2007-2008 NBA Regular Season Thread - Page 12

Groundhog · 02-19-2008, 10:39 PM

So, how about those new look Hawks with Bibby.

Getting the absolute shit kicked out of them by the Lakers right now.

JeeberD · 02-19-2008, 10:43 PM

Rockets beat the Cavs again. Nine wins in a row, nine road wins in a row, and 13 wins out of our last 14 games (and 18 out of our last 21)...

MrBug708 · 02-19-2008, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Groundhog

So, how about those new look Hawks with Bibby.

Getting the absolute shit kicked out of them by the Lakers right now.

73 points in a half. Gasol is shotting somewhere around 68% since he's been a Laker.

Neon_Chaos · 02-19-2008, 10:49 PM

Halftime: Lakers 73 - Hawks 37

Neon_Chaos · 02-19-2008, 10:54 PM

MrBug708 · 02-19-2008, 10:56 PM

Why would he retire now? Better to just stay in circulation

st.cronin · 02-19-2008, 10:57 PM

rjolley · 02-20-2008, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

It's actually about 4 mil.

I think it's a pro-rated $4 mil contract for the rest of the season, which is $2 mil.

Neon_Chaos · 02-20-2008, 12:12 PM

Will Avery Johnson hold a grudge?

JonInMiddleGA · 02-20-2008, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by rjolley

I think it's a pro-rated $4 mil contract for the rest of the season, which is $2 mil.

Maybe it changed but as of 48 hours ago ...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3250819
...sources say Van Horn will receive an estimated $4.3 million for the rest of the season that will not be pro-rated if the trade goes through.

stevew · 02-20-2008, 12:22 PM

There's no way the trade would have gone through if it were pro-rated. This one barely passes muster as it is. And pro-rata on the amount would still be 80%, as every year starting jan 10, you can pro rate deals for the rest of the season by 1/180. 36/180 days have roughly passed at the point of the trade. I know it seems like it should be half a seasons pay for half a season, but it doesn't work like that.

rjolley · 02-20-2008, 12:35 PM

Ah, the way I read it before was he'd get paid half his $4m contract. Thanks for the correction.

JonInMiddleGA · 02-20-2008, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Groundhog

So, how about those new look Hawks with Bibby.

It gets better.

from the AJC beat writer's blog a couple of hours ago

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SACRAMENTO - Hawks point guard Mike Bibby is listed as questionable for tonight’s game against his former team here, Hawks coach Mike Woodson just told me as the Hawks began their shootaround practice.

That’s more bad news for the Hawks, who are still smarting from Tuesday night’s 122-93 head-buster administered by the Los Angeles Lakers.

Bibby hurt his right heel in third quarter against the Lakers and did not return to the game. He was on the floor during shootaround, but going half speed and wearing warm ups and a t-shirt instead of his practice gear.

Arles · 02-20-2008, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Groundhog

So, how about those new look Hawks with Bibby.

Getting the absolute shit kicked out of them by the Lakers right now.

I think the Hawks just have a deathwish for the Suns. First, they decide to spend money and trade for Bibby, potentially hurting the pick Phoenix gets. Next, in the one game it helps Phoenix for ATL to win (LAL in 1st of B2B with Phoenix), Atlanta lays an egg and allows the Lakers to rest half their guys.

SnDvls · 02-20-2008, 06:27 PM

San Antonio is looking to land Ron Artest sending Brent Barry, Fabricio Oberto, and a draft pick (TBD).

If this happens does San Antonio become the favorite to win the West?

MrBug708 · 02-20-2008, 06:32 PM

Another rumor was that the Spurs were looking to land Kurt Thomas

korme · 02-20-2008, 06:32 PM

Thought Barry was a part of the Kurt Thomas deal?

Groundhog · 02-20-2008, 06:37 PM

Artest to Spurs is a damn good trade on paper, but would he fit in?

SnDvls · 02-20-2008, 06:38 PM

wow I just read the Thomas deal on Yahoo after you all mentioned it here...guess the Artest deal is over.

Good news for most teams in the West as I think Artest on the Spurs would be better than Thomas there .

SnDvls · 02-20-2008, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Groundhog

Artest to Spurs is a damn good trade on paper, but would he fit in?

it would only be for the rest of this season and could have been like his initinal arrival to the Kings....all nice and happy

SnDvls · 02-20-2008, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SnDvls

so here's something funny about the Shaq deal.

The original game between Atlanta & Miami ended with a disputed foul on guess who? Shaq. So they are replaying the last whatever time to get a correct ending to that game prior to playing their new game on like Feb 18th. Well now Shaq won't even be there so does Marion get to "sub" into the old game even though he wasn't on the team when the original game took place?

