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Normal transition of power. He meets with Biden, stays until 1/20, comes to inauguration, etc. | 5 | 5.56% | |
He doesn't fight the result, but resigns prior to the inauguration. | 2 | 2.22% | |
He fights the result but gives up shortly before the inauguration (let's define "shortly" as "some time after the EC meets on 12/14") | 30 | 33.33% | |
He fights the result all the way to January 20th. Has to be physically removed. | 12 | 13.33% | |
He fights the result for a short time, but gives up and resigns before the inauguration | 6 | 6.67% | |
He fights the result for a short time, but gives up an then we have a normal transition as per option 1. | 30 | 33.33% | |
Other. (You know you gotta specify this one.) | 5 | 5.56% | |
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08-12-2022, 05:19 PM | #5751 |
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So if he is found guilty of it all, life in prison, would that be grounds for impeaching the justices he put on the court?
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08-12-2022, 05:20 PM | #5752 | |
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08-12-2022, 05:30 PM | #5753 | |
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I can't say I agree with the entire premise of this argument at all. This would assume that there's a master plan, being controlled by a leadership group, capable of pulling this off, without any leaks, or anyone else finding out, or blabbing to a journalist. It's rather an argument convenience to explain something that feels better, rather than just the standard timing of all this playing out. I don't think the Dems have been sitting around planning to wait until within 100 days of the midterms or some magical time when trump might decide to jump in. It seems rather fanciful thinking.
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08-12-2022, 05:31 PM | #5754 | |
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08-12-2022, 05:41 PM | #5755 | |
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If it wasn't this, wouldn't it have been inflation? Or school choice or whatever? Like the action was always going to be the same, the excuse was just going to be different? SI
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08-12-2022, 05:43 PM | #5756 | |
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If trump shot someone on 5th ave in broad daylight, and was arrested, the narrative would be that the person deserved it and any sort of retribution is just a witch hunt to bring him down. That trump 'knew what he was doing, and it was to save the country' and quite literally, that's all they need right now to believe in that.
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08-12-2022, 05:43 PM | #5757 | |
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You know what? I'm going to go ahead and blame this whole week on PM This post was like the point in the movie where someone utters a line that tempts fate like "nothing can ruin a day like this" right before it rains or aliens attack SI
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08-12-2022, 05:47 PM | #5758 | |
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08-12-2022, 06:02 PM | #5759 | |
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Where did I say they shouldn't have done it? Read the damn thread, I have been slamming Garland for his inaction. I hope Trump rots in a cell the rest of his miserable life, along with the entire family. What I want and what I think are two very different things. My cynical opinion is this makes him stronger. I really hope I am wrong. |
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08-12-2022, 06:18 PM | #5760 |
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And I'm with Lathum. I agree it had to be done. And if anything, the timing proves it wasn't just a political move, because it was a horrible time politically for this to happen.
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08-12-2022, 06:59 PM | #5761 |
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Seeing they are going to dust all the documents for prints...
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08-12-2022, 07:36 PM | #5762 |
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If anyone touched those code-word classified docs without that level of clearance, they are in for some trouble.
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08-12-2022, 08:11 PM | #5763 |
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Cool. Like I said. I have a friend who is now NSA. He was a Navy CPO when that existed, and moved over to Computer Warfare as cryptic signaling changed. His first duty station was Naval Security Station D.C. He probably has knowledge, but he is a bit cagy in sharing too much because of the level of security clearance he has is very restrictive.
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08-12-2022, 08:27 PM | #5764 |
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I'm starting to think that the classified info was about Israeli nukes and he was sharing/selling/giving that info to the Saudis. I have absolutely zero things to back that statement up, but just a strong gut feel
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08-12-2022, 08:40 PM | #5765 |
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Sounds like their latest strategy is to claim he had a standing order to declassify any docs he took to a residence and that includes Mar A Lago.
we of course know that is BS and not how it works. One of the biggest problems through out his time is Trump thinks he should be able to do what he wants, or change any process he wants. Obviously he can't, but he frames these things with the assistance of FOX News that he can and his minions go along with it (see Pence certifying the election) |
08-12-2022, 08:42 PM | #5766 |
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The arguement I see on that is "so he didn't stamp and date it. Are you really going to send a former President to prison for a clerical error?
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08-12-2022, 09:05 PM | #5767 | |
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There does have to be some reason why the Saudis gave Jared 2 billion.
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08-12-2022, 09:09 PM | #5768 | |
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Nobody sees that if Trump can just think things are de-classified, then Biden can just think-classify them again. ANd even if they weren't classified, they still belong to the government and Trump can't just take them.
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08-12-2022, 09:11 PM | #5769 | |
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They've already moved the goalposts a dozen times and continue to follow the same playbook. "The Fbi didn't find anything" "OK the fbi took some napkins and stuff" "hey what about Obama and Hillary?" "if the fbi found anything it was probably planted" "OK they found documents but Trump declassified them" "OK so maybe they weren't officially declassified but it's not a big deal. Just a clerical error" Next is Trump was only trying to sell national secrets because he has to pay for attorneys due to the constant harassment he faces from Dems. |
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08-12-2022, 09:12 PM | #5770 |
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And, of course, Brietbart released the names of the FBI agents involved despite the official court released ones having them redacted, which means Brietbart got their copy from... who else?
Just a moment... SI
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08-12-2022, 09:59 PM | #5771 |
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That is exactly why they were given to Brietbart. They are trying to make it dangerous for investigators to do thier job. It is just like Lindsey Graham calling for them to release the affidavit. He knows they can't do that, because that will likely burn the informant that helped with getting the warrant. He is basically interfering with a federal investigation.
