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09-25-2008, 02:16 PM | #5551 | |
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Neither Obama nor Biden, being realist politicians, have made the elimination of earmarks the central issue of their campaigns or, indeed, the experience of doing so their chief qualification for the job. On Day One Palin came out and not only said she was anti-earmarks (which was not true), but that she was anti-bridge (which was also not true). That's why this is a story. Obama & Biden likely voted for the Bridge in a deal to let some of their own earmarks go through. That's just the way it works, and most everyone knows this, even if we'd prefer it not to be the case. That's why no one cares about their votes. |
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09-25-2008, 02:16 PM | #5552 |
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wow - that is one ugly, pathetic answer to clip one.
really - Russia's right next door? I didn't realize. And there's so many Russians in Siberia. Uh huh. Trade missions? AKA you invite the Russian fisherman over for dinner. Canada? Really? You want to cite your experience talking with the governor of the Canadian north (isn't Canada's border-area with Alaska largely deserted of people?) as foreign policy experience? As friendly as we are with Canada i'd say that is at-best like talking to another American governor. That's a joke. |
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Hmmm, I tried to post the amendment that was voted on, but it was too long, and came back blank.
In any event, here is a link to the amendment that was voted on. Note, this wasn't a funding bill, but rather an amendment to an existing bill that was being debated. The "Bridge to Nowhere" was buried down in it. The amendment failed 82-15. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/...mp/~r109nK73qV
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Now that I think about it, I wonder if I, at age 35, have spent more time living and travelling in foreign countries than Sarah Palin has spent living and travelling in the lower 48 states....
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He didn't bother to vote. Senate Vote On Passage: H.R. 3058 [109th]: Transportation, Treasury, Housing and Urban... He's also been missing more votes than Obama all year: Sen. John McCain [R-AZ] - Voting Record - GovTrack.us Sen. Barack Obama [D-IL] - Voting Record - GovTrack.us
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09-25-2008, 02:36 PM | #5556 | |
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I think it's more that she's been told by her handlers to not go off the script. AT ALL. FOR NO REASON. So, if a question comes up that she hasn't been prepared for, she just fumbles it away. Either that or she's horrible at ad-libbing. SI
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09-25-2008, 02:42 PM | #5557 | |
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Taken from another board:
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09-25-2008, 02:50 PM | #5558 |
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I should add, in spite of my statistics, that I really don't think a Senator's absenteeism during a campaign season is really worth examining closely. It's something all sides do, and it is accepted and expected.
I provide those figures merely to demonstrate that, really, things have been going along all year this way. Whether or not you think it's a matter of crucial importance that two Senators who've hardly been present all year rearrange their schedules at the last minute on an issue that's been brewing for weeks is likely a matter of your political viewpoint. That said, while I'm linking to Senate records, and for completeness' sake: Joe Biden's voting record on matters of national import Sarah Palin's voting record on matters of national import |
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Ok, I admit- I LOL'd ^^
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09-25-2008, 02:58 PM | #5560 |
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My surprise with the Palin interview is her complete inability to express her policies and ideas on the questions being asked. I am pretty sure, even though I am voting for Obama, that I could answer most of those questions better just from watching fox news and listening to McCain's speeches. Its bad that I am screaming the talking point out before the candidate is.
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09-25-2008, 03:01 PM | #5561 | |
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I think she’s getting all of the prepared answer out for each question, but getting all the words in the proper order seems to be a challenge. It’s like she just blurts out each word individually as it comes to her. Palin’s inner-dialogue for the Rick Davis lobbying question: “Okay, there I think I got them all. Oh dear, the question isn’t over yet! Gosh, I’ll just say recused a few more times until we’re done.” |
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09-25-2008, 03:13 PM | #5562 | |
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Now I just dont see how this going to come across as good to the 'people' when the 'people' view this, mostly, as a Wall Street issue instead of Main Street issue. I just dont see how the spin will stick when Obama's comeback, "A President has to be able to handle more than one issue at a time." is soundbite material.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/candidate...ncial_meltdown Quote:
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09-25-2008, 03:14 PM | #5563 |
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RCP now has North Carolina as a toss up. The 3 most recent polls (basically from 9/17 until 9/23) have been tie, tie, Obama +2.
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09-25-2008, 03:20 PM | #5564 |
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There's a rumor that if McCain doesn't show for the debate, Obama will turn it into a nationally-televised town hall instead.
I'm going to guess this is a rumor being spread by the Obama campaign (or surrogates thereof) to goad McCain into showing up anyway. I still think we've missed a quality chance to move the VP debate earlier, just in time for the weekend! |
09-25-2008, 03:25 PM | #5565 |
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This has to be somewhat historic, to have a candidate saying they might not show up a day before hand, no?
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09-25-2008, 03:35 PM | #5566 |
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And here is a link to the full text of the second measure where Obama and Biden voted for the "Bridge to Nowhere". Again, it was a line item in an overall spending bill for the Departments of Transportation, Treasury, and Housing and Urban Development, the Judiciary, District of Columbia, and independent agencies for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2006. This passed by a vote of 93-1.
GovTrack: H.R. 3058 [109th]: Text of Legislation, Enrolled Bill
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09-25-2008, 03:36 PM | #5567 | |
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it'd be a shame if McCain didn't show up, but that would be somewhat amusing to see -- wonder if the networks would let him get away with it as a way of expressing their anger towards McCain? |
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09-25-2008, 03:37 PM | #5568 |
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thanks cartman! you're a fountain of knowledge eh fatboy?
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09-25-2008, 03:38 PM | #5569 |
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I'm not fat, I'm big boned.
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09-25-2008, 04:26 PM | #5571 |
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You know its bad for McCain when you have a full page without, Issi and JohninGA in here.
