Sony PS3 to be delayed to 07, and Cost $900 to make?

[dervack]

Sony has cut back the launch quantities in japan from 100,000 to 80,000.

[SirFozzie]

Ok, what the fuck was that sony commercial with the plastic baby and the PS3 about?

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Ok, what the fuck was that sony commercial with the plastic baby and the PS3 about?

Yeah... it was quite disturbing.

That would make me run from the PS3.

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Ok, what the fuck was that sony commercial with the plastic baby and the PS3 about?

Glad to know I'm not the only one who didn't "get" that commercial.

[hukarez]

Originally Posted by General Mike

This thread is hilarious.

Here you go!

http://angrysonyfanboy.ytmnd.com/

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

I'm glad I'm not in charge of either of these gaming divisions (MS or Sony). While Sony is taking a big loss up front, Microsoft's Xbox gaming division is still not a profitable division after what, 4-5 years or so? I saw the CEO of the MS gaming division say that they hoped to be profitable in 3-4 years. I need to find a job where I can be an executive and take a huge loss early on or not make a profit for 7-10 years!

In the end, it doesn't matter a whole lot. It's mostly fanboy talk and both systems will be around for several years to come.

[SackAttack]

I'm laughing so hard at the news out of Sony in the last couple of days.

First, the $1.7 BILLION loss for their games division this year, and now the 20% allocation cut in Japan.

I guess the upshot for them is it's in Japan, because if they had cut domestic supply by that much, the backlash would've been horrific.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

I guess the upshot for them is it's in Japan, because if they had cut domestic supply by that much, the backlash would've been horrific.

Wouldn't the 'domestic' supply be the Japan supply? Just curious.

[SirFozzie]

Well, looking at it this way. A 20% cut really doesn't mean too too much in japan on launch day, they were only getting 100K anyway, now they're only getting 80K. it's already cut to the bone, it's just a little deeper now.

a 20% cut in the US would have been the worst thing that could happen, Sony's releasing 400K on launch day, 20%? that's EIGHTY THOUSAND PS3's that would not ship.

So they're robbing Peter to pay Paul, but they have to do it this way. They know they have the Japanese Market against XBox (with Nintendo an unknown this generation), but they MUST hold the US line against both XBox and Wii.

[Deattribution]

I think Nintendo gets the Japan market, atleast initially not just because the release #'s but I think the PS3 will be a little harder sale due to the price point and it looks like they are anticipating this due to the price drop. In the US, they will fly off the shelves for the first six months just because it's the hot new toy alone.

[SirFozzie]

Not sure about the US, the buzz seems to be pointing at the Wii as the Cool Toy of the Christmas season as set by some of the toy stores.

[Deattribution]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Not sure about the US, the buzz seems to be pointing at the Wii as the Cool Toy of the Christmas season as set by some of the toy stores.

Go try to get a PS3 preorder, or better yet try to buy one on launch day

The Wii has potential to go either way, it could be a novelty, or it could revolutionary. If the first stream of 'Wii mote' games do great, it'll push them for the long run... If all those games bomb, then the system will seriously take a hit since it's their selling point, without it they can't compete in Sony/MS's department.

Either way, both will initially sell, every new system does (MS,PS and Nintendo that is) no matter price or quality in this generation.

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Wouldn't the 'domestic' supply be the Japan supply? Just curious.

If I lived in Japan, absolutely.

I do not, so Japan != "domestic" to me.

[TroyF]

Keep in mind, the statement that they are cutting the Japan launch stuff means nothing for the USA either way. I believe there will be massive shortages in the US and I don't think they get within 250k of hitting their 1 million unit goal by the end of the year.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

I'm glad I'm not in charge of either of these gaming divisions (MS or Sony). While Sony is taking a big loss up front, Microsoft's Xbox gaming division is still not a profitable division after what, 4-5 years or so? I saw the CEO of the MS gaming division say that they hoped to be profitable in 3-4 years. I need to find a job where I can be an executive and take a huge loss early on or not make a profit for 7-10 years!

In the end, it doesn't matter a whole lot. It's mostly fanboy talk and both systems will be around for several years to come.

