The OFFICIAL NHL 2009-10 Offseason Thread

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

As much as I like the Flyers team, the Brian Boucher/Ray Emery combo just doesn't instill much confidence. The rest of the team looks fine and should be a lot of fun to watch.

I could see a Toronto/Philly game as a match between two teams trying to out truculate the other.

Emery has been to a SCF and in his rookie season he (Boucher) carried the Flyers to the ECF, went up 3-1 on the Devils and Eric Lindros came back and shit all over the team. Clarke did his usual dump the young guy for an old over the hill goalie.

If they get an average effort from their goalies, I think the Flyers will be fine.

[Maple Leafs]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

So, if it's true that Beauchemin is a Leaf that gives them nine defensemen under contract: Beauchemin, Komisaerk, Kaberle, Exelby, Finger, Schenn, Van Ryn, Frogren and White.

Plus Anton Stralman, who at one point was a semi-decent prospect.

Out of that batch, Exelby can be a seventh or eighth guy. They probably trade Van Ryn just to dump his salary. Frogren probably gets cut or sent down. And White can play forward if he needs to.

Or you just do the obvious: trade Kaberle for a top line forward.

(Note in case Brian Burke is reading this: a "forward" is like a defenceman, but he plays further up.)

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Out of that batch, Exelby can be a seventh or eighth guy.

From that group, I'd say he's your fifth or sixth guy (on a Burke team).

To be honest, with some time to reflect, I really don't like the deal for Atlanta & wish they hadn't done it. A lot of night XLB was one of the few guys in blue who had a pulse and I expect we'll be looking to flip Kubina for somebody else's prospects by the deadline.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Cam Barker 3 years /$9.25M

What kind of room are the Hawks going to have next season to extend Toews and Kane?

[Maple Leafs]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

... I expect we'll be looking to flip Kubina for somebody else's prospects by the deadline.

Good luck with that. He has a NTC and refused to waive at each of the last two deadlines.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Good luck with that. He has a NTC and refused to waive at each of the last two deadlines.

In that case we'll probably end up paying him to sit, just as it seems we've done with every other veteran defensemen we've brought in.

[bbor]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

In that case we'll probably end up paying him to sit, just as it seems we've done with every other veteran defensemen we've brought in.

Jon...i think you'll be happy with Kubby....he gives it every night...i was sorta sad to see him go.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by DeToxRox

NHLPA filed their grievance regarding the Chicago RFA's. I have a feeling this might not go to well for the Hawks.

Let's hope so!

[MikeVic]

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

Emery has been to a SCF and in his rookie season he (Boucher) carried the Flyers to the ECF, went up 3-1 on the Devils and Eric Lindros came back and shit all over the team. Clarke did his usual dump the young guy for an old over the hill goalie.

If they get an average effort from their goalies, I think the Flyers will be fine.

And Jim Carey led the league in shutouts, then disappeared. Goalies seem very finicky, and as neither a Flyers hater nor supporter, that goalie tandem seems pretty shaky.

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by MikeVic

And Jim Carey led the league in shutouts, then disappeared. Goalies seem very finicky, and as neither a Flyers hater nor supporter, that goalie tandem seems pretty shaky.

It's like that every year.

[RomaGoth]

Originally Posted by MikeVic

And Jim Carey led the league in shutouts, then disappeared. Goalies seem very finicky, and as neither a Flyers hater nor supporter, that goalie tandem seems pretty shaky.

Didn't he make a few movies though? Ace Ventura, Bruce Almighty, Liar Liar...

[johnnyshaka]

Per TSN...Gustavsson chooses the Leafs with a one year deal worth $1 million...huh??

[Draft Dodger]

Originally Posted by johnnyshaka

Per TSN...Gustavsson chooses the Leafs with a one year deal worth $1 million...huh??

huh that he chose the Leafs or huh that it was a one year deal or huh that it was 1 million?

[johnnyshaka]

The last two...I would've expected all the hype around this guy to net him at least a few million a year for 3 years.

[Draft Dodger]

Originally Posted by johnnyshaka

The last two...I would've expected all the hype around this guy to net him at least a few million a year for 3 years.

he could only do a 1 year deal at max of $900k or something to that effect

[johnnyshaka]

Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

he could only do a 1 year deal at max of $900k or something to that effect

Why's that? Didn't Fabio (or whatever his name is who signed with Dallas) sign a much more lucrative deal last summer?

