The Most Wonderful Time of the Year - Playoff Hockey - Page 11

ice4277 · 05-07-2003, 05:43 PM

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Originally posted by Cards4ever
Isn't the best thing for hockey is it to grow? If it turns more people on to hockey, isn't it good for teams in other areas to advance? Or, don't you care about making hockey more popular?

You could argue that, despite all the expansion and 'growth' of the league in the past decade, it is hardly more popular than it was before. Alienating your core fan base is not a good way to make things more popular IMO.

Karim · 05-07-2003, 06:58 PM

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Originally posted by bbor
...much like Americans don't want anyone screwing with their Sunday afternoon traditions or Monday nights for that matter. [/b]

Exactly. Hockey Night in Canada on Saturday night has been on TV since 1952, and radio since 1933, a tradition a bit longer than Monday Night Football. Yet, I'm sure football fans would be pissed if a network exec decided to uproot MNF for Monday afternoon.

Karim · 05-07-2003, 07:06 PM

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Originally posted by Cards4ever
I like teams because of how they play, or certain players, not where they come from. I also hate teams for the same reason. Do you remember when people cheered against the Jays because they were from Canada? Didn't you think that was ridiculous?

I didn't find it unreasonable or ridiculous. Quite the opposite in fact. There will always be a national rivalry.

If a Canadian-based NHL team with 20 Europeans was playing an American-based NHL team with 20 Canadians, I'd still be cheering for the Canadian-based team.

Karim · 05-07-2003, 07:13 PM

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Originally posted by Cards4ever
Isn't the best thing for hockey is it to grow? If it turns more people on to hockey, isn't it good for teams in other areas to advance? Or, don't you care about making hockey more popular? [/b]

The assumption is that the ABC scheduling of the playoffs is actually with an intention to "grow the sport". I think bbor has already demonstrated this isn't the case. Ratings are hurting all the way around because of these decisions and frankly ABC doesn't really care.

The shuffling off of the games to afternoons, delayed starts, simultaneous games followed by none the next night, are clear indications to me ABC is not interested in doing anything but lowering the price they'll pay for any additional broadcast rights.

bbor · 05-07-2003, 09:10 PM

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Originally posted by Karim
are clear indications to me ABC is not interested in doing anything but lowering the price they'll pay for any additional broadcast rights.

Great point...i never even thought of that

Maple Leafs · 05-07-2003, 09:16 PM

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Originally posted by Cards4ever
Isn't the best thing for hockey is it to grow?

I'll take what may be an extreme position: no, that wouldn't be the best thing. Given how much the league has "grown" in the last decade, and the disastrous results (watered down talent, terrible entertainment value, plummeting interest in multiple markets, spiralling salaries, etc), further growth may be the worst outcome.

I love hockey, and I can't imagine going without it for a season or more. But if that's what it takes to fix the NHL, I'm for it. If there's a lengthy lockout and four, six, even eight teams die because of it, I think that may not be a bad thing.

tucker342 · 05-07-2003, 09:37 PM

Minnesota up two to nothing with 5:00 left in the second period...

GO WILD!!!

bbor · 05-07-2003, 11:05 PM

ML...i think Cards was refering to the nhl growing in fan base.Not growing as in adding more teams.

BTW....I think the Nucks may be done.Minny has all the confidence.

Cards4ever · 05-07-2003, 11:29 PM

I was not referring to adding more teams, I was referring to the fan base.

I think that you guys think that hockey is exclusive to Canada and should revolve around that country, and anything I say isn't going to change your mind.

bbor · 05-08-2003, 01:10 AM

Svehla retired(again)

Let the Hatcher sweepstakes begin.If the Leafs lose out on him they are fucked.

Calle Johansson will be 2nd prize.

HB....how you feel bout the wings letting Robitaille go?

Honolulu_Blue · 05-08-2003, 03:14 AM

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Originally posted by bbor

HB....how you feel bout the wings letting Robitaille go?