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08-12-2022, 10:04 PM | #5772 |
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Let's go army of the south, rise up again and show these commie bastards who is boss. It's time to make your move and show this country that you really, really, double secret dare you, mean it this time.
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08-12-2022, 10:36 PM | #5773 |
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More from the law and order party. This with Boebert's pedophile husband and police looking the other way.
Hear the audio from two 911 calls over confrontation with Lauren Boebert’s husband |
08-13-2022, 09:55 AM | #5774 | |
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08-13-2022, 10:04 AM | #5775 |
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Exactly what I would expect from father and son in that family. Just trash that epitomizes the whole MAGA cult.
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08-13-2022, 10:43 AM | #5776 |
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This is a feature, not a bug with these people. The poor boy was just riding his 4 wheeler and the whiny neighbor was giving him a hard time for being a kid.
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08-13-2022, 12:27 PM | #5777 |
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This is good.
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08-13-2022, 01:24 PM | #5778 |
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08-14-2022, 10:51 AM | #5779 |
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Things are heating up. Right now, a group of MAGA domestic terrorists has assembled outside the Phoenix FBI office.
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08-14-2022, 12:08 PM | #5780 |
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Let's say it again... terrorists. Say it all. Day. Long.
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08-14-2022, 02:05 PM | #5781 |
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Earlier today someone also drove into Barriers at the Capitol and then killed himself.
Meanwhile, Mr "what can i do to help": And his prospectice head of the CIA who also was assigned by him to be his representative to the national archives:
Fun fact: This is what said person said in June: and I’m gonna march down there and identify every single document they’ve blocked from being declassified Seems relevant.
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08-14-2022, 02:43 PM | #5782 |
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Hmmmmmm....
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08-14-2022, 03:51 PM | #5783 |
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Short explainer on the whole classified/declassified stuff from the NYT:
Should be free to read if i did it right
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08-14-2022, 04:52 PM | #5784 | |
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08-14-2022, 04:59 PM | #5785 | |
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08-14-2022, 06:48 PM | #5786 |
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If I saw the tweet correctly, Reality Winner did 5 years for having a single document under one of the same statutes they cited in the warrant.
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08-14-2022, 07:01 PM | #5787 |
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A couple of thoughts:
(1) Ben really needed to add a lot more nuanced options in the poll here :-) (2) I've said for a while that if Trump goes down, it will be slowly and then all at once. That basically if it came, there would be a tipping point over the course of a few days where all of his enablers would realize that the ship was sinking, and they'd abandon him en mass. I no longer think that this is the case. Enough GOP leaders have reacted to this by continuing to double down with Trump that I now think that he will never be abandoned by enough high level supporters for it to matter. If he does go down, it will be messy as hell, and it will go on long after he's gone. |
08-14-2022, 07:08 PM | #5788 |
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“stolen election” must poll exceptionally well for them to keep going back to that well
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08-14-2022, 08:12 PM | #5789 |
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There are people that will always believe the election was stolen. Some try to push the garbage "proof", but most I know just says it feels like it was. If it is just based on a feeling, how do you argue?
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08-14-2022, 09:00 PM | #5790 |
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That's just intellectually lazy. But you can't tell them that without shutting down any kind of discussion. It also doesn't work when you juxtapose them feeling things with them calling out others for being in their feelings. It's a position that refuses to lend itself to discussion or criticism. But I don't know any other way than to call it what it is.
For instance, how do you talk to someone who tells you with a straight face that Trump is the most honest person they've ever come across? These aren't the grifters, the people with an agenda, they're just regular people who for whatever reason have dug a trench so deep they can't see daylight anymore.
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08-14-2022, 09:08 PM | #5791 | |
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08-15-2022, 07:51 AM | #5792 |
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From this Sunday's CBS Sunday morning. In part of it, Ted Koppel asks a trolley full of older, white, Southerners what they think about the election and the media.
Fans return to Mayberry, a town that never was - CBS News I wonder to what extent a lot of these people just can't deal with things. They visit a representation of a town from a 60s tv show to escape to a place and time that may not have ever really existed. Then later on the trolley, you hear their take on news -- where they escape from outlets that tell them things they don't want to deal with to "safer" spots that don't. And no, no proof will change that. The only thing that will budge them, eventually, is death.
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A jillion psych studies have shown that people will simply refuse to believe that they were duped. You will never ever get people to admit "Yeah, I supported Trump, and that was a huge mistake, and I'm sorry."
The best approach, IMO, to try and reduce his support is to give those supporters another lie to believe in. Convince them that they never supported Trump in the first place. "Of course you were anti-Hillary. And anti-Biden. But you were never really pro-Trump. You were then--and always have been--a true conservative. So you've always been more of a [DeSantis, Pence, whoever] person. The Democrats want to make it out like you were some Trump worshiping rube. But that's just not true. That's another Democrat lie!" Honestly, if I were trying to reduce his support, that's the message I'd be sending out. I'd just flat out lie and say that he never really had lots of supporters and it is just another Democrat lie that he ever did. |
08-15-2022, 08:27 AM | #5794 |
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Sounds like what DeSantis is trying to do with FL education. "White people were never really racist."
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08-15-2022, 09:58 AM | #5795 |
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So if the documents found in Trump's pad were indeed declassified, can I file a FOIA request to view the documents?
I want to know what dirt we have on Macron.
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08-15-2022, 10:29 AM | #5796 | |
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08-15-2022, 11:58 AM | #5798 |
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Or, more simply, it is impossible to reason with the unreasonable.
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08-15-2022, 12:18 PM | #5799 |
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I thought for sure I had finally figured out the line between factual tweets and Onion-esque tweets when I saw someone tweet that Kari Lake boasted about Trump and DeSantis's BDE. And then I saw that it was true.
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