Soccer Thread 2016-17 - Page 13

ISiddiqui · 03-08-2017, 03:51 PM

I don't understand what I'm reading on the internet... it's like the plot of some strange unrealistic soccer movie.

Neuqua · 03-08-2017, 04:40 PM

I watched the game and still have trouble comprehending what happened.

miami_fan · 03-08-2017, 05:48 PM

DeClan Hill has to at least visit Paris to check out the possibilities right? I mean questions have to be asked after a collapse like this.

claphamsa · 03-08-2017, 06:45 PM

WWOOOOO

PSG will break the bank for a GK after this...also the PSG subriddit is a mess.

CraigSca · 03-08-2017, 08:19 PM

I should probably know this, but wasn't there offside on the last goal? Is it only the goal scorer who counts for offside, because it definitely looked like there was a lone Barca player up top who was clearly offside?

cartman · 03-09-2017, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by CraigSca

I should probably know this, but wasn't there offside on the last goal? Is it only the goal scorer who counts for offside, because it definitely looked like there was a lone Barca player up top who was clearly offside?

He wasn't directly involved in the play (the kick wasn't in his direction, and he wasn't blocking any PSG players from being able to react to the ball), so no offside. If the shot was parried by the keeper or bounced off a post and fell to him, it would have been offside.

SirFozzie · 03-09-2017, 12:52 AM

Yeah, a while back they changed the rule so that a player may be passively offside as long as he is not involved in the play (not towards him, or making a defender react to him)

whomario · 03-09-2017, 02:33 AM

Meanwhile, Pulisic played a major role in Dortmund beating Benfica with a great goal, an assist and an overall really good game. Had been better as a sub so far this season, good to see him shine playing from the start.

CraigSca · 03-09-2017, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Yeah, a while back they changed the rule so that a player may be passively offside as long as he is not involved in the play (not towards him, or making a defender react to him)

Ah, ok - wow, sounds like a lot more complexity for the ref to handle.

Easy Mac · 03-09-2017, 08:02 AM

Yeah, I'm not sure I like the offside change. I understand it from the prospect of a guy not being affecting the play, but there are times where I see guys running to back up a cross and if the ball made it to them, they're offside, but it doesn't. Even if he doesn't touch the ball, the keeper is still cognizant of the fact that a guy is on that side and it has to affect how he plays. But its very rare that they'll blow a whistle on that.

TroyF · 03-09-2017, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Easy Mac

Yeah, I'm not sure I like the offside change. I understand it from the prospect of a guy not being affecting the play, but there are times where I see guys running to back up a cross and if the ball made it to them, they're offside, but it doesn't. Even if he doesn't touch the ball, the keeper is still cognizant of the fact that a guy is on that side and it has to affect how he plays. But its very rare that they'll blow a whistle on that.

I agree. I think the keeper was clearly noticing him throughout that play and I think it had an impact on his pre-ball read.

I despise Suarez and he dived like the cheap, disgusting player he is. With that said, I have no idea why so many people are going crazy over that penalty. The defender doesn't look for the ball and raises his arm towards the chest of Suarez? Are you kidding me? From the refs vantage point, he has one call to make there.

I saw a stat this morning on the game. From the 85th minute to the 95th minute, PSG completed 4 passes. 3 of those completed passes came after Barcelona goals putting the ball in play from the center of the pitch. One of the more shocking statistics I have seen in a long, long time.

Warhammer · 03-09-2017, 08:35 AM

I was watching the game while I was working, and it was amazing to me how passive PSG played the entire game. It seemed like the one time they played assertively, Cavani scored. The rest of the game it seemed like Barcelona had the ball on the attack. When you play to not lose, you normally lose.

CraigSca · 03-09-2017, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Easy Mac

Yeah, I'm not sure I like the offside change. I understand it from the prospect of a guy not being affecting the play, but there are times where I see guys running to back up a cross and if the ball made it to them, they're offside, but it doesn't. Even if he doesn't touch the ball, the keeper is still cognizant of the fact that a guy is on that side and it has to affect how he plays. But its very rare that they'll blow a whistle on that.

Wholeheartedly agree. Why was this change made? It just seems like you're adding a new level of subjectivity to a sport that has way too much of it as is (all the diving and such).

I would think this could also be exploited - continually send two guys offside on the edge when the pass comes down the middle - hey, they weren't involved in the play - meanwhile, defenders and goalies have to be cognizant of where they are.