Eh, I think he time here was done. He was a class act and was solid in 2002. The first half. From a little past the midway point of 2002, throughout the 2002 playoffs, and all of this year's regular season he did pretty much squat. 11 goals all year? 11? Lucky Luc is a goal scorer. If he's not scoring, he's really not adding much. That being said, he did have a decent playoffs. All... four.... games of it.

His playing time was also severely diminished. He was a 4th liner and, even at his advanced age, deserves more. Also, it's tough paying a 4th line winger $4 million a year. The Wings lost a lot of money because they didn't advance. Cuts needed to be made. They will also have to try and sign Fedorov to a big deal. So freeing up the cash will be benefit there as well.

The Wings have some decent talent that is younger and cheaper. Jason Williams will likely take his spot and would have to clear waivers next year. Devereaux may benefit from more ice time. In addition there are Grigrorenko and Hulder playing in Europe who could (very slim chance) play in the NHL next year.

Luc came in. Won his Cup. And it's time to move on. No hard feelings. Wish him the best of luck.

Honolulu_Blue · 05-08-2003, 03:15 AM

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Originally posted by bbor

BTW....I think the Nucks may be done.Minny has all the confidence.

Cloutier... crumbling... Mental soundness... breaking... up...

She can't take much more, Captain!

Cards4ever · 05-08-2003, 07:59 AM

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Originally posted by bbor
Svehla retired(again)

Let the Hatcher sweepstakes begin.If the Leafs lose out on him they are fucked.

Calle Johansson will be 2nd prize.

HB....how you feel bout the wings letting Robitaille go?

I don't think Hatcher is going anyplace.

Honolulu_Blue · 05-08-2003, 08:20 AM

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Originally posted by Cards4ever
I don't think Hatcher is going anyplace.

I agree. I would be hard pressed to see big Hatch go elsewhere. Dallas should have the financial means to keep the big palooka. He's their captain, has had a stellar year, and pretty intergral to their succcess.

Though, after the year he's had, he has every right to go out there and seek Bobby Holik type money. He's what every team wants, the big, mean, crease-clearing defenseman. If Dallas is financially strapped after the last few years of free agent madness, I guess it could be possible that another team may swoop in and offer Hatch the mother lode.

Cards4ever · 05-08-2003, 08:27 AM

He should go back to where he started his career!

Honolulu_Blue · 05-08-2003, 09:19 AM

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Originally posted by Cards4ever
He should go back to where he started his career!

I reckon that would be pee-wee hockey somewhere in Dearborn, Michigan. That's a suburb of Detroit. If we can accept Chelios, we can accept (almost) anyone. Hometown boy done good and all...

sachmo71 · 05-08-2003, 09:30 AM

Way to go Wild!

As far as the Hatcher situation, here is part of an interview he recently did with the Hockey Digest. I nicked this from Andrews Dallas Stars page:

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Hatcher interview

Stars captain Derian Hatcher, who is set to become an unrestricted free agent on July 1, is the interview subject in the latest issue of the the Hockey Digest. Here are a few highlights of what he had to say.

On whether he is ready to test the free agent market this summer

"I have mentally prepared myself for it. If things don't work out, I will move on somewhere else. I would like to have a contract in place right now, but obviously it's not there."

"Family is the biggest thing. Dallas is a great place to play and live. I have been here one third of my life and all four of my kids have been born here. None of us want to leave. But on the other hand we will have to be prepared to leave."

On whether he thinks he will command $10 million/year like Nicklas Lidstrom or Chris Pronger

"Probably not. To be honest I don't think I ever will be paid like them until I put up more offensive numbers. That's the way things are in the league. I will be paid handsomely."

On his style of play and his reputation as being a feared player

"I am a hard-hitting and physical player. I find through the years the more people talk about it, the more other players know you are on the ice. It actually helps you. If's definitely a good reputation to have. Players really know you are on the ice and they have their heads up a little more. Believe it or not, I know some players are probably afraid to go in the corner."

