Historical Nation Draft

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by Danny

5.10 Pope John Paul II, Chief Diplomat - Poland, 20th century

He helped to bridge catholics and the rest of society, including improving relations with judaism and other religions. And aside from being one of the most influential people in the 20th century, Pope John Paul II was instrumental in bringing down communism in eastern Europe and in their being as peaceful a transition as possible.

DAMN YOU. I've been holding off and holding off on that one, thinking no one would think of him.

[Lathum]

well I see Galaril has left.

I'll be gone for a few hours so Larry can make my picks for me as soon as the time comes.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

I spent a whole class on the 6 days war and I know him very well. I was hoping he'd fall. Bastard!

bawhahahah

after usa+germany+uk went i figured there were only really 3 more decent countries with air forces...for my money i got the best of the 3 remaining

[Abe Sargent]

Yeah, he was really good

[DaddyTorgo]

i'm sorry abe - if i knew about your man crush i would have taken the other person i had thought of

[Abe Sargent]

Way life goes

[DaddyTorgo]

at least you don't have swine flu!

[Abe Sargent]

Nor will I with my Particulate Respirator!

[DaddyTorgo]

yay!

I bet it helps you score mad bitches too...

[Abe Sargent]

Tres mad, as in, pissed off. By my sexiness

[DaddyTorgo]

it's bad...i've become a bad person. i don't refer to them as girls or ladies anymore. i pretty much universally refer to them as "bitches" - at least unless i'm talking about a friend or a family member

[Galaril]

Sorry I was in a meeting, boys.

5.11- Darius the Great,Iran (Persia), Justice MINISTER, Pre 20th century

[Abe Sargent]

Solid choice

[Izulde]

Loved the JP II pick as I thought of him for Chief Diplomat too.

Darius the Great as Justice Minister? Interesting. I thought of him only as the guy who got his ass kicked by Alexander (Unless that's a different Darius).

[lordscarlet]

Originally Posted by Izulde

Loved the JP II pick as I thought of him for Chief Diplomat too.

Darius the Great as Justice Minister? Interesting. I thought of him only as the guy who got his ass kicked by Alexander (Unless that's a different Darius).

That was Darius III. Darius the Great is Darius I. (Thank you, wikipedia)

[larrymcg421]

Lathum picks:

5.12 Great Wall of China, Manmade structure, China, pre-20th
6.1 Yuri Gagarin, Air Chief, Russia, 20th

[Galaril]

Galaril:
6.2 Pablo Picasso, Artist, Spain 20th

[Coffee Warlord]

And there goes my Air Chief.

[Danny]

Im here, will make my pick

[Danny]

6.3 Alfred Hitchcock, Artist - United States, 20th century

Born in the UK, but he became a citizen of the United States and helped make Hollywood Famous. Hitchcock is largely considered the most influential director ever and film has become the dominant form of art in our society. That would not have been possible without Hitchcock.

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

And there goes my Air Chief.

Yup mine too.

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by Danny

6.3 Alfred Hitchcock, Artist - United States, 20th century

Born in the UK, but he became a citizen of the United States and helped make Hollywood Famous. Hitchcock is largely considered the most influential director ever and film has become the dominant form of art in our society. That would not have been possible without Hitchcock.

So couldn't or wouldn't here be UK since he was born there? What was the ruling on DT question a while back on what determines where someone is from birth, death or where they did the thing they are famous for?

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Galaril

So couldn't or wouldn't here be UK since he was born there? What was the ruling on DT question a while back on what determines where someone is from birth, death or where they did the thing they are famous for?

The ruling, which he put in the first page, is that we can assign whereever we want as long as there is a connection.

[Danny]

I asked Larry before I made the pick and he said it was fine. I don't know the criteria, but he was a citizen and made famous here in the U.S.

[lordscarlet]

Originally Posted by Galaril

Galaril:
6.2 David Hume, Diplomat, Ireland 20th

So I was amazed that this would be the Irish diplomat selected. In fact, I said to myself, "David who?" So I wiki'd the name. No hit that matches the selections above (20th century Ireland). I did a quick google search, still nothing that matches up. Can you help me out here, as I am someone that is very interested in the Irish's history during the 20th century and the selections not made are boggling my mind.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Galaril

Yup mine too.

Yuup

[Danny]

And even though he was born in the UK, I think Hitchcock is more connected with Hollywood.

[larrymcg421]

From the first post:

3) To determine the country being used, you can pick birth, or if someone spent most of their life in a country, and is known for that country, then you can use that also. As long as there is some connection to that country, so someone doesn't pick FDR for Bangladesh, then I'll leave it up to the voters.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Danny

And even though he was born in the UK, I think Hitchcock is more connected with Hollywood.

Plus it blocks another other US artists.

[Abe Sargent]

Which sucks because I was hoping I could sneak Frank Lloyd Wright in a few rounds.

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

The ruling, which he put in the first page, is that we can assign whereever we want as long as there is a connection.

Originally Posted by Danny

I asked Larry before I made the pick and he said it was fine. I don't know the criteria, but he was a citizen and made famous here in the U.S.

