NFL Draft thread 2012

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by Matthean

I see not only do the Rams have three second rounders but they are in the first 13 picks. It should be a nice shot in the arm for talent for them. WRs are good 2nd round values.

Who were the two jokers they drafted last year?

IMPACT FUCKING PLAYERS!

Fuck, they could have picked Floyd, Clayborne, to mention a couple at #6. Who is this guy they draft at #14?



Anyone have a case of beer I can have?

[RedKingGold]

Gotta love draft threads, everyone's either super-stoked or super-disappointed. Wonder what people posted about their 2009 draft back in the day . . .

(scurries to find thread).

[Lathum]

I think the Giants reached a bit with Wilson, but it was a need and I trust their brass so I am cool with the pick. Would have been much happier had they taken Chris Polk in a later round.

[Racer]

Pretty happy with who could still be available with the Colts 2.02 pick:

OL: Cordy Glenn and Jonathan Martin (though he's been criticized by some)
DL: Jerel Worthy, Devon Still, and Kendall Reyes
WR: Stephen Hill and arguably Rueben Randle (not really sold on him being anything great)
TE: Coby Fleener

I hope the Colts take the BPA on their board and not trade down for something like an extra 4th rounder. Those guys don't pan out most of the time. Might as well take the player we like the most.

[Arles]

Cautiously optimistic about Nick Perry to GB. A 270 pound pass rusher who can play in space and run a 4.5 sounds like a nice fit. I remember him destroying Arizona as well.

[Warhammer]

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Who were the two jokers they drafted last year?

IMPACT FUCKING PLAYERS!

Fuck, they could have picked Floyd, Clayborne, to mention a couple at #6. Who is this guy they draft at #14?



Anyone have a case of beer I can have?

Actually, their first pick looks better at this point. They got a DT, which wasn't their biggest need, but was a need. Hopefully, they take a WR or two in the 2nd since there are some good values there.

The problem as I see it is that the drop off from Floyd to the next WR is much bigger and more pronounced. I can cover up a deficiency at DT. You can't at WR.

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by Warhammer

Actually, their first pick looks better at this point. They got a DT, which wasn't their biggest need, but was a need. Hopefully, they take a WR or two in the 2nd since there are some good values there.

The problem as I see it is that the drop off from Floyd to the next WR is much bigger and more pronounced. I can cover up a deficiency at DT. You can't at WR.

I meant they didn't draft shit last season, never pass up an opportunity to draft an IMPACT player. If it wasn't Blackmon, then they had to draft Floyd. Hell, I would have been fine with Claiborne.

[bhlloy]

Originally Posted by Arles

Cautiously optimistic about Nick Perry to GB. A 270 pound pass rusher who can play in space and run a 4.5 sounds like a nice fit. I remember him destroying Arizona as well.

I think he's a guy who if he goes to a veteran, well coached team he could be a beast. Learning from Matthews will help as well. His upside is huge but it might take him a while to learn to play at a consistent level. Hopefully with the Packers he won't have to do everything from day 1.

[Danny]

I dont think Blackmon will be anything special, so have no issue with St. Louis trading down. Its unfortunate Floyd went before them, but Brockers is a good prospect and they have an extra 2nd rounder now.

[SirFozzie]

I fell asleep around 730 edt, and just found out I woke up in an alternate universe. The pats traded up TWICE to get good defensive players?

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

Didnt even notice that the Vikings traded up for no reason again this year to draft a player that they would have likely not only been able to get with their original 2nd round pick but he may have been there in the 3rd round. This trend happens every year and it started with the package to move up to draft Tavarius Jackson when many expected him a 4th-5th round QB.

Kind of funny to see all of the talented players drafted around Harrison Smith and still on the board yet we land a top notch special teamer late in the first. Well done Speilman.

Maybe the legislature can include a requirement to fire Spielman in the stadium bill. :/

[Warhammer]

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

I meant they didn't draft shit last season, never pass up an opportunity to draft an IMPACT player. If it wasn't Blackmon, then they had to draft Floyd. Hell, I would have been fine with Claiborne.

