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Party One: Alan(first vote on w), bearcat, spleen, desmond(all in order of votes)...thats a fairly nice looking group for a wolf Party Two: Raiders, Penny (look like they defend a villager, and if king is a wolf they look even safer later) Party Three: Schmidty, Swaggs, Kwhit(all very quiet day ones...id be willing to bet a lot of money one is bad)
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02-12-2006, 09:15 AM | #502 | |
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02-12-2006, 09:23 AM | #503 |
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dola, above comment has half tongue in cheek...
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dola, this was when we still worked from the assumption that the jail was only a jail and not a spot where we someone went until their lynch death actually took place.
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double dola, i am in pretty much the same boat as blade and hoops with very little as far as an idea of what to do during our next day. I had absolutely nothing on day one, so i just went with my vengance vote for alan, and never saw a reason to change it....now i have to come up with something different for day 2, hope we had a witness or the seer got a hit to give us some help.
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02-12-2006, 10:09 AM | #508 | |
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Not exactly sure how this implicates me in any way. I stated that it had turned into a two horse race and I wasn't comfortable voting for Mr. W because he has proven valuable in WW games past. I felt that it would have been a shame to the survivors to lose him on day one, if in fact, he was a survivor--which it seems he turned out to be.
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I am assuming there are some people who haven't hopped in yet because of weekend committments. There might be someone who saw something last night that can help give us direction, but my guess is if we have a seer type person, they would be foolish to just come out and say even if they caught a bad guy. They likely will try to see who else they can snag. So unless someone with a one time ability got something last night, I am assuming we won't have much to go on for today.
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I see votes 181 & 182, back to back Bearcat and spleen suddenly put Mr. W in danger. (50 posts and several votes after the original Mr. W vote) 20 posts later, 208 & 210 suddenly Schmidty and swaggs almost back to back put Blade in jeopardy of becoming a 2 person race. Right after that at 213 King jumps on the Raiders bandwagon with Blade, to tie the vote up with Blade. Around this point is when Blade comes out with the accusation that he was trying to trap someone and points a finger at King instead. 217, 235, 241 and 242 we see fall out from Blade's accusation of King, and the race goes from being Mr. W vs Blade vs Raiders vs Alan T to being Mr.W vs king tied up 4 - 4 268 king moves his vote to Mr. w for self preservation 276 pennyweis re-ties it up at 5 each with a vote on king. 281 Hoops unties it by moving his vote back off of king to Mr.W giving him a 2 vote lead 288 mckerney basically puts it out of reach without last minute vote switching by jumping on and clinching the deal at 7-4 at that point. So if this was villager vs villager , then we probably don't learn alot from any of that. The wolves would have the luxury of knowing it was villager vs villager, not panic and just throw votes wherever they felt. Anyhows, this is as best i can see the hilights of Day 1's voting. I purposely did not include people's reasons for their votes, but did include their vote numbers if you wish to go back to look. |
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1. duh 2. Probably spread out, especially if King is a villager. See #1. Even if he's not, there was no risk of leaving a vote on him. 3. If King is an Other, I would not be surpised to see at least one vote on him from the first day being from another Other. |
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Blade, in regards to #502, I had asked you about Pennywise earlier, not said that I didn't notice it.
You commented that the votes for King didn't feel like a bandwagon from you, me, Raiders, and Mr. W. But when you made that comment you didn't mention Pennywise, who was the 5th vote there and I had asked you about him. I mentioned this in Post #405. Quote:
I think you mis-read this post, based on your comments in #502. I did say that I was dense on MrW indicating he was a special, but did not have anything about missing Penny's vote. |
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Right now my biggest suspect is penny. He is the one that tied me back up with Mr. W late in day. I know it's not much to go on, but from what I sense everyone else has little or no clue on what is going on either. Hopefully, we can gain some solid info from day 2 and night 2.