Nintendo had their first unprofitable quarter (ever) last year. Tho they've been back in the black since.

SI

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

If I lived in Japan, absolutely.

I do not, so Japan != "domestic" to me.

I guess my point was that Sony is a Japanese company. I should refrain from being a smart ass.

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

I guess my point was that Sony is a Japanese company.

Stop the presses!

I should refrain from being a smart ass.

Unless you can do it successfully.

They're a Japanese company, but that doesn't make American product supply any less domestic.

[spleen1015]

Uh-oh...

hxxp://www.gamespot.com/news/6161580.html?tag=latestnews;title;1

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

Uh-oh...

hxxp://www.gamespot.com/news/6161580.html?tag=latestnews;title;1

How many gamestop/EB stores are there in the US? I wonder how short they will fall of their launch projections.

[SirFozzie]

Gamestop/EB pretty much IS the Console store in a lot of places.

25% cut would only be 2.. could they be getting half or less (4 per store?)

There will be a LOT of unhappy people if it's 6 or less per store.

[Kodos]

I can't wait to get this puppy and pick up Maximum Football 2007, PS3 style!

[SackAttack]

But on the bright side, Toys 'R Us will be able to fill all their preorders!

[JonInMiddleGA]

http://apnews.myway.com//article/200...D8LCP7GO0.html

PlayStation 3 Not Playing Some Older Games
Nov 14, 5:00 AM (ET)
By YURI KAGEYAMA

TOKYO (AP) - Sony's PlayStation 3 game console, which went on sale in Japan over the weekend leading off a global launch, can't play some of the older games for the original PlayStation and the upgrade PlayStation 2, a company official said Tuesday.

Sony Corp. (SNE) had billed PlayStation 3 as compatible with the previous PlayStation machines.

But Sony Computer Entertainment spokesman Satoshi Fukuoka said some of the 8,000 older games weren't working properly on PS3, making the wrong sounds or images, and some couldn't be played at all.

He declined to give a number for the games that weren't functioning, but he said the same problem is expected when the game console goes on sale in the U.S. Nov. 17. About 16,000 different games have been sold for the PlayStation and PlayStation 2 in North America.

Fukuoka said the problems in playing the older games were not a glitch and had been expected. Sony announced the problem on its Japanese Web page Nov. 11, the day when the PS3 went on sale to lines of eager fans at Japanese retailers.

Users can punch in the name of the PS or PS2 game on the Web page, and a list will pop up, telling you if the game can be played without problems or not.

For example, all the "Biohazard" series games can be played without problem, except for one in which a virtual gun won't fire properly, according to Sony's Web page.

"We are sorry for the game fans that they cannot play all the games," Fukuoka said. "But unfortunately some of these problems could not be avoided."

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

http://apnews.myway.com//article/200...D8LCP7GO0.html

PlayStation 3 Not Playing Some Older Games
Nov 14, 5:00 AM (ET)
By YURI KAGEYAMA

TOKYO (AP) - Sony's PlayStation 3 game console, which went on sale in Japan over the weekend leading off a global launch, can't play some of the older games for the original PlayStation and the upgrade PlayStation 2, a company official said Tuesday.

Sony Corp. (SNE) had billed PlayStation 3 as compatible with the previous PlayStation machines.

But Sony Computer Entertainment spokesman Satoshi Fukuoka said some of the 8,000 older games weren't working properly on PS3, making the wrong sounds or images, and some couldn't be played at all.

He declined to give a number for the games that weren't functioning, but he said the same problem is expected when the game console goes on sale in the U.S. Nov. 17. About 16,000 different games have been sold for the PlayStation and PlayStation 2 in North America.

Fukuoka said the problems in playing the older games were not a glitch and had been expected. Sony announced the problem on its Japanese Web page Nov. 11, the day when the PS3 went on sale to lines of eager fans at Japanese retailers.

Users can punch in the name of the PS or PS2 game on the Web page, and a list will pop up, telling you if the game can be played without problems or not.

For example, all the "Biohazard" series games can be played without problem, except for one in which a virtual gun won't fire properly, according to Sony's Web page.