MIJB#19 · 03-09-2017, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by CraigSca

Wholeheartedly agree. Why was this change made? It just seems like you're adding a new level of subjectivity to a sport that has way too much of it as is (all the diving and such).

I would think this could also be exploited - continually send two guys offside on the edge when the pass comes down the middle - hey, they weren't involved in the play - meanwhile, defenders and goalies have to be cognizant of where they are.

The offside situated players also blocked the assistant referee's line of sight, making it impossible to see whether the player on the other side of the field is onside or offside.

"Rigged game" came up where I was watching, despite Barcelona's demotivated play between the 60th and 88th minute.

ISiddiqui · 03-09-2017, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CraigSca

Wholeheartedly agree. Why was this change made? It just seems like you're adding a new level of subjectivity to a sport that has way too much of it as is

Because it increases offense. Whistling for offsides when a player who isn't involved at all in the play is beyond the last defender tends to make the offsides trap pretty easy. And they were trying to increase scoring the early 1990s, especially after the ghastly 1990 World Cup.

Technically that had been the rule since 1978-9, but a lot of refs were whistling players just in an offside position because they broadly read the "seeking to gain an advantage part", which the 1995-6 rules change to "gaining an advantage".

I think the rule change has worked quite well in the last 20 years.

sovereignstar v2 · 03-09-2017, 01:04 PM

What offside change are we talking about? Nothing has been changed in a long time as far as I know.

Edit: Only thing I can think of is how they've tried to clarify what being actively involved really means, or what would be deemed interfering. But that those players can be offside is not something that has recently changed.

ISiddiqui · 03-09-2017, 01:09 PM

We're talking about the 1995-6 changes I believe. That reiterated that player who is not directly interfering with play isn't a violating of the offside rule. The discussion began because of the last Barca goal yesterday where, apparently, there was a player in an offside position who wasn't interfering with play and therefore offside wasn't called.

CraigSca · 03-09-2017, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Because it increases offense. Whistling for offsides when a player who isn't involved at all in the play is beyond the last defender tends to make the offsides trap pretty easy. And they were trying to increase scoring the early 1990s, especially after the ghastly 1990 World Cup.

I think the rule change has worked quite well in the last 20 years.

Ok, that makes a lot of sense. Noob soccer fan here.

ISiddiqui · 03-09-2017, 02:21 PM

No worries. A lot of tinkering with the offside rule is to adjust it enough so that you don't have people camping out at the opponent's goal, but also balance that with not to constrain offense so much that the game gets dull.

whomario · 03-09-2017, 10:13 PM

Remember that time when FIFA experimented with only having the whistle blown once the player touches the ball ? Now that was hilarious

I always felt that playing for offside is a strategy, not a necessity. So i kinda fail to have too much sympathy with the defense in these situations and when it is essentially a 50/50 call.

I do think there ought to be a "2-Pass-Rule", meaning a player not involved can´t be targeted with the very next pass after being judged as not involved. Because that's when he ultimately has an unfair advantage due to his positioning further up the pitch than his/the defender(s)

MizzouCowboy · 03-12-2017, 04:29 PM

Interesting match between Minnesota and Atlanta with a snow covered pitch. Looks like Atlanta may score 10 before it's over.

And SKC may get a clear cut shot on goal before the season is over, but I'm not holding my breath.

CrescentMoonie · 03-12-2017, 04:38 PM

Loving the stoppage for snow removal. Minnesota is really bad.

AlexB · 03-12-2017, 05:20 PM

Got the game on in the background while playing FOF - the Minnesota fans seem really good though (assuming it's them singing)

sovereignstar v2 · 03-12-2017, 06:07 PM

I'm not as sad as I was when I initially found out that I wouldn't be able to watch the regional broadcasts of MnUFC.

Easy Mac · 03-12-2017, 06:11 PM

Could Adrian Heath get fired after 2 games?

sovereignstar v2 · 03-12-2017, 06:45 PM

lofuckingl

Spoiler

ISiddiqui · 03-12-2017, 08:46 PM

I couldn't have asked for anything more as an Atlanta fan. Snow game, orange ball, and a 6-1 victory? Great all the way through.

Poor Minnesota fans though. That front office needs to summarily fired for that roster composition.

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ISiddiqui · 03-14-2017, 04:27 PM

This Leicester team is like a zombie waking up from the dead after Ranieri's firing.

