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Yeah, won't be seeing him at full speed til xmas. Still a good signing for Spurs though. Looks like Chimbonda is finally on his way to Spurs too. |
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08-31-2006, 10:42 AM | #553 | |
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Indeed West Ham is going to be scary this season if this deal goes through. I'm really happy that the Magpies got Rossi on loan. I wish it was for the full season rather than to January, but maybe we can 're-up' the loan if ManU's striker are doing really well by then.
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08-31-2006, 12:35 PM | #554 |
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LOL can you say dirty deals?
From the Guardian: 6.15pm No sooner have West Ham signed two of the world's best young players than they're preparing fans for their sale. "These are exciting signings for us," spraffs West Ham media spokesman Phil Hall, lining up the inevitable 'but'. "But, of course, if we were offered major fees for the players at a later date we would have to consider it - as we would with other players." I wonder who they would sell them to at a later date >.> |
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Rumor has it they are test runs to see how they'd do in the Premiership before heading over to Chelski.
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08-31-2006, 01:21 PM | #556 |
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If Chelsea ends up winning the title and they both end up moving there, I think I'm done closely following the EPL. I'll save the 10 bucks a month, thanks.
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I'm not sure of that. Mascherano's great, but we're probably the only team on the planet who wouldn't benefit from having him. Tevez is a horrible fit for a 4-3-3, and if we're changing to a 4-4-2 (which there have been a few signs of) then you'd think we'd sign him now, rather than go into the season with just two out-and-out strikers. The real problem with that theory, though, is that why on earth wouldn't we just buy them and loan them out for a season to get acclimatized? There's no reason to go through this much subterfuge. |
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I'm pretty sure there's an agency that up to half of Tevez, Masherano, and other players as well. Any team that's hard up for cash can sell parts of their players to this agency, but the agency then gets that piece of whatever transfer fee inevitably takes place. FIFA has more stringent regulations in place now, but these deals can still take place. I wish I could remember the company name, but it's something with initials and I don't have time to go back through any of the soccer news/boards to find it. Roman Abramovich apparently owns this company. They're independent however, and someone high-up decided it would look ridiculously sketchy if both these guys transferred to Chelsea, so they're transferring them to West Ham instead. Why West Ham? Well apparently this company (and I HATE not knowing the name so can someone help?) had interest at one point in purchasing West Ham, so if that does go through in the next year, the new owners can just keep these two star players. If not, the agency still makes a cut of the future transfer fee to Chelsea or wherever, adn West Ham books a profit on the sale, plus whatever additional places/cups they can win with Tevez and Mascherano on board. That's the rumor. |
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08-31-2006, 03:03 PM | #559 |
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MSI?
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08-31-2006, 03:57 PM | #560 |
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Sky says that Villarreal are going to blow the $3.5mil they got from HSV for Sorin to buy Cygan from Arsenal.
That would be one of those addition by subtraction things for Arsenal. The other rumor is Gallas + 8.5mil pounds for Ashley Cole. Pull off those two, add in Baptista for a disinterested wantaway Reyes and it would be a good night for Arsenal. |
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DaMarcus Beasley goes to Man City on a season long loan. After a pretty average world cup, do you think he will have any impact for them?
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I don't think there's ever been any proof that Roman is involved in MSI - just an as-yet unsubstantiated rumour. And as I said before, I don't think this deal makes any sense for Chelsea if we were involved in planning it. Honestly, how odd would it seem if we just paid twenty million or so for Tevez (or Mascherano)? Well, how much odder than the usual Chelsea deal since Kenyon started handling them? And if MSI are trying not to make things look sketchy then they're doing a really horrible job.
I completely agree that Chelsea are probably the backup plan if MSI don't take over West Ham. But there's a difference between their relying on us to pay over the odds for up-and-coming stars and our secretly running the world. |
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Some people on this board will be interested that DaMarcus Beasley has signed a loan deal with Man City. Not sure how long for.
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08-31-2006, 06:56 PM | #564 |
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and it appears that the Cole for Gallas move happened right at the deadline...