[Honolulu_Blue]

I'm glad to hear the Monster went to Toronto. I like it when the Maple Leafs are interesting and it's been a while since they were initeresting.

Burke, Wilson, the Goon Squad, the Monster, no forwards to speak of... Good times!

[Draft Dodger]

Originally Posted by johnnyshaka

Why's that? Didn't Fabio (or whatever his name is who signed with Dallas) sign a much more lucrative deal last summer?

(just looked this up)

18-21 year olds signing their entry level contract can sign for 3 years
22-23 year olds can sign for 2 years
24 year olds can sign for 1
25+ can sign for any length and amount.

[johnnyshaka]

Interesting...thanks for the info, DD.

[DataKing]

Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

Cam Barker 3 years /$9.25M

What kind of room are the Hawks going to have next season to extend Toews and Kane?

As things stand right now, not enough. They'd have to hope they could convince someone to take Brian Campbell's bloated contract off their hands.

[johnnyshaka]

Originally Posted by DataKing

As things stand right now, not enough. They'd have to hope they could convince someone to take Brian Campbell's bloated contract off their hands.

Burke is collecting d-men at the moment...

[DataKing]

I don't know if Campbell is truculent enough to match the new Maple Leafs mold though. He's great at spin-o-rama-ing himself out of the play in a playoff game though.

[Pyser]

Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

(just looked this up)

18-21 year olds signing their entry level contract can sign for 3 years
22-23 year olds can sign for 2 years
24 year olds can sign for 1
25+ can sign for any length and amount.

how absolutely insane. i love it.

what exactly happens at age 25? its not even the age of ufa, is it?

[Pyser]

dola, i guess it is, if you entered the league at 18 (isnt it 7 years of being in the nhl or being 27 years old, whichever comes first?).

still makes no sense for someone not in the league.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by Pyser

dola, i guess it is, if you entered the league at 18 (isnt it 7 years of being in the nhl or being 27 years old, whichever comes first?).

Correct.

[Pyser]

still doesnt explain why a 24 year old can ONLY sign a 1 year contract.

[Honolulu_Blue]

So Pronger has already signed an extension with the Flyers. So, he's basically a Flyer for life. That's good. He belongs there. I am happy to see him in the East.

The Flyers, where old, giant hulking defensemen go when they get old. (see, e.g., Rathje, Mike; Hatcher, Derian).

[Maple Leafs]

Originally Posted by Pyser

still doesnt explain why a 24 year old can ONLY sign a 1 year contract.

My understanding is that an entry-level deal can't extend beyond the year that you're 24.

So he has to sign an entry-level deal, but it can only be one year (after which he's an RFA).

[Pyser]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

So Pronger has already signed an extension with the Flyers. So, he's basically a Flyer for life. That's good. He belongs there. I am happy to see him in the East.

The Flyers, where old, giant hulking defensemen go when they get old. (see, e.g., Rathje, Mike; Hatcher, Derian).

7 year, $35mil.

LOVE IT.

[Draft Dodger]

Joe Sakic is announcing his retirement on Thursday.

[DataKing]

Though I've despised the Avalanche for many years, I've always had tons of respect for Joe as a player.

First-ballot HoF for sure.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Originally Posted by Pyser

7 year, $35mil.

LOVE IT.

Was texting Sak about this.

I trust the Flyers did their homework on this, but could be interesting.

Players over age 35 who sign multiyear deals, all those years count against the cap. Period.

Pronger is 34 now. But, he's got a year left on his current deal, this new 7 years is an extension. Does it count when he signs it (34) or when the new deal starts (35)?

Again, I'll assume the Flyers checked this all out...but would be funny as hell if it's the 2nd option.

[Maple Leafs]

Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

Joe Sakic is announcing his retirement on Thursday.

Who?

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

Joe Sakic is announcing his retirement on Thursday.

That's too bad. He had a great career.

He was the one player who always kept me from completely and utterly hating the Avalanche back in the day.

[Maple Leafs]

Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

Does it count when he signs it (34) or when the new deal starts (35)?

Well, the CBA says it's the age "as of June 30 prior to the League Year in which the SPC is to be effective".

The League Year starts on July 1. Pronger's extension is effective July 1, 2010, which would suggest that what matters is his age as of June 30, 2010. Which is 35.