"We are sorry for the game fans that they cannot play all the games," Fukuoka said. "But unfortunately some of these problems could not be avoided."

The sad thing about this is that they've known about this for a while and we're just now hearing about it.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

The sad thing about this is that they've known about this for a while and we're just now hearing about it.

Sony is trying its hardest to piss people off.

It's nice for them to announce this the day the damn thing goes on sale - well after all the pre-orders are in and deposits paid.

[spleen1015]

If anyone finds this website with the listed of games that are compatible, please share the link. I'm not having any luck at the moment.

[spleen1015]

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/745/745439p1.html

Some more info...

November 12, 2006 - Sony may have included the PS2's CPU and GPU with every PlayStation 3 system, but the system still appears to be having some problems with backwards compatibility. Just in time for the PS3's second anniversary (the second day it's been on the market in Japan), Sony passed on the specifics.

Now accessible at the Japanese PlayStation.com site is a page for seeking out the backwards compatibility status of PS2 and PS1 titles. The Japanese page can be accessed here. By inputting the title, publisher name, release date or product number (an eight digit code containing four letters followed by a hyphen then four numbers), you can seek out the status of the 7,841 titles in Sony's database.

A warning about this search engine. It's a bit tough to read, as it lists all versions of individual games separately. A game might have its main version listed separate from its limited edition, its budget version, its second budget version, and so forth. This is one of the reason you'll find over 350 games listed under Konami, although Konami hasn't actually released that many games.

Most of the titles have the following message next to them "Currently, there have been no reports of major problems during play." Whether or not the games actually don't have a problem, or there is a problem but Sony hasn't found it yet, is up in the air.

We did find a few problem titles by looking through the list. Here's a quick run down.


# Tekken 5: A number of modes don't play background music properly.

# Xenosaga Episode II: The opening movie sometimes stops and sometimes doesn't properly play background music.

# Code Age Commanders: Problems (including data loss) with save game data.

# Radiata Stories: Background music during movie scenes may not play back properly.

# Star Ocean Till the End of Time (includes Directors Cut): Movie scenes may not have proper sound playback.

# Driving Emotion Type-S: BGM may not properly play back during races

# Gran Turismo 4: The screen may freeze following the title demo.

# Hot Shots Golf 3/4: Some sort of problem with the controls becoming unresponsive

# Operator's Side: The game freezes at the logo screen when started up with the Seamic controller

# Onimusha Dawn of Dreams: Screen will occasionally appear 2cm to the right

# Hyper Street Fighter II Anniversary Edition: The screen will not appear correctly in some instances. The S.F.II Movie cannot play properly.

# Megaman X7: There are times when the background music won't play properly

# Devil May Cry: The screen will sometimes freeze during the title demo

# Onimusha: During movie playback, the sound will occasionally stop

# Suikoden III: Cannot read PS1 data during the game.

# Silent Hill 2: When going from the title screen to the demo screen, the screen may freeze

These are the major problems we found looking through the numerous pages for Sega, Namco, Capcom, Square Enix, Sony and Konami.

Some problems, including those for Ace Combat 5, Oz, SOCOM and so forth, were fixed with the System 1.10 update. Sony still lists those problems in the database.

We also noticed a few recurring problems, sometimes based off a common feature, sometimes carried across an entire series of titles. The PS3 Virtual Memory Card specifications do not allow for PS2 games to read PS1 data, which is something that's apparently used in Suikoden III and a few other titles. Most of the microphone-compatible games seem to have problems. Konami's dance/music games seem to have a number of problems.

In addition to the software compatibility issues, Sony has made public the issues that arise due to hardware differences between the platforms, specifically the PS3 not using physical memory cards, not using a multitap, not having rumble built into its controller and other issues related to different hard disk and USB specifications.

As previously announced, you can keep using your PS2 game saves by purchasing a Memory Card Adapter (which is currently harder to find in Japan than actual PS3 units, it seems). Once you have the adapter, you'll be able to transfer your save files to the PS3 hard disk. The only catch is that games whose save icon displays a "No Copy" icon in the PS2 browser cannot have their data copied over.

