FOFC BBCF initial league info - Page 11

Anthony · 12-10-2005, 09:46 PM

i'm in favor of balancing out the prestige levels. i don't see a reason why a certain group of people get to have the best teams and the rest get the shit teams. i don't like built-in advantages, gives me less to makes excuses about when i fail.

i'm glad this game can be customizable like this. i love fully editable games.

Joe · 12-10-2005, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bonegavel

Why not start all teams out to be the same prestige (if possible) and let each coach nurture/destroy his school's prestige?

Good idea, but I'm sure it won't fly with a lot of the "good teams". Then again, teams with low prestige likely outnumber teams with high prestige, so let's vote on it.

vex · 12-10-2005, 09:48 PM

Well, the commish does have Texas, so he might disagree with this idea, as do my Ducks

WVUFAN · 12-10-2005, 09:48 PM

Sounds fair to me as well.

Celeval · 12-10-2005, 09:51 PM

Anthony · 12-10-2005, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by George W Bush

Good idea, but I'm sure it won't fly with a lot of the "good teams". Then again, teams with low prestige likely outnumber teams with high prestige, so let's vote on it.

i think this is the best way, or else people would just leave the league to join another league where they could be a higher prestige team. i certainly don't want to start off with a shit team. i probably should have just claimed a team when i first saw this thread just to reserve a spot.

you either randomly assign teams with a lottery type system, or everyone starts out the same.

Johnny93g · 12-10-2005, 09:53 PM

Sense im Notre Dame, i have a high prestige
That being said, i dont like the idea of changing the prestige levels. There's so many owners already, im sure many will drop out before the game starts, and even after a year, so the chance to move up to a better team is there.....If Idaho has a higher prestige then Michigan, i think thats a problem...
just my 2 cents

duckman · 12-10-2005, 09:55 PM

Personally, I would like to see the prestige ratings untouched. If we have each team on equal footing, then why even use the real college names? We should just make up different colleges and set up conferences, etc. instead of using the real life counterparts. Just seems like a waste of time to me.

If that wasn't an option, I wouldn't mind if we gave each team a random prestige rating as to give it a different feel than the real life college. Have cartman (even better would be a some kind of program that could randomly spit out a number between 0-100) pull the ratings out of a hat and assign them that prestige rating.

Joe · 12-10-2005, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny93g

Sense im Notre Dame, i have a high prestige
That being said, i dont like the idea of changing the prestige levels. There's so many owners already, im sure many will drop out before the game starts, and even after a year, so the chance to move up to a better team is there.....If Idaho has a higher prestige then Michigan, i think thats a problem...
just my 2 cents

What's the problem with that? If everyone starts off with the same prestige level, and Idaho builds up a higher prestige than Michigan because their coach is doing a better job, then they deserve it.

Johnny93g · 12-10-2005, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by George W Bush

What's the problem with that? If everyone starts off with the same prestige level, and Idaho builds up a higher prestige than Michigan because their coach is doing a better job, then they deserve it.

Yes, i know it is fair, i just prefer realism i guess. It's hard to argue against it, though i'm trying.

duckman · 12-10-2005, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

Well, I can state for a fact that there will not be any manual manipulation of the prestige levels. They will be whatever they are when the initial file is created.

If HA did have Miami, he never would have brought this idea up.

This makes me a happy panda.

cartman · 12-10-2005, 10:02 PM

Well, I can state for a fact that there will not be any manual manipulation of the prestige levels. They will be whatever they are when the initial file is created.

If HA did have Miami, he never would have brought this idea up.

Johnny93g · 12-10-2005, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by duckman

This makes me a happy panda.

Ditto

Joe · 12-10-2005, 10:08 PM

well thats good news for the people who are bad at these type of games and got a good team

sovereignstar · 12-10-2005, 10:09 PM

Cartman is surely a take charge kind of guy, isn't he?