So I think he's pretty sure he's going to be in the market for $5-$6 million. He was making about $4 million per year (I think). Hopefully, he'll stay here, but if he does that could mean that Sydor and/or Matvichuk are going to be avaliable. I hope not, but them's the rumors.

Cards4ever · 05-08-2003, 09:45 AM

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Originally posted by Honolulu_Blue
I reckon that would be pee-wee hockey somewhere in Dearborn, Michigan. That's a suburb of Detroit. If we can accept Chelios, we can accept (almost) anyone. Hometown boy done good and all...

I was thinking along the lines of his pro career!

bbor · 05-08-2003, 12:22 PM

The Leafs are in such a defensive crunch i could see them ponying up 6-7 mil for Hatcher.

Maple Leafs · 05-08-2003, 12:38 PM

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Originally posted by bbor
The Leafs are in such a defensive crunch i could see them ponying up 6-7 mil for Hatcher.

I see him getting $8M. He's the only big name available at a position of need for many teams. The expiring CBA could hurt him, but I'd still expect a big payday.

Assuming of course he even makes it to free agency, which I doubt.

bbor · 05-08-2003, 12:58 PM

How you feel about Johansson ML?

Cards4ever · 05-08-2003, 01:28 PM

Hasn't Johansson ran the PP in Washington? Is that what you are looking for? He's getting up there, he's 36.

Maple Leafs · 05-08-2003, 02:40 PM

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Originally posted by bbor
How you feel about Johansson ML?

Calle Johansson? He's solid, but no more than a #3 or #4 guy. He could help the Leafs and would make a decent plan B or C, but he's not a guy who'll have a major impact. The Leafs need a #1 guy, and there aren't many available.

bbor · 05-08-2003, 02:56 PM

They need a 3/4 guy as well as a #1 guy IMHO

Mccabe-Kaberle-Berg Will all be back

Housley-gone
Lumme-Gone(?)
Wesley-????
Coliacovo-??
Jackman-7 or 8th at best

If wesley stays they will prolly just try and sign Johansson and try to get away with that.

If Wesley goes back to Carolina(which is most likely) i think they have no ther choice but to get Hatcher...or dangle Coliacovo out as trade bait for a top 2 D-man

Maple Leafs · 05-08-2003, 03:14 PM

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Originally posted by bbor
They need a 3/4 guy as well as a #1 guy IMHO

The problem right now is they have lots of #3/4 guys. Kaberle is probably a #2. McCabe is no better #3 after taking a step back this year. Wesley, if they resign him, is probably a #3/#4 guy at best. Berg is a #4/#5. Even Svehla if he comes back is a #2/#3.

Now that said, the 92-93 Leafs had one of the best defenses I've seen, and none of those guys were better than a #3. They were just a group of five rock-solid guys who knew what to do, so maybe you can get away without a #1 if everyone knows their job.

By the way, I haven't seen any reports confirming Svehla's retirement. Have you?

Cards4ever · 05-08-2003, 03:25 PM

Can anyone point me to a list of FA's?

bbor · 05-08-2003, 03:46 PM

Svehla announced his retirement from the NHL yesterday.But he is still gonna play in his hometown.

It was on most of the major sports stations yesterday.

Can't help ya with the FA list Cards...perhaps on NHL.com?

Cards4ever · 05-08-2003, 04:01 PM

Couldn't find one there.

I figure the Wild with all this playoff money should splash out for a scorer next year and I want to help shop!

tucker342 · 05-08-2003, 05:23 PM

The game last night was awesome! GO WILD!!!

sterlingice · 05-08-2003, 05:48 PM

It's starting to look more and more like Cloutier is French-Vancouverian for "sieve".

SI

tucker342 · 05-08-2003, 10:28 PM

1-0 Vancouver

8:30 left in the second period...

