2009 NCAA Tournament Thread - Page 11

Karlifornia · 03-20-2009, 01:31 PM

LOL..I think Tennessee should change their nickname to CSUN's "Matadors" after they vacated the lane like that.

Dr. Sak · 03-20-2009, 01:31 PM

Wow back to back clutch shots in the UT/OK St game.

Lathum · 03-20-2009, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015

Go Tennessee!

Go Utah St!!

I need the total opposite

Lathum · 03-20-2009, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Karlifornia

LOL..I think Tennessee should change their nickname to CSUN's "Matadors" after they vacated the lane like that.

nice

miami_fan · 03-20-2009, 01:31 PM

Unbelievable drive

JonInMiddleGA · 03-20-2009, 01:32 PM

And that was the Vols best defender (Tabb) he blew past.

Lathum · 03-20-2009, 01:32 PM

Marquette is celebrating a bit to early

spleen1015 · 03-20-2009, 01:32 PM

Damn it. I'm gonna lose both of those games. SOB!

Karlifornia · 03-20-2009, 01:32 PM

Come on, Utah State...don't do this to me.

Lathum · 03-20-2009, 01:33 PM

OK state FTW!

spleen1015 · 03-20-2009, 01:34 PM

BANK FOR THREE! ROFL!

Fuck you Tennessee!

Karlifornia · 03-20-2009, 01:34 PM

Thank god for the glass.

Noop · 03-20-2009, 01:34 PM

Good lawd there have been some great games today. I am freaking nervous watching these games. Cmon Utah State!!!

Dr. Sak · 03-20-2009, 01:34 PM

It was so bad...it's good

Dr. Sak · 03-20-2009, 01:35 PM

I've almost yelled 3 or 4 times at my desk watching these games.

Lathum · 03-20-2009, 01:36 PM

Jesus, Marquette with a less then attractive inbounds pass

spleen1015 · 03-20-2009, 01:36 PM

Well, I had OSU in all but oen of my money brackets... I have Utah St. in all of them though. Marquette is supposed to suck without Dominic James dammit!

JonInMiddleGA · 03-20-2009, 01:37 PM

And the poorly conceived possession puts an appropriate end to the Vols misery. One of the most frustrating teams I've ever followed, every bit on par with any GT team that's ever caused hair pulling.

Lowest fracking collective basketball IQ of any group I've seen at the high school level or higher, worst collective concentration of any group I've seen since elementary school. I believe the gross underachievement calls the coaching skill (not the recruiting skill) of Bruce Pearl into legitimate question and even moreso calls into question his ability to recruit basketball players instead of athletes that need to be coached up, which he clearly isn't capable of doing with the current staff. Another season like this one & the bloom will be entirely off of him in Knoxville, and he might actually be smart to take any equivalent offers he might get in the off-season.

He desperately needs to find some players who are interested in leading the lead in something other than tattoos and are willing to work at basketball to earn their free ride instead of playing at it like they're back on the block.

Karlifornia · 03-20-2009, 01:38 PM

shit...Wilkinson had the look.

spleen1015 · 03-20-2009, 01:38 PM

Sigh..

Exciting to watch. That's what matters.

Noop · 03-20-2009, 01:38 PM

I suck with the seeds 7-10... I have gotten everyone of them wrong.

Lathum · 03-20-2009, 01:39 PM

make a F'n free throw!!

Karlifornia · 03-20-2009, 01:40 PM

You're down 4 points with 5 seconds left. You can't inbound it to a guy standing right in front of you. You need to throw it at least to mid-court....

RainMaker · 03-20-2009, 01:40 PM

Still no real upsets this year.

gstelmack · 03-20-2009, 01:42 PM

Sigh, tried for the NDST upset bid over Kansas, but I got the other 2 right.

Radii · 03-20-2009, 01:42 PM

great start to the day, too bad NDSU and Utah State couldn't pull it out in the end.

spleen1015 · 03-20-2009, 01:43 PM

There is someone in my office pool 20 for 20 right now. Bastard.

3 others at 19 for 20.

Lathum · 03-20-2009, 01:43 PM

For those of you who haven't seen any of Arizona state this year try and catch some oh this game. They have 2 fantastic players in Jeff Pendergraph and James Harden.

spleen1015 · 03-20-2009, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

For those of you who haven't seen any of Arizona state this year try and catch some oh this game. They have 2 fantastic players in Jeff Pendergraph and James Harden.

But they're going to lose, right?

Lathum · 03-20-2009, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015

There is someone in my office pool 20 for 20 right now. Bastard.