WVUFAN · 12-10-2005, 10:14 PM

If you picked a team BECAUSE it had a higher prestige, one could make the argument that you sorta deserve to be taken a peg down -- sorta like playing Madden as the Patriots not because you like the Pats, but because they're the best team in the game.

Same with this. You pick a team because you like the team, not because they're automatically gonna win the Big 10, or you pick a team for the challenge. Either way, an equality of prestige becomes more of a test of coach/GM skill rather than the fact that you had a good team to begin with. Again, in my opinion, even people with good teams shouldn't have an issue with it, because despite the prestige, you'll still get to play with your favorite team.

If you picked a team because they were the best "team" on the list, you're a munchkin. (RPG term for a powergamer)

Either way, looking forward to playing in the league! Go Cincinatti! (See, I spelled it correctly this time!)

- Eric

EDIT: After I wrote this, I see that Cartman made his ruling. I think some of my points are still valid, so I didn't delete everything. :-)

Havok · 12-10-2005, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

Well, I can state for a fact that there will not be any manual manipulation of the prestige levels. They will be whatever they are when the initial file is created.

If HA did have Miami, he never would have brought this idea up.

ehhh... count me out. There's no reason not to make everyone's prestige level the same. It would add alot more fun to the game and truly reward the better coach's.

Johnny93g · 12-10-2005, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by WVUFAN

If you picked a team BECAUSE it had a higher prestige, one could make the argument that you sorta deserve to be taken a peg down -- sorta like playing Madden as the Patriots not because you like the Pats, but because they're the best team in the game.

Same with this. You pick a team because you like the team, not because they're automatically gonna win the Big 10, or you pick a team for the challenge. Either way, an equality of prestige becomes more of a test of coach/GM skill rather than the fact that you had a good team to begin with. Again, in my opinion, even people with good teams shouldn't have an issue with it, because despite the prestige, you'll still get to play with your favorite team.

If you picked a team because they were the best "team" on the list, you're a munchkin. (RPG term for a powergamer)

Either way, looking forward to playing in the league! Go Cincinatti! (See, I spelled it correctly this time!)

- Eric

My only question would be what would the initial Prestige be set at? If it's low, would 4/5 star players simply not sign with anyone, or would they pick from the team that did the most effective recruiting?

I picked Notre Dame cuz their my favourite team. Without the prestige the Irish have, then they basically are Joe Blow University. Not as fun to me

Havok · 12-10-2005, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny93g

I picked Notre Dame cuz their my favourite team. Without the prestige the Irish have, then they basically are Joe Blow University. Not as fun to me

That makes no sense.... they're still Notre Dame.

i picked Miami, but since i don't automatically get every 5 star recruit on the planet it's not as fun

cartman · 12-10-2005, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by WVUFAN

If you picked a team BECAUSE it had a higher prestige, one could make the argument that you sorta deserve to be taken a peg down -- sorta like playing Madden as the Patriots not because you like the Pats, but because they're the best team in the game.

Same with this. You pick a team because you like the team, not because they're automatically gonna win the Big 10, or you pick a team for the challenge. Either way, an equality of prestige becomes more of a test of coach/GM skill rather than the fact that you had a good team to begin with. Again, in my opinion, even people with good teams shouldn't have an issue with it, because despite the prestige, you'll still get to play with your favorite team.

If you picked a team because they were the best "team" on the list, you're a munchkin. (RPG term for a powergamer)

Either way, looking forward to playing in the league! Go Cincinatti! (See, I spelled it correctly this time!)

- Eric

My only question would be what would the initial Prestige be set at? If it's low, would 4/5 star players simply not sign with anyone, or would they pick from the team that did the most effective recruiting?

Prestige is not a static number. It will change over time. So today's "power" teams will have work to keep their teams at the high level, it won't be automatic. And there will be "bottom feeder" teams that will develop over time. There's also more that goes into the equation than just prestige, such as finances, coaching staff, university staff, etc.

Hopefully in the long run BBCF replicates this as well as FBCB has done.