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Since Im just bored here watching 14-15 inches of snow fall, I figured I would try to do my own groupings of people with similar acitions. Not really a trust or distrust list as much as figuring out where people fall to narrow it down more in my head.. Group 1: Bearcat and Spleen (others voted for mr. W, but these did seemingly together) Group 2: Raiders Army, Blade, penneyweis (king voters, following Blade's reasoning). Group 3: Hoops, mckerney, Desnudo (late Mr. W voters. Started by the hoops flipflop and then mckerney sinched the deal.) Group 4: Schmidty + Swaggs (the anti-blade faction?) Group 5: Sndvls, Saldana, kwhit, Celeval (voted off the beaten path so to speak. Stayed away from day 1 bandwagons.) |
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this is where I was leaning too. I think also one of the others threw a vote away on someone else not in the 2 person lynch race, yes I realize that also means me. I'll wait to hear what he has to say tomorrow, but as of right now he's going to get my vote. |
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For non voters we had Tanglewood and RPI, anyone else that I missed? RPI very well may be an other, but from him having to drop from the game, I am guessing he had other reasons to not vote, so I would at least give him a little slack until we have a replacement. I do not remember if I have seen Tanglewood say much anything. |
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didnt tangle miss because of the time difference?
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I'm not an anti-blade faction at all. I explained my reasoning. There wasn't anything to go on the first day. There's not much more to go on today either, but I will be choosing more carefully this vote.
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Voting for King doesn't implicate you in any way, anymore than any other first day vote. But ... 1.) Do you think that all of the "others" had their votes on Mr.W? 2.) If there was a two-horse race developing (even if it involved one of their own) do you think that one of the votes on King would have been from an other? The list of people with votes on King included Mr W (not an other), Blade, Raiders Army, and you. I'm all for hearing why we should look harder at either one of them than you, although I'm not asking in any way for a role reveal. And as of right now it doesn't sound like I'm the only person who was thinking in this direction. But no one has translated this into a vote so far. |
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VOTE PENNYWISESB
Does that help hoops?
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I Dont have a problem with the pennywise concept, he has always been excellent at hiding in the shadows, but i am gonna hold off on my vote until tomorrow, still hoping for some insight from one of our special role players. (note: not asking for a role reveal, i like subtle hints)
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valid point, but i really dont want to fall too far behind. if we assume that we started with 4 others and 17 survivors, then we are already down to 4 to 15...if we lynch another survivor today and then they kill another one of us at night, we are down to 4 to 13....odds are way in their favor at that point, so i really think tomorrow night is a very important vote for us...we need to get an other. |
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Blade, it helps a great deal if Pennywise is an other. If not, then ... not so much.
Seriously, perhaps getting the ball rolling on votes will lead him to engage a little more in the discussion. |
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I'm sure the others tried to spread their votes around. Most votes were on either king or Mr. W, but there were also votes on other players. Its pretty hard to analyze first day voting patterns because its so easy to hide votes. If you're asking me to draw attention to one of the players who voted for King, I don't have anything solid. For some reason in these games I always get suspicious of Blade, but I think thats mostly his playing style since he always seems to turn out good. RA is another story. I know its early, but he seems to be tip-toeing alittle bit in this game. He's given character analysis when its needed, but hasn't really starting throwing his weight in one direction or the other. To be honest, I'm pretty lost at this point as far as being able to get a read on anyone. Plus, with the lack of some players' activity, its making it even harder to try to figure out who's who.
