Werewolf LVII: Cathedral (GAME OVER!)

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by RendeR

I COULD have played a magical melody which would double everyone's output for a given day and protected that days work from sabotage.

But thats wasted now with at least 5 votes on me that I can see.

Render, if you are telling the truth then IMO you made poor usse of this ability.

Day 1 would have been the perfect time to come forward with this while we had the full 16 players actions to double up on. We could have made the most of it then.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by RendeR

I'm counting 6 votes against me, and at most 1 anywhere else.

Call it BK, stop wasting everyone's time.


Its good thing I'm running the next game and not playing.I need a break. Its getting real tiring being accused for nothing and lynched because yer a mob of sheep and not thinking for yourselves.

Most of us have been in that spot and can feel your pain

[st.cronin]

Absolutely agree with Lathum, why wouldn't you use that on day 1?

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Render, if you are telling the truth then IMO you made poor usse of this ability.

Day 1 would have been the perfect time to come forward with this while we had the full 16 players actions to double up on. We could have made the most of it then.

And if not Day One, why not Day Two when we have four different areas to work on?

[RendeR]

Because I wanted to live THROUGH day 1 you fools. WTF? reveal on day 1 that I can single handedly protect a massive amount or work?

Better to let day 1 and 2 go by, get to the point of near completion and ENSURE completion by playing my tune when we only have to do a smaller bit to finish and avoid sabotage altogether?


day 1 my ass. That would have been suicide.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

And if not Day One, why not Day Two when we have four different areas to work on?

well A) its a NIHGT ation so If I intended to use it tonight I would have. we're still not THAT close to ifnishing tonight, day 3 we COULD finish it and then I'd have used it.

[RendeR]

at this point its too farking late anyway, you have blown yet another vote on a villager. based on...what? someone's gut instinct on a play 9 out of 10 of you would have or HAVE done in the past.

good grief.

[RendeR]

If you had someone else to vote for besides me, who would it be? I'll toss my two votes there and at least give you the OPTION of not lynching another villager.

[Abe Sargent]

So you could have used it onNight One for Day Two, but not one Day One at all? I still don;t get how that would have killed you. You'd have used your power, why would teh demons go after you then at all?

[RendeR]

If I reveal on day 1, they kill me night 1, ow is that confusing? If I reveal day 2..umm DUH its day 2?

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Most of us have been in that spot and can feel your pain

I used a "You Guys Are Sheep" speech once when I was a wolf after the votes wer cast,, just to increase teh tension.

[RendeR]

doesn't matter, you've impregnated another pooch this game.

deadline in.......

[st.cronin]

My choice would be Mr. Wednesday or Schmidty, not sure which.

Heck, I'll lead: UNVOTE RENDER
VOTE MR. WEDNESDAY

Seemed to be subtly trying to discourage us from working on the cathedral earlier...

[Lathum]

I find it best to not take certain abilities to the grave

[Lathum]

and why not use the ability right now to help us?

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

I used a "You Guys Are Sheep" speech once when I was a wolf after the votes wer cast,, just to increase teh tension.

Of course you did, and someone use a speech I typed out a couple games ago a year before that too.


We've had HOW many games of WW so far? everything's been done at least once, your argument is utterly meaningless.

[Abe Sargent]

I agree. If IU had this power, no way I'd have not used it as soon as possible, Night One. There's only so many days you need to build the Cathedral, there's no incestive to wait.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Lathum

and why not use the ability right now to help us?

And HOW dear, but obviously inept lathum, should I do that? if you LYNCH me I can't DO a night action, now can I?

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

I agree. If IU had this power, no way I'd have not used it as soon as possible, Night One. There's only so many days you need to build the Cathedral, there's no incestive to wait.

READ MY POSTS.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Of course you did, and someone use a speech I typed out a couple games ago a year before that too.


We've had HOW many games of WW so far? everything's been done at least once, your argument is utterly meaningless.

That wasn;t an argument, that was a fun little comment. My argument was just above this post.

[oliegirl]

I'd be curious to know if RendeR's so called ability to double work on the Cathedral is a one time thing or not. If so, why wouldn't he use it to prove himself in the CoT and then count on the BG (which the rules says does exist in this game) to protect him?

Also, someone earlier mentioned something about the BG stopping a lynch...I never played a game where anyone could change the results of the lynch, only the night action. Am I wrong there? I'm trying to post quickly, I'll go back and find the post I'm referring to and quote it...maybe there is something there worth investigating....

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by RendeR

And HOW dear, but obviously inept lathum, should I do that? if you LYNCH me I can't DO a night action, now can I?

seems odd it's a night action

and I don't think I am inept

[Barkeep49]

We're past deadline. Counting stuff up now.

[RendeR]

Thanks for the attempt Cronin, but too little far too fracking late.

This game is becoming far too "Good ol Boys" lately.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by oliegirl

I'd be curious to know if RendeR's so called ability to double work on the Cathedral is a one time thing or not. If so, why wouldn't he use it to prove himself in the CoT and then count on the BG (which the rules says does exist in this game) to protect him?

Also, someone earlier mentioned something about the BG stopping a lynch...I never played a game where anyone could change the results of the lynch, only the night action. Am I wrong there? I'm trying to post quickly, I'll go back and find the post I'm referring to and quote it...maybe there is something there worth investigating....

They were talking about the Duke earlier Olie, and I don't assume the BG is going to protect me at ANY time, its safer that way. Unless of course I actually start thikning I won;t be lynched before day 3 every bloody game.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Thanks for the attempt Cronin, but too little far too fracking late.