Joe · 12-10-2005, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Havok

ehhh... count me out. There's no reason not to make everyone's prestige level the same. It would add alot more fun to the game and truly reward the better coach's.

Well maybe a reason not to do it is to keep things realistic. This league is big on that, as you can tell by the playoff system

Joe · 12-10-2005, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny93g

I picked Notre Dame cuz their my favourite team. Without the prestige the Irish have, then they basically are Joe Blow University. Not as fun to me

I thought I was reading in another thread that you were an Indiana fan?

Johnny93g · 12-10-2005, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by George W Bush

I thought I was reading in another thread that you were an Indiana fan?

Indiana Hoosiers basketball
Notre Dame footballl

Dont ask why, i really dont know

st.cronin · 12-10-2005, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by George W Bush

I thought I was reading in another thread that you were an Indiana fan?

Probably Indiana hoops, since he's a fan of championships.

Joe · 12-10-2005, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny93g

Indiana Hoosiers basketball
Notre Dame footballl

Dont ask why, i really dont know

Ahh, pick the sports that they are good at.

Havok · 12-10-2005, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by George W Bush

Ahh, pick the sports that they are good at.

probally likes the Pats and the Spurs aswell.

Anthony · 12-10-2005, 10:27 PM

so you mean the only reason why a certain guy gets to have a high prestige team is cuz he might've claimed that team early? good teams can make weak players better. having a team like Kentucky can handcuff good players (at least for a significant amount of time).

what happened to voting and democracy? if this is "cartman's league" i'm less inclined to participate in this league. cartman is free to run his own league any way he likes. i want an opportunity to run a team in MP and not have any built-in disadvantages handcuff me. this is bs.

Johnny93g · 12-10-2005, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Havok

probally likes the Pats and the Spurs aswell.

Explain the Dolphins and the Leafs then

The probable reason is that Indiana basketball and Notre Dame football got broadcast alot in Canada over the years. Ive never witnessed either team win a title.

Johnny93g · 12-10-2005, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

so you mean the only reason why a certain guy gets to have a high prestige team is cuz he might've claimed that team early? good teams can make weak players better. having a team like Kentucky can handcuff good players (at least for a significant amount of time).

what happened to voting and democracy? if this is "cartman's league" i'm less inclined to participate in this league. cartman is free to run his own league any way he likes. i want an opportunity to run a team in MP and not have any built-in disadvantages handcuff me. this is bs.

Noone is making you join, if you dont like it, don't join, im sure there will be a few leagues

Celeval · 12-10-2005, 10:29 PM

I'm glad we're keeping it - I prefer the realistic start of things. That being said as Army - so I'll be 2-9, 3-8 for at least a decade. :-)

duckman · 12-10-2005, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Celeval

I'm glad we're keeping it - I prefer the realistic start of things. That being said as Army - so I'll be 2-9, 3-8 for at least a decade. :-)

Just like I'll be the personal bitch for Big XII powers Oklahoma and Texas.

Havok · 12-10-2005, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny93g

Explain the Dolphins and the Leafs then

The probable reason is that Indiana basketball and Notre Dame football got broadcast alot in Canada over the years. Ive never witnessed either team win a title.

was just teasing ya man.... i should have thrown a smiley in there i guess.

Johnny93g · 12-10-2005, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Havok

was just teasing ya man.... i should have thrown a smiley in there i guess.

My bro is a 49er's fan, a Bulls fan, and a Duke fan....imagine living with that

vex · 12-10-2005, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny93g

My bro is a 49er's fan, a Bulls fan, and a Duke fan....imagine living with that

Least he's had some bad years

Anthony · 12-10-2005, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny93g

Indiana Hoosiers basketball
Notre Dame footballl

Dont ask why, i really dont know

something tells me you like the Yankees, too.

Johnny93g · 12-10-2005, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

something tells me you like the Yankees, too.