CrescentMoonie · 03-18-2017, 10:43 AM

I would give a standing ovation and lifetime employment to whoever ends Costa's career.

kingfc22 · 03-18-2017, 11:45 AM

Just seeing the turnaround by Leicester is all the more reason to dump Wegner now. Rip off the bandaid already!

RainMaker · 03-24-2017, 10:00 PM

Nice start

cartman · 03-24-2017, 10:22 PM

Nicer start!

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cartman · 03-24-2017, 10:27 PM

Nicerest start!

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cartman · 03-24-2017, 10:58 PM

What's after nicerest? A goal 15 seconds into the 2nd half for Pulisic!

SirFozzie · 03-24-2017, 10:59 PM

Is this real life or is this just fantasy?

cartman · 03-24-2017, 11:01 PM

Holy shit. 5-0 now for the US

MizzouCowboy · 03-24-2017, 11:02 PM

Omg this is nuts!

cartman · 03-24-2017, 11:07 PM

6-0! Hat trick for Dempsey on a free kick!

sovereignstar v2 · 03-24-2017, 11:07 PM

Holy fuckballs

Neuqua · 03-24-2017, 11:07 PM

6-0? Really?

cartman · 03-24-2017, 11:08 PM

They need to save some goals for Panama on Tuesday

RainMaker · 03-24-2017, 11:19 PM

Can't remember the last time they looked this good.

CrescentMoonie · 03-24-2017, 11:34 PM

So...it really was a coaching problem. Can't wait to watch the DVR of this.

ISiddiqui · 03-25-2017, 09:06 AM

Amazing what a change in coaching can do for you... I especially wonder what folks who were angry because Arena was a 'step backwards' think today?

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Young Drachma · 03-25-2017, 11:37 AM

Dempsey and Pulisic surely my two favorite USA players. The latter is gonna be special.

MIJB#19 · 03-25-2017, 06:05 PM

I wonder what the penalty is for throwing a football on the pitch during the opponent's counter attack.

Oranje clearly deserved to lose in Bulgaria, but that was one of the weirdest time wasting attempts I've ever seen.

sovereignstar v2 · 03-25-2017, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MIJB#19

I wonder what the penalty is for throwing a football on the pitch during the opponent's counter attack.

Oranje clearly deserved to lose in Bulgaria, but that was one of the weirdest time wasting attempts I've ever seen.

Ask Diego Simeone.

MIJB#19 · 03-26-2017, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by sovereignstar v2

Ask Diego Simeone.

Ah yes, that's actually very similar to what happened.
Except that Simeone was sent off, while yesterday's referee completely ignored it.

miami_fan · 03-28-2017, 09:41 AM

I am seeing reports that Messi has gotten a four game ban from FIFA.

miami_fan · 03-28-2017, 09:44 AM

FIFA hands Lionel Messi four-match ban for insulting referee in World Cup qualifier vs. Chile - ESPN FC

03-08-2017, 03:51 PM	#601
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	I don't understand what I'm reading on the internet... it's like the plot of some strange unrealistic soccer movie. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

03-08-2017, 04:40 PM	#602
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03-08-2017, 05:48 PM	#603
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03-08-2017, 06:45 PM	#604
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03-08-2017, 08:19 PM	#605
CraigSca Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Not Delaware - hurray!	I should probably know this, but wasn't there offside on the last goal? Is it only the goal scorer who counts for offside, because it definitely looked like there was a lone Barca player up top who was clearly offside? __________________ She loves you, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah! She loves you, yeah! how do you know? how do you know?

03-09-2017, 12:52 AM	#607
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03-09-2017, 02:33 AM	#608
whomario Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2007	Meanwhile, Pulisic played a major role in Dortmund beating Benfica with a great goal, an assist and an overall really good game. Had been better as a sub so far this season, good to see him shine playing from the start. __________________ “The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn, like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes "Awww!” Last edited by whomario : 03-09-2017 at 02:33 AM.

03-09-2017, 08:02 AM	#610
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	Yeah, I'm not sure I like the offside change. I understand it from the prospect of a guy not being affecting the play, but there are times where I see guys running to back up a cross and if the ball made it to them, they're offside, but it doesn't. Even if he doesn't touch the ball, the keeper is still cognizant of the fact that a guy is on that side and it has to affect how he plays. But its very rare that they'll blow a whistle on that.

03-09-2017, 08:35 AM	#612
Warhammer Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dayton, OH	I was watching the game while I was working, and it was amazing to me how passive PSG played the entire game. It seemed like the one time they played assertively, Cavani scored. The rest of the game it seemed like Barcelona had the ball on the attack. When you play to not lose, you normally lose.