3 others at 19 for 20.

I'm 19/20 in the gotti pool and 18/20 and in the lead at my wifes office pool

Lathum · 03-20-2009, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015

But they're going to lose, right?

It's actualy a tough matchup, Christmas is a great player

bronconick · 03-20-2009, 01:45 PM

The lack of 1st round upsets last tournament and so far this tournament is really starting to suck. The only lower seeds that win are mediocre major conference teams anyway. Not exactly Cinderella material.

PilotMan · 03-20-2009, 01:48 PM

I went to NDSU, so needless to say, I was on edge today. A good game, the team played well, just not deep or well rounded enough today. Still, they shouldnt be upset about the final score of the game.

JonInMiddleGA · 03-20-2009, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

Still no real upsets this year.

I'd say WKU over Illinois is a solid upset, just not a spectacular one. And still bigger than Utah State over Marquette would have been.

One of the problems with trying to find upsets this year is that while the higher seeds may not be as good as they've been in the past, neither are some of the lower seeds.

Karlifornia · 03-20-2009, 01:54 PM

The lack of upsets makes for better games later on, if you want to look at it optimistically.

molson · 03-20-2009, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Karlifornia

The lack of upsets makes for better games later on, if you want to look at it optimistically.

It also provides more opportunities for upsets later, like 4/5 v. 1,

Lathum · 03-20-2009, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Karlifornia

The lack of upsets makes for better games later on, if you want to look at it optimistically.

my exact thoughts

Philliesfan980 · 03-20-2009, 01:56 PM

Let's go Temple! Christmas might be one of the best spot up shooters in College basketball. He should have a nice NBA career off the bench.

SnDvls · 03-20-2009, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Philliesfan980

Let's go Temple! Christmas might be one of the best spot up shooters in College basketball. He should have a nice NBA career off the bench.

Sorry but I hope ASU cancels Christmas this year

JonInMiddleGA · 03-20-2009, 02:03 PM

Of course the lack of upsets tends to support the seeding job done by selection committee and Lord only knows we can't have that happening.

Young Drachma · 03-20-2009, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bronconick

The lack of 1st round upsets last tournament and so far this tournament is really starting to suck. The only lower seeds that win are mediocre major conference teams anyway. Not exactly Cinderella material.

This isn't an accident. The NCAA has to keep the machine fed.

Lathum · 03-20-2009, 02:07 PM

I have a feeling Dayton will be the first upset of the day

Radii · 03-20-2009, 02:19 PM

After the conversation on seeding and the pod system and teams closer to home I looked through 15 years of tournament history just out of curiosity to see if there were way less upsets since the pod system went into place etc. Looking over the tourneys from 1992 to 1998 and 2002(when the pod system started) to 2008, the numbers were strikingly similar.

In an average year there are right about 5 teams seeded 10 or lower that win first round games. If you don't consider 10 vs 7 games as noteworthy upsets, then we're down to a little under 4 11 seeded or lower upsets per year. In some years there were as many as 8(usually in those years 3 10 seeds win + an extra 12 or whatever) and in two years there were only 3 upsets in the first round, one in the 90s, one this decade, each of them including at least one 10 seed in that count.

So yeah, a 12 seed and a 10 seed winning on day one and that's it might be a little boring, but its just about average.

And of course, we're talking about 24 games in question(10-15 seeds, since 16v1 isn't happening). The difference between 3/24 and 5/24 in any given year is, to put it mildly, not even close to statistically noteworthy. Boring, yes, but not noteworthy IMO

... just trying to head off conspiracy theories with a little reason!

RainMaker · 03-20-2009, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

I'd say WKU over Illinois is a solid upset, just not a spectacular one. And still bigger than Utah State over Marquette would have been.

One of the problems with trying to find upsets this year is that while the higher seeds may not be as good as they've been in the past, neither are some of the lower seeds.

I watch a lot of Big 10 and Illinois was not that good. Plus they were missing Frazier which essentially turned them into a NIT squad. I don't think it was much of an upset.

JonInMiddleGA · 03-20-2009, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

I watch a lot of Big 10 and Illinois was not that good. Plus they were missing Frazier which essentially turned them into a NIT squad. I don't think it was much of an upset.

I'd say it's still an upset, just one that's less surprising under the circumstances.

But I'm not sure what else you're going to get this year. I mean, do you really expect Binghamton to beat Duke?

sterlingice · 03-20-2009, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015

There is someone in my office pool 20 for 20 right now. Bastard.