Jays fan, hate the yankees

Anthony · 12-10-2005, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny93g

Noone is making you join, if you dont like it, don't join, im sure there will be a few leagues

sure, i'll keep Kentucky. as soon as i see a better league form - say, like one that wants to set up a system of all members voting on issues and allowing everyone to start off on the same competitive foot - i'll just mosey on to that one.

duckman · 12-10-2005, 10:56 PM

Will the commish be able to choose which teams get the at-large bids? It would be cool to have a 12 member selection committee that chooses which teams get the spots at the end of the regular season. The members would get rotated on a yearly basis to keep it fair.

cartman · 12-10-2005, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

sure, i'll keep Kentucky. as soon as i see a better league form - say, like one that wants to set up a system of all members voting on issues and allowing everyone to start off on the same competitive foot - i'll just mosey on to that one.

Thank you, HA, for showing an example of the kind of coach I wouldn't like to see in the league.

I've never said people won't have input in the league. But you have to set a baseline config to build off of, and that's what the initial form is going to be: a playoff system, with initial prestige levels generated by the game. I will be seeking league commisioners to head up the different conferences, and if possible, the 5 at-large teams will be chosen by the coaches. Other items as they arise will be put to a vote as much as possible. But any time you get more than 5 people involved, you can never make everyone happy, and with 80+ coaches, it is an impossibility.

I'm not looking for coaches to be placeholder, just so we can say we have a fully human coached league. I want coaches who are going to be involved in the league. I'm looking for coaches who are truly interested in getting the maximum performance out of the school they are leading, and not just treading water to try and keep their aura of a "fucking elitist".

Anthony · 12-10-2005, 11:29 PM

i'll pass. this isn't the league i'm looking for. good luck.

sovereignstar · 12-10-2005, 11:32 PM

*the world stops right in mid-fucking air*

Desmond · 12-10-2005, 11:33 PM

It's true, I just fell over. Can't be no other reason.

WrongWay · 12-10-2005, 11:58 PM

Q: Do undergrads turn pro in this game?

sovereignstar · 12-11-2005, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by WrongWay

Q: Do undergrads turn pro in this game?

You've got the option in the league setup screen.

cthomer5000 · 12-11-2005, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by sovereignstar

You've got the option in the league setup screen.

making this a "yes" is the least we can do to give the lower-tier teams some equal footing.

vex · 12-11-2005, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by cthomer5000

making this a "yes" is the least we can do to give the lower-tier teams some equal footing.

I could care less about making things equal for the most part, but I think this is a very important option that needs to be turned on.

WrongWay · 12-11-2005, 12:24 AM

Is there a post here that talks about the League setup? What will be on and what will be off?

vex · 12-11-2005, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by WrongWay

Is there a post here that talks about the League setup? What will be on and what will be off?

Post 1 says a bit.

And it looks like PackersFanatic is already out

:

"You will have to own the game in order to participate."

cody8200 · 12-11-2005, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny93g

Explain the Dolphins and the Leafs then

The probable reason is that Indiana basketball and Notre Dame football got broadcast alot in Canada over the years. Ive never witnessed either team win a title.

Did they broadcast the Hoosiers kick Kentucky's ass today in Canada? Man that game kicked ass! First time we beat them in 5 years.

Honolulu Blue · 12-11-2005, 01:51 AM

Re: The prestige thing

I think it's a moot issue in the long run. In 5 years, Troy is going to be MY team, run just the way I want it. If they're bad, it will be because of the decisions I have made along the way.

12-10-2005, 09:48 PM	#504
WVUFAN College Starter Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Huntington, WV	Prestige Sounds fair to me as well.

12-10-2005, 09:51 PM	#505
Celeval Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Cary, NC, USA	meh.