Cards4ever · 05-08-2003, 10:36 PM

2-1 late in the second. Interesting line change for Vancouver, moving Bertuzzi with the Sedin's

bbor · 05-08-2003, 10:44 PM

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Originally posted by sterlingice
It's starting to look more and more like Cloutier is French-Vancouverian for "sieve".

SI

ROTF!!

Cards4ever · 05-08-2003, 10:53 PM

1 period left to go, I'm thinking OT

ice4277 · 05-08-2003, 11:09 PM

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Originally posted by Cards4ever
1 period left to go, I'm thinking OT

That would be great, but do you think your nerves could handle it?

Cards4ever · 05-08-2003, 11:14 PM

2-2 about halfway through, Walz scores

Cards4ever · 05-08-2003, 11:28 PM

3-2 5:12 left!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hendrickson for Minnesota!

Travis · 05-08-2003, 11:29 PM

Holy Canuck collapse Batman! Never would have thought the Wild had a chance down 3 games to 1, then down 2-0 in Game 7, but these guys are just amazing.

Well that and Cloutier.......oh buddy, give Roman a call if your boys don't bail you out and come back to win this one.

bbor · 05-08-2003, 11:29 PM

What a brutal goal.Cloutier should be ashamed of himself.

Cards4ever · 05-08-2003, 11:31 PM

Bertuzzi just took a stupid penalty

Travis · 05-08-2003, 11:31 PM

Guess all the ability in the world doesn't stop you from being a cheap shot artist too. Oh Bertuzzi, the only thing stopping me from hoping the Canucks win the Cup.

bbor · 05-08-2003, 11:31 PM

Stupid penalty....Nucks are losing their composure now.

Travis · 05-08-2003, 11:34 PM

Done and done

Cards4ever · 05-08-2003, 11:34 PM

WOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

4-2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

bbor · 05-08-2003, 11:34 PM

Cards4ever · 05-08-2003, 11:36 PM

All of this with Gaborik not playing much, incredible

Cards4ever · 05-08-2003, 11:41 PM

Minnesota makes History!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

bbor · 05-08-2003, 11:42 PM

What a choke

Travis · 05-08-2003, 11:43 PM

Okay, now then, who wins the West? A tired Wild coming off back to back 3-1 series deficits, or a rested Ducks team with the hottest goalie in the playoffs, but little to no scoring?

Cards4ever · 05-08-2003, 11:49 PM

Who knows, should be interesting. Anaheim handled the Wild during the season, and who would bet against JSG right now.

05-07-2003, 11:05 PM	#508
bbor Pro Starter Join Date: May 2001 Location: toronto	ML...i think Cards was refering to the nhl growing in fan base.Not growing as in adding more teams. BTW....I think the Nucks may be done.Minny has all the confidence. __________________ Pumpy Tudors Now that I've cracked and made that admission, I wonder if I'm only a couple of steps away from wanting to tongue-kiss Jaromir Jagr and give Bobby Clarke a blowjob.

05-07-2003, 11:29 PM	#509
Cards4ever College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Eagan, MN	I was not referring to adding more teams, I was referring to the fan base. I think that you guys think that hockey is exclusive to Canada and should revolve around that country, and anything I say isn't going to change your mind. __________________ Cardinal Baseball & Gopher Hockey, what else do you need?

05-08-2003, 01:10 AM	#510
bbor Pro Starter Join Date: May 2001 Location: toronto	Svehla retired(again) Let the Hatcher sweepstakes begin.If the Leafs lose out on him they are fucked. Calle Johansson will be 2nd prize. HB....how you feel bout the wings letting Robitaille go? __________________ Pumpy Tudors Now that I've cracked and made that admission, I wonder if I'm only a couple of steps away from wanting to tongue-kiss Jaromir Jagr and give Bobby Clarke a blowjob.

05-08-2003, 08:27 AM	#515
Cards4ever College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Eagan, MN	He should go back to where he started his career! __________________ Cardinal Baseball & Gopher Hockey, what else do you need?