I have to think this is a first where a player started a game with one team, but by the time it "officially" ended was on another.

just a funny little gem with this trade.

guess this got sorted out

The Hawks' March 8 make-up game, actually the final 51.9 seconds of a previous game, with Miami took a serious hit Wednesday when the Heat traded Shaquille O'Neal to Phoenix for Shawn Marion and Marcus Banks.

The Hawks' Dec. 19 victory over the Heat was vacated after the NBA upheld the Heat's protest of a scorekeeper's error. O'Neal fouled out of the contest with 51.9 seconds to play in overtime but had only five fouls when he was disqualified from the game, not six as the scorekeeper said.

Now that he's no longer a member of the Heat, he won't be around for the replay.

"As far as I'm concerned there's no reason to even bother with the replay," said Hawks captain and All-Star Joe Johnson. "If Shaq's not going to be here, what's the point?"

The Hawks won't be that lucky. Even without O'Neal, the replay will go on. But there are stipulations.

Neither Marion nor Banks will be allowed to play. But they will be allowed to play in the regularly scheduled game, which will begin after the replay is completed.

MrBug708 · 02-20-2008, 07:36 PM

Sonics certainly reaped the rewards for taking Kurt Thomas

SnDvls · 02-20-2008, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBug708

Sonics certainly reaped the rewards for taking Kurt Thomas

ya didn't the Suns send them a pick to take him off their hands too?

Arles · 02-20-2008, 07:46 PM

Suns sent them two future 1sts (including this season's) + Kurt for a TPE. The move ended up saving them $16 million, but it was a rough move from a pick standpoint. Thats said, the Suns would have just sold both picks for $3 million anyway. So saving $16 million is a better return than they normally get for picks in the late 20s.

Brian Swartz · 02-20-2008, 07:56 PM

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San Antonio is looking to land Ron Artest sending Brent Barry, Fabricio Oberto, and a draft pick (TBD).

If this happens does San Antonio become the favorite to win the West?

They are in a pretty darn good position already. I wonder if they'd really want to pull that string, as Artest isn't exactly their type of player in many ways(other than his defensive ability). Kurt Thomas would make a lot more sense, but I think SA has as good as anybody to come out of the West regardless. With Thomas, I'd say they would be the clear favorite.

Woulda helped if they signed Scola instead of shipping off to Houston for nothing basically though.

Big Fo · 02-20-2008, 08:09 PM

I'm looking forward to Shaq's first game here, hopefully he plays at least 15 minutes or so. He's always been one of my favorites but I know he's declined a bunch these last few years so I was very surprised Phoenix would make this trade. Maybe Shawn Marion isn't as good as I had thought plus the whole malcontent + soon to be free agent stuff. So I really want to see how this works out. Oh yeah and it's against the Lakers, who are much better this year and just made a big move themselves. It's only game this season I've actually thought "gotta see this" aside from the one or two times Orlando has been on national TV.

stevew · 02-20-2008, 10:31 PM

This has been entertaining thus far. Shaq as a #2 or 3 option might just work out.

Jas_lov · 02-20-2008, 10:33 PM

Interesting finish coming up for the Lakers and Suns. Shaq looked a little off in the first half, but looks better in the second. The Lakers don't really have anyone to guard him and doubling him leaves their other good players open. He's actually going to get close to 30 minutes so he's ready. I hope these two teams meet in the playoffs.

Atocep · 02-20-2008, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

This has been entertaining thus far. Shaq as a #2 or 3 option might just work out.

The fact that he's visibly putting forth effort is amazing.

Arles · 02-20-2008, 10:56 PM

Lakers win over Phoenix 130-124 in a very entertaining game. Kobe was amazing (16-25 on mostly jumpers) and Gasol looked good as well. Shaq played pretty good when you consider the guy hasn't played a game in almost 2 months. 15 points, 9 boards, 2 blocks and 3 assists (but 5 fouls) in 29 minutes. Amare went nuts again with 37 points, 15 boards (6 OREB) and 3 blocks.

Atleast we know one thing after this game - it doesn't seem like Shaq will be slowing down the Suns much on offense. Plus, for the first time in eons, the Suns actually won the rebounding battle by 13. The Lakers just were deadly from the field (almost 57%) and the Suns looked lost in the first half on their defensive rotations. Any rate, these two teams look like big players in the postseason given the talent on display in this game.

korme · 02-20-2008, 11:02 PM

So after 1 game I think I like the move for the Suns. Shaq seemed like he was playing 3-4 years younger, maybe it was just because it was the first game... I don't know, I liked it.

