:01 PM	#607
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	I think they need 2 wins, period. I don't think they get them if they play anything like today. We have 5 days to wait, so let's wait and see what happens. __________________ My listening habits

06-12-2006, 02:11 PM	#611
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	Looks like the guy from Ghana landed squarely on his tailbone. __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

06-12-2006, 02:35 PM	#629
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	Totti definitely can blast a free kick. __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

06-12-2006, 02:45 PM	#636
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	An Italy win here could be seriously bad for the US chances. __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

06-12-2006, 02:46 PM	#637
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	US is not beating It-le. Close up shop. __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

06-12-2006, 01:32 PM	#601
Fighter of Foo College Prospect Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Boston, MA	The fact that we were crap and had no energy in the first half bothers me MUCH more than the loss itself.

06-12-2006, 01:33 PM	#602
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	I think we need to do a rebuild on the scale of a Schmidty rebuild. We went for a team, but it wasnt good enough. Trade everyone for draft picks and try again! We need to go out and find Brazillian players with a great great great grandfather who was American

06-12-2006, 01:36 PM	#604
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Or Maybe Anshultz should fold MLS, buy a Premiership team and stock it with American players. At least then our guys would have some clue what top flight competition is like.

06-12-2006, 02:12 PM	#612
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	why can't african countries develop good GK's?

06-12-2006, 02:21 PM	#617
rexallllsc Banned Join Date: May 2003	Harkes criticized Arena for moving Beasley to the right, and for having Lewis and Convey on the same side...

06-12-2006, 02:31 PM	#625
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	ghana looks solid so far, although their keeper is stereotypically bad

06-12-2006, 02:31 PM	#626
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	OHHHH! how'd he put that over?!!?!

06-12-2006, 02:35 PM	#628
rexallllsc Banned Join Date: May 2003	I'll paraphrase Jim Rome: I still don't like soccer, but when Rosicky split that American D I felt ashamed to be American for a moment. HAHAH

06-12-2006, 02:35 PM	#630
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	I think the US media was hyping this US team way too much. For the past two days, I've seen about 25 videos on this "Gooch" guy - they were acting like he was the second coming of John Terry. In the end, he looked like the second coming of Alexei Lalas. Same goes for this Beasley kid. Let's be real, the US got a very tough draw and needed to scratch and claw to beat out two better team in the Czechs and Italy. Instead, everyone in the media was wondering how the US would matchup with Brazil after round 1. To me, this is akin to the 00-04 Gonzaga teams looking past a sweet 16 matchup with Kansas and an elite 8 matchup with Arizona - and instead talking about how they matchup with Duke in the final 4 before playing any of the games.

06-12-2006, 02:40 PM	#634
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	short corner that worked! and hey that's bad...italy 1-0...cmon ghana!

06-12-2006, 02:46 PM	#638
tanglewood College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2004	Totti bossing the game, but Ghana playing well too.

06-12-2006, 02:47 PM	#641
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	Was that too much stating the obvious? __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png Last edited by RendeR : 06-12-2006 at 02:48 PM.

06-12-2006, 02:49 PM	#642
3ric College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Sweden	Great game so far, the Italians are impressive (esp. Luca Toni, first time I've seen him play) __________________ San Diego Chargers (HFL) - Lappland Reindeers (WOOF) - Gothenburg Giants (IHOF) Indiana: A TCY VC - year 2044 - the longest running dynasty ever on FOFC!

06-12-2006, 02:52 PM	#645
AlexB Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Newbury, England	Martin O'Neill is a brave man - sitting next to Marcel Desailly in the BBC Studio, after Desailly gives glowing praise for Ghana, MON rips both him and Ghana to pieces Desailly's just sat there shaking his head in a strop! __________________ 'A song is a beautiful lie', Idlewild, Self Healer. When you're smiling, the whole world smiles with you. Sports!

06-12-2006, 02:54 PM	#647
bronconick College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kalamazoo, MI	The US may want to concentrate on scoring a goal and/or beating Ghana just so they don't finish last again. Advancing? Not with that goal differential.

06-12-2006, 02:57 PM	#648
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	Judging by the first half, I think either Ghana or Italy would beat the US right now.

06-12-2006, 02:57 PM	#650
sovereignstar Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004	I have a hunch that these Chinese analysts are making some very valid points about the Italy-Ghana game.

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