3 others at 19 for 20.

It's a fairly chalky year. Anyone worked up about their bracket on day 1 or 2 hasn't done this too often. Once you start losing E8 teams, call me

SI

RainMaker · 03-20-2009, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

I'd say it's still an upset, just one that's less surprising under the circumstances.

But I'm not sure what else you're going to get this year. I mean, do you really expect Binghamton to beat Duke?

I guess it just feels light on upsets because most brackets are still well intact. Seems every year we lose an Elite 8 or Final Four team in the first round. I haven't even lost a Sweet 16 school yet.

RainMaker · 03-20-2009, 02:46 PM

Cornell up on Mizzou and ETSU hanging with Pitt near the half. Maybe it was just saving up for this afternoon.

Lathum · 03-20-2009, 02:53 PM

If I was a college basketball coach I would make my whole team run 10 laps everytime a player of mine fouled someone going to the rim and the opposing player makes the basket.

Radii · 03-20-2009, 03:00 PM

I've got Dayton on TV and Mizzou on mmod... has anyone been watching the Pitt game? What's going on there?

03-20-2009, 01:31 PM	#501
Karlifornia Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: San Jose, CA	LOL..I think Tennessee should change their nickname to CSUN's "Matadors" after they vacated the lane like that. __________________ Look into the mind of a crazy man (NSFW) http://www.whitepowerupdate.wordpress.com

03-20-2009, 01:31 PM	#505
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	Unbelievable drive __________________ "The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946

03-20-2009, 01:32 PM	#506
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	And that was the Vols best defender (Tabb) he blew past. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

03-20-2009, 01:32 PM	#509
Karlifornia Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: San Jose, CA	Come on, Utah State...don't do this to me. __________________ Look into the mind of a crazy man (NSFW) http://www.whitepowerupdate.wordpress.com

03-20-2009, 01:34 PM	#512
Karlifornia Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: San Jose, CA	Thank god for the glass. __________________ Look into the mind of a crazy man (NSFW) http://www.whitepowerupdate.wordpress.com

03-20-2009, 01:31 PM	#502
Dr. Sak Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Stuck in Yinzerville, PA	Wow back to back clutch shots in the UT/OK St game.

03-20-2009, 01:32 PM	#507
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Marquette is celebrating a bit to early

03-20-2009, 01:32 PM	#508
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	Damn it. I'm gonna lose both of those games. SOB!

03-20-2009, 01:33 PM	#510
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	OK state FTW!

03-20-2009, 01:34 PM	#511
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	BANK FOR THREE! ROFL! Fuck you Tennessee!

03-20-2009, 01:34 PM	#513
Noop Bonafide Seminole Fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Miami	Good lawd there have been some great games today. I am freaking nervous watching these games. Cmon Utah State!!! __________________ Subby's favorite woman hater.

03-20-2009, 01:34 PM	#514
Dr. Sak Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Stuck in Yinzerville, PA	It was so bad...it's good

03-20-2009, 01:35 PM	#515
Dr. Sak Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Stuck in Yinzerville, PA	I've almost yelled 3 or 4 times at my desk watching these games.

03-20-2009, 01:36 PM	#516
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Jesus, Marquette with a less then attractive inbounds pass

03-20-2009, 01:36 PM	#517
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	Well, I had OSU in all but oen of my money brackets... I have Utah St. in all of them though. Marquette is supposed to suck without Dominic James dammit!

03-20-2009, 01:37 PM	#518
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	And the poorly conceived possession puts an appropriate end to the Vols misery. One of the most frustrating teams I've ever followed, every bit on par with any GT team that's ever caused hair pulling. Lowest fracking collective basketball IQ of any group I've seen at the high school level or higher, worst collective concentration of any group I've seen since elementary school. I believe the gross underachievement calls the coaching skill (not the recruiting skill) of Bruce Pearl into legitimate question and even moreso calls into question his ability to recruit basketball players instead of athletes that need to be coached up, which he clearly isn't capable of doing with the current staff. Another season like this one & the bloom will be entirely off of him in Knoxville, and he might actually be smart to take any equivalent offers he might get in the off-season. He desperately needs to find some players who are interested in leading the lead in something other than tattoos and are willing to work at basketball to earn their free ride instead of playing at it like they're back on the block. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis Last edited by JonInMiddleGA : 03-20-2009 at 01:38 PM.

03-20-2009, 01:38 PM	#519
Karlifornia Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: San Jose, CA	shit...Wilkinson had the look. __________________ Look into the mind of a crazy man (NSFW) http://www.whitepowerupdate.wordpress.com

03-20-2009, 01:38 PM	#520
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	Sigh.. Exciting to watch. That's what matters.