Sorry, I missed that.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Galaril

Sorry, I missed that.

Yeah, there's been a lot of rules added or clarified over the draft so I totally understand!

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by lordscarlet

So I was amazed that this would be the Irish diplomat selected. In fact, I said to myself, "David who?" So I wiki'd the name. No hit that matches the selections above (20th century Ireland). I did a quick google search, still nothing that matches up. Can you help me out here, as I am someone that is very interested in the Irish's history during the 20th century and the selections not made are boggling my mind.

Good catch I fixed it. It was John Hume. Not sure where I got David from. He along with Thrimble broked the "peace accord deal" in Northern Island the only person to ever win the Ghandi, Martin Luther Kng and Nobel Prizes in peace. I had also thought about Collins of course.

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

Which sucks because I was hoping I could sneak Frank Lloyd Wright in a few rounds.

Or Jenna Jameson

[Izulde]

I hope none of the guys before me take my pick...

[lordscarlet]

Originally Posted by Galaril

Good catch I fixed it. It was John Hume. Not sure where I got David from. He along with Thrimble broked the "peace accord deal" in Northern Island the only person to ever win the Ghandi, Martin Luther Kng and Nobel Prizes in peace. I had also thought about Collins of course.

Well, then, I hate to be that guy, but he's from the UK. (edit: and I do believe a UK diplomat has been selected)

My real curiosity is not taking someone from earlier in the century, but they certainly have their flaws (I was thinking De Valera over Collins). Davd Hume was a scottish philospher in the 18th century, btw.

[ntndeacon]

6.4 Alberto Santos-Dumont-Air Chief-Brazil-20th century

Some say it was he and not the wright brothers that actually inveted the heavier than air flying machine. What's more his results could even be replicated unlike the wrights designs.

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by lordscarlet

Well, then, I hate to be that guy, but he's from the UK. (edit: and I do believe a UK diplomat has been selected)

My real curiosity is not taking someone from earlier in the century, but they certainly have their flaws (I was thinking De Valera over Collins). Davd Hume was a scottish philospher in the 18th century, btw.

Thanks, that was who I was thinking of. And you are right on him actually being from UK if we are saying N.Ireland is part of England. Which as an irish descended 3rd generation american is hard to admit but true. Larry, give me a ruling and I can change the pick.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Galaril

Thanks, that was who I was thinking of. And you are right on him actually being from UK if we are saying N.Ireland is part of England. Which as an irish descended 3rd generation american is hard to admit but true. Larry, give me a ruling and I can change the pick.

I think he just has to be connected, that's the rule. I'm totally fine with him being selected as Irish.

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

I think he just has to be connected, that's the rule. I'm totally fine with him being selected as Irish.

Ok, great......Lord Scarlett damn you I just realized you aren't even playing

[lordscarlet]

So he can be Irish but the Scottsmen have been ruled as from the UK? It needs to be one or the other.

And I'm 3rd generation, but from the Republic

[lordscarlet]

Originally Posted by Galaril

Ok, great......Lord Scarlett damn you I just realized you aren't even playing

This is why people don't like me in the drafts.

I might have left it alone if I wasn't stumped on the Irish history factor.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by lordscarlet

So he can be Irish but the Scottsmen have been ruled as from the UK? It needs to be one or the other.

And I'm 3rd generation, but from the Republic

You have to connect it to an actual current country, that's teh rule. Ireland is a country. Scotland is not.

[Abe Sargent]

BTW, I really like the country rules in this draft, because it adds a real nice layer of strategy to it

[larrymcg421]

Yeah, Hume is Northern Ireland, which would count as part of the UK. I don't see any substantial connection with Ireland itself, so that one would need to be changed.

[Abe Sargent]

Really?

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

You have to connect it to an actual current country, that's teh rule. Ireland is a country. Scotland is not.

Ireland is a country, but Hume is not from that country. He is from Northern Ireland, which is certainly different and part of the UK.

[larrymcg421]

If someone can make a strong case to me, that he actually has a connection to Ireland, and not just Northern Ireland, then I would reconsider, but based on Wiki, I don't see even a minor connection.

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

If someone can make a strong case to me, that he actually has a connection to Ireland, and not just Northern Ireland, then I would reconsider, but based on Wiki, I don't see even a minor connection.

Well not to start a holy war and will chnage it but I could spend a whole day arguing that N.Ireland was once and should be again considered Irish land and not British but.......so he may not have a major connection but he sure as hell has a connection for sure. Changed.

[Abe Sargent]

I don;t know that much about N Ireland politics. Here was what I thought:

The peace process itself is because some people want to forcibly remove the British from their soil and rejoin Ireland and a cease fire with these people was negotiated. Later negotiations and accords led to deweaponizing. How is a negotiation of peace with supporters and friends of that position not connection to Ireland? With the very issue at the core of the process whether or not N Ireland should flip to Ireland or not?


Now again, I could be wrong and my understabding may be off, so if so, I apologize for my ignornance of the issues in play here