Quinn was a good pick. They've got young bookends for the DL. The rest of the draft last year looked good and wound up being poor.

This year, Bookings is solid, but I agree, their #1 priority was WR. Still, look at the WRs last year, Little or Small could be had in the 2nd, and would have been great in a Rams uniform last year.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Warhammer

Quinn was a good pick. They've got young bookends for the DL. The rest of the draft last year looked good and wound up being poor.

This year, Bookings is solid, but I agree, their #1 priority was WR. Still, look at the WRs last year, Little or Small could be had in the 2nd, and would have been great in a Rams uniform last year.

And neither Blackmon or Floyd are as good of a prospect as Green or Jones from last year. Blackmon went higher cause he was the generally considered the top WR on the board, he was a mid to late teens draft choice in last years draft probably.

[Julio Riddols]

The more I read about Zeitler, the stupider I feel about getting all wound up over Cinci passing on DeCastro. Zeitler sounds like he belongs among the best, with a blocking efficiency rating comparable to a Boselli/Ogden/Larry Allen, he might be the best OL in this draft if he continues on that path. Have no idea why people weren't talking more about this guy.

[Danny]

It was funny seeing everybody getting up in arms about a guard, which is just about the easiest position to fill in the draft.

[Solecismic]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

I fell asleep around 730 edt, and just found out I woke up in an alternate universe. The pats traded up TWICE to get good defensive players?

Under the new CBA, first-round picks are no longer huge financial risks. The Pats are all about value. Jones will have an immediate impact on their pass rush and Hightower will be a tackling machine. I'm sure there's lots of screaming about the secondary, though.

I was glad to see the Lions get a big tackle, but I thought they wanted to be a little more balanced with the run, and Reiff is ideally an RT and better with the passing game.

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

The more I read about Zeitler, the stupider I feel about getting all wound up over Cinci passing on DeCastro. Zeitler sounds like he belongs among the best, with a blocking efficiency rating comparable to a Boselli/Ogden/Larry Allen, he might be the best OL in this draft if he continues on that path. Have no idea why people weren't talking more about this guy.

I don't have any data to back this up, but my mind tells me that Wisconsin OL are always decent in the NFL.

[spleen1015]

I really hope that the Colts pass of Fleener and take Upshaw if he is there.

[Thomkal]

Colt McCoy era in Cleveland officially over. Was just watching Mike and Mike on ESPN and the Cleveland GM has said they will be looking to trade McCoy during the draft. And according to Adam Schefter, they told McCoy yesterday they would not draft a QB in the first round.

I think this is all going to blow up in Cleveland's face and they probably will be looking for a new QB in the next year or two.

[Ksyrup]

I barely saw any of Colt McCoy last year, aside from that one game against the Steelers, I think, and protection issues aside, the guy couldn't make an accurate throw on a simple route. He has no long-term ability at the position. I couldn't understand all the back-and-forth over whether he was worth keeping.

[weegeebored]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Shea McClellin.

Shea. Fucking. McClellin.

Sigh.

I hate tweener players. 20.5 sacks in four years. At Boise St. Wow. Impact player here.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by Logan

Speaking of, planning on DVRing the draft and seeing how quickly I can get through it once its over. I'll be at a hockey game so in all likelihood I won't even be following any picks. Wondering if I can knock it out in a half hour of real time.

Ended up taking me 40 minutes. If the NFL is going to kill this experience for me personally, I'll do the same thing every year. Next year I'll shave off some precious minutes by not stopping to hear about trades or hearing the reaction to guys I know a lot about already.

I feel like Kramer learning to take a shower.

[SteveMax58]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I think the Giants reached a bit with Wilson, but it was a need and I trust their brass so I am cool with the pick. Would have been much happier had they taken Chris Polk in a later round.

Yeah, thats pretty much my reaction as well. I dont know a lot about him but felt like they wanted to go RB. They definitely need to address the position so maybe its just best value at a key need position. We know Bradshaw tends to miss a few games every season so I guess I'll trust their talent evaluators given their record.

Seems like they havent really addressed Oline much in the 1st/2nd rds of the past number of drafts. Might be time to look there in the 2nd and I feel like I say this every year...but we need LBs. And good ones at that.