03-20-2009, 01:38 PM	#521
Noop Bonafide Seminole Fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Miami	I suck with the seeds 7-10... I have gotten everyone of them wrong. __________________ Subby's favorite woman hater.

03-20-2009, 01:39 PM	#522
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	make a F'n free throw!!

03-20-2009, 01:40 PM	#523
Karlifornia Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: San Jose, CA	You're down 4 points with 5 seconds left. You can't inbound it to a guy standing right in front of you. You need to throw it at least to mid-court.... __________________ Look into the mind of a crazy man (NSFW) http://www.whitepowerupdate.wordpress.com

03-20-2009, 01:40 PM	#524
RainMaker General Manager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	Still no real upsets this year.

03-20-2009, 01:42 PM	#525
gstelmack Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cary, NC	Sigh, tried for the NDST upset bid over Kansas, but I got the other 2 right. __________________ -- Greg -- Author of various FOF utilities

03-20-2009, 01:42 PM	#526
Radii Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	great start to the day, too bad NDSU and Utah State couldn't pull it out in the end.

03-20-2009, 01:43 PM	#527
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	There is someone in my office pool 20 for 20 right now. Bastard. 3 others at 19 for 20. Last edited by spleen1015 : 03-20-2009 at 01:43 PM.

03-20-2009, 01:43 PM	#528
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	For those of you who haven't seen any of Arizona state this year try and catch some oh this game. They have 2 fantastic players in Jeff Pendergraph and James Harden.

03-20-2009, 01:45 PM	#532
bronconick College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kalamazoo, MI	The lack of 1st round upsets last tournament and so far this tournament is really starting to suck. The only lower seeds that win are mediocre major conference teams anyway. Not exactly Cinderella material.

03-20-2009, 01:48 PM	#533
PilotMan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seven miles up	I went to NDSU, so needless to say, I was on edge today. A good game, the team played well, just not deep or well rounded enough today. Still, they shouldnt be upset about the final score of the game. __________________ He's just like if Snow White was competitive, horny, and capable of beating the shit out of anyone that called her Pops. Like Steam? Join the FOFC Steam group here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/FOFConSteam

03-20-2009, 01:54 PM	#535
Karlifornia Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: San Jose, CA	The lack of upsets makes for better games later on, if you want to look at it optimistically. __________________ Look into the mind of a crazy man (NSFW) http://www.whitepowerupdate.wordpress.com

03-20-2009, 01:56 PM	#538
Philliesfan980 Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Exton, PA	Let's go Temple! Christmas might be one of the best spot up shooters in College basketball. He should have a nice NBA career off the bench.

03-20-2009, 02:03 PM	#540
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Of course the lack of upsets tends to support the seeding job done by selection committee and Lord only knows we can't have that happening. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

03-20-2009, 02:07 PM	#542
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I have a feeling Dayton will be the first upset of the day

03-20-2009, 02:19 PM	#543
Radii Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	After the conversation on seeding and the pod system and teams closer to home I looked through 15 years of tournament history just out of curiosity to see if there were way less upsets since the pod system went into place etc. Looking over the tourneys from 1992 to 1998 and 2002(when the pod system started) to 2008, the numbers were strikingly similar. In an average year there are right about 5 teams seeded 10 or lower that win first round games. If you don't consider 10 vs 7 games as noteworthy upsets, then we're down to a little under 4 11 seeded or lower upsets per year. In some years there were as many as 8(usually in those years 3 10 seeds win + an extra 12 or whatever) and in two years there were only 3 upsets in the first round, one in the 90s, one this decade, each of them including at least one 10 seed in that count. So yeah, a 12 seed and a 10 seed winning on day one and that's it might be a little boring, but its just about average. And of course, we're talking about 24 games in question(10-15 seeds, since 16v1 isn't happening). The difference between 3/24 and 5/24 in any given year is, to put it mildly, not even close to statistically noteworthy. Boring, yes, but not noteworthy IMO ... just trying to head off conspiracy theories with a little reason!

03-20-2009, 02:46 PM	#548
RainMaker General Manager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	Cornell up on Mizzou and ETSU hanging with Pitt near the half. Maybe it was just saving up for this afternoon.

03-20-2009, 02:53 PM	#549
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	If I was a college basketball coach I would make my whole team run 10 laps everytime a player of mine fouled someone going to the rim and the opposing player makes the basket.