The PS3 can't use a multitap. However, Sony states that this shouldn't be a problem with the system's ability to recognize seven Sixaxis controllers simultaneously.

Regarding USB peripherals, Sony states that some software that use such peripherals may not run properly on the PS3. It asks that users conduct the manufacturer of such products. As noted above, games using a microphone peripheral seem to have problems.

HDMI also gives problems to PS2 games. Sony states that as of 11/11, when the PS3 is connected to your entertainment center using HDMI, PS2 and PS1 games will output only in 2ch digital. When switching to Dolby/DTS modes for PS1 and PS2 games that are compatible with these sound systems, you'll get no sound output. For now, Sony recommends using an optical cable for such titles. This, of course, will require that you go into the settings menu and change the audio output cable.

The PS3 has no i-Link port, so you can't replicate the i-Link link-up feature from PS2 titles. The i-Link port was used as a bonus in only a few titles and was removed from future PlayStation 2 revisions.

Games that use the hard disk will currently not run. The problem is that the built-in PS3 hard disk cannot currently be used as a PS2 hard disk. We haven't tried it out ourselves, but this means games like Final Fantasy XI and Nobunaga's Ambition Online won't work.

For now at least. The good news is that Sony plans on making hard disk based PS2 games compatible in a future system software update. The list of titles that will work once this magic system update is carried is basically just Nobunaga's Ambition Online, Final Fantasy XI and the Play Online viewer, and Front Mission Online in all their variations, including expansions.

Other backwards compatibility problems will also, hopefully, be fixed in future updates. It's doubtful that the PS3 will every be fully backwards compatible, though, as even the slim model PS2 doesn't play back some PS2 titles properly.

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Fukuoka said the problems in playing the older games were not a glitch and had been expected.

And yet still advertised backwards compatibility all the way up until the release date.

Classy.

[MikeVic]

I'd like a link too... this is kind of late for something like this to be announced, no?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by sabotai

backwards compatibility

Obviously these words did not mean what we thought they meant.

[SirFozzie]

Did David Winter design the PS3?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Since the chances of me paying big bucks for any of the new systems right away was virtually nil, I'll ask this question to those who've been following this a lot closer than me: Are the problems with backwards compatability really that surprising?

I sort of expected there would at least be some sort of "catch" to the whole thing from the get-go, as I simply didn't see Sony making it too easy for people to keep playing old titles.

Am I just that cynical, or is this really just disappointing but not totally shocking?

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Since the chances of me paying big bucks for any of the new systems right away was virtually nil, I'll ask this question to those who've been following this a lot closer than me: Are the problems with backwards compatability really that surprising?

I sort of expected there would at least be some sort of "catch" to the whole thing from the get-go, as I simply didn't see Sony making it too easy for people to keep playing old titles.

Am I just that cynical, or is this really just disappointing but not totally shocking?

To my knowledge there were virtually no (or maybe none at all) issues with PS2 playing PS1 games, so yeah, I'd say this is pretty shocking.

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Since the chances of me paying big bucks for any of the new systems right away was virtually nil, I'll ask this question to those who've been following this a lot closer than me: Are the problems with backwards compatability really that surprising?

I sort of expected there would at least be some sort of "catch" to the whole thing from the get-go, as I simply didn't see Sony making it too easy for people to keep playing old titles.

Am I just that cynical, or is this really just disappointing but not totally shocking?

They've included the PS2 hardware in the PS3, so I don't think anyone really expected it. Maybe we're just naive.

[MikeVic]

The PS2 was fine regarding PS1 titles, from what I saw. Didn't the 360 mention right from the start that compatability was on a per-game basis? Nintendo also hasn't said anything about not being able to play any Gamecube games (to my knowledge), so it's not much to ask for the truth more than one week before launch...

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

I'm not sure why this is such a huge deal. Most of the sites that have the PS3's already have comment that the vast majority of the games work just fine. In addition, Sony has commented that they are working on updates so the other games will work as well. Unless you're one of the people that managed to get a launch reservation (as I did), you probably won't have a PS3 until after the software update is complete to fix most of the problems.