12-10-2005, 09:53 PM	#507
Johnny93g College Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Toronto	Sense im Notre Dame, i have a high prestige That being said, i dont like the idea of changing the prestige levels. There's so many owners already, im sure many will drop out before the game starts, and even after a year, so the chance to move up to a better team is there.....If Idaho has a higher prestige then Michigan, i think thats a problem... just my 2 cents __________________ FOOL- Toronto Marlboros FOOL Classic Champions 2073, 2078, 2079, 2114, 2116, 2117, 2129, 2152, 2155, 2169, 2192 46 35 FOOL H- New York Giants World Champions 1914, 1928 BBCF: Notre Dame TML

12-10-2005, 10:02 PM	#512
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	Well, I can state for a fact that there will not be any manual manipulation of the prestige levels. They will be whatever they are when the initial file is created. If HA did have Miami, he never would have brought this idea up. __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

12-10-2005, 10:14 PM	#516
WVUFAN College Starter Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Huntington, WV	Well .. If you picked a team BECAUSE it had a higher prestige, one could make the argument that you sorta deserve to be taken a peg down -- sorta like playing Madden as the Patriots not because you like the Pats, but because they're the best team in the game. Same with this. You pick a team because you like the team, not because they're automatically gonna win the Big 10, or you pick a team for the challenge. Either way, an equality of prestige becomes more of a test of coach/GM skill rather than the fact that you had a good team to begin with. Again, in my opinion, even people with good teams shouldn't have an issue with it, because despite the prestige, you'll still get to play with your favorite team. If you picked a team because they were the best "team" on the list, you're a munchkin. (RPG term for a powergamer) Either way, looking forward to playing in the league! Go Cincinatti! (See, I spelled it correctly this time!) - Eric EDIT: After I wrote this, I see that Cartman made his ruling. I think some of my points are still valid, so I didn't delete everything. :-) Last edited by WVUFAN : 12-10-2005 at 10:17 PM.

12-10-2005, 09:46 PM	#501
Anthony Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Astoria, NY, USA	i'm in favor of balancing out the prestige levels. i don't see a reason why a certain group of people get to have the best teams and the rest get the shit teams. i don't like built-in advantages, gives me less to makes excuses about when i fail. i'm glad this game can be customizable like this. i love fully editable games.

12-10-2005, 09:48 PM	#503
vex Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tulsa	Well, the commish does have Texas, so he might disagree with this idea, as do my Ducks

12-10-2005, 10:08 PM	#514
Joe Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Minneapolis	well thats good news for the people who are bad at these type of games and got a good team

12-10-2005, 10:09 PM	#515
sovereignstar Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004	Cartman is surely a take charge kind of guy, isn't he?

12-10-2005, 10:27 PM	#527
Anthony Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Astoria, NY, USA	so you mean the only reason why a certain guy gets to have a high prestige team is cuz he might've claimed that team early? good teams can make weak players better. having a team like Kentucky can handcuff good players (at least for a significant amount of time). what happened to voting and democracy? if this is "cartman's league" i'm less inclined to participate in this league. cartman is free to run his own league any way he likes. i want an opportunity to run a team in MP and not have any built-in disadvantages handcuff me. this is bs.

12-10-2005, 10:29 PM	#530
Celeval Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Cary, NC, USA	I'm glad we're keeping it - I prefer the realistic start of things. That being said as Army - so I'll be 2-9, 3-8 for at least a decade. :-)

12-10-2005, 11:29 PM	#540
Anthony Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Astoria, NY, USA	i'll pass. this isn't the league i'm looking for. good luck.

12-10-2005, 11:32 PM	#541
sovereignstar Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004	the world stops right in mid-fucking air

12-10-2005, 11:33 PM	#542
Desmond Banned Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: The Hatch	It's true, I just fell over. Can't be no other reason.

12-10-2005, 11:58 PM	#543
WrongWay Banned Join Date: Jan 2005	Q: Do undergrads turn pro in this game?

12-11-2005, 12:24 AM	#547
WrongWay Banned Join Date: Jan 2005	Is there a post here that talks about the League setup? What will be on and what will be off?

12-11-2005, 01:51 AM	#550
Honolulu Blue Dynasty Boy Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Michigan	Re: The prestige thing I think it's a moot issue in the long run. In 5 years, Troy is going to be MY team, run just the way I want it. If they're bad, it will be because of the decisions I have made along the way.

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