I'm assuming that I'm reading all this wrong, since the Flyers couldn't possibly make a mistake like that.

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by Pyser

7 year, $35mil.

LOVE IT.

Yeah maybe by then the Devils will have some offense to actually do something. The 7 years was to get the cap hit down. So when you look at it the Flyers are paying Kimmo and Pronger the same as the Rangers are paying Redden and Rozsival .

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Well, the CBA says it's the age "as of June 30 prior to the League Year in which the SPC is to be effective".

The League Year starts on July 1. Pronger's extension is effective July 1, 2010, which would suggest that what matters is his age as of June 30, 2010. Which is 35.

I'm assuming that I'm reading all this wrong, since the Flyers couldn't possibly make a mistake like that.

It's when the contract is signed, not when it goes into effect. He signed it today and is 34.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Reading through most of the HF thread about Pronger, the consensus seems to be Philly is on the hook for $5M a year against the cap for the term of the deal-- through 2017.

The few twists that could occur:

LTIR-- also known as "The Rathje"

Trading the cap hit to a team with space while sweetening the deal with a pick-- also known as "The Malakhov"

Sent to the minors-- savings of $100K per year, cap hit only $4.9M through 2017.

Also reading in there, the deal is on the books as $34.4M, but also includes incentives that could make it worth up to $43.9M, making the potential dead cap hit $6.2M.

Confirmed Signing with Link: Chris Pronger signs 7 year extension with Philadelphia (35 million) - HFBoards

[Suburban Rhythm]

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

It's when the contract is signed, not when it goes into effect. He signed it today and is 34.

Reading the CBA though, it's not his age the day he signed the contract, it's his age as of June 30 of the league year. In this case, league year 09-10. And on 6/30/10, he's 35.

[Dr. Sak]

SR I'll bet you your tickets to a Flyers game next year that if Pronger retires it comes off the cap. You win I pay for your two tix...I win...I get your 2 tix.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

SR I'll bet you your tickets to a Flyers game next year that if Pronger retires it comes off the cap. You win I pay for your two tix...I win...I get your 2 tix.

Deal.

Though, I don't know for certain I have a PIT-PHI game, but I'd be 99.9999% sure I've got to have one.

I would tend to agree that Flyers front office would have looked into this...but everything I've read so far says differently.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Dola

I posted this site/tool earlier in the thread

CapGeek.com - NHL salary cap calculator, buyout calculator, free agents and more!

From the main page

PRONGER CLARIFICATION: Capgeek.com sources have clarified that Chris Pronger's new seven-year extension is a 35-plus deal, meaning it counts toward the cap under pretty much any circumstance. His birthdate is calculated on June 30, 2010.

[bbor]

$7.6, $7.6, $7.2, $7.0, $4.0, $525,000, $525,000

Prongers deal by year.

[samifan24]

Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

Joe Sakic is announcing his retirement on Thursday.

A great player and an even better professional. A true Hall of Famer.

[Maple Leafs]

Just for entertainment value, the best-case scenario is for the cap hit to count, but for Philly to have mistakingly thought that it didn't.

[Maple Leafs]

Re: the Tim Thomas deal:

An important note on Thomas's*contract - From The Rink

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Just for entertainment value, the best-case scenario is for the cap hit to count, but for Philly to have mistakingly thought that it didn't.

Given this fact...

Originally Posted by bbor

$7.6, $7.6, $7.2, $7.0, $4.0, $525,000, $525,000

Prongers deal by year.

It really sounds like the evidence is mounting in support of the best-case scenario.

More evidence in favor of the "best-case scenario." NHL's Billy Daly has confirmed that the entire value of the contract will count against the cap.

[Maple Leafs]

How can that be Pronger's year-by-year deal, though? I thought the CBA said that salary could only drop 50% year-to-year?

[Draft Dodger]

sure does look like Philly screwed up here

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

How can that be Pronger's year-by-year deal, though? I thought the CBA said that salary could only drop 50% year-to-year?

That's a good question.

I just looked at Zetterberg's, Franzen's and Hossa's contracts on nhlnumbers.com. Near the end of their deals, both Zetterberg's and Hossa's contracts fall by more than 50%. Zetterberg's goes from $3.5 or so to $1 and Hossa's goes from $4 to $1 in one year. Franzen's declines more gradually, never being reduced by more than 50%.