But damn Kobe is the best player in the NBA. Two good, good teams tonight.

BishopMVP · 02-21-2008, 12:43 AM

Baron Davis with a dirty shot to beat the Celtics at the buzzer 119-117. GS now 12 games over and tied for 8th in the West. Celtics 1st 2 losses against the West, have PHX on Friday night, should be another fun one.

edit - nope, GS still 1/2 game back in 9th.

MrBug708 · 02-21-2008, 12:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arles

Lakers win over Phoenix 130-124 in a very entertaining game. Kobe was amazing (16-25 on mostly jumpers) and Gasol looked good as well. Shaq played pretty good when you consider the guy hasn't played a game in almost 2 months. 15 points, 9 boards, 2 blocks and 3 assists (but 5 fouls) in 29 minutes. Amare went nuts again with 37 points, 15 boards (6 OREB) and 3 blocks.

Atleast we know one thing after this game - it doesn't seem like Shaq will be slowing down the Suns much on offense. Plus, for the first time in eons, the Suns actually won the rebounding battle by 13. The Lakers just were deadly from the field (almost 57%) and the Suns looked lost in the first half on their defensive rotations. Any rate, these two teams look like big players in the postseason given the talent on display in this game.

Shaq looked to be a presence in the interior but the Suns are actual worse on the perimeter now without the Matrix. Good game tonight but from what I could tell, the result was never really in doubt even though the Suns were the for the whole game

Neon_Chaos · 02-21-2008, 01:38 AM

It's been a great NBA Season for me... rooting for the Lakers and the Jazz.

Arles · 02-21-2008, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

Shaq looked to be a presence in the interior but the Suns are actual worse on the perimeter now without the Matrix. Good game tonight but from what I could tell, the result was never really in doubt even though the Suns were the for the whole game

But with Grant Hill, they could afford to trade some perimeter playfor a solid post presence. Plus, Amare has been playing out of his mind since Shaq came. He got 6 off rebounds last night, that's triple Marion's old rate. Plus, if the rumors are right, the Suns may land Quentin Ross by day's end which pretty much negates the main loss with Marion (per D).

MrBug708 · 02-21-2008, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Arles

But with Grant Hill, they could afford to trade some perimeter playfor a solid post presence. Plus, Amare has been playing out of his mind since Shaq came. He got 6 off rebounds last night, that's triple Marion's old rate. Plus, if the rumors are right, the Suns may land Quentin Ross by day's end which pretty much negates the main loss with Marion (per D).

I meant on the defensive side. The Lakers prtty much were able to look for any shot that they wanted in the game

Neon_Chaos · 02-21-2008, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

I meant on the defensive side. The Lakers prtty much were able to look for any shot that they wanted in the game

I think that says more about the Lakers' offense than the Suns' defense.

Arles · 02-21-2008, 01:28 PM

Looks like the Suns won't be making any moves. at this point, you have to look at the Lakers and Spurs as the overwhelming favorites in the West with the other teams (NO, Utah, Phoenix, Dallas, GS, Houston) all needing to catching lightning in a bottle to have a chance.

Arles · 02-21-2008, 02:18 PM

There's a rumor that Cleveland got Wally from Seattle for Marshall, Nuble and spare parts.

stevew · 02-21-2008, 02:27 PM

I hear the following
Hughes gooden marshall, newble
for Wallyz, Ben wallace, Joe Smith, duhon

More to that obviously.

stevew · 02-21-2008, 02:29 PM

Delonte West perhaps

Our team just got a lot uglier.

stevew · 02-21-2008, 02:34 PM

cavs get: ben wallace, wallys world, joe smith, delonte west
bulls get: hughes, gooden, ced simmons
soncis get: duhon, newble, donyell

per ric butcher

stevew · 02-21-2008, 02:37 PM

I guess I like it, but i'm not sure, and yes it definitely needs to be confirmed first.

rjolley · 02-21-2008, 02:39 PM

Can't remember the last time that so many of the trades that were rumored close to the trade deadline actually happened .

As for the Bulls move, I like it. I think Gooden can be a low post scorer and Noah can take Wallace's place. Hate getting Hughes, though. Do we really need another wing player?

Also, I like the Hornets acquiring Bonzi Wells. More offensive punch for the West leaders.

Eaglesfan27 · 02-21-2008, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

cavs get: ben wallace, wallys world, joe smith, delonte west
bulls get: hughes, gooden, ced simmons
soncis get: duhon, newble, donyell

per ric butcher

Depending upon how long those contracts are (if they didn't screw up their cap room for a few years from now), could be a good deal for the Cavs.

stevew · 02-21-2008, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Depending upon how long those contracts are (if they didn't screw up their cap room for a few years from now), could be a good deal for the Cavs.