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09-25-2008, 04:39 PM | #5572 |
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They've suspended their posting during this time of crisis.
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I'm not exactly sure why the frequency of posts by certain people means McCain is doing badly. Talk about grasping for straws.
Well, if you want me to say something, how's about: Obama's $100K Englewood garden grant being probed :: CHICAGO SUN-TIMES :: The Watchdogs Quote:
May not end up with anything, but is not the best thing to come out now.
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Putting aside if Palin knows McCain's record on securities bills (she likely doesn't but I doubt Obama knows Biden's record on the same specific topic either), McCain has indeed voted for more regulation on certain bills: RedState: Stump The Veep Quote:
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Maybe I'll say one more thing to make ace happy.
According to CBS's Bob Schieffer: Quote:
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09-25-2008, 05:00 PM | #5576 | |
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This really didn't help, I still don't get it. And yes, I am being serious. Are you referring to the fact that he gave a speech at a FREE concert ? Last edited by mtolson : 09-25-2008 at 05:00 PM. |
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09-25-2008, 05:03 PM | #5577 | |
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The McCain campaign is paying people to ghost-write letters to the editor for local newspapers in swing states.
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09-25-2008, 05:13 PM | #5578 |
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To be fair, the ghostwriting letters thing is not something pioneered by the McCain campaign. Any campaign I've been involved with at any level has folks write letters and will ghostwrite letters for people. A lot of times it's just a practical thing, folks don't know how to write and want to support the campaign, but don't know how to do it. This makes it easier for them.
It's not a big deal nor some moral outrage. Hell, I've worked on non-partisan campaigns for referendums or ballot initiatives where letter ghostwriting occurred. Last edited by Young Drachma : 09-25-2008 at 05:13 PM. |
09-25-2008, 05:16 PM | #5579 | |
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Hell, I've gotten ghostwritten letters from the ACLU (yes, I'm a card carrying member) that I've been instructed to send (though I never have the rare times I got one).
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09-25-2008, 05:18 PM | #5580 |
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The "liberal media" needs to stop showing those videos of Palin's visiting preacher praying over her. It just reflects their inability to understand religious folks. It's not helping their cause and the issues are totally different than the whole Jeremiah Wright situation.
Anyone whose been to a non-denominational church or has some sort of experience with churches of a more pentecostal leanings make something like this seem not all that strange. So it's sorta frustrating because I imagine folks with more religious upbringing will see this and take it as a personal affront. Lucky for Obama, it probably won't hurt him, because the rankling over the economy should mute it. But seeing the video isn't helping anything for anybody, except maybe getting the base warmed up Last edited by Young Drachma : 09-25-2008 at 05:27 PM. |
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Ah, I didn't know the ghost-written letters thing was that common. I'd never heard of the practice and the article made me laugh.
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Well I hope they investigate the shit out of it and they find out the truth as to whether or not there is any wrongdoing here. And I also hope he cooperates fully with the investigation!
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You asked how I felt that Obama had gotten a 'Rock Star' aura and am doing my best to convey that. I really didnt think it was in doubt and that, for at least a while, through no fault of her own, Palin also had gotten the 'Rock Star' aura (even the Right's campaign had talked about how she had emboldened and reinvigorated the supporters)
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BTW, I just saw a Democratic ad that focused on McCain's Melanoma and I thought it was a hideous ad done in very poor taste. They had doctors on there talking about the dangers of Melanoma with closeup pictures of McCain's surgeries and I think it is a disgusting ad that shouldnt be aired. Not because it's bad that McCain had skin cancer but that a 527 is exploiting that! I hate 527's and that is a low frickin blow and doesnt deserve to be shown on TV. So ridiculous.
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Agreed. If you're going to hate on the 527's for the swiftboating, you have to hate this as well.. completely classless
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{shrug} If you checked the first, I dunno, 50-100 pages of this thread you'd see my appearances are pretty random & sporadic at best. As for more recently, what can I tell you, sometimes work interferes with posting more than it does with others. Lots easier to post when I'm waiting for stuff between phone calls than on days where I'm on the phone for the bulk of 8-12 hours straight.
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Saw this ad today in WV. A pretty odd advertisement overall, but it certainly caught my eye (whereas most political ads cannot get me to look up from the computer). |
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Holy shit, you are kidding me?! Sounds as bad as the Saxby Chambless ads against Max Cleland (if not worse)
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ISiddqui: YouTube - McCain is 72. He's had cancer 4 times. is the commercial in question. (just hunted it down) Even the Kos Kiddies are pretty much against this ad
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Sometimes I just don't understand the 527s... who do they think this is going to sway?!
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i wish all the 527's on both sides would STFU and go away
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The ones I read were.
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Yeah, I can't imagine anyone thinking that putting this on the air will win Obama any votes. The doctor sort of looks like he is smiling for fucks sake. Totally unnecessary.
And if you're going to release such a shitty commercial, at least show a few seconds of Sarah Palin sputtering through one of her few interviews to drive home the point that "yeah McCain could die soon and look what we'd be stuck with then." Classless intent with bad execution to boot. |
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Could someone tell Obama that the winner of the election doesn't take over immediately after the election is over...
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Ouch for Barney Frank:
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If the Republicans are seriously trying to state that they couldn't do anything they wanted from 2000-2006, then I don't know what else there is to say. It really didn't matter what a Democrat said, the Republicans pretty much got their way on anything they wanted. They were really close to getting the rules changed on debate in the Senate to almost eliminate any say from the minority party.
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Interesting comments by Obama:
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You see, that is just Obama playing the media like a Stradivarius. I'm just shocked he's been able to get away with it for so long. You'll see.
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