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by Logan

Ended up taking me 40 minutes. If the NFL is going to kill this experience for me personally, I'll do the same thing every year. Next year I'll shave off some precious minutes by not stopping to hear about trades or hearing the reaction to guys I know a lot about already.

I feel like Kramer learning to take a shower.

I don't understand what you want? What is the big hatred about? What is the point of DVRing and then fast-forwarding, why not just load up the picks and look to see who was picked?

If you want to watch the draft, what you want is to listen to analysis, guesses, etc. I don't really understand what is being "killed" here? Or were you one of those upset about it being Thursday night now that used to get together with people?

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Colt McCoy era in Cleveland officially over. Was just watching Mike and Mike on ESPN and the Cleveland GM has said they will be looking to trade McCoy during the draft. And according to Adam Schefter, they told McCoy yesterday they would not draft a QB in the first round.

I think this is all going to blow up in Cleveland's face and they probably will be looking for a new QB in the next year or two.

This is what makes me sad about seeing Trent go there. The organization is simply too inept to build around him to where he'll be productive as he can be. Until Cleveland can build a vertical game, teams can simply load up on the run.

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I barely saw any of Colt McCoy last year, aside from that one game against the Steelers, I think, and protection issues aside, the guy couldn't make an accurate throw on a simple route. He has no long-term ability at the position. I couldn't understand all the back-and-forth over whether he was worth keeping.

What I don't get is when QBs have such a dramatic drop off in terms of being able to throw compared to their college days. Yeah, I get defenses are faster and that, but it seems like we hear "He can make all of the throws" turns into "He can't throw beyond 5 yards" once they hit the NFL more often than what it seems like we should. But again, in this case we are also talking about Cleveland's inept front office and their inability to build much of anything thing let alone an offense.

[Ksyrup]

Yeah, I don't get that either. To me DVRing the draft is the equivalent to pulling up a website and seeing who was drafted. You could have saved yourself another 35 minutes. The whole point is the experience and the down time in between of hearing who's being looked at, how the team is reacting to the players on the board, whether they are looking to trade, etc. The player interviews are my least favorite part, but that's just natural downtime filler. I didn't watch a lot of the draft last night, but it seemed to move fairly quickly, I thought.

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

didn't watch it last year. didn't watch it this year (hooray for self discipline!)

talent in this draft stinks. pitt landing decastro was good. pats seemed to do well. everything else... fartnoise

cowboys are dumb. browns are dumb. philly taking another pedestrian dlinemen in the 1st.

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

dolphins: 'we won't be pressured into taking a 2nd round qb in the first!'

takes gabbert 2.0 8th

[Swaggs]

I'll be interested to see what the Steelers do in the next few rounds.

Some of their fan sites had been touting the approach that we should go for a half-ton of talent in the first three rounds. DeCastro fits the bill, so far. I'd really like to see us get a NT by the end of today, but if an OT like Jonathan Martin or Mike Adams (or if Cordy Glenn somehow continues to slide) falls to us, it would be hard to pass up. Ben really took a beating last season and firming up the OL is a smart investment.

If NT Alameda Ta'amu of Washington (how did he not end up going to Texas A&M w/ a name like that?) is available, he would also be tough to pass up. Alabama NT Josh Chapman looks like he would be a good fit in round 3 or 4 -- reminds me a bit of Joel Steed.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by wade moore

I don't understand what you want? What is the big hatred about? What is the point of DVRing and then fast-forwarding, why not just load up the picks and look to see who was picked?

If you want to watch the draft, what you want is to listen to analysis, guesses, etc. I don't really understand what is being "killed" here? Or were you one of those upset about it being Thursday night now that used to get together with people?

Wow, that's a lot of questions.

The bold is my answer. I wouldn't say I was upset, but the experience for me is entirely different on a Thursday night vs a Saturday afternoon. In this particular case, I wasn't even around to watch the draft live and I'm certainly not going to slow-watch it starting at 11pm on a weeknight.