Ads a couple million to the cavs payroll in 09-10, basically the only real cap impact. A bit more salary added onto 0809 too, nothing that can't be traded.

rjolley · 02-21-2008, 02:49 PM

According to Dave Aldridge's blog, Miami was shopping Marion...and the Cavs were listening, with Memphis being a trading partner. That would've been an interesting trade...

stevew · 02-21-2008, 02:49 PM

If the cavs aren't giving up picks, I like this quite a bit. Gooden's a dumb mofo, Hughes can't shoot. Donyell is done.

However there are some serious questions about Wallace, I think he's pretty well done too, but if he can rebound to form, he finally makes sense playing next to Z.

DeToxRox · 02-21-2008, 02:56 PM

Hate to break it to Cavs fans but at athis point Smith is better then Ben and Ben is a malcontent who finds a way to alienate all his coaches and a lot of teammates. Gooden was the best guy dealt in that trade. I see no way Ben does anything of note with the Cavss.

stevew · 02-21-2008, 03:16 PM

classic addition by subtraction for the Cavs. I dunno what it does for this season, but it definitely should pay dividends down the road.

02-19-2008, 10:39 PM	#551
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02-19-2008, 10:43 PM	#552
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	Rockets beat the Cavs again. Nine wins in a row, nine road wins in a row, and 13 wins out of our last 14 games (and 18 out of our last 21)... __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO Last edited by JeeberD : 02-19-2008 at 10:43 PM.

02-19-2008, 10:49 PM	#554
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02-19-2008, 10:54 PM	#555
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02-19-2008, 10:57 PM	#557
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	LOL __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

02-19-2008, 10:56 PM	#556
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Why would he retire now? Better to just stay in circulation

02-20-2008, 12:12 PM	#559
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	Will Avery Johnson hold a grudge? __________________ Come and see.

02-20-2008, 12:22 PM	#561
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	There's no way the trade would have gone through if it were pro-rated. This one barely passes muster as it is. And pro-rata on the amount would still be 80%, as every year starting jan 10, you can pro rate deals for the rest of the season by 1/180. 36/180 days have roughly passed at the point of the trade. I know it seems like it should be half a seasons pay for half a season, but it doesn't work like that.

02-20-2008, 12:35 PM	#562
rjolley College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Roseville, CA	Ah, the way I read it before was he'd get paid half his $4m contract. Thanks for the correction.

02-20-2008, 06:27 PM	#565
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	San Antonio is looking to land Ron Artest sending Brent Barry, Fabricio Oberto, and a draft pick (TBD). If this happens does San Antonio become the favorite to win the West?

02-20-2008, 06:32 PM	#566
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Another rumor was that the Spurs were looking to land Kurt Thomas

02-20-2008, 06:32 PM	#567
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	Thought Barry was a part of the Kurt Thomas deal?

02-20-2008, 06:37 PM	#568
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	Artest to Spurs is a damn good trade on paper, but would he fit in? __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

02-20-2008, 06:38 PM	#569
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	wow I just read the Thomas deal on Yahoo after you all mentioned it here...guess the Artest deal is over. Good news for most teams in the West as I think Artest on the Spurs would be better than Thomas there .

02-20-2008, 07:36 PM	#572
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Sonics certainly reaped the rewards for taking Kurt Thomas

02-20-2008, 07:46 PM	#574
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	Suns sent them two future 1sts (including this season's) + Kurt for a TPE. The move ended up saving them $16 million, but it was a rough move from a pick standpoint. Thats said, the Suns would have just sold both picks for $3 million anyway. So saving $16 million is a better return than they normally get for picks in the late 20s. __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com

02-20-2008, 08:09 PM	#576
Big Fo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2005	I'm looking forward to Shaq's first game here, hopefully he plays at least 15 minutes or so. He's always been one of my favorites but I know he's declined a bunch these last few years so I was very surprised Phoenix would make this trade. Maybe Shawn Marion isn't as good as I had thought plus the whole malcontent + soon to be free agent stuff. So I really want to see how this works out. Oh yeah and it's against the Lakers, who are much better this year and just made a big move themselves. It's only game this season I've actually thought "gotta see this" aside from the one or two times Orlando has been on national TV. Last edited by Big Fo : 02-20-2008 at 08:10 PM.

02-20-2008, 10:31 PM	#577
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	This has been entertaining thus far. Shaq as a #2 or 3 option might just work out.