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Looking at the cash going to Arsenal, I would say Chelsea won this game of chicken. Orinigal numbers being tossed around were 2-3 times higher.
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08-31-2006, 09:17 PM | #567 | |
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That was without Gallas, though, who is a highly-rated (rightfully so, imo) defender, who would cost at least 12 million by himself, I should think. Put it this way, I was already assuming that Arsenal wouldn't have Cole and Reyes this season but was deathly afraid that they wouldn't buy any new players. Getting Gallas and Baptista will help them immensele. |
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I was certainly hearing Gallas + 10 million (GBP) for Cole. I think relative to talk about the value of these players a month ago, that Chelsea is the winner at the negotiating table. That's all i'm saying. Seems to be a win/win in theory, but it appears that Chelsea gained considerable negotiating ground between the original rumors and today. |
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In terms of pure numbers, the highest rumour was 15 million pounds + Gallas. That would have been a 5 to 10 million pound rating for Gallas.
However, I'm not sure Arsenal could have pulled that off, simply because a 25 million pound rating on Cole would give Chelsea room to argue that Gallas's value would be much higher as well. Did Chelsea gain negotiating ground? Probably. I don't think they needed Gallas as much as Arsenal needed another defender to replace Cole. I'm not sure how Gallas will fit though, since he reportedly was unhappy at playing leftback. If anything, that's what Arsenal needs him to play now, since Hoyte looks weaker than Djerou. Overall, I think Arsenal came out of the day looking much improved. They essentially have strengthened the squad by 2 (since Reyes and Cole weren't playing anyway). The Baptista deal worries me though, since it's only a year's loan. I can see Baptista refusing to sign on permanently next summer. And oh, I wonder whether Cygan left (addition by subtraction ... and for 2 million pounds!!) |
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As for temporarily filling in on the outside, in spite of not liking it, he's done an incredible job for the past two years for Chelsea playing on the left -- where a certain money grubbing asshole was "injured" for much of last season. I would imagine he has enough sense to be willing to fill in on the outside temporarily until Clichy heals. Or at least I hope so. I'm a big fan of Djourou (I think he'll be awesome once he's had more game experience) but you're talking about a centreback playing centreback versus a right-back filling in at left-back. In spite of his relatively weak showing, Hoyte deserves a *little* bit of slack. Quote:
Baptista gives an interesting twist to the Arsenal offense and a yet another different look to partner with Henry (as well as being one who should complement Henry very well). He also makes an interesting alternative for when Henry needs to sit. Also, if Wenger wants to go back to the 4-5-1 he employed in Europe last year, he makes an excellent candidate for that central midfielder/attacker slot where he can run forward to support Henry. Getting Gallas is, well, getting Gallas. Just incredibly awesome. Losing someone with Cole's talent hurts, no question about it, but, well, we were going to lose him anyway. Tough. Reyes is simply not the brightest bulb in the knife drawer and never managed to settle in England so he was never going to ever fulfill his potential with us anyway. Sucks. I mean, if I understand this correctly, we're talking Cole + Reyes + Cygan = Gallas + Baptista + Rosicky + 5M . . . that's badass. That's without adding in Fran Merida, who looks tremendously talented, and Denilson (whose fee could actually go up to 4M so that last 5M could be mostly wiped out). That's just an insane offseason!The Cybot will be missed. I'm not sure how or why we managed to GET 2M for him. |
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Fantastic mixed metaphor
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Well, here's where I disagree. While I can appreciate that Hoyte is playing out of position and he's young, we can't ignore the fact that he's the weak link in defence. Opposing teams won't cut Arsenal and Hoyte any slack because of that. We can recognise his potential but we can also recognise that he's a problem right now. Quote:
Well, take it how you will but Baptista suggests he wants a 4-year contract. True, false? We'll see next summer. I wonder what happens if either Reyes or Baptista aren't happy and want to return though... is their club obligated to take them back and, if so, at what price? Quote:
I have to admit I haven't seen much of Baptista. By all accounts he's a strong physical player that has a powerful shot and a goalscoring instinct (50 goals in 2 seasons for Sevilla playing as an AM). If so, he's the exact player I think Arsenal should sign, since his directness will be an interesting contrast to some of the Arsenal fluffiness I've come to love and hate. |
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On the other hand, that's next year. And, as of right now, we are no longer carrying an unhappy forward nursing a supposed groin injury and, thus, unavailable to us and we have added a high quality player who theoretically should be an excellent fit as a partner for Henry and provides a viable "plan B" for goal scoring when Henry cannot participate. Especially against thuggish teams that feel they can use physical play to keep us out of the game (and rightfully so). Most importantly, adding such a quality player keeps Henry happy. Probably almost as much as not having to glare at Reyes all game long. (I don't think Reyes' passing get enough credit. I think he made some very good passes to release Henry on some of his patented runs.) |
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Sorry, I have a hard time believing these claims. If a player ever did anything he's accused of threatening to do (own goal, purposely sent off, deliberate mistakes), he would never play for a top flight club again. Of course, I'm sure Gallas can sue for libel if these aren't true, so we'll see what happens.