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Yeah, I don't get that either. To me DVRing the draft is the equivalent to pulling up a website and seeing who was drafted. You could have saved yourself another 35 minutes. The whole point is the experience and the down time in between of hearing who's being looked at, how the team is reacting to the players on the board, whether they are looking to trade, etc. The player interviews are my least favorite part, but that's just natural downtime filler. I didn't watch a lot of the draft last night, but it seemed to move fairly quickly, I thought.

I want to hear the selections being made with at least a hint of suspense. Scrolling through a website doesn't give that, so I fast forwarded until I see Goodell walk to the podium.

Jesus...you express your own personal opinion about something and people jump down your throat. Did I say the NFL should change the way they operate in order to accommodate me? Did I say I'll never watch the NFL again because of how "furious" I am over how the draft is now presented?

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by Racer

Pretty happy with who could still be available with the Colts 2.02 pick:

OL: Cordy Glenn and Jonathan Martin (though he's been criticized by some)
DL: Jerel Worthy, Devon Still, and Kendall Reyes
WR: Stephen Hill and arguably Rueben Randle (not really sold on him being anything great)
TE: Coby Fleener

I hope the Colts take the BPA on their board and not trade down for something like an extra 4th rounder. Those guys don't pan out most of the time. Might as well take the player we like the most.

Ugh. Glenn, Martin and Adams all being there at the start of round 2 makes drafting Kalil at 4 and trading up for a huge reach on Smith look even worse.

[Bearcat729]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I barely saw any of Colt McCoy last year, aside from that one game against the Steelers, I think, and protection issues aside, the guy couldn't make an accurate throw on a simple route. He has no long-term ability at the position. I couldn't understand all the back-and-forth over whether he was worth keeping.

In my case it has to do more with filling the holes around him than really keeping him. I would have had no problem with the Browns taking Luck if they had the #1 pick or RGIII if he had fell to them in the draft, honestly I wouldn't have a problem if they had found a way to trade for Matt Hasselback this off season, but the team has too many holes to reach for a QB in the 1st round. Especially when there is the #1 guard, #2 tackle, and more than a few excellent WR prospects available all of which are needed in Cleveland just as much as a new QB.

It's not that the Browns drafted Weeden that is the problem, it is where they drafted him that pissed me off.

[Ksyrup]

I totally agree with that. I don't get the Weeden pick at that point at all. But I guess someone felt strongly enough about not moving forward with McCoy that they couldn't risk not getting Weeden, since that would screw their plans for the season and long-term. Getting Weeden was obviously the most important step in the process of displacing McCoy, and I guess they couldn't risk the long-term plan by playing chicken with moving back just enough to get him and risk someone jumping up and taking him.

[BillJasper]

I just didn't think there were any teams in the mix that were that strongly for Weeden to jump ahead of the Browns at 37.

[Ksyrup]

Maybe they were bluffed by someone or heard otherwise. Maybe at that particular pick they didn't have enough interest from another team of moving into that pick to continue trading down, or they would have needed to slide further down than they were comfortable. Who knows.

I do think the combo of trading up, likely unnecessarily, for TR and reaching for Weeden makes the draft look awfully suspect for Cleveland already.

[Logan]

So if Weeden goes #22 when he'll be turning 29 during his first NFL season, is it safe to assume that the Browns thought enough of his talent level that they would have drafted him at 4 (or 3 technically) if he was the more traditional 21-22 year old?

[Ksyrup]

Since Chris Weinke worked with Cam Newton last year with pretty good results, perhaps Weeden should consider doing the same since he'll be compared to him (Weinke) for the rest of his career.

[BillJasper]

I simply think the Browns were desperate to get Colt McCoy out of town and spent the one on Weeden to justify it. I really thought Weeden was a third round guy who someone might take a flier in the second round on.

[Ksyrup]

I just looked at what Denver did and I'm not sure I like it. The net result of the 2 trades was to deal #25 for #36 and #101. Seems like Cincinnati and Baltimore got better value in similar trades involving #20-something picks. And trading down twice but only netting 1 extra (4th round) pick seems sketchy.