Also, Microsoft said they would provide backward compatibility, but then didn't do the work to make some of the most popular games compatible so you'd have to buy the new versions. Personally, I prefer that all games are playable, even if it takes a couple of months to update the software for the PS3.

Most people still have their PS2 anyway. I'm thinking that opportunity to play backwards-compatible games is not the driving force behind people plopping down $500+ of their hard-earned money. They've got some time to work out the kinks in that issue.

[SirFozzie]

The latest is the analysts (who have been mainly right so far), say that Sony will only be shipping 150-200,000 PS3's on launch day, which is half of what Sony said previously

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?op...=4205&Itemid=2

[Anthony]

who pays $600 on a console to play their old, outdated games? how much sense does it make to buy a next gen system to play your last gen games?

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

The sad thing about this is that they've known about this for a while and we're just now hearing about it.

Jon, the same was true of the PS2 and backwards compatibility with PS1.

It's great to say "Yeah, we can play our entire back library," but when you try to do it at a hardware level, you run into issues.

I'll say this for Xbox 360 BC, it may be running slow as molasses getting the list updated, but generally speaking by the time a game is certified for BC it actually works.

[Deattribution]

Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

who pays $600 on a console to play their old, outdated games? how much sense does it make to buy a next gen system to play your last gen games?

It's nice little nugget but I won't be miffed if I can't play something circa 1996.

From the way the article reads, even with eliminating the games with issues you're still talking about a catalog atleast 2-3 times as large as the 360's BC.

[Daimyo]

I passed on the PS2 this past generation and I have no idea if I'll ever get a PS3 or not. The ability to play PS1 wouldn't affect that decision, but not being able to play all the PS2 games I'm interested in catching up on would knock about $100 off the perceived value of the PS3 to me.

[Sweed]

I still don't know if I'll get a ps3 or a 360 but being backward compatible means absolutely nothing to me. In six years I have never played a ps1 game on our ps2. When I buy a next gen console, be it ps2 six years ago or ps3-360 now, I do it to play the next gen games.

Of course that is only my opinion. You are all entitled to yours

[sabotai]

I still play PS1 games on my PS2... (Bushido Blade 2 and the Final Fantasy games)

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

As suspected, the early reports on backwards compatibility were blown way out of proportion. Out of over 8,000 PS2 titles, roughly 200 of them have some gameplay issues that cause problems if you try to play them. So just over 2% of the PS2 titles won't play on the PS3, which still is a much smaller percentage than the XBox 360 one year after launch.

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

As suspected, the early reports on backwards compatibility were blown way out of proportion. Out of over 8,000 PS2 titles, roughly 200 of them have some gameplay issues that cause problems if you try to play them. So just over 2% of the PS2 titles won't play on the PS3, which still is a much smaller percentage than the XBox 360 one year after launch.

Well, Sony kicked my puppy... sooooo....

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by wade moore

Well, Sony kicked my puppy... sooooo....

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Glad you took that as it was intended...

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

Jon, the same was true of the PS2 and backwards compatibility with PS1.

It's great to say "Yeah, we can play our entire back library," but when you try to do it at a hardware level, you run into issues.

I'll say this for Xbox 360 BC, it may be running slow as molasses getting the list updated, but generally speaking by the time a game is certified for BC it actually works.

To be fair, remember the XBox 360 said they would be completely BC and then backed off. And then they settled on a duct tape-y "per game basis" solution they have now which will never be 100% BC. So, let's not pretend things were all smiles and (und) sunshine for Microsoft.

SI

[gstelmack]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

To be fair, remember the XBox 360 said they would be completely BC and then backed off. And then they settled on a duct tape-y "per game basis" solution they have now which will never be 100% BC. So, let's not pretend things were all smiles and (und) sunshine for Microsoft.

To be fair, Microsoft said "No backwards compatibility, who wants to play old games on cool nextgen hardware instead of the nextgen games?" (like many here are saying), then said "yes, we'll have backwards compatibility" when everyone complained, then said "we'll have to do it on a per-game basis so it's done right" when they figured out how they'd do it.

[jbmagic]

AT my local Target people are already line up tonight in front of the store for the ps3.