05-08-2003, 12:22 PM	#519
bbor Pro Starter Join Date: May 2001 Location: toronto	The Leafs are in such a defensive crunch i could see them ponying up 6-7 mil for Hatcher. __________________ Pumpy Tudors Now that I've cracked and made that admission, I wonder if I'm only a couple of steps away from wanting to tongue-kiss Jaromir Jagr and give Bobby Clarke a blowjob.

05-07-2003, 09:37 PM	#507
tucker342 Pro Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Iowa City, IA	Minnesota up two to nothing with 5:00 left in the second period... GO WILD!!!

05-08-2003, 12:58 PM	#521
bbor Pro Starter Join Date: May 2001 Location: toronto	How you feel about Johansson ML? __________________ Pumpy Tudors Now that I've cracked and made that admission, I wonder if I'm only a couple of steps away from wanting to tongue-kiss Jaromir Jagr and give Bobby Clarke a blowjob.

05-08-2003, 01:28 PM	#522
Cards4ever College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Eagan, MN	Hasn't Johansson ran the PP in Washington? Is that what you are looking for? He's getting up there, he's 36. __________________ Cardinal Baseball & Gopher Hockey, what else do you need?

05-08-2003, 02:56 PM	#524
bbor Pro Starter Join Date: May 2001 Location: toronto	They need a 3/4 guy as well as a #1 guy IMHO Mccabe-Kaberle-Berg Will all be back Housley-gone Lumme-Gone(?) Wesley-???? Coliacovo-?? Jackman-7 or 8th at best If wesley stays they will prolly just try and sign Johansson and try to get away with that. If Wesley goes back to Carolina(which is most likely) i think they have no ther choice but to get Hatcher...or dangle Coliacovo out as trade bait for a top 2 D-man __________________ Pumpy Tudors Now that I've cracked and made that admission, I wonder if I'm only a couple of steps away from wanting to tongue-kiss Jaromir Jagr and give Bobby Clarke a blowjob.

05-08-2003, 03:25 PM	#526
Cards4ever College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Eagan, MN	Can anyone point me to a list of FA's? __________________ Cardinal Baseball & Gopher Hockey, what else do you need?

05-08-2003, 03:46 PM	#527
bbor Pro Starter Join Date: May 2001 Location: toronto	Svehla announced his retirement from the NHL yesterday.But he is still gonna play in his hometown. It was on most of the major sports stations yesterday. Can't help ya with the FA list Cards...perhaps on NHL.com? __________________ Pumpy Tudors Now that I've cracked and made that admission, I wonder if I'm only a couple of steps away from wanting to tongue-kiss Jaromir Jagr and give Bobby Clarke a blowjob.

05-08-2003, 04:01 PM	#528
Cards4ever College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Eagan, MN	Couldn't find one there. I figure the Wild with all this playoff money should splash out for a scorer next year and I want to help shop! __________________ Cardinal Baseball & Gopher Hockey, what else do you need?

05-08-2003, 05:23 PM	#529
tucker342 Pro Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Iowa City, IA	The game last night was awesome! GO WILD!!!

05-08-2003, 05:48 PM	#530
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	It's starting to look more and more like Cloutier is French-Vancouverian for "sieve". SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!" Last edited by sterlingice : 05-08-2003 at 05:48 PM.

05-08-2003, 10:28 PM	#531
tucker342 Pro Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Iowa City, IA	1-0 Vancouver 8:30 left in the second period...

05-08-2003, 10:36 PM	#532
Cards4ever College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Eagan, MN	2-1 late in the second. Interesting line change for Vancouver, moving Bertuzzi with the Sedin's __________________ Cardinal Baseball & Gopher Hockey, what else do you need?

05-08-2003, 10:53 PM	#534
Cards4ever College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Eagan, MN	1 period left to go, I'm thinking OT __________________ Cardinal Baseball & Gopher Hockey, what else do you need?