This game is becoming far too "Good ol Boys" lately.

Strongly disagree. Those of us who play, play to win. We can talk about this out of game if you want.

[RendeR]

I have to close up the offie and go home, I'll pop on for the write up later.

Night.

[oliegirl]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

Any patterns that stick out about the vote?

Anybody that intentionally created ties later in the voting?

I didn't move my vote after DT's reveal, but I didn't see an actual reveal until it was much too late to do anything, and there were several others who simply felt that it wasn't likely to accomplish much if we shifted (although there is the possibility for a bodyguard role, which could have kept him alive...).

Here is the post I was referring to...Mr Wednesday. He was explaining his vote and saying the reason he didn't move off DT was b/c it was doubtful his vote would change the outcome, and b/c there was a chance the bg would protect him. Anyone else think this is suspicious or am I grasping at straws here?

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Strongly disagree. Those of us who play, play to win. We can talk about this out of game if you want.

That may be the case and the intent, but it sure seems like the same groups are the ones controling every move and every lynch every night. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm not feeling it right now.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by oliegirl

Here is the post I was referring to...Mr Wednesday. He was explaining his vote and saying the reason he didn't move off DT was b/c it was doubtful his vote would change the outcome, and b/c there was a chance the bg would protect him. Anyone else think this is suspicious or am I grasping at straws here?

Lathum pointed out that if DT was the seer and we didn;t vote him off, he'd have been night killed, and I beleive MrW is pointing out that a BG might have prevented that.

[Barkeep49]

Render has the most votes
He's thrown into the moats
The music has come to a haltist
But that's ok cause he was the cultist

You are the Musician.

You have traveled near and far performing your craft. And you have seen how evil humans can be. In fact you might have even caused some of that evil along the way. But that evil is the key to power. You are the cultist.

As the cultist you may choose two players each night to scan and you will discover if they are a demon. You also posses a celestial knife. This knife will kill angels, but will cause no harm to any villagers and will in fact cause you to be discovered should you attempt to use it. Finally, on three separate days you may do purposefully poor work on an area you work on. If the demons sabotage that area that night it will cause twice as much damage.

While you are considered a villager for purposes of determining if the demons are equal to villagers, you win the same victory as the demons if you are alive at the end of the game.

Artwork – Chief Rum (345), cronin (355), olie (378), mr. w (405), schmidty (464)
Carpentry – path (361), Anxiety (375), alan t(376), purdue (380), neon (393), Purdue (471), Pass (498)
Windows – saldana (368)
Roof – Lathum (385), schmidty (463),

Render –Lathum (487), saldana (490), anxiety (493), neon (494), olie (496)
Cronin – alan t (376)
Schmidty – path (449)
Pass – Mr. W (453)
Mr. W -- cronin (513)


Unusued actions: Chief Rum 1, RendeR (2)

Left to do:

Walls - Finished
Roof - 1 unit of work
Windows - Finished
Artwork - 2 units of work
Carpentry - 3 units of work

[saldana]

there is no logical reason that if you have the role that render claims, not to have used it last night, and then came out and told everyone about it today...the amount of work we could have accomplished would have finished the cathedral, and if it had been doubled, would have established render as the center of the COT....as far as that making you a target for the wolves, that would be a poor play at this point...you would have expended your usefullness...wht would they try and kill you when there are still so many potentially better targets?

[saldana]

bk....do we get to see his role description?

[st.cronin]

Render was the cultist, good deal.

[oliegirl]

Yes! Go Villagers!!!!

BK - are you going to post him PM like you did with the others so we know what his other "powers" were?

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by saldana

bk....do we get to see his role description?

Yeah I forgot to put that in initially. I've edited it in.

[Abe Sargent]

Nice.

[Neon_Chaos]

We are one step closer to vanquishing evil! But we must hold steadfast and vigilant... the forces of darkness surround us still.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Yeah I forgot to put that in initially. I've edited it in.

wow...that role had the potential to do ALOT for team demons

[Lathum]

I knew something stunk

GO GOOD OLD BOYS!!!!

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I knew something stunk

GO GOOD OLD BOYS!!!!

lol

[Abe Sargent]

I'd like to point out to RendeR that, in the future, your fake reveals need to have less holes in them.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by saldana

wow...that role had the potential to do ALOT for team demons

QFT

[Passacaglia]

Good job, peeps.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

I'd like to point out to RendeR that, in the future, your fake reveals need to have less holes in them.

Well technicaly there were no real holes in them, you just saw holes because you doubted the reveal altogether.

Lathum sniffed at my little question early on day one to try and snif out some clues to where angels were hiding. Unfortunately.

The rest was basically pure bunk and me being frustrated for having gotten caught so early.

Adios, I'll see you all next time on MY turf....MUHAhahahahahahaha

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Lathum sniffed at my little question early on day one to try and snif out some clues to where angels were hiding. Unfortunately.

huh?

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Lathum

huh?

+1, that puzzled the heck out of me too.

[Poli]

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Lathum

huh?

Your entire reason for voting for me at all, when I made light of the public roles, I was trying to be inconspicuous and probe a bit for possible angel activity.

You jumped on it like a rabid dog on a day old piece of meat.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Your entire reason for voting for me at all, when I made light of the public roles, I was trying to be inconspicuous and probe a bit for possible angel activity.

You jumped on it like a rabid dog on a day old piece of meat.

lets save this discussion for after the game