03-09-2017, 01:04 PM	#616
sovereignstar v2 hates iowa Join Date: Oct 2010	What offside change are we talking about? Nothing has been changed in a long time as far as I know. Edit: Only thing I can think of is how they've tried to clarify what being actively involved really means, or what would be deemed interfering. But that those players can be offside is not something that has recently changed. Last edited by sovereignstar v2 : 03-09-2017 at 01:07 PM.

03-09-2017, 01:09 PM	#617
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	We're talking about the 1995-6 changes I believe. That reiterated that player who is not directly interfering with play isn't a violating of the offside rule. The discussion began because of the last Barca goal yesterday where, apparently, there was a player in an offside position who wasn't interfering with play and therefore offside wasn't called. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

03-09-2017, 02:21 PM	#619
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	No worries. A lot of tinkering with the offside rule is to adjust it enough so that you don't have people camping out at the opponent's goal, but also balance that with not to constrain offense so much that the game gets dull. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

03-09-2017, 10:13 PM	#620
whomario Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2007	Remember that time when FIFA experimented with only having the whistle blown once the player touches the ball ? Now that was hilarious I always felt that playing for offside is a strategy, not a necessity. So i kinda fail to have too much sympathy with the defense in these situations and when it is essentially a 50/50 call. I do think there ought to be a "2-Pass-Rule", meaning a player not involved can´t be targeted with the very next pass after being judged as not involved. Because that's when he ultimately has an unfair advantage due to his positioning further up the pitch than his/the defender(s) __________________ “The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn, like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes "Awww!” Last edited by whomario : 03-09-2017 at 10:15 PM.

03-12-2017, 04:29 PM	#621
MizzouCowboy H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Feb 2009	Interesting match between Minnesota and Atlanta with a snow covered pitch. Looks like Atlanta may score 10 before it's over. And SKC may get a clear cut shot on goal before the season is over, but I'm not holding my breath.

03-12-2017, 04:38 PM	#622
CrescentMoonie College Starter Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Earth, the semi-final frontier.	Loving the stoppage for snow removal. Minnesota is really bad.

03-12-2017, 05:20 PM	#623
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03-12-2017, 06:07 PM	#624
sovereignstar v2 hates iowa Join Date: Oct 2010	I'm not as sad as I was when I initially found out that I wouldn't be able to watch the regional broadcasts of MnUFC.

03-12-2017, 06:11 PM	#625
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	Could Adrian Heath get fired after 2 games?

03-12-2017, 06:45 PM	#626
sovereignstar v2 hates iowa Join Date: Oct 2010	lofuckingl Spoiler Last edited by sovereignstar v2 : 03-12-2017 at 06:45 PM.

03-12-2017, 08:46 PM	#627
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	I couldn't have asked for anything more as an Atlanta fan. Snow game, orange ball, and a 6-1 victory? Great all the way through. Poor Minnesota fans though. That front office needs to summarily fired for that roster composition. Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

03-14-2017, 04:27 PM	#628
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	This Leicester team is like a zombie waking up from the dead after Ranieri's firing. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

03-18-2017, 10:43 AM	#629
CrescentMoonie College Starter Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Earth, the semi-final frontier.	I would give a standing ovation and lifetime employment to whoever ends Costa's career.

03-18-2017, 11:45 AM	#630
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03-24-2017, 10:00 PM	#631
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03-24-2017, 10:22 PM	#632
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03-24-2017, 10:27 PM	#633
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03-24-2017, 10:58 PM	#634
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	What's after nicerest? A goal 15 seconds into the 2nd half for Pulisic! __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

03-24-2017, 10:59 PM	#635
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03-24-2017, 11:01 PM	#636
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	Holy shit. 5-0 now for the US __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

03-24-2017, 11:02 PM	#637
MizzouCowboy H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Feb 2009	Omg this is nuts!

03-24-2017, 11:07 PM	#638
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	6-0! Hat trick for Dempsey on a free kick! __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

03-24-2017, 11:07 PM	#639
sovereignstar v2 hates iowa Join Date: Oct 2010	Holy fuckballs

03-24-2017, 11:07 PM	#640
Neuqua Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago, Ill	6-0? Really? __________________ Our Deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, 'Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous?' Actually, who are you not to be?

03-24-2017, 11:08 PM	#641
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	They need to save some goals for Panama on Tuesday __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

03-24-2017, 11:19 PM	#642
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