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I just got back on...I have a lot of shovelling to do since it just stopped snowing, BTW
Correct me hoops, but a vote tonight won't tinker with impressions. I now think guesswork won't work unless I help the team. How many hero-roles are out there? On the positive side, we can guess that there are probably 4 baddies out there, and hopefully we can guess how many "good" roles we have as well. Many the same number? |
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As for raiders, it was raiders and i throwing a fit over mr. w being lynched...the ONLY two really taking a stance...everyone else just voted quietly or just didnt care...im not saying hes good, but he has been by far one of the most sided(picking a side) players in the game. As for me, ive been on a long villager/good side run, and every game i still get voted against on day one(usually schmidty is good for a vote on me...this game is no different). My play style doesnt win many fans, but it works for me. Others have their own styles, and im always suspicious of people like you(quiet ones)...to each his own again. As for today, im trying to stir up conversation. Id rather lynch you then raiders, based on yesterdays play. And since i think a wolf voted for king your a 50/50 odds of being bad in my mind...thats amazing odds
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dola, maybe the same number i mean.
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Kind of like survivor? Clan A or Clan B wins if the entire other Clan gets voted off? Interesting idea, but I don't see it logisitically possible based on what we know. Unless it would happen behind the scenes and then suddenly one day we're told congrats your clan that you did not know you were a part of wins. I think there possibly could be some other win scenerio based on what Ardent said, but right now I'm guessing its still a basic us vs select few others. |
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What makes you so sure there must have been an "other" vote on King? There could have been as many as 2 "other" votes on W and two "others" spread out in various places. All I know at this point is that Mr. W was a survivor (someone who I voted to save), and so am I. Other than those two facts, I don't really know too much else. By the way, it seems as though there are now at least 3-4 people "suspicious" of me now, so beware of a bandwagon since thats exactly what you are stiring up Blade.
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Looking at you, i see this(if wolf)...you defend a villager, not apart of the lynch vote, and cast a tie vote...all solid villager moves...making key villager moves is suspicious(odd how that works)...and if king is bad it looks even better later.
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so someone help me here, in the show you mean 2 different airplanes crashed and had 2 set of survivors that ended up meeting on a deserted island?
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I wonder if I am cut out for WW. You guys have my head spinning with all of this information. Sheesh.
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Two camps from the same crash - for lack of better terms, the middle of the aircraft and the tail of the aircraft.
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Got very quiet here ...
I'll hit on a couple of topics here: 1.) I have zero reason to believe this game is anything other than survivors (one camp) versus others from my PM. I understand that some games involve hidden abilities that are not part of the initial PM (seeing as how I did that last game) but I would expect to know if I'm a member of some kind of faction. 2.) Spleen, most of the WW games involve taking a critical look at information and trying to determine who is legitimately trying to help and who is trying to steer the group. Hopefully you are having some measure of fun even if it is confusing right now. I think a lot of experienced players (me included) are having a hard time so far this game figuring out which way to go. 3.) Raiders, a vote tonight counts for lynch tomorrow. I think people will react to votes in some way, shape, or form. Particularly the accused ... this is not me trying to get anyone to cast a vote they are not ready to make, but if people are waiting for some kind of revelation it may not be forthcoming. 4.) Also, Raiders asked about how many roles are out there? Well, it seems like we lost two named characters up to this point but that doesn't necessarily imply that we lost two survivors with assigned roles. If we did, then this was a brutal first day. But I also think it is possible that we all have identities that correspond to characters on the show - we just don't learn which ones unless we have a special (or until we die). That is strictly a theory, and one that should be measurable over the next 1-2 days just like the lynch/"die in jail" conversation. |
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PackerFanatic has agreed to step in for RPI. For game purposes, consider everything RPI contributed PackerFanatic.
Thank you. By the way, I'm glad you're all getting a kick out of the lack of information.
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There's definitely a limit on how many roles can be in the game without unbalancing the sides. I think there's also a limit to role capabilities. Meaning that no matter the scenario, there's a basic set of roles when you boil it down. Good: Seer Bodyguard Night wanderer Doctor Duke Bad: Anti-seer Cloaker Brutal Converter Both: Assassin Tie Breaker |
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Very happy to be in the game, I am not even going to try and catch up on things because it would take me forever. But I kinda got the gist for ardent, so I will do my best as we continue along. Good luck all! (Those others have gotta go)
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