02-20-2008, 10:33 PM	#578
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	Interesting finish coming up for the Lakers and Suns. Shaq looked a little off in the first half, but looks better in the second. The Lakers don't really have anyone to guard him and doubling him leaves their other good players open. He's actually going to get close to 30 minutes so he's ready. I hope these two teams meet in the playoffs.

02-20-2008, 10:56 PM	#580
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	Lakers win over Phoenix 130-124 in a very entertaining game. Kobe was amazing (16-25 on mostly jumpers) and Gasol looked good as well. Shaq played pretty good when you consider the guy hasn't played a game in almost 2 months. 15 points, 9 boards, 2 blocks and 3 assists (but 5 fouls) in 29 minutes. Amare went nuts again with 37 points, 15 boards (6 OREB) and 3 blocks. Atleast we know one thing after this game - it doesn't seem like Shaq will be slowing down the Suns much on offense. Plus, for the first time in eons, the Suns actually won the rebounding battle by 13. The Lakers just were deadly from the field (almost 57%) and the Suns looked lost in the first half on their defensive rotations. Any rate, these two teams look like big players in the postseason given the talent on display in this game. __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com Last edited by Arles : 02-20-2008 at 10:58 PM.

02-20-2008, 11:02 PM	#581
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	So after 1 game I think I like the move for the Suns. Shaq seemed like he was playing 3-4 years younger, maybe it was just because it was the first game... I don't know, I liked it. But damn Kobe is the best player in the NBA. Two good, good teams tonight.

02-21-2008, 12:43 AM	#582
BishopMVP Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Concord, MA/UMass	Baron Davis with a dirty shot to beat the Celtics at the buzzer 119-117. GS now 12 games over and tied for 8th in the West. Celtics 1st 2 losses against the West, have PHX on Friday night, should be another fun one. edit - nope, GS still 1/2 game back in 9th. Last edited by BishopMVP : 02-21-2008 at 12:50 AM.

02-21-2008, 01:38 AM	#584
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	It's been a great NBA Season for me... rooting for the Lakers and the Jazz. __________________ Come and see.

02-21-2008, 01:28 PM	#588
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	Looks like the Suns won't be making any moves. at this point, you have to look at the Lakers and Spurs as the overwhelming favorites in the West with the other teams (NO, Utah, Phoenix, Dallas, GS, Houston) all needing to catching lightning in a bottle to have a chance. __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com

02-21-2008, 02:18 PM	#589
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	There's a rumor that Cleveland got Wally from Seattle for Marshall, Nuble and spare parts. __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com

02-21-2008, 02:27 PM	#590
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	I hear the following Hughes gooden marshall, newble for Wallyz, Ben wallace, Joe Smith, duhon More to that obviously. Last edited by stevew : 02-21-2008 at 02:28 PM.

02-21-2008, 02:29 PM	#591
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Delonte West perhaps Our team just got a lot uglier.

02-21-2008, 02:34 PM	#592
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	cavs get: ben wallace, wallys world, joe smith, delonte west bulls get: hughes, gooden, ced simmons soncis get: duhon, newble, donyell per ric butcher Last edited by stevew : 02-21-2008 at 02:34 PM.

02-21-2008, 02:37 PM	#593
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	I guess I like it, but i'm not sure, and yes it definitely needs to be confirmed first.

02-21-2008, 02:39 PM	#594
rjolley College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Roseville, CA	Can't remember the last time that so many of the trades that were rumored close to the trade deadline actually happened . As for the Bulls move, I like it. I think Gooden can be a low post scorer and Noah can take Wallace's place. Hate getting Hughes, though. Do we really need another wing player? Also, I like the Hornets acquiring Bonzi Wells. More offensive punch for the West leaders. Last edited by rjolley : 02-21-2008 at 02:40 PM.

02-21-2008, 02:49 PM	#597
rjolley College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Roseville, CA	According to Dave Aldridge's blog, Miami was shopping Marion...and the Cavs were listening, with Memphis being a trading partner. That would've been an interesting trade...

02-21-2008, 02:49 PM	#598
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	If the cavs aren't giving up picks, I like this quite a bit. Gooden's a dumb mofo, Hughes can't shoot. Donyell is done. However there are some serious questions about Wallace, I think he's pretty well done too, but if he can rebound to form, he finally makes sense playing next to Z.

02-21-2008, 02:56 PM	#599
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Hate to break it to Cavs fans but at athis point Smith is better then Ben and Ben is a malcontent who finds a way to alienate all his coaches and a lot of teammates. Gooden was the best guy dealt in that trade. I see no way Ben does anything of note with the Cavss.

02-21-2008, 03:16 PM	#600
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	classic addition by subtraction for the Cavs. I dunno what it does for this season, but it definitely should pay dividends down the road.

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