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09-05-2006, 04:25 AM | #580 |
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Heh. Heh. Chelsea "family". Heh. Heh.
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Interestingly, the rumours are that Mourinho was absolutely furious at Peter Kenyon for selling Gallas to Arsenal. Interesting twist to all this. Of course, Chelsea has come out to deny such allegations.
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So I was watching the EPL Preview show last night on Fox Soccer and they did a story on Man City. As they interviewed Stuart Pearce, I couldn't help but wonder if he moonlights as the voice behind the Geico gecko. If I closed my eyes I wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
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wow, didn't see THAT result coming
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Anyone who hasn't seen the highlights, go track down a clip of Everton's third. Now.
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Heh. The Italian Serie A and Serie B kicked off today.. Juventus played their first game in Serie B, and only managed a 1-1 draw against Rimini
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Wow....Jimmy Bullard's knee.....amazing that they're talking about it only keeping him out for 2 months, one of the nastiest injuries I've seen.
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The bad news is, Juventus has knocked 1 point off their deficit. The good news is, they're still 16 points in the hole
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I guess the refereeing is going to continue to be bad throughout the UEFA Champions league competition too which is surprising considering I wouldve thought that there wouldve been some very stern discussions with the refs about their job(s) and what they are to do. Man. U just got a gift.
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Damn, looks like i missed a Man U-Celtic game worth watching.
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regardless, the ref handed out a PK like it was a raffle tix.
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I thought it was a penalty, Boruc got lost so bumped Giggs over. It might not have been a 100% definite, but it would be given most of the time I think. Certainly not a gift.
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Well, I think when a keeper minimally touches the guy, he takes two steps than slides to the ground throwing his hands up, it should NOT be a PK. When last year, the keeper tackled the guy on a one on one it was certainly a PK (maybe not the red card)....Boruc did not cause the player to not get the ball NOR cause him to fall. How that deerves a PK is beyond me and I hope that that isnt the caliber of calls were going to see this entire tourney.
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Soccer is a game of close calls, if you disagree with a call it doesn't automatically mean it's a bad call and a poor calibre of refereeing.
The Celtic manager says they lost because they lacked flair, Gravesen says they lost because of his pass, The Glasgow Herald (the pro-Celtic local newspaper) calls it "a moment of mindlessness by Boruc" after a " reckless dash from his goal-line." |
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A question for anyone who saw the Arsenal game: Arseblogger's description had it being a pretty horrible PK and red card call on the Hamburg keeper while Sky only said that Van Persie "made a meal" of the contact. Opinions?
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hxxp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lmn23WyZ2j0
It's kind of tough to tell, but Van Persie sells it well. Perhaps a little too well to be legit. |
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It's hard to tell from the youtube angle. If he touched his ankle the decision is correct, if he didn't it was a dive. Can't really tell though. Seems like double punishment sometimes to give a penalty and a sending off when it's not a clear professional foul.
I watched the Man U v celtic game yesterday and I thought the commentator mentioned something about a Champions League highlights program on ESPN. Was I hearing things, or did he mention it? |
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