05-08-2003, 11:14 PM	#536
Cards4ever College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Eagan, MN	2-2 about halfway through, Walz scores __________________ Cardinal Baseball & Gopher Hockey, what else do you need?

05-08-2003, 11:28 PM	#537
Cards4ever College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Eagan, MN	3-2 5:12 left!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hendrickson for Minnesota! __________________ Cardinal Baseball & Gopher Hockey, what else do you need?

05-08-2003, 11:29 PM	#538
Travis Pro Rookie Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Canada eh	Holy Canuck collapse Batman! Never would have thought the Wild had a chance down 3 games to 1, then down 2-0 in Game 7, but these guys are just amazing. Well that and Cloutier.......oh buddy, give Roman a call if your boys don't bail you out and come back to win this one. __________________ "I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it." - Rogers Hornsby

05-08-2003, 11:29 PM	#539
bbor Pro Starter Join Date: May 2001 Location: toronto	What a brutal goal.Cloutier should be ashamed of himself. __________________ Pumpy Tudors Now that I've cracked and made that admission, I wonder if I'm only a couple of steps away from wanting to tongue-kiss Jaromir Jagr and give Bobby Clarke a blowjob.

05-08-2003, 11:31 PM	#540
Cards4ever College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Eagan, MN	Bertuzzi just took a stupid penalty __________________ Cardinal Baseball & Gopher Hockey, what else do you need?

05-08-2003, 11:31 PM	#541
Travis Pro Rookie Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Canada eh	Guess all the ability in the world doesn't stop you from being a cheap shot artist too. Oh Bertuzzi, the only thing stopping me from hoping the Canucks win the Cup. __________________ "I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it." - Rogers Hornsby

05-08-2003, 11:31 PM	#542
bbor Pro Starter Join Date: May 2001 Location: toronto	Stupid penalty....Nucks are losing their composure now. __________________ Pumpy Tudors Now that I've cracked and made that admission, I wonder if I'm only a couple of steps away from wanting to tongue-kiss Jaromir Jagr and give Bobby Clarke a blowjob.

05-08-2003, 11:34 PM	#543
Travis Pro Rookie Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Canada eh	Done and done __________________ "I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it." - Rogers Hornsby

05-08-2003, 11:34 PM	#544
Cards4ever College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Eagan, MN	WOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO 4-2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! __________________ Cardinal Baseball & Gopher Hockey, what else do you need?

05-08-2003, 11:34 PM	#545
bbor Pro Starter Join Date: May 2001 Location: toronto	over __________________ Pumpy Tudors Now that I've cracked and made that admission, I wonder if I'm only a couple of steps away from wanting to tongue-kiss Jaromir Jagr and give Bobby Clarke a blowjob.

05-08-2003, 11:36 PM	#546
Cards4ever College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Eagan, MN	All of this with Gaborik not playing much, incredible __________________ Cardinal Baseball & Gopher Hockey, what else do you need?

05-08-2003, 11:41 PM	#547
Cards4ever College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Eagan, MN	Minnesota makes History!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! __________________ Cardinal Baseball & Gopher Hockey, what else do you need?

05-08-2003, 11:42 PM	#548
bbor Pro Starter Join Date: May 2001 Location: toronto	What a choke __________________ Pumpy Tudors Now that I've cracked and made that admission, I wonder if I'm only a couple of steps away from wanting to tongue-kiss Jaromir Jagr and give Bobby Clarke a blowjob.

05-08-2003, 11:43 PM	#549
Travis Pro Rookie Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Canada eh	Okay, now then, who wins the West? A tired Wild coming off back to back 3-1 series deficits, or a rested Ducks team with the hottest goalie in the playoffs, but little to no scoring? __________________ "I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it." - Rogers Hornsby

05-08-2003, 11:49 PM	#550
Cards4ever College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Eagan, MN	Who knows, should be interesting. Anaheim handled the Wild during the season, and who would bet against JSG right now. __________________ Cardinal Baseball & Gopher Hockey, what else do you need?

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