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I just looked at what Denver did and I'm not sure I like it. The net result of the 2 trades was to deal #25 for #36 and #101. Seems like Cincinnati and Baltimore got better value in similar trades involving #20-something picks. And trading down twice but only netting 1 extra (4th round) pick seems sketchy.

Agreed. But I'm not sure Elway really knows what he's doing out there. He lucked into Manning but beyond that I'm not really sure that the Broncos' are going to be very good when they go back to running a pass heavy offense.

[Ksyrup]

I mean, hell, the Ravens got #35 and #98 for #29 alone! Then Denver turns around and deals #31 AND #126 for #36 and #101.

If the net out of that trade and the earlier trade was moving from #25 to #36 and picking up #101 and #126, then maybe I get it. Maybe. But throwing in the Pats 4th rounder in the TB trade was flat-out stupid. Seems to me moving from #25 to #36 is worth more than just a high 4th rounder - especially considering the trade 2 spots in front of them. Cripes.

[gstelmack]

Originally Posted by Matthean

What I don't get is when QBs have such a dramatic drop off in terms of being able to throw compared to their college days. Yeah, I get defenses are faster and that, but it seems like we hear "He can make all of the throws" turns into "He can't throw beyond 5 yards" once they hit the NFL more often than what it seems like we should.

Steve Logan, former ECU head coach who spent the last 3 years drafting with the Bucs, was on local sports radio the last couple of days, and the point he made was that throwing in college is like throwing through a tire in the backyard, while throwing in the NFL is like throwing through a bucket. The holes are that much tighter, and so being a little bit off in college still leads to accurate numbers, while being a little bit off in the NFL is picks and blocked passes. You need to be able to thread the needle much much better in the NFL than in college.

[Lathum]

I think Denver would be a really nice spot forMcCoy. Can learn behind Peyton and has some NFL experience if Peyton goes down.

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by gstelmack

Steve Logan, former ECU head coach who spent the last 3 years drafting with the Bucs, was on local sports radio the last couple of days, and the point he made was that throwing in college is like throwing through a tire in the backyard, while throwing in the NFL is like throwing through a bucket. The holes are that much tighter, and so being a little bit off in college still leads to accurate numbers, while being a little bit off in the NFL is picks and blocked passes. You need to be able to thread the needle much much better in the NFL than in college.

That is where my concerns with Weeden come in. He can throw a great fade pattern, but many of his deep balls were badly under thrown where a receiver had to stop and wait for the ball and on crossing routes it seemed like receivers had to reach behind to catch them. This is based on the three or four Oklahoma State games I saw.

I really think his success had more to do with having guys who could go get the ball.

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I think Denver would be a really nice spot forMcCoy. Can learn behind Peyton and has some NFL experience if Peyton goes down.

Didn't they already grab Caleb Hanie?

[JPhillips]

The Bengals and Ravens trades netted basically the value of the old draft chart. The Broncos trades netted half the difference between 25 and 36.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

I fell asleep around 730 edt, and just found out I woke up in an alternate universe. The pats traded up TWICE to get good defensive players?

Oh yeah... they do that all the time here. What's it like where you're from?

[Ksyrup]

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[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

ooh. just did watched aj jenkins highlight vid. sexy.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by gstelmack

Steve Logan, former ECU head coach who spent the last 3 years drafting with the Bucs, was on local sports radio the last couple of days, and the point he made was that throwing in college is like throwing through a tire in the backyard, while throwing in the NFL is like throwing through a bucket. The holes are that much tighter, and so being a little bit off in college still leads to accurate numbers, while being a little bit off in the NFL is picks and blocked passes. You need to be able to thread the needle much much better in the NFL than in college.

Which is understandable. McCoy also had plenty of talent to back him up when at Texas as well. It's just a surprising drop off. His worst passing percentage for a year at Texas was 65.1. He had a year at 76.7. He ended up at 70.3. It was interesting to hear Kiper or somebody else make the comment that the big named Big 12 QBs really aren't transitioning to the NFL and now you have three of them go in the first round. Tannehill and Weeden adding to those who don't pan out seems rather obvious.

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Maybe they were bluffed by someone or heard otherwise.

They bought into the idea of a team trading